Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] The Great Licensing Discussion

2011-12-20 Thread John Hasler
I'm not a current contributor but as user and potential contributor I'd
prefer to see the project stay with GPLv2 and away from GPLv3.  BSD is
ok but I prefer GPLv2 (or LGPL, or GPLv2 with stated exceptions).  IMHO
GPLv3 is overreaching (it's patent clauses may constitute copyright
abuse), unduly restrictive, overly complex, and nearly incomprehensible.
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[Ledger-smb-devel] where to save url of vendor/customer website

2011-12-20 Thread herman vierendeels
What would be the best place/way to save the url of vendor/customer website ?

Thanks

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Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] The Great Licensing Discussion

2011-12-20 Thread Chris Travers
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:03 AM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:
 I'm not a current contributor but as user and potential contributor I'd
 prefer to see the project stay with GPLv2 and away from GPLv3.  BSD is
 ok but I prefer GPLv2 (or LGPL, or GPLv2 with stated exceptions).  IMHO
 GPLv3 is overreaching (it's patent clauses may constitute copyright
 abuse), unduly restrictive, overly complex, and nearly incomprehensible.

That more or less sums up my view of the GPL v3.  I would also say
there are a few areas of the GPL v3 I *really* don't like.  These
include the forced compatibility with the AGPL v3 (section 13).  I
also dislike Section 7 paragraph 2 (removal of additional permissions
by non-copyright holders).

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers

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[Ledger-smb-devel] 1.3.10-rc1 out

2011-12-20 Thread Chris Travers
Hi all;

LedgerSMB 1.3.10-rc1 has been released.  The complete changelog is below.

Currently I believe it looks like after this we are moving to a
release every 2 weeks for a couple releases, then we will probably
shift down to monthly releases.  Bug reports and bug fixes are
slowing.

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers


Changelog for 1.3.10
* Fixes for permissions for exchangerate table (Erik H)
* Fixes for POS cashier permissions.  (Chris T)
* More Localization Fixes (Herman V)
* Customer/Vendor Search now shows records without credit accounts (Herman V)
* Better error handling contrib modules not found (Chris T)
* pos.conf.pl no longer overwritten on upgrade (Chris T)
* Fixed multi-currency single payment handling (Erik H / Chris T)
* Fixed New Window not working (Erik H)
* Fixed Pg 9.1 detection in setup.pl (Chris T and Pongracz I)

Chris T is Chris Travers
Erik H is Erik Huelsmann
Herman V is Herman Vierendeels
Pongracz I is Pongracz Istvan

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Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] The Great Licensing Discussion

2011-12-20 Thread Pete Houston
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:03:43AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
 I'm not a current contributor but as user and potential contributor I'd
 prefer to see the project stay with GPLv2 and away from GPLv3.  BSD is
 ok but I prefer GPLv2 (or LGPL, or GPLv2 with stated exceptions).  IMHO
 GPLv3 is overreaching (it's patent clauses may constitute copyright
 abuse), unduly restrictive, overly complex, and nearly incomprehensible.

FWIW, this is also my position. I see nothing wrong with GPLv2 and no
pressing need to move to v3.

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Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] The Great Licensing Discussion

2011-12-20 Thread John Locke
Personally I prefer GPLv2 over GPLv3. I'm somewhat agnostic about GPL vs
BSD -- I do like GPL v2 a lot, and like its mechanism for protecting end
customers -- but I also work on some BSD-licensed projects and have no
qualms about a license switch.

I would agree with your assessment, Chris, about derivative works -- if
you're extending a class, then yes, that would be derivative and need to
carry the GPL, but just talking to an API doesn't count in my book. And
there's lots of cases of web services sample code being released under
entirely different licenses than the code behind the interfaces they
talk to -- both commercial and proprietary. So I think it's entirely
appropriate to create code samples and release them under the BSD license.

I do think it would be confusing for end users to have to deal with
multiple licenses within the code base, though. I think that having
parts of LSMB under GPL with other parts under BSD and the collection
under GPL -- that's way too confusing to have to explain to anybody.

This makes me think that the only reasonable way forward for the project
as a whole is under the GPL. It's fine to release client API libraries
and samples under BSD, but I don't see how you change the license of
anything in the core project without a huge amount of turmoil.


I would think that if that's a direction you would want to go, I would
suggest setting up a foundation to control the copyright of the code,
and have all contributors sign a contributors licensing agreement that
assigns the right to offer additional/changed licensing terms to the
foundation. This way it would at least be possible, when all the legacy
code is no longer in the project. But it strikes me that one reason to
go BSD is to avoid the need for doing a foundation ;-)

Some of my thoughts on the matter, anyway...

Cheers,
John



On 12/20/2011 01:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:03 AM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:
 I'm not a current contributor but as user and potential contributor I'd
 prefer to see the project stay with GPLv2 and away from GPLv3.  BSD is
 ok but I prefer GPLv2 (or LGPL, or GPLv2 with stated exceptions).  IMHO
 GPLv3 is overreaching (it's patent clauses may constitute copyright
 abuse), unduly restrictive, overly complex, and nearly incomprehensible.
 That more or less sums up my view of the GPL v3.  I would also say
 there are a few areas of the GPL v3 I *really* don't like.  These
 include the forced compatibility with the AGPL v3 (section 13).  I
 also dislike Section 7 paragraph 2 (removal of additional permissions
 by non-copyright holders).

 Best Wishes,
 Chris Travers

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