Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] What to do about accidental inclusion of Carp::Always

2014-01-26 Thread herman vierendeels
no harm done by requiring Carp::Always, i suppose

2014-01-26 Chris Travers chris.trav...@gmail.com:
 Hi;

 In 1.4 I have removed hard dependencies on Data::Dumper but have not removed
 it from the list of requirements.  I am finding it seems relatively common
 that Carp::Always gets included by accident. At this point Data::Dumper and
 Carp::Always are mostly used for debugging.

 The question is what we want to do about it.  Do we want to say that these
 two widely available modules are now dependencies?  Or do we want to have
 release tests that ensure they are not included?

 From a support perspective, I am thinking having them as dependencies makes
 a lot of sense.  It makes it very easy to enable stack dumps for error
 messages and perhaps in 1.5 we could even do this as a configuration option.
 It also makes the code a bit more reliable in the sense that if something
 gets missed users don't get internal server errors.

 What do other folk think?

 Best Wishes,
 Chris Travers

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Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] What to do about accidental inclusion of Carp::Always

2014-01-26 Thread John Locke
On 01/25/2014 06:38 PM, Chris Travers wrote:
 Hi;
 From a support perspective, I am thinking having them as dependencies 
 makes a lot of sense.  It makes it very easy to enable stack dumps for 
 error messages and perhaps in 1.5 we could even do this as a 
 configuration option.  It also makes the code a bit more reliable in 
 the sense that if something gets missed users don't get internal 
 server errors.


This sounds like reason enough to require it as a dependency -- 
internal server errors without explanation sound like a terrible user 
experience...

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[Ledger-smb-devel] What to do about accidental inclusion of Carp::Always

2014-01-25 Thread Chris Travers
Hi;

In 1.4 I have removed hard dependencies on Data::Dumper but have not
removed it from the list of requirements.  I am finding it seems relatively
common that Carp::Always gets included by accident. At this point
Data::Dumper and Carp::Always are mostly used for debugging.

The question is what we want to do about it.  Do we want to say that these
two widely available modules are now dependencies?  Or do we want to have
release tests that ensure they are not included?

From a support perspective, I am thinking having them as dependencies makes
a lot of sense.  It makes it very easy to enable stack dumps for error
messages and perhaps in 1.5 we could even do this as a configuration
option.  It also makes the code a bit more reliable in the sense that if
something gets missed users don't get internal server errors.

What do other folk think?

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers

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