Re: [LU] Championship

[Damian WALSH]

Funny enough that's sort of how the aftermath feels like too.

I'm numbly upset but no great passion - all a bit vague really, bit like
the match :)

Damian

Le dim. 26 mai 2024 à 22:25, Graham White via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :

>  "like watching paint dry".
>
>
> Started so positive & on the front foot for most of the first 10, solid &
> determined - and then came the first defensive wobble when they broke down
> our right…
> I hoped that would act as a wake up call but didn’t… Sure enough soon they
> scored while Rodon & Amps stood pointing at each other & Archie
> unfortunately had dropped too far so played Armstrong on…
>
> From that moment on we never really looked like getting into the game
> again.
>
> Too many of our players didn’t believe in it (and that has to be laid on
> Farke) - but the one that did was the first to be replaced which summed
> quite a lot up.
>
> Rutter & Cree were well below par, and should’ve been replaced on the hour
> at least. Gruev & Kamara struggled to get anything going - and not once did
> we see the triangulation play between Kamara, Cree, Rutter & Firps which
> have become a bit of our speciality this season…
>
> And the combination Rutter/Piroe hasn’t worked well ever & won’t work in
> the future either if one of them keeps insisting on not interacting with
> the other. Another thing for DF to sort out.
> Maybe he should let one of them go. There’s no indication that Rutter will
> find his form from before the break & operation again… on his current
> showing he’s a big question mark.
>
> Anyway, thought Dan James did well when he came on, desperately unlucky
> with his effort, and at least we did try hard in the end to force a goal.
>
> Too little too late as the saying goes.
>
> Next season can’t start too soon. Not looking forward to the summer of
> silly season crap but that’s what it is.
>
> Hope and pray for a few good additions and that we don’t lose too many of
> our most influential players. Our squad was never big enough this season so
> additions are needed.
>
> Why not try and find a left back who can defend? Heard that one before?
> Wish list can become long!
>
> Realistically we won’t be able to keep Willy or Cree, but let’s hope
> Archie stays!
>
> /Raffe
>
>
> My iPhone
>
> > On 26 May 2024, at 18:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > There we are. Encapsulates the season. Loads of possession. Shit set
> > pieces. Pathetic shooting.
> >
> > I think the management are happier in the championship, where they can
> win
> > more than they lose, without having to take any risks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Inline images
> >
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Re: [LU] Sunday

[Damian WALSH]

Agree about Bamford, and there's the perennial LB issue :)

But for all that I think that we are talking about reinforcements rather
than surgery.

As for PL speculation after Sunday - I'd suggest we get it all in now
because our track record says that we'll be on full Championship
speculation next week :)

Damian

Le jeu. 23 mai 2024 à 11:03,  a écrit :

> For me, I think it’s hard to see this group surviving in the Premier
> League Damian - some of the group have the potential to play there, but
> we’ll need major investment in all areas if we go up. For example, much as
> I love Bamford, we can’t finish every season with our key forward injured,
> regardless of his ability to hit a cow’s arse with a banjo?
>
> It’ll be nice to be able to engage in Premier League conversations after
> the weekend - just hoping that’ll be the case?
>
>
>
>
> > On 23 May 2024, at 08:22, Damian WALSH 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> Now for the defeatist bit.
> >> If we do lose, I am quite confident that Farke can build a side to
> >> challenge in this division next year, it is what he does
> >
> > For the even more defeatist bit: I'm sure that Kev is right - but I worry
> > that if we don't go up this year then we will lose too many PL standard
> > players this summer and then we would go up next year with a (admittedly
> > good) Championship level squad and poor old Farke would find himself in
> the
> > same position as he was in with Norwich ie going up to come straight back
> > down again.
> >
> > I might be kidding myself but I think our current squad doesn't need any
> > drastic surgery to compete in the PL...
> >
> > Damian
> >
> > Le mer. 22 mai 2024 à 16:36, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> > a écrit :
> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: [LU] Sunday

[Damian WALSH]

>Now for the defeatist bit.
>If we do lose, I am quite confident that Farke can build a side to
>challenge in this division next year, it is what he does

For the even more defeatist bit: I'm sure that Kev is right - but I worry
that if we don't go up this year then we will lose too many PL standard
players this summer and then we would go up next year with a (admittedly
good) Championship level squad and poor old Farke would find himself in the
same position as he was in with Norwich ie going up to come straight back
down again.

I might be kidding myself but I think our current squad doesn't need any
drastic surgery to compete in the PL...

Damian

Le mer. 22 mai 2024 à 16:36, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
a écrit :

>
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[LU] List meet in...

[Damian WALSH]

...Barcares or Perpignan next Satdi (the 11th) before, during and/or after
the Rhinos game?

Anything to take our minds off the football the following day :)

Damian
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Re: [LU] Scared

[Damian WALSH]

I think that Farke has been brilliant and I hope that he long continues to
be so for Leeds United.

But I'm pretty sure that the dropped points these last matches are down to
him and not the players. They are good enough to go (& stay) up but they
need to be let off the leash because they're not good enough to play with
the metaphorical hand tied behind their back. The team has got to move up a
couple of gears and the handbrake has to come off (preferably the other way
round or there'll be a horrible smell of burning) - that's almost certainly
down to the manager ...

BTW I don't want to lose any of the players - I've even warmed to Firpo :)

Damian


Le dim. 14 avr. 2024 à 18:50, John Lee via Leedslist 
a écrit :

> We will lose some/all those named, but of course if they’re not good
> enough to get us out of this league, then so be it!
>
>
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Damian WALSH]

M EDT, Paul Cundell <
> > p...@cundell.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have you been watching the same season as me?
> > "One long slow motion car crash"?
> > We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> > We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> > A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> > A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> > This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
> > could end up on over 100 points.
> > SMFH.
> > Marching On TOGETHER!
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager
> in
> > > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the
> > most
> > > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
> > winger
> > > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> > > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> > > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
> > again
> > > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
> > opportunity
> > > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> > > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves
> set
> > > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> > > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> > > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> > > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> > > terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
> > > defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders
> > were
> > > still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu,
> who
> > > would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather
> than
> > > trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire
> evident.
> > > And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to
> delay
> > > bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was
> he
> > > thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested,
> > and
> > > we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
> > > collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
> > > shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke
> going
> > > up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
> > > managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge
> > that
> > > the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start
> of
> > > the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover.
> And
> > > of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday
> > being
> > > exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
> > > level, packed with current internationals and young talent being
> scouted
> > by
> > > the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's
> > > second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment.
> > > This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends
> > and
> > > family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the
> > > playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable
> > > outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
> > > Cheers!
> > > Sean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH <
> > > damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the
> ball.
> > A
> > > mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)
> > >
> > > If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to
> provoke
> > > something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.
> > >
> > > However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into
> each
> > > other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
> >

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Damian WALSH]

H. I don't know all the ins and outs of the rules - but would we not
have risked FFP sanctions if all those players hadn't been offloaded?

With the possible exception of Tyler Adams I don't think that we've missed
any of them anyway - I can barely (ie "can't")  remember who they all were
anymore... I like our current team a lot more than I liked the team that
finished 22/23 that's for sure.

We may regret like hell the wasted first 5 or 6 games but I think there
were other reasons for that than solely the exit clauses.

As you say MOT :)

Damian



Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 14:49, Paul Cundell  a écrit :

> ...
> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> ...
> Marching On TOGETHER!
> Paul
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Damian WALSH]

Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball. A
mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)

If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.

However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
indeed annoying.

As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch them
do something"...

Damian

Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist 
a écrit :

> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and
> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing
> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I
> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that
> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked
> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a
> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds
> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a high and
> bag a couple soon.
>
> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding
> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back
> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to
> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a
> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for?
>
> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.
>
> I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the play-offs
> are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a great
> season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put
> Blackburn away on Satdi!
>
> MOT
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.
> >
> > Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon
> >
> > My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the
> starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly
> Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the
> loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less movement
> for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the
> things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad players all
> of a sudden.
> >
> > Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu
> >
> > A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.
> >
> > Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu
> >
> > Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to
> go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.
> >
> > We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of
> them will do.
> >
> > Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon
> >
> > Onto Saturday then. We can still do this.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Damian WALSH]

France is the obvious place for him - where most Ligue 1 matches are played
at (it seems) walking pace. I wonder if PSG would still be interested?

Le mer. 3 avr. 2024 à 18:21, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :

>  Isn't this exactly as it was supposed to play out ?
> Before Bielsa, Phillips was hopeless. Bielsa gave him the ideal role where
> his pace wasn't exposed in a unique system. It worked the majority of the
> time but even then he had some stinkers with Bielsa subbing him early (at
> half time once) a few times. He was never going to be nearly good enough
> for City but one good England game against poor opposition at Wembley and a
> few average performances sat next Declan Rice and others in midfield seemed
> to have fooled some people. Pep obviously took one look at him in training
> and decided he wasn't good enough. A good manager ! He played a ridiculous
> amount of football for City over 2 years and the one thing we know about KP
> is that he was always slow to get back to form after absence. So now he's
> thrown on the frontline for the Hammers and he hasn't a chance. Playing as
> an out and out midfielder in the premier league he just stands out as not
> being good enough and he's still not getting the game time because he's
> making mistakes and showing his lack of pace every game. He's so slow and
> he's never going to be good enough.
> Would I have him back at Leeds ? No way., especially if we get promoted.
> The only way back for Philips is for him to accept what he is and drop
> down a league or 2 and try to rebuild his career.
> He's got enough brass though so we shouldn't feel sorry for him.
> The Yorkshire Piroe - not a chance.
>
> On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 at 15:34:21 BST, Simon McNally via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  The transfer rumours page on bbc sport reckoned citeh would want £30m for
> him.
> Seems steep given his lack of game time for two seasons.
> He’s not coped with going from Bielsa, who built the team around him, to
> other coaches who expect him to fit in their style of play.
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Matt via
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:12:11 PM
> To: Leeds List 2010 ; Nick 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin?
>
>
> We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
> £10m+
>
> If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
> Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
> and that's not really Kalvin's position.
>
> Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
> player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.
>
> Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
> year than i will in my life.
>
> Matt
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nick" 
> To: "Leeds List 2010" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
> Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
> Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
> the summer.
> Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
> classes.
> And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
> wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
> I think that ship might have sailed.
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Bristol City 1 Leicester 0

[Damian WALSH]

I nearly wrote something hubristically incorrect.Scrubbed it out just in
time :)

But this really does feel like spring '90 at the moment...

Damian

Le ven. 29 mars 2024 à 16:02, Damian WALSH  a
écrit :

> Start worrying..
>
> Le ven. 29 mars 2024 à 15:57, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :
>
>> Yep , no more games in hand for others now. We’re top and it’s in our own
>> hands.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 29, 2024, 2:23 pm, John Boocock 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bristol City 1 Leicester 0
>>
>> Damage done.
>>
>> Betty
>>
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Re: [LU] Bristol City 1 Leicester 0

[Damian WALSH]

Start worrying..

Le ven. 29 mars 2024 à 15:57, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
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> Yep , no more games in hand for others now. We’re top and it’s in our own
> hands.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024, 2:23 pm, John Boocock  wrote:
>
> Bristol City 1 Leicester 0
>
> Damage done.
>
> Betty
>
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Re: [LU] Short post

[Damian WALSH]

" Gray, so bold and elegant on the ball, ran the game"

From the Guardian

Le jeu. 29 févr. 2024 à 09:56, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
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>
> Archie Gray in midfield.
>
> That is all.
>
> Nick
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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[LU] Fck

[Damian WALSH]

Stan Bowles is dead!

I'm very sorry for him, but me me me me my generation is almost all gone  :0

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Re: [LU] Fox hunting

[Damian WALSH]

Dave - you do indeed make your own luck. All those times when we've
"unluckily" lost when in actual fact there's either been something not
quite right with us (in our heads mostly) or the other side have made more
"luck" than we have (Thessalonika anyone?), but last night the belief and
the will was there - really Leicester can't complain.

This is what they mean when they say that good sides win even when they're
not the best team or they're playing badly.

MOT Damian

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> " Lets go fucking mental "That was incredible,  i didn't think todays fans
> could create an atmosphere like that any more . Heard Leicester fans during
> a lull giving it the " wheres your famous atmosphere " Well they certainly
> found out by the end.  The whole ground rocking for the last 10 minutes and
> post match - to quote DF it was " unbelievable "
> Games like last night make it all worthwhile,  and having turned 65 last
> week, i was like a teenager again,  getting home after midnight and waking
> my wife up by walking into the house still singing.
> The game itself was strange , at half time we were one down, but should
> probably have been in front,  a mistake at a corner let them score but
> Piroe twice, Gnonto and Summerville should all have scored / worked the
> keeper. They were by far the best side ive seen ( apart from us) at ER but
> did not deserve the lead.
> Second half was worse as they kept us at bay , controlled the tempo , amd
> hit us on the break. We rode our luck, an offside goal and two glaring
> misees plus a save by Mes kept us in it .
> Then following great substitutions,  Roberts, James and Bamford , we got a
> foothold and started to believe a bit , backed by a vociferous crowd.
> Then came the last 10 minutes.  A typical Georginio run led to the ball
> falling to Roberts stroking it home.  A chance  of a point.
> Then 2 more  pieces of  good fortune,  a speculative shot by Archie hit
> not one but 2 defenders , sending the keeper the wrong way.  2-1 with thr
> 90 almost up. My mate even said at that stage " I'll take a draw" thats how
> good Leicester had been. Then the coup de gras - Georginio danced through,
> was clearly brought down on the edge of the area, up stepped DJ and another
> slice of luck as his shot deflected off Bamfords knee and through the
> keeper, we had done it.
> Ok probably undeserved and there will be arguments over who is credited
> with the last 2 goals but " we're leeds united we dont give a fuck"
> Absolute bedlam or scenes as the kids call it. We are now in the driving
> seat for automatic promotion ( cant see us catching Leicester but we are
> putting them u der pressure) just hope we haven't used all our luck in this
> one game , but as ghe saying goes,  ' you make your own luck in football '
> A special night - lets hope it counts for something come the enc of th
> season.
> Great game
> Dace
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Re: [LU] We Will Remember Them

[Damian WALSH]

He's 86

Damian



Le mer. 17 janv. 2024 à 13:05, John Boocock  a écrit :

> Hi Hedley, but you are very much alive! (Thankfully) I think Dr Mike
> would be 79 by now but how can we tell?
>
> Damian - your dad?
>
> Betty (70)
>
> On 17/01/2024 11:49, Hedley Shaw wrote:
> > Betty ... I'm knocking on 75
> >
> > DoB 29/06/1949
> >
> > St Michael's College
> >
> > Hedley
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Re: [LU] We Will Remember Them

[Damian WALSH]

Don't forget John Sykes (I think...), and I also remember that there was a
lister who made himself know when mi dad & John were discussing who the
oldest lister was - given that that conversation happened about 20 years
ago, and the guy was already in his eighties I can only hope that he's
still with us

I'm sure that Pete Castlehous kept a "lister's birthdays" list somewhere

Damian



Le mer. 17 janv. 2024 à 11:36, John Boocock  a écrit :

> I am about to update the footer for our email messages.
>
> Following Gav's mention of DRB, I would like to add the following names:
> Guy, Pete, DRB, Lido and Padraig. Is their anyone elese we should remember?
>
> And does anyone want to give a specific date for the birth of the list?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betty
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Re: [LU] Mastermind

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Leeds in July will effortlessly work for me :)



Le mer. 10 janv. 2024 à 11:18, Steve Gillen  a écrit :

> I'd be up for a list meet again.. Apart from a few whom I met years
> ago in the Adephi and (can't recall the name) that pub in Holbeck on the
> way to the ground (met Thirkers there as I recall); plus the Worldnet games
> at Otley road.
>
> I'd really like to see and meet some of you guys again
>
> Steve G
>
> > On 10 Jan 2024, at 09:35, Damian WALSH 
> wrote:
> >
> > Great to hear from you Gav - makes me think that it's time for a
> GrandChild
> > Of All List Meets very soon.
> >
> > As for the career - tell 'em that the Methodists are offering you
> Luncheon
> > Vouchers :)
> >
> > Damian
> >
> >> Le mar. 9 janv. 2024 à 23:52, Gav Burnage 
> a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> Bishop?! Not much danger of the dreaded purple shirt anytime soon. I
> still
> >> have a couple of vax.ox.ac.uk shirts, however, including one in its
> >> original wrapper! Might go for an ebay auction.
> >>
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Re: [LU] Mastermind

[Damian WALSH]

Great to hear from you Gav - makes me think that it's time for a GrandChild
Of All List Meets very soon.

As for the career - tell 'em that the Methodists are offering you Luncheon
Vouchers :)

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écrit :

>
> Bishop?! Not much danger of the dreaded purple shirt anytime soon. I still
> have a couple of vax.ox.ac.uk shirts, however, including one in its
> original wrapper! Might go for an ebay auction.
>
>
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[LU] More "old acquaintance..."

[Damian WALSH]

Does anyone know how Gav got (gets) on? Is he a bishop yet?

Damian
Class of '96  - 10th Jan new job, 9h - 10h induction, 10h01 given email
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(Yahoo probably), 10h02 sent "subscribe" off. In actual fact I think that
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Re: [LU] Mastermind

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We'd have all got the ref for West Brom in 71 :(

Damian

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>
> Question was ...Who was the ref in 1974 charity shield who sent off
> Bremner and keegan ? .
>
> Answer is ->>>Bob Matthewson
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Super Dave.

[Damian WALSH]

I'd like to join you in that memory if I may.

With thoughts also for Guy and the other listers who are no longer with
us

Damian

Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 12:15, Scott1cairns1  a
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> Remembering David Dowden who passed away this day last  year.
> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] Adultery

[Damian WALSH]

Pillow talk?

:)

Le dim. 7 janv. 2024 à 14:43, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
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>  Betty,
> Where are you seeing/hearing the stuff about him being with another
> player's wife?
> Cheers!
> Sean
>
>
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Re: [LU] Defender Djed Spence has returned to Tottenham from his loan spell at Leeds United.

[Damian WALSH]

You fed up with the Judaism/ Christianity/ Moslem zeitgeist too?

Happy New Year everybody...

Damian

Le ven. 5 janv. 2024 à 11:29, John Lee via Leedslist 
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>
>
> It’ll be interesting to see if a creator supreme is on the shopping list?
>
>
>
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[LU] Fwd: VPN

[Damian WALSH]

I am achingly close to having fibre installed (well, it's installed but not
yet connected), so I suppose I can finally ask the question "does anyone
recommend a UK VPN?" :)

Damian

PS Should have been sent directly to the list the first time- sorry Nigel...

Le jeu. 4 janv. 2024 à 00:12, Nigel Sykes  a écrit :

>Yes, it's possible. I use France and IPVanish.
>
>Nigel
>
>(The Dublin one)
>
>Envoyé de mon mobile
>Sent from [1]Outlook for Android
>
> References
>
>1. https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg
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Re: [LU] Sgt WILKO OBE

[Damian WALSH]

Don't want to sound a curmudgeon but he should have had the OBE in '93 and
this one should at the very least be a CBE if not a K. Is there going to be
an election next year?

Damian

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> Great to see Howard Wilkinson getting an OBE in the New Year honours list
> A real hero for LUFC
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

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Le sam. 2 sept. 2023 à 22:23, Jon Abbott  a écrit :

> Surely after a night at the opera & a day at the races they should have
> arranged for a kiss to appear in a Sunday red top, followed by a visit
> to a jazz club...
>
>
It's taken me ages to work out what the green one with the robot on it is
called. You obviously don't have to wait until your 70 before you're
senile...
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

[Damian WALSH]

Hi Betty,

In the spirit of your long drawn out celebration that hasn't yet concluded,
let me wish you a very happy bir...
(to be continued)

Have a good match - and write a fairly controversial report so we've got a
good week's argument on the list :)

Damian

Le sam. 2 sept. 2023 à 10:43, John Boocock  a écrit :

> As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted
> it is a long drawn out affair - a bit like my life to be honest) I
> started my celebrations in July when I was taken to the opera, since
> then I have had a day at the races and next up is a trip to SOTG (also
> as part of the thankgodthetransferwindowisclosed celebrations).
>
> The choice of the Wendies was purely random but it means I get fed and
> watered in the Centenary Pavilion and then have a mild seizure climbing
> up to block L in the MNES. By about 6.00pm I hope to be in Whitelocks
> before being whisked away back to the Land of the Sad Wartin' Geordies
> (LOTSWG).
>
> I haven't actually reached the actual birthday yet, but if I do it will
> be a wonder after all the excitement of recent days. I will attempt my
> first match report in over one million years if I get as far as Sunday
> without a visit to the LGI or Jimmys.
>
> Betty
>
> P.S. I recommend the Opera at Covent Garden if only for the Coach and
> Horses just down the road which served 'the best pint of Guinness in
> London'.
>
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Re: [LU] Incoming Number Latest - Gruev

[Damian WALSH]

He must be crap because he didn't score

Damian

Le jeu. 31 août 2023 à 22:45, Robert Heath  a
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> Werder Bremen beat Hanover 963-0 on his debut ?! Wow!
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 7:35 PM John Boocock  wrote:
>
> > Leeds United are delighted to announce the signing of Ilia Gruev from
> > Bundesliga side SV Werder Bremen, subject to international clearance and
> > a work permit.
> >
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Re: [LU] Season Finally Under Way

[Damian WALSH]

Lose one now and there won't be time to get in the right quality
midfielders/ full backs. Of course if we are pursuing players at the
moment, I'm hoping it's because they're already funded and we don't need to
sell (at least in this window).

All in all I don't want any of those 4 to go...

Damian

Le lun. 28 août 2023 à 13:29, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :

>
> Could still lose a couple before the end of the transfer window, but I
> think I’d settle for losing one of Gnonto, Summerville, Sinisterra if it
> funds a couple of midfielders and a left back.
>
>
> KOT
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[LU] nonLU Northern Soul at the Proms

[Damian WALSH]

Did anybody watch/ listen last night? I did, in a post-victory good mood,
and it was alright - but to me the singers were lacking something (Soul!)
and never quite matched the music.

Then the sight of all the old, fat guys dancing in the aisles soured the
mood a bit further because they could have been me :(

Anyway - up early for first training session of the season this morning. My
season starts next week though I'll miss the first game because I'm
travelling for work. Do we have any listers in Jutland?

Damian

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Re: [LU] Incoming from officious Email

[Damian WALSH]

Is that the Yorkshire Piroe?

Damian

Le jeu. 24 août 2023 à 23:21, John Boocock  a écrit :

> Leeds United are delighted to announce the signing of Swansea City striker
> Joel Piroe, subject to a work permit and international clearance.
>
> The 24-year-old Dutchman joins the Whites in a permanent transfer,
> arriving at Elland Road for an undisclosed fee.
>
> He has put pen-to-paper on a four-year deal in West Yorkshire, running
> until the summer of 2027.
>
> Piroe becomes the club’s fifth signing of the summer transfer window,
> following the arrivals of Ethan Ampadu, Sam Bryam, Karl Darlow and Joe
> Rodon.
>
> He will wear the number 7 shirt during his time at Elland Road.
>
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[LU] Transfer policy

[Damian WALSH]

I previously said I don't entirely blame Orta for last season's debacle -
and I don't, he really doesn't deserve half the shit he gets - however, he
had many more misses than hits, which in actual fact is pretty par for the
course for Leeds.

Is one of the problems our underlying strategy?

Looking back over my lifetime the biggest successes we have had in the
transfer market were the grizzled old-timers: Bobby Collins, Gordon
Strachan anyone?

We've also had success with players who were at least mature when we bought
them: Johnny Giles, Gary McAllister, Allan Clarke and so on

I can't think of many examples of us buying young first-teamers that were
unequivocally  successful.

Why do we waste our time buying for the future when the future is sackcloth
& ashes?

Damian

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Re: [LU] First (past the) Post

[Damian WALSH]

It does.

What are the chances of another Lards/ France match? (either in FR or UK)

Damian

Le mar. 22 août 2023 à 12:20, Jon Abbott  a écrit :

> Trying to process you as a grandfather - got the image in my head of your
> kids the last time I was in Pussay with the Lards - but that was 2005. Time
> passes quickly.
>
> jabba
>
>
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[LU] Fwd: First (past the) Post

[Damian WALSH]

There must be some things that haven't changed. For example everybody
around me thinks that I'm assiduously working :)

Damian

Le mar. 22 août 2023 à 10:28, John Lee via Leedslist 
a écrit :

> It ain’t like it used to be :-(
>
>

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Re: [LU] First (past the) Post

[Damian WALSH]

In actual fact I was lying, but my granddaughter starts school next week
and I wanted to test the waters for her :)

Damian

Le mar. 22 août 2023 à 10:22, John Boocock  a écrit :

>
> Student? Pah! Been a student for this last 5 years me.
>
>
>
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[LU] First (past the) Post

[Damian WALSH]

Hi Everybody!

After more than 10 years lurking 3 months after the event, I'm back on the
List with a functionning and accessible email account.

In fact I've just started college and I understand that you are all very
welcoming to newbie students :)

Wilko Out!

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Re: [LU] Orta gone

[Damian Walsh]

Going through 6 months list backlog, and in the light of some of the
(frankly) crazy stuff that I've seen on other forums, this posting is worth
responding to

Why the fuck does/ did Orta get the blame for this? Surely the Yanquie
49ers were already pulling the strings and there was no way they were going
to approve sacking Marsch until it was far far too late. Maybe you can
fault Orta for not resigning in November, but even so - my take is that the
49ers were, and still are, 99% responsible for last season's debacle and
this season's shit show.

Thank God for Orta & Radz for making sure that the club remains financially
viable and it won't be their fault if we eventually end up with another
Bates!

Damian

PS no reflection on Matt's post, I'm "going after" the Radz & Orta fucked
us up when the 49ers were there to save us" brigade. FFS - does Orta love
over-hyped and over-priced American players (buy 10, get 1 who can play)
more than his job?

On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 2:51 PM MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> Well i guess all the good he's done appointing Bielsa, finding Raphinha,
> Kich, Meslier etc has been more than undone by appointing Marsch and
> failing to get rid in November, then messing up the January window
>
> BUT if its true that he objecte


d to Kinnear trying to appoint Allardyce
> - i think i'm on his side
>
> Matt
>
>
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Damian Walsh]

Shocked and gutted.

RIP Dave.

Damian

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:11 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Totally agree and my condolences too.
> Nick
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 02:05:04 AM EST, Ian Murray <
> ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Really sorry to hear this news.
>
> I haven't met many of you lot in person but we have all been on this list
> for a fairly long time now and in some weird digital way we all sort of
> know bits about each other.
>
> Rest in Peace Dave.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock <
> j...@boocock.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2023 3:09 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: [LU] Dave Dowden.
>
> Dear all,
>
> Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards
> worldnet team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two
> years. His illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. He
> was at home with his family having turned what was a six month assessment
> into two very full years.
>
> Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan but
> there was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed cycling, and
> took an active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years he was a leading
> light in the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also liked a good fire!
>
> A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and anyone
> who shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, eventful. He
> made many of the matches abroad during our most recent European campaigns
> and quite a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone going to the Barca game
> will remember him and Chris Fitz staying above a sex shop which they were
> convinced was run by nuns).
>
> I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was
> involved in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn
> mower). One thing I can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone will
> collect them.
>
> Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home
> in the sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten.
>
> Betty
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[LU] Happy New Year

[Damian Walsh]

Happy New Year to all (current scoreline just being a blip obviously...)

Damian
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Re: [LU] Wilderness years

[Damian Walsh]

My last game that year was West Ham at Upton Park where we amazingly
(because it was completely against the run of play) lost 4-3. We should
have lost 4-2 because they scored their 4th goal in the 89th minute and we
only had 2, but Bryan Flynn, obviously pissed off(*), took the ball from
kick-off and strode it through the entire11-man WHU team to score. One of
the best individual goals I've ever seen and one that Maradonna made a pale
attempt to copy 4 years later in Mexico. I was in the Upton Park South
Stand, home of the Tinies (avr age 14, evil as fuck), and nearly gave
myself away by not applauding the Mighty Flynn as all the WHU fans did.

Apart from going down, the other memories of that year were the scurrilous
songs about Argentina that are unrepeatable nowadays.

(*) was it because we were losing or was it because it was Trevor Brooking
who scored? Either reason is complete justification :)

Damian

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> Just watched the last episode- absolutely brilliant. I am still feeling
> hard down by with the ban for the late great Frank Worthington, who could
> have kept us up, still believe we will stay up after the Brighton game ,
> and know the chip on our collective shoulder is justified,  not only re
> Worthington but when you see the papers after relegation " good riddance "
> and " Leeds when they came up under Revie polluted the first division " -
> amazing
> Add to that the copper in charge at west brom saying he had to order the
> baton charge and deal with us in a ruthless way because " his men were
> frightened and he genuinely believed we would have killed a few policemen "
> ( loved the bit following that quiote with ' an inspector had his glasses
> broken '
> It was a mental night, though Sniffer of course saw no trouble.  Some
> great clips of as he called us ' the greatest fans in the country' at the
> game v Brighton, all 19,000 of us - remember it well
> A brilliant end to a brilliant series- cannot recommend it highly enough
> for both those fans who lived through it and those who missed it. . Really
> well put together with police footage ( esp episodes v Manchester teams) ,
> news items and MOTD and the Big Match, plus some social commentary about
> the times .Excellent work
> If you haven't seen it - watch all of it,
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Has April fools day come early?

[Damian Walsh]

Just seen this post - sorry for the delay :)

Merry Christmas everybody - here's wishing that Sr. Bielsa will see it
through, which means at least another year.
Fat Frank? 'ck Off!

MOT Damian

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>  I quite often go on newsnow Leeds United page and then try and avoid the
> click bait headlines but the latest was just too enticing- supposedly Frank
> Lampard is the Betfair bookmakers favourite to take over from Bielsa
> WTF Replce Bielsa with Fat Frank ,- words fail me
>
> Frank Lampard - 5/2
>
> Jorge Sampaoli - 6/1
>
> Marcelino - 8/1
>
> Lee Bowyer - 8/1
>
> Jonathan Woodgate - 9/1
>
> Mick McCarthy - 40/1
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Re: [LU] Good to be back (Everton)

[Damian Walsh]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:33 PM Robert Heath 
wrote:

> Phillips is one of your three reasons why
> we are not playing as well as you want us to?


Rob - we all love him to bits, that's why he's judged against a higher
standard than anybody else.

Quite rightly!  :)

Damian
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Re: [LU] Have we all got nothing to say about out thrashing by Manure?

[Damian Walsh]

After 2 matches CF are still above PSG, first time in 50 years that a newly
promoted side have won their first 2. Lyon next.

I don't know what Messi is earning at PSG, but his last reported "wage cut"
figure at Barcelona was more than 3 times CF's entire annual budget (last
year) so the only conceivable way for him into the club would have been to
buy it :)

Talking of buying, if I go this year then I'll almost certainly have to buy
my own ticket - something I've only done twice before in 20 years of going.

Damian

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:28 PM Robert Heath 
wrote:

> Damian : PS Allez Clermont Foot!
>
> Did you see that headline in L'Equipe when Clermont were top of the league
> (and above PSG on goal diff) for about 5 mins after winning their first
> match: "Messi.are you sure you chose the right club?"
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 7:41 AM Damian Walsh 
> wrote:
>
>> I must admit that I've been feeling very nervous for the past month or so.
>>
>> But how much of that is due to nearly all the other Premier League teams
>> appearing regulary in the press, some more than most, all of them
>> featuring
>> marquee signings(*), or ambitious new managers or other reasons why
>> they're
>> going to finish in the European places. From the coverage it wouldn't be
>> surprising if 18 teams qualify for Europe and Leeds & Newcastle get
>> relegated!
>>
>> So let's relax, calm our nerves and remember it's all only hype. This
>> weekend's results can be ignored :)
>>
>> (*) The Grauniad dammed our Junior Firpo with "not as versatile as
>> Alioski"...
>>
>> Damian
>>
>> PS Allez Clermont Foot!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:18 AM Alec McQueen  wrote:
>>
>> > I am pretty sure I am in a minority of one but I would be happy with
>> simply
>> > staying up this season.
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Re: [LU] Have we all got nothing to say about out thrashing by Manure?

[Damian Walsh]

I must admit that I've been feeling very nervous for the past month or so.

But how much of that is due to nearly all the other Premier League teams
appearing regulary in the press, some more than most, all of them featuring
marquee signings(*), or ambitious new managers or other reasons why they're
going to finish in the European places. From the coverage it wouldn't be
surprising if 18 teams qualify for Europe and Leeds & Newcastle get
relegated!

So let's relax, calm our nerves and remember it's all only hype. This
weekend's results can be ignored :)

(*) The Grauniad dammed our Junior Firpo with "not as versatile as
Alioski"...

Damian

PS Allez Clermont Foot!


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> I am pretty sure I am in a minority of one but I would be happy with simply
> staying up this season.
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Re: [LU] Contract up dates

[Damian Walsh]

BTW talking of Grealish - I really really didn't like him (niggly,
petulant, arrogant etc etc) but I saw him interviewed a few times across
the Euros and he actually impressed me as a decent bloke. Of course I won't
revise my opinion whilst he's playing :)

Damian

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 5:59 PM Damian Walsh  wrote:

> Thanks for the updates Betty.
>
> Well we missed out on Messi (too old) and Grealish (too Brum) but I'm
> hoping that we look for another creative type before the end of the window
> :)
>
> Damian
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 1:24 PM john  wrote:
>
>> As well as Bielsa renewing his contract for one year, Meslier has agreed
>> a new contract: Illan Meslier signs Leeds United contract until 2026 -
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58198969Sent from the passenger
>> seat of an imaginary Austin A40..
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Re: [LU] Contract up dates

[Damian Walsh]

Thanks for the updates Betty.

Well we missed out on Messi (too old) and Grealish (too Brum) but I'm
hoping that we look for another creative type before the end of the window
:)

Damian

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> As well as Bielsa renewing his contract for one year, Meslier has agreed a
> new contract: Illan Meslier signs Leeds United contract until 2026 -
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58198969Sent from the passenger seat
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

[Damian Walsh]

Nice to have football on the list :)

Sterling was fouled, he didn't dive, he had his leg clipped at speed and he
went nose first into the turf like you'd do at school if one of your mates
clipped your leg running to get into the dinner queue. It was a clear
penalty. But why didn't Kane get one earlier in the same game for being
hacked (rather than clipped) down?

I watched that match in a bar with no sound on the telly. My impressions
from purely the images was that the Danes were quite a dirty team and that
they had more than one cheat playing for them. Imagine my surprise to read
the English press next day and find out that it was the poor plucky Danes
who were cheated out of the match by the evil English...

I see that we've made one or two signings. I'm surprised to see that
Harrison's fee is reported at 11M because I'm sure that 20M+ was being
bandied about last year.

Damian - returning holidaymaker :)

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 11:48 AM Nick  wrote:

>
>
> And if it is a question of ‘doing whatever it takes’ to win, then how is
> that different from Sterling’s ‘penalty?
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Big debate with myself about tempting fate

[Damian Walsh]

Sh*t! I'd not seen Bamford to Liverpool

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:24 PM Steve Gillen  wrote:

> Press speculation? Would that be the one that links Marcelo to Spurs and
> Bamford to Liverpool? It's all a load of column filling bollocks in my
> opinion.
>
>
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[LU] Big debate with myself about tempting fate

[Damian Walsh]

... But in the end I decided to post anyway :)

Am I the only person who saw the press (specuation?) linking the soon-to-be
ex-Roma manager with Leeds?

Or are we all all keeping quiet in the hope that it will go away?

Damian
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Re: [LU] Never........

[Damian Walsh]

Missed his chance, someone else got in before him :)

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 2:04 PM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:

> Hear hear
>
> Apparently, years ago in one of many of his “gaffes” that would have
> earned him a disciplinary warning at work he expressed the view that if
> reincarnation was real he’d like to come back as a deadly virus to help
> sort out “overpopulation”. Measure of the man.
>
> Nick
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 10 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Robert Heath  wrote:
> >
> > ..have I missed crowds more than now when you would have to hope
> > that Leeds fans would have whistled and jeered through the minute's
> silence
> > for that bloody parasitic sponger who has just died.
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Re: [LU] Okay, I'll do it

[Damian Walsh]

Not all of us I'm afraid so thanks very much Jeremy.

Damian

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Jeremy Adams 
wrote:

> No match reports? I guess everyone feels that we all watched the match
> (which I'm sure we did.) My quick observations.
>
> 1.Not our best performance but we were miles better than Sheff U and
> should really have been out of sight by the final whistle, We largely
> controlled the game, and I thought our "game management" was better than
> earlier in the season, controlled the flow of the game soaked up whatever
> little pressure they put us under and attacked when we had the
> opportunities to do so.
>
> 2. Llorente is looking very useful. I like Cooper for all his service to
> the club but I think it won't be long before the central pairing will be
> Llorente and Koch (or even Struijk)
>
> 3. Top marks to Roberts who has really looked like a premier league player
> these last few outings. At the beginning of the season I never thought he'd
> cut it at this level but full credit to him, he's now looking like a decent
> premier league player.
>
> 4. Raphina is the most exciting player we've had in a long time but we all
> know that by now. Yes he was at fault for their goal by trying a fancy
> flick when all he had to do was trap the ball and pass it, but I'll take
> those little errors in exchange for a player who can put defenders on their
> arse time and time again all day long.
>
> 5. What was up with Bamford? Is he still carrying an injury? Just didn't
> look up to the pace of the game to me, poorest game he's had in a while but
> he's excused that because he's exceeded all expectations this season for me.
>
> 6. Stuart Dallas is a bloody good premier league player.
>
> 7. Rodrigo needs a little more game time but I'm convinced he'll soon be
> getting lots of praise from the pundits, just seems a little short of match
> sharpness but his movement is very intelligent.
>
> 8. Wasn't that the first time this season we've had all our summer
> signings on the pitch at the same time? If it was I think it says volumes
> for how we'll we've coped this season despite a lot of injuries. Bielsa has
> somehow managed to get even more out of what were once considered pretty
> average championship players.
>
> 9. Alioski is still a bang average championship player. I love him but we
> really need a proper left back this summer.
>
> 10. That's it from me, got to take my son to school.
>
> Jeremy
>
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Re: [LU] Leeds training video circa 1938.

[Damian Walsh]

'ck me There's at least 3 of them that are older than I am now!

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:54 PM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> https://youtu.be/6LtqNtuJI-o
>
> Is that Elland Road?
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
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Re: [LU] Decimalisation Day!

[Damian Walsh]

Are you sure there's not a time lens distortion there? At Tottenham it was
3'6 too at that time (1'6 for a reserve match - the only ones I went to on
my own) but that was for boys. It was still 17 1/2 np after decimalisation,
still for boys. I'll ask mi dad but I think adult prices were round the 8
or 9 shillings mark.

Did you grow up in the summer of 1971? Did you go back to Elland Road in
the autumn as a man?   :)

Damian

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:53 PM Graham White  wrote:

> Yeah, I remember decimalisation, some people used it as an excuse for
> ripping people off. For instance prior to decimalisation it cost 3s 6d to
> go in the Kop and afterwards it went up to 50p! A 285% increase, robbing
> bastards!!!
>
>
> Graham White
>
> 
>
> On Monday, 15 February 2021, 18:35:46 CET, Damian Walsh <
> pussaydam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Funny stories no, but memories yes.
>
> I used to live near to White Hart Lane and after football matches we'd work
> through the thousands of discarded cigarette boxes in the hope that we'd
> find a cigarette or two that we would then try to sell. I only remember
> being successful once. For the rest of that 1971 football season though,
> we'd ask the people coming out of games if they had any old pennies they
> didn't want (and couldn't spend). However for a few months you could
> actually still spend them in multiples of 6. We'd easily make a good
> shilling each at the start because nobody begrudged the odd penny that they
> couldn't spend to little kids.
>
> However, the happy memories of that Spring were soon overshadowed by West
> Bludy Brom.
>
> Damian
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 1:51 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> > A lot of ye will remember that day.  I don't...just that bit too young!
> > 240 (20 shillings, each with 12) pence in a pound became only 100.
> > Any funny stories?
> > James.
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Re: [LU] Decimalisation Day!

[Damian Walsh]

Funny stories no, but memories yes.

I used to live near to White Hart Lane and after football matches we'd work
through the thousands of discarded cigarette boxes in the hope that we'd
find a cigarette or two that we would then try to sell. I only remember
being successful once. For the rest of that 1971 football season though,
we'd ask the people coming out of games if they had any old pennies they
didn't want (and couldn't spend). However for a few months you could
actually still spend them in multiples of 6. We'd easily make a good
shilling each at the start because nobody begrudged the odd penny that they
couldn't spend to little kids.

However, the happy memories of that Spring were soon overshadowed by West
Bludy Brom.

Damian

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> Folks,
> A lot of ye will remember that day.  I don't...just that bit too young!
> 240 (20 shillings, each with 12) pence in a pound became only 100.
> Any funny stories?
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Re: [LU] Guy Thornton

[Damian Walsh]

Shit!

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:09 PM Wiggy  wrote:

> Some really sad news just in from Amsterdam. Guy Thornton passed away
> today.
>
> He’d recently been diagnosed with cancer and had just had his first chemo
> treatment.
>
> Will pass on more info as I hear it.
>
> Wiggy.
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Re: [LU] FA Cup: Crawley away

[Damian Walsh]

Not sure if you're joking but Crawley away has got banana skin written all
over it. Having said that I have to recognise that the new Leeds don't do
banana skins, at the same time as not caring about losing in a cup
competition anyway.

Personally I'm looking forward to playing Swindon and later on Birmingham
in the semis :)

Damian

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:02 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Looking forward to that one. Rodrigo and Llorente might have a chance of a
> game.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020, 7:43 pm, Wiggy 
> wrote:
>
> In case you'd not seen ... games on weekend of 9/10 January.
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[LU] Berardi

[Damian Walsh]

I've just seen Berardi listed as a sub in a newspaper match preview for
this evening.

Is it true? Does this mean he's (miraculously?) over his injury? Does this
mean he's signed a new contract?

Or does it mean the newspaper is talking shite?

Damian
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Re: [LU] VAR for offside

[Damian Walsh]

I'm coming a week late to the party, sorry for that..

First of all I think that Ed is spot on. Cricket has got it right and
football hasn't and football needs to swallow its pride (sic!) and copy a
winning formula - especially including only invoking VAR if the ref is
"challenged" by a team captain for a perceived injustice.

However I'm less in-line (sorry) with Kev's original post, if only because
the offside line for Bamford's disallowed goal seems to compare Bamford's
T-shirt line to the defender's body line (see the freeze frame on
Facebook). So comparing apples to apples, Bamford was not offside!

God I hate international weekends :)

Damian

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:12 AM Ian Murray 
wrote:

> Agreed completely.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish <
> edmorr...@gmail.com>
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> To: guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] VAR for offside
>
> I feel like the footballing authorities have missed out on a crucial
> element of how video reviews work in cricket: umpire’s call. In cricket,
> you have to be 100% the umpire got it wrong, not 1% sure they weren’t
> right. If Bamford’s goal had been disallowed by the ref, the video would
> have upheld that; if it had been allowed, it would also have been upheld -
> it’s clearly a grey area, so let the ref do his job.
>
> (I also think there should be one review per team per half, which you lose
> if you challenge incorrectly.)
>
> Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 10 Nov 2020, at 17:46, Guy Thornton 
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh mighty King of Tonga, I agree with you and I did say I didn't blame
> the ref who was 'only following
> > orders'.
> > Okay, he was following the latest interpretation of those who must be
> obeyed on on deciding what is
> > and what is not offside with VAR. Whether it was Lineker and friends who
> helped get the new
> > interpretation I don't know but something needs to be done to sort this
> out. I'm not against VAR, a
> > contaire, but there's been some mighty silly decisions made. Forget who
> it was but I remember a
> > player with his back to the one kicking the ball, arm by his side but
> the ball hit it and wham, a foul.
> > On offside what happened to being in an offside potion but not
> interfering with play?
> > guy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10 Nov 2020 at 17:06, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) wrote:
> >
> > I'm actually pro VAR, but just can't believe what a pigs ear the
> officials make of applying it.  Firstly they
> > don't have to use the lines.  They are not used in Rugby replays to
> determine forward passes.
> >
> > If they must use the lines then Offside is offside, whether by a foot or
> a yard (Or a few millimetres).
> > The forward already gets the advantage that he can be level (if that is
> even possible anymore).
> >
> > The idea that a player's arm can put them offside is patently
> ridiculous.  But it is not VAR's fault.
> > Part of the fault is with Lineker and his chums who moaned about
> handballs being given when the ball
> > hit the arm.
> >
> > The unintended consequence of reducing the handball to the T Shirt line
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[LU] Which Lacoste?

[Damian Walsh]

Many thanks to the match report from our resident Bordeaux expert, it rally
makes you feel good to be a Leeds fan!

However - I read in the Grauniad that Bamford was going to celebrate last
night with a bottle of "Chateau Lacoste"...

... Now was it Grand Puy, or was it Borie?

:)
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[LU] Biggest Satdi since August 1990....

[Damian Walsh]

... Can't wait!

I was tempted to pay for RMC Sport to watch the match but then I realised
that the 9€90 was A MONTH(!) and not for the year.

Tsttt! Yorkshireman living in Arvergne :)

Damian

Anybody drunk any good St Emilions lately?

Can(t afford them anymore either :(
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[LU] Negativity? I shit it!

[Damian Walsh]

We're playing for the win - every match; Add it all up and we're Champions.

We've got a good team with fantastic individuals, but better than that -
the sum is greater than the parts..

We're not going to piss this league of course. But we're much much better
than average and that will show over the season.

Onwards & upwards!

Damian
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Re: [LU] Trophy

[Damian Walsh]

Cue the pub quiz question "Who is the only club to be concurrently twice,
the last Football League Champions"?

damian

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:00 PM Robert Heath 
wrote:

> Am I right in thinking that the trophy we are going to get will be the very
> same one I saw us parading around Elland Road in 1969 after we beat Forest
> with a Johnny Giles goal to win the league with a (then) record number of
> points.and the same one Wilko's boys were pictured with in
> 1992?
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Re: [LU] At last, we did it!

[Damian Walsh]

I'm actually with [what we all assume is] Bielsa's position here.  By all
means buy one or two or a few good players as part of "general
improvement", but don't go anywhere near either breaking the bank or
breaking the current team.

We've already had Bielsa's revolution - now it's time for evolution.

Damian

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 1:49 AM Alec McQueen  wrote:

> .



> But, the fact remains, these are journeymen players who will get squashed
> in the premiership. They are not good enough to see us survive. We need a
> minimum of 5 new players to make a decent go of staying in the premier...
> and I don’t believe MB will want to do this. He will want to stay with his
> established current players who he has worked on so hard. I reckon this
> will be a mistake, and we will struggle.
>
> Being optimistic, we could do a SheffU. But I think that is blind
> optimism, with little justification. More likely we will be close to doing
> a Norwich. The unknown factor is how much magic can MB create through the
> squad? MB is the only factor that could allow us to survive.
>
> We need better players and fast.
> Cheers
> Alec
>
>
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Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Damian Walsh]

Apart from anything else - I'm not sure I want to go up if we aren't
champions. That feeling was a comfort last year :)

So that's at least 7 points still required!

Damian

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:02 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  John,
> I dare not say anymore before we are promoted, which is not a given,
> given, given yet.
>
>
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Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Damian Walsh]

If you look at the comments on the article, there are some quite bitter
people out there :)

Damian

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:55 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke
>
>
>
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[LU] Does it get any better?

[Damian Walsh]

I became a grandad 10 days ago, my son got his Bac today and Leeds win 5
nil to go on top of the table.

There's a letter waiting for me this evening from my youngest daughter's
school. Apparently we paid too much dinner money and there's a cheques
attached for 60 centimes

How on earth can life improve ?

Damian
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Re: [LU] We've made the playoffs!

[Damian Walsh]

Cheque in the post?
Won't come in your mouth?
:)

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 7:55 PM Richard Naef 
wrote:

> Klichy also said today that he promised his GF he'd never pay as shit as
> he did against Luton again!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
> Sent: 04 July 2020 18:21
> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] We've made the playoffs!
>
> I did. And the point about the corners was as valid as acknowledging was a
> fantastic strike the free kick today was. They are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Similarly, White has been our player of season (arguably with Dallas or
> Ayling), but his ‘challenge’ against the Luton goal scorer was
> questionable...But he was really on the front foot today.
>
> Good solid performance. Nice for Douglas as well. Bamford unlucky not to
> get two.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 4 Jul 2020, at 18:09, John Lee via Leedslist 
> wrote:
> >
> > Did you hear the bit about how his entire family had been laughing at
> his 15 rubbish corners v Luton? Very nice to see forward motion of the ball
> at free kicks, and balls into the box at corners - hopefully he’ll never be
> Luton-shit again?
> >
> > Play-offs - pah!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 4 Jul 2020, at 17:46, Robert Heath  wrote:
> >>
> >> Guaranteed at least a spot in the playoffs after that brilliant win.
> >> (Not sure how we did it with that donkey Phillips in midfield.)
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Re: [LU] David Brennan

[Damian Walsh]

Gosh - I'm just catching up with the terrible news.

What a sad thing. His poor family must be devastated.

Praying for them all..

Damian

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:56 PM Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) <
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> So Sorry, to hear Dave’s passing.
> I agree with the all the sympathies expressed by many of the list
> stalwarts from the late 90s.
> It is good to see some of those names again, but as is often the case it
> takes such a sad event to instigate such expression.
>
> I’d like to thank Dave for shaving my head in Nottingham, 1996. Little
> knowing it would never grow back!
>
> He was one of the guys that made the long trips to Leeds from Didcot
> worthwhile in those days when the football was sometimes less than
> riveting, and he was always good company at associated List gatherings.
>
> RIP Dave and condolences to the family.
>
> KOT.
>
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Re: [LU] Greatest british manager

[Damian Walsh]

A bit shocking that Herbert Chapman isn't on the list.

Damian

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:21 AM Guy Thornton 
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> BBC have got a poll https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52371056 for the
> greatest british manager
>
> List of 14 includes Revie. Votes close 10.00 BST Monday 27th
>
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[LU] Leeds pub

[Damian Walsh]

I'm in Leeds tomorrow and I wondered if there is a lister recommended pub
to watch the match in?

It has to be a lucky pub because the last time I watched them in a pub in
Leeds we had 99% possession but lost one nil :(

Thanks Damian

PS on the culinary front I plan to stay loyal to the Rich Walker
recommended Sous le Nez which has always come up trumps :)
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Re: [LU] Listers pub?

[Damian Walsh]

I think that that disappeared from the radar some years ago.

I'm going to be logged off so tant pis.

However if Betty is in Leeds - can you get in touch pls (I'm on the same
number otherwise I'll pick up mails this afternoon)

Damian LAFOTL

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:59 AM Peter Castlehouse 
wrote:

> Not that I have been back from Oz for a Lister's meet-up pre-match since
> 2001, but wasn't the Adelphi in that mix somewhere?
>
> OzPete
> t'original one
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Cc: leedslist 
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>
> Not aware of anything. The two traditional pubs of the past are both long
> gone. The Britannia is now a mini market and The Commercial is abandoned.
>
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 07:36, Damian Walsh  wrote:
>
> > Do listers go for a drink anywhere before the match these days?
> >
>
>
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[LU] Listers pub?

[Damian Walsh]

Do listers go for a drink anywhere before the match these days?

I haven't got a ticket but I can at least drink a beer.

Damian
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Re: [LU] Eddie Nketiah

[Damian Walsh]

I always remember from my Shoot Leeds United wallchart of 1975 (or maybe it
was the Daily Mirror) that one of the factors of the 73/74 title was the
fact that Leeds used many less players over the year than anyone else (14
sticks in the memory but I've not checked).

.. Of course it helps that the 14 were all better players than anyone
else at the time :)

Damian

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:32 PM Richard Naef 
wrote:

>   Bielsa believes in a small squad and believes that the dangers of that
> are less than the benefits.
>
>
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Re: [LU] good article

[Damian Walsh]

I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the
lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window
and the recruitment policy that we follow.

I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders,
y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for
the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas
and to act accordingly.

Damian

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and
> seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players
> to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of
> places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] good article
>
>  I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that
> is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis
> into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way
> Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had
> changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa
> does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or
> bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if
> he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next
> season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match
> Dave-
> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>   Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first
> place.
> On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath <
> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am
> prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager,
> we would have gone through.
> So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail
> gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might
> not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  Great piece. We truly have been privileged.
> Nick
> On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship
>
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Now what

[Damian Walsh]

Clear analysis but there is a lot (OK some...) I don't agree with :)

First of all I think that Douglas has to go - he was a great statement
signing but Wolves didn't get rid for nothing and it's not worked for him
or for us. So I wish him all the best and every success but somewhere else
please. For LB Alioski + a youngster as cover/ competition. BTW I think
that Alioski will continue to improve as LB or WB  but if his position is
attacker or attacking midfielder then he's a luxury we can't afford.

I play football in FR and the good teams (actually "team") that I've played
for will always prefer a holding midfielder (in Eng. - a constructing
midfielder in Continental) to a flair player like Saiz. I suspect that
Bielsa always wanted to play Philips & Forshaw together as the constructing
bottom apexes of an attack minded W formation (hope that's understandable)
but it's not worked. If Philips has been a revelation this year, Forshaw
has been a disappointment. even though Rich Walker sees a player there. The
obvious answer is Philips & a committed Paul Pogba :) but in the real world
I think that we have to give Forshaw another year.

Hernandez needs to 1. Add consistency to his game & 2. Have more confidence
in his team mates. For me it stood out like a sore thumb on Monday that
Hernandez's "big fish/ little pond" impression was (being polite)
counter-productive. Hernandez is not Gordon Strachan and he should be
asking himself why!

Same for Jansson - I think that he should take some lessons from Cooper.

Up front though is where our major failing this season is. And if Bamford
is the solution then we've not understood the problem. A competent but
limited midfield (such as ours) needs a highly mobile and always available
forward line (whether 1, 2 or 3 forwards). That worked for Roofe until his
injury but isn't working for Bamford. Roofe deserves the benefit of the
doubt for the moment but we need to get rid of Bamford and replace him with
2 players - an efficient forward journeyman (Lee Chapman?) + a hungry
youngster

I hope that every player that I've criticized will prove me wrong in the
next two games and then next year too. MOT!

Damian



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:04 PM Simon McNally  wrote:

> Like you I’m struggling not to be depressed about the whole thing. I
> really hope we storm up through the playoffs but I can’t say I’m overly
> confident.
> I think your point about Bielsa is a good one. Hopefully he will be here
> next season regardless of which division we’re in. He will have a good idea
> of which areas need strengthening and which don’t, and also which players
> on other teams we could be targeting.
> If we don’t go up I’d be looking at the squad like this:
> GK - Casillas with BPF as backup
> RB - Ayling with youngster as backup. Ayling’s form dipped mid season but
> I think Bielsa rates him - just wish he could cross a ball.
> LB - I’d give Douglas another go here. Thought he was our best player
> early on but form dipped, possibly related to injury. We have a few
> youngsters in this position as well and would be interesting to see their
> development. Hopefully not Dallas here!
> CB - Cooper and Jansson have been named in PFA team of the year and you’d
> have to think they’d be first choice again. I think we need more cover here
> especially as Cooper seems to pick up a few injuries over course of season.
> Berardi has done ok but not as assured in possession as the other two.
> DM - Phillips has to play every week. Think we need better back up here
> than Forshaw.
> CM - Klich has had a decent year but the goals have dried up a bit. I’ve
> seen it suggested that this might be due to the changing roles ahead of him
> that aren’t creating the same amount of space as before. Again this may be
> where we look for an upgrade or a youngster breaking through. Maybe a
> better place for Forshaw to play.
> The 3 behind the striker - I’d be interested to know what Bielsa’s
> preferred mix is here. We started the year with Saiz at 10, Pablo right and
> Alioski left , so a sort of winger plus two playmakers strategy. Then he
> had Pablo at 10 with Harrison and Alioski wide, then Clarke wide with
> Harrison and Pablo at 10 so two wingers and a playmaker. We’ve finished
> with Pablo right, Harrison left and Roofe or Roberts at 10 so sort of
> winger, second striker, playmaker. You’d hope next year that Pablo would
> still be ok to play every week and Clarke would make the step up to playing
> regularly too. I’d be tempted to play Shackleton at 10 to give us the
> winger plus two playmakers we had earlier in the season. At any rate I
> think we should be looking for a replacement for Saiz but it won’t be cheap
> or easy to find. Forestieri at Wednesday would be amazing but can’t see
> them selling, although he doesn’t strike me as a Steve Bruce sort of player!
> Striker - Roofe’s injury hurt us because he seemed in great form and
> hasn’t looked the same since he came back. Bamford has done ok, I 

Re: [LU] Galling

[Damian Walsh]

Hi Kevin,

I think that you're being wise after the event. Whether you think Roofe is
good enough or not, the facts are that he scored the goals in the first
part of the season then has been injured (and not playing) for the second
part. Bamford has indeed proved to be a gamble that's not entirely worked -
we should have bought Lukaku who is perfect for the second division :)
Douglas? I spell "sicknote" as L-I-A-B-I-L-T-Y but his failings have at
least allowed Alioski to be more productive than he ever was - the shame
was that Swansea didn't want to swap their young winger for him because I
think Bielsa would have bitten their hands off

As we're all agreed that we're fucked in the playoffs, the question is,
does this year give us the platform to go on to better things (and I only
want to go up a Champions) or will we have a hang-over for the next ten
years or so?

Damian

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kevin.le...@uksbs.co.uk> wrote:

> All the conventional opinion said Leeds would blow up towards the end of
> the season.  The only person who did not think so was Bielsa.
>
> He was also the one who said, publicly at least,that we didn't need any
> January signings.  We could all see that  the squad  was short of a C Back,
> and suspected that neither Roofe nor Bamford would be good enough in the
> final reckoning.
> Letting Saiz go was not a bad move, provided we signed the winger we
> wanted and enabled Pablo to play more central.  But why did they put all
> the eggs in Daniel James' basket and leave it to the last day?  We had a
> month to make the signing. When it fell through, there should have been a
> back-up.
>
> It was always going to be a big ask for Roberts to take the no 10 role
> during the pressurised run in.  The odd appearance from him in the last 20
> mins would have given Pablo a bit of rest.
>
> Also letting Tom Pearce out on loan was a strange move.  Douglas has been
> a bit of a sick-note and a bit disappointing. His injury has left Alioski
> as the only choice at left back, and meant Harrison has had to play every
> game.
>
> The odd thing is that in championship terms, those 3 signings would give
> us a pretty good squad for next season.  I can't see too many of our
> players being snapped up this summer, and there aren't many that are
> indispensable.  However it means that Bielsa has to be up for it for
> another season, and that he learns a little bit from his  previous
> experiences.
>
> Like Leeds he has quite a record of falling at the last hurdle.  :(
>
> KOT.
>
>
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Re: [LU] First thing on next training session....

[Damian Walsh]

Back in August, if we'd have dreamed of been in 3rd spot on goal difference
we would have assumed that we'd a better goal difference than 4th spot :)

Damian

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 1:09 PM nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> [.] and I know back in August us being in 3rd spot on goal difference
> with 3 to go was just a dream !
> Keep the faith
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [LU] Next Sat fixtures

[Damian Walsh]

Understand the excitement but a win against Valencia would have been our
biggest.

 Shit! That was more than 15 yrs ago..

Fugit inreparabile tempus

Does our hibernation finish in May?

Damian

PS any Bucarest Whites on the list?

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 7:24 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> A win would be the biggest win in 15 years.
> My money is in a draw.
>
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> Subject: [LU] Next Sat fixtures
>
> The biggie is us v Norwich of course but whilst I expect Sheff U to pick
> up 3 pts at home to Bolton, West Brom are at home to Boro so dropped points
> for at least one of them
> Dave
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Re: [LU] FA Cup

[Damian Walsh]

Hear hear Rogerre,

And they can bring back Cup Final It'a A Knockout too :)

Damian

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:48 PM Roger Goodair via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>Back in my boyhood and youth the FA Cup final was the biggest game of
>the season for any player to play in - only one team played in the
>European cup, so for the rest of the teams it was the biggest cup
>competition in Christendom. A certain Mr Stiles who won a world cup and
>a European cup, still has it as the biggest regret in his career (and
>we stopped it twice) that he didn't play in an FA Cup final.
>I'm totally pissed off with the majority of teams in the top two
>divisions (Us included for many seasons now) who take the piss and
>totally disrespect the original and greatest cup competition in the
>world.
>I'll give the FA an extremely simple solution that will make managers
>and players, once again go though brick walls to win this trophy.
>Champions league qualification to the top three only and the fourth
>place to the FA Cup winners - simples.
>Have a great day everyone
>Rogerre
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Re: [LU] Number crunching

[Damian Walsh]

What happened to that supercomputer that predicted all the results for the
whole year? I remember that we were predicted to be second at Christmas but
would lose all our matches in January never to recover...

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 12:40 AM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Think I said just that somewhere (twatter I think), 12 more wins should
> do it
> Nick
> On Friday, December 28, 2018, 5:53:52 PM EST, Robert Heath <
> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  How funny!
>
> I was just about to post to the list the results of my own analysis,
> conducted last night at 4 am when I couldn't sleep.
>
> I looked up the # of points achieved by the 2nd place team in the last 10
> seasons. The highest was 93 (twice) and the lowest an incredibly jammy 79
> by Hull. The average is 88, but if you take out Hull's ridiculous outlier,
> it becomes 89. Since we are Leeds, we all know we will need to do better
> than that, so yeah I agree that 90 wood seem to be a realistic target.
>
> Here's an interesting stat though. If you look at the # of pts by the team
> finishing 3rd each season, the promotion cutoff total is often reduced. Eg
> last year Cardiff went up with 90, but the 3rd place team got 88, so 89
> would still have been OK for Cardiff. On that basis, the pts needed in each
> of the last 10 seasons, working back, have been..89 - 86 - 89 - 87
> - 86 - 78 - 87 - 81 - 80 - 81.and the average is 84.4.
>
> I reckon if we can win 12 of our last 22 games we'll be up.
>
> And don't forget, of the 5 other teams in the top 6, we have already played
> 4 of them away (3 wins, 1 defeat.)
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 9:23 PM Altruistic1964 via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> > Also been number crunching. Since the Championship came into being, on
> > average the Champions have attained 93 points, second 87 points and a
> play
> > off place 74 points. So all looking very good. I too am trying to find
> > solace in statistics
> >
> > Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone
> >
> >  Simon McNally wrote 
> >
> > >Evening
> > >Been trying to convince myself that this is going to be our year and
> have
> > been trying to come up with some numbers to support it!
> > >Points required : I think 90 points is a reasonable amount to be sure of
> > promotion ( although I can hear the announcers on sky saying “Leeds
> finish
> > third with a record haul for third place”).
> > >
> > >First half of the season : 48 points.
> > >
> > >This leaves 42 required for promotion - i reckon 11 wins and 9 draws.
> > >A win against Blackburn reduces it to 10 wins 9 draws.
> > >
> > >Comparison to first half : I think another way of looking at it is to
> > compare results in second half to first half. All the same results we
> > finish on 96 points, 6 more then required. A win against Blackburn puts
> us
> > +3 compared to first half for a total of 99, 9 more than required. Hull
> > tomorrow is important (as they all are) , a win keeps us on pace for 99
> > whereas a draw puts us on for 97. Forest on New Year’s Day is
> interesting-
> > we drew at ER so a draw would put us on pace for 99 still whereas a win
> > puts us up by 2.
> > >Also makes WBA home perhaps less key - anything better than loss
> > represents progress!
> > >I think the first half of the season contained harder fixtures- Millwall
> > away plus WBA, Norwich, Blades, Derby away.
> > >I’m already at the stage where I’m terrified just watching but trying to
> > use numbers to calm my nerves!
> > >To my mind the major factor is Bielsa. We have the best manager in the
> > division and if anyone can lead us through to glory it’s him!
> > >
> > >On and on!
> > >
> > >S
> > >
> > >PS Blackburn game reminded me so much of Hull game in 1990. Is that an
> > omen?
> > >
> > >
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[LU] It will stand

[Damian Walsh]

Leeds doing (relatively) well, Bielsa on the way to filling the gap between
Revie and Wilko, supporters plutot happy and I've seen John Lee posting to
the list.

Why is Youtube showing wall to wall Northern Soul and why can't I get
Darrel Banks out of my head.

I'm sure there's a link

Damian
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Re: [LU] Scores So Far

[Damian Walsh]

We did even better when we had Billy Bremner and Johnny Giles..

Damian


> [.]  We do well when no player is an automatic choice.
>
> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 11:32:16 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)
> Subject: Re: [LU] Scores So Far
>
> Well balanced and realistic, I'd maybe rate jannson, hernandez and
> Phillips at 7.5, the later purely on how far he has come.   We should be
> positive that we're still only a few months into Bielsa's reign, but
> nervous about burn out and injuries.  The last month shows that we can deal
> with 1 or 2 but not 3 or 4.   All in all, its a good time to be a leeds
> fans and we get few of them so should enjoy it.
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Kevin Lewis
> (UK SBS) 
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:52:42 PM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Scores So Far
>
> Evening all,
> With the help of Sky, the red button, and actually attending a couple of
> games.  I've seen a lot of the team this season.
> Here are my ratings of the players so far. (6 = adequate for play-off
> team, 7=adequate for promotion team)
>
> Peacock-Farrell - 7 Just.  Was expecting goalkeeping to be an area of
> concern, but it and he has not.
> Ayling - 6 Started really well, showing what we missed last season. Poor
> performances of late.  Is he missing Hernandez on the right?
> Jansson - 7. Starts in place of Berardi for me. Dominant in the air and a
> threat on set-pieces.
> Cooper - 7. Best season ever.  One or two mistakes, but left-footed
> passing from the back has been important.
> Douglas - 6.  An improvement over last season's left backs, but  not
> produced enough of his famed deliveries from that side.
> Phillips - 7. Most improved player. Important in filling the gap when
> centre backs go wide, has hit a number of great long passes + some bad ones.
> Kilch - 7. Another revelation under Bielsa.
> Hernandez -7.  Missing him at the moment, for his creativity when Saiz is
> marked out of the game.
> Saiz - 7. Other teams  beginning to close him down now.  Lost his goal
> threat completely
> Alioski - 5.  Works hard, but does not make the most of opportunities.
> Decent reserve left-back.
> Roofe - 7.  Surpassed expectations.  But to be fair was the best striker
> last season too.
>
> Berardi - 7.  Revelation at Centre Back, but I would not start him in
> place of Jansson or Cooper. See how he does at right Back while Ayling is
> out.
> Shackleton - 6.  Did not do a lot wrong in his outings.
> Baker - 6.   Like his attitude.
> Forshaw - 6. 1st couple of appearances were tentative, much better against
> Brentford but not done enough to get a start IMO.
> Harrison  - 5.   Some good stuff, but not enough of it.
> Bamford - 6. Was hoping for a bit more, but his injury and the form of
> Roofe have gone against him so far.
> Roberts - 6. Done all we could ask for of a youngster.
> Dallas 3 - Not seen anything from him to justify him being on the pitch.
> 3rd choice at best in any position.
>
> Not seen enough of Blackman, Pearce, Shaughnessy, Edmondson or Clarke.
> But I have to say that Clarke produced more in 20 mins than Dallas has all
> season, so he should get a place on the bench or even a start while
> Hernandez is injured.
>
> Regarding strengthening, I think we are still a centre-back short and
> possibly a proven Centre Forward, although I would not want to hold Roberts
> back too much.
> We could probably do with a really fast left winger that makes the
> opposition shit themselves, to replace Alioski in the starting  line-up and
> forget Dallas completely.
>
>
> KOT
>
>
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Re: [LU] want to feel that bit older?

[Damian Walsh]

Good article, but I always thought that "thinker" was spelt "w - a - n - k
- e - r"

Damian

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 11:31 AM Nick  wrote:

> "Harry Kewell, who will turn 40 later this month..."
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/07/harry-kewell-frank-rijkaard-notts-county
> <
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Re: [LU] Kids

[Damian Walsh]

What a thread to welcome us out of hibernation along with the green shoots
of the Bielsa revival :)..

1996 - had 2, now 5. They are all Leeds supporters though some a bit more
vaguely than others.

The eldest 2 have been to Elland Road but it was a traumatic match - the 1
- 0 defeat to Fulham under O' Dreary which (for me anyway) marked a
tangible starting point to our subsequent decline - so none of us have been
back since. In any case, the five year old just wanted to fight the Fulham
fans after they scored and as she's in her twenties now she'd get arrested.
She does live in Leeds though at the moment, being a post-grad student at
whatever they call Leeds Met nowadays.

Congratulations to the new father BTW!

Damian



On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 2:26 AM, Neil Hackett  wrote:

> Joined around 1999.
>
> Now have a 12 year old boy. I tried him at football but he prefers rugby,
> and is a solid scrum half. No real interest in Leeds.
>
> And an 11 year old girl. A good centre mid but she much prefers, and does
> better at (ice hockey).
> My God we are all old.
>
> Just to aggravate you all...
>
> I watched the second half of the Swansea game and thought we did well. We
> forced them into countless turnovers. That is how you score against an
> organized team.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Øystein Bjøndal Lund 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it really that long time ago?
> >
> > Put in other words; am I really that old?
> >
> > Unfortunately, yes. It also means we have been out of the top flight for
> a man-age or something …
> >
> >
> >
> > I joined the list “a few days” (it must have been) after the t-shirt… at
> the time of vax.ox something. My company had the email system on a
> mainframe the time as well, and how I found the list I have no idea.
> >
> > Some of the highlights include walking around studying the Yorkshire
> house architecture with Betty, on our way to a Leeds ladies game, mind. We
> eventually got there, as well, to see some of it.
> >
> > And there were this ascii map (look it up!) to go from Derby train
> station to my first ever list meet at Brunswick (how come I still remember
> these things, my oldest son was transported in a buggy - was seated on my
> lap - and at Elland Road some days later he was not allowed to the lap, or
> at lest had to buy a seat for him, that he could not use, was too little…)
> >
> > There are a plenty full of more highlights, and even more memories…
> >
> > This son, Torleif, came on a tour with me to see us vs Luton together
> with 27 136 others, March 2007, he was then 11… Meaning we were already on
> our way down at the time. Also meaning he is now 22, and couldn’t care less
> about football nor Leeds United. He is only member of the LUSC of
> Scandinavia because I pay, and did in all these years…
> >
> > His 3 years younger brother, is also still a LUSCOS member for the same
> reason, but he even never wanted to come over with me to attend a game (!)…
> >
> > Neither of them are interested in any footy side, not in any footy
> competition, etc. I wonder where did I go wrong? (At least they don’t
> support the foe)
> >
> > I have been over from time to time, but not as frequent as from 1995 and
> the more or less 10 next years…
> >
> > Back to Lurk mode
> >
> > Øystein
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Tum Ti Tum

[Damian Walsh]

> Should be like cricket - team captain allowed an appeal - only one for
> football, or how about 3 appeals but a team loses one for each yellow
> card..
>
> Damian
>
> Talking of cricket I played last year for the first time in more than 30
> years. I enjoyed it so much I'm going to play again this year :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Tim Leslie  wrote:
>
>> Seeing as we're all bored, just a quick moan about VAR if that's OK???
>>
>> I've argued for years that Referees need a professional backup to do
>> their job, in the 21st Century. Goal line technology is fantastic and the
>> concept of video technology I fully support, TYPICALLY, for Footballing
>> authorities, it is being appallingly implemented and I think, in ONE
>> fundamental area, they've got it ALL. TOTALLY. WRONG.
>>
>> Italy's penalty last night was, in my humble opinion, never a penalty. If
>> we're going to give them out when someone accidently steps on someone's
>> foot (Who has lost control of the ball anyway), we might as well all pack
>> up and go home. Stupid. Anyway, the referee gave a corner, the Italians ALL
>> insisted it was a corner. That HAS to be the end of it. It simply HAS to be
>> down to the referee, not some faceless individual hidden away who then
>> confuses everyone and holds up play to make a decision such as that. That
>> wasn't, as is written in the VAR guidelines, a "clearly wrong decision ...
>> made in conjunction with the award or non-award of a penalty kick" - debate
>> reigns today across the football world as to whether or not it was penalty
>> ... hardly clearly wrong if you ask me!.
>>
>> Conspiracy theorists of the World can unite IF that sort of decision is
>> made by a German, against England, in a World Cup Final (Fat chance I know,
>> but you get the gist!) OR a Brazilian against Argentina etc. etc.
>>
>> My biggest and, really only, argument against it is that it HAS to be
>> used ONLY by the referee, when he (or she) is not certain about such a
>> decision. Last nights example; Corner. That is what the referee,
>> confidently, gave at the time. So all those 'traditionalists' who moan "Oh
>> you can't have that, it will take all the debate out of the pub and spoil
>> the fun" ... clearly it won't, people would still argue it was a penalty
>> today. If the referee, a 40 something year old man, struggling to keep up
>> with a bunch of millionaire athletes who ping a ball around WAY faster than
>> any human can move and are TAUGHT and train at how to cheat!, see's someone
>> go down in the penalty area and they are CONVINCED it was a foul. Penalty,
>> there and then. Done. IF, and only if, he may be unsure (HE, no-one else)
>> then he should be able to call in VAR to help HIM make the decision. I
>> suspect if this was the case, many many more Yellows would be shown at the
>> time, thereby punishing the cheats, rather than in retrospect, when the
>> points have been won or lost.
>>
>> That's all really, just felt the need to use you all as my VAR therapist
>> .. Dr Mike, how much would that be at normal rates??!?! :)
>>
>> Toodle Pip
>>
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Re: [LU] Oh great

[Damian Walsh]

2013 Barolo (Fontafredda, so cheap) for me tonight. Nice enough but more
interesting was the 1990 Armagnac afterwards.

However it is looking like it was a big mistake to sack Christiansen. And
instead of new manager effect, we have full-on instability effect - I don't
entirely agree with Rich that the players aren't good enough, I think that
they could be better, very much better, under different circumstances.

Glad that Grot scored - I hope he will get some support from the terraces.
But otherwise it is a depressing time. Who would have thought that we would
go bckwards?

Damian

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:24 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Too right Dr Mike, they were trying, trying their arses off but isn't it
> completely obvious that most of the players in that team are nowhere near
> good enough to play in a team who has top 6 ambitions. We've relied heavily
> on Siaz and Hernandez this season and when they've been absent or having a
> nightmare as Hernandez did today we look clueless.
> I was supposed to be staying out in Leeds for a few beers tonight but
> after that I just did a swerve for the train and I am now sat a bit happier
> with my glass of vino tinto.
> But reflecting, just makes this worse. One fact, which I'm sure everyone
> who was at the game today will state is that Sheff Wed were the poorest
> team that have come to ER this season and yes that includes Burton. They
> were clueless, slow and had a big lump up front who gave us more problems
> that he should have. George Boyd who I thought was a decent player looks
> finished and in general they looked like a team incapable of winning this
> match.
> So what does that say about us ? For me, Hecky is turning us into
> Barnsley. I don't see any signs that he is having a positive affect ?
> There's been absolutely no 'new manager affect' and if anything I see a
> system and players that appear far more pedestrian than they did under the
> hapless Thomas Christiansen. Hecky's main changes have been the keeper (yes
> that was forced) and bringing back Dallas and Ekuban. It hasn't worked and
> today and whilst Dr Mike was right in that there was clearly a lot of
> effort there was nobody capable of hurting Wednesday.
> Their goals were really worrying. Pennington for me has failed. I thought
> he looked like a player but their second showed he hasn't got the strength
> or the defensive nouse to be a top defender. You also have to ask where he
> was for the first goal ? The defence was all over the shop today not helped
> by bringing in a yound lad for his debut. Like a lot of modern day, young
> defenders, Pearce looks the part and to give him credit he showed second
> half that he has a nice left foot, but FFS he's a defender and to be honest
> I think I know how to defend better than him and the number of times he put
> his defence under pressure with stupid back passes. A poor debut for me.
> I was hoping it might get snowed off second half. It was a miserable
> afternoon even a goal from Grot couldn't cheer things up. He's worth a
> start now though and I do think with confidence he will make it despite
> some horror shows this season.
> Scores:
> Farelly Peacock - 5. Made a couple of saves. He's not the answer for me
> though.
> Beradi - 4. Tried as captain to get things going but he couldn't also
> suspect defending.
> Pearce - 3. Poor defending. He's not in the team to play 40 yard left foot
> passes.
> Jansson - 5. I thought he looked shaky but not surprising given his
> co-defenders
> Pennington - 2. Really poor. I think he will going back to everton at the
> end of the season and they wil surely terminate his contract if they've
> been watching him.
> Forshaw - 7. I thought that was possibly his best game for us. He really
> worked his arse off and actually drove forward whe he could.
> O'Kane - 2. Did he do owt ?
> Dallas - 2. Come on Hecky ? You've given this guy a chance but he's
> clearly got nothing to offer. A totally average player. In fact average is
> flattering him.
> Hernandez - 5. Had more of the ball than anyone but he just kept giving it
> away. Not a good day for Pablo.
> Allioski - 5. First half he tried but just didn't have the ability to hurt
> them.
> Ekuban - 1. Had the chances , missed them. Poor.
> Subs:
> Lasogga - did make a difference
> Grot - scored . I think that's the 7th goal of his career
> Philips - why ?
> Crowd - big, cold and pissed off.
> Hecky - if Cellino was in charge he'd be a gonner and that might not be a
> bad call ?
> More red wine for me ...
>
> On Saturday, 17 March 2018, 17:05:11 GMT, Michael Benjamin <
> m...@myray.com> wrote:
>
>  I cannot remember laughing at a defeat.
> The worst thing was they were trying.
> Something is awfully  wrong. Bit I am not smart enough to say what
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of
> {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Sent: 17 

Re: [LU] 17years ago

[Damian Walsh]

Jim - how did you get your ticket for the match? That's where I was - plus
about a 100 other Leeds fans who I'd never met before but when, on the
morning of the game, they discovered that they couldn't buy tickets because
they were English, but I could because I had a French ID card we soon got
hooked up :)


I just relived that game because my veterans tea maintained its 100% record
last week with the same goal that Figo scored - a sliced attempted cross
that hit a divot and went in.

Damian

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Jim Moran  wrote:

> Madrid I was in the home
> end, on the halfway line on the front row of the second tier tickets were
> €20! We never looked like we'd win but pushed them close, as well as Raul's
> handball goal to win it 3-2.
>
>
>
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[LU] A healthy list :)

[Damian Walsh]

I'm afraid that it's time to take the road show out and start signing up
students to the list. I know that we made a conscious decision 20 years ago
to hound them off, but we didn't imagine then that one day we'd all be 20
years older and that one day (now for example) we might prefer to read
youthful gobshit (is that a word?) rather than the septuagenarian (or
worse!) stuff we have to put up with now.

Of course you reap that which you sow and we've only got ourselves to blame
for years of exaggerated respect for the elderly - but it's not too late to
change that.

I don't want to be completely ageist - after all if all goes to plan I will
be old myself one day - but can I suggest that we replace the LU/NonLU
subject prefixes with FT/AMO so that an unsuspecting lister may know in
advance if he is going to be bitten by False Teeth or All My Own...

Damian
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Re: [LU] Worried....

[Damian Walsh]

On this brief look, it seems to me that Roofe's problem is that he's not
fast enough - either that or the Leicester defenders are too fat to run
around in time :)

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:23 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> and fucking Roofe - he's crap
>
>
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Damian Walsh]

Moaning? Rich I think that it the nicest match report you've ever done - we
must be good :)

Damian

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 8:30 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> Top of the league - stop moaning (that's me predicting the replies to this
> match report and that's fair enough.
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Leeds 1 BCFC 0

[Damian Walsh]

All her tits? Where?

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 10:43 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  and to top it all Emma and her tits are on now !
> On Tuesday, 12 September 2017, 21:42:05 BST, Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   that was really hard work - I saw about 60 mins due to shitty VPN
> viewing.
> I thought brum had some really good players.
> Lesogga hardly touched the ball but it was his shot that created the game.
> Cooper crocked again, hope Pennington is fit again.
> Beradi came on.
> Dallas goal.
> Top of the league - I  can't believe it. These are happy days
> On Tuesday, 12 September 2017, 20:29:17 BST, John Boocock <
> j...@boocock.net> wrote:
>
>  Saiz 17 minutes.
>
> Sent from the North!
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Re: [LU] Burton

[Damian Walsh]

Fck off Guy - it was yesterday and will be tomorrow . :)

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Guy Thornton 
wrote:

>  delight and joy of the 7-0 against Southampton as out best ever, albeit
> 45 years
> ago.
>
> guy
>
>
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Re: [LU] Full list of ins / outs (assiming windows closed for us ?)

[Damian Walsh]

Regardless of the high-profile departures and regardless of the sums
involved, I think this summer has, for us, completed a transition from a
selling club to a buying club.

And credit where it is due - Cellino started off that transition, and I
don't think that we would be anywhere near where we are today without him.
Football being what it is, I'm sure that one day or another someone else
would have turned up but be that as it may, we truly can hail Cellino as
the Saviour of Leeds (at least for this boom & bust cycle anyway).

I'd buy him a beer.

Damian

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:32 AM, MATTHEW GAYNOR <
matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Would also need to add in the money paid to players 'who left by mutual
> consent' - i suspect its break even at best
> Matt
>
>   From: Richard Naef 
>  To: Richard Walker ; {broken-address} Richard
> Walker ; "nat...@sky.com" <
> nat...@sky.com>; Leeds List ; Michael Benjamin <
> m...@myray.com>
>  Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017, 9:18
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Full list of ins / outs (assiming windows closed for us
> ?)
>
> I think those figures for wood and Taylor are including possible add-ons
> not money guaranteed.
>
> Sent from my Mobile
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Re: [LU] Full list of ins / outs (assiming windows closed for
> us ?)
> From: Richard Walker
> To: {broken-address} Richard Walker ,nat...@sky.com,Leeds List ,Michael
> Benjamin ,Richard Naef
> CC:
>
> Wood - £18 mill
> Taylor - £7
> Bridcutt - £1 mill
>
> On Friday, 1 September 2017, 08:38:04 BST, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I think the incoming money is closer to £22million and outgoing £16m. On
> top of that the new deals for lots of first teamers and the money paid for
> the club and the ground I don't think AR's pockets are bulging. Sure in the
> long run I think he's in it to make big bucks, but I think he's a proper
> business man who understands the need to invest. He's also spent time and
> money on the U23s Kun Temenuzhkov looks like a real future star.
>
> Sent from my Mobile
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Full list of ins / outs (assiming windows closed for us
> ?)
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
> To: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> ,nat...@sky.com,Leeds
> List ,Michael Benjamin
> CC:
>
> not disagreeing Dr and playing devil's advocate. I haven't been as excited
> about Leeds since Mark Gavin scored the winner at Rotherham. I will also be
> having a drink in the new Foster's bar next week.
> However the question still stands - he pocketed around £26 million for
> Wood, Taylor and Bridcutt and without adding it up all the incomings do not
> exceed that so nice profit for him.
> Also, you could argue that he sold our best player and 30 goals a season
> striker and replaced him with a loan signing. We all know about loan
> signings.
> On Friday, 1 September 2017, 05:47:57 BST, Michael Benjamin <
> m...@myray.com> wrote:
>
> If that is your question, I feel sorry for you.
> Ask, how have we profited? Moreover, if you really cannot see it, then
> I'll tell you.
> It is not, 'so far, so good.'
> AR has been a revelation.
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post
> AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
> myRay: Online CBT
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org boun...@gn.apc.org>] On Behalf Of {broken-
> |address} Richard Walker
> |Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:23 PM
> |To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> |Subject: Re: [LU] Full list of ins / outs (assiming windows closed for us
> ?)
> |
> |How much profit has the owner made out of that ?
> |
> |From: nat...@sky.com >To: Leeds List
> |>Sent: Thursday, 31
> August 2017, 20:11:08 BSTSubject:
> |[LU] Full list of ins / outs (assiming windows closed for us ?) Taken
> from waccoe
> |  Ins:  Hadi Sacko(Lisbon), Pontus Jansson(Torino), Mateusz Klich(FC
> |Twente), Felix Wiedwald(Werder Bremen), Vurnon Anita(Newcastle), Samuel
> |Saiz(SD Huesca), Caleb Ekuban(Chievo Verona), Ezgjan Alioski(Lugano),
> Matthew
> |Pennington(Everton - Loan), Cameron Borthwick-Jackson(Man Utd - Loan),
> Jay-
> |Roy Grot(NEC), Andy Lonergan(Wolves), Pawel Cibicki(Malmo), Pierre-Michel
> |Lasogga(Hamburg - Loan)
> |
> |Development team: Madgar Gomes(Liverpool), Josh Rae(Celtic), Bryce
> |Hosannah(Crystal Palace), Oriol Rey Erenas(Barcelona), Hugo Diaz(Deportivo
> |Fabril), Alex Machuca(Rayo Vallecano), Adrain Balboa(U.D. Unificación
> |Bellvitge), Ousama 

Re: [LU] Anticpated squad at end of day

[Damian Walsh]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:49 PM, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

>
> Given the strength in depth that we now seem to have ,
>

And the money we've spent and where we are in the table (and etc)...

Gary Monk must have some regrets.


HAHAHAHA

Am I first with the shadenfreude? Hope it isn't too soon :)

Damian

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Re: [LU] Gayle

[Damian Walsh]

I think that the quoted 18M is too much by a factor of 2 or even 3 for
someone who allegedly has a fragile temperament.

In any case his wages are probably prohibitive as well.

Damian

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> Looks like Fulham are going to sign him.
>
> On paper would seem to be a perfect replacement for Wood, not in style but
> in proven goal scoring ability.  But I wonder, why would Newcastle get rid,
> there is some talk of his injury being more serious than thought and/or
> attitude problems.  Plus he would likely cost more than we got for Wood.
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
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Re: [LU] Fulham

[Damian Walsh]

God save us from wind-up merchants. You know that poor old Blighty is
desperate for the 1€87 or whatever it is that a fiver is worth now. Expect
the price to go down next year.

Indeed it's only remittances from hard-working ex-pats that's saving the
country from complete bankruptcy.

Damian :)

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:05 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> So why is this only available to overseas fans ?
> I imagine the assumption is that they can't get to away games (and home
> games). Well, having tried to get a ticket for an away game this season I
> realised I didn't have a cat in hells chance given my part-time (almost
> non-time) attendance at away games last season. So I will end up listening
> on Radio Leeds whilst Tony from Sydey as a front row seat for £5.
> Overseas fans might say if they lived in the UK they would attend all
> games.
> So why did overseas fans go abroad anyway ? Can't have loved their footy
> that match ?
> Or  in the case of overseas fans born in other countries , why do they
> support Leeds instead of their local team ?
> Not sure whether they deserve this privilege ?
>
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Re: [LU] Penalties - Change of Format

[Damian Walsh]

Does that mean that you have to win by 2 clear goals if you're still tied
after 5?

Damian

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:18 PM, ROGER goodair 
wrote:

>
> Forgive me for being simplistic folks, but haven't they just "stolen" the
> format
> from the tennis tie break?
>
> Rog
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[LU] Flame wars R us

[Damian Walsh]

>From either age or boredom I find myself thinking that ManU would be just
about the worthiest PL winners this year and I even sort of hope that that
other team I've always despised - Huddersfield - do well too.

Maybe it's because there's a sense of renewed hope for us that is giving me
a little bit of interest in the PL after so long sans...

:)

Damian
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Re: [LU] non LU - Sorry.....

[Damian Walsh]

Yes but one does politics & the other sells fried chichen!

Damian

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> Both he and Saunders tapped into deep resentment of a failed manipulative
> system.
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Re: [LU] non LU - Sorry.....

[Damian Walsh]

Amazingly enough it does look like Corbyn's time has come.

But I don't think he'll get the chance because that will take an election
and I think that the Tory Party will do everything to avoid that for a year
or two.

So you'll probably end up with Boris Johnson.

Damian

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> agreed, but in all arguments when someone says "Sack Him" you need an
> alternative.
>
> What is your suggestion for an alternative ?
>
>
> ------
> *From:* Damian Walsh <pussaydam...@gmail.com>
> *To:* leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, 16 June 2017, 20:28
> *Subject:* [LU] non LU - Sorry.
>
>  But May has got to go.
>
> Whatever your politics!, All I can see is an inept fuckup who is a disgrace
> to an office held honourably by her fellow Conservatives Disraeli,
> Churchill and Ted Heath amongst others.
>
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