Re: [LU] Championship

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

What are we thinking for the team next year?

I’m assuming Gnonto and Summerville will be off, hopefully we get some fees for 
the loan players that jumped ship. Have heard suggestions that they might try 
to cash in on Meslier too.

With the parachute payments hopefully we can get a decent team together.
The hope that I’m clinging to is that the 49s aren’t in this to make up the 
numbers and will invest in the squad.

Here’s what I’m thinking :
New GK
New RB
CB Ampadu
CB Struijk
LB Firpo (can’t see there being any offers for him)
CM Gray (fingers crossed he stays)
CM Gruev
RW James
CAM Rutter (if he stays - could we sign a new 10 and play Rutter on the wing?)
New LW
New CF (I’d like to see Joseph get a run)

S

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Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 10:20:38 AM
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Championship

"None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them."
I thought that after we lost to QPR tbh, if a team chasing automatic
promotion can get hammered by a team struggling to stay up then I'd hate to
see that team face Citeh, Arse or even Scum.

On Mon, 27 May 2024, 09:47 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Team didn’t turn up unlike us lot who did at great expense. It was
> Doncaster revisited and I hate Wembley and hope I never return.
> I’ve got nothing to say about the match other than Summerville played in
> gloves, the match passed Piroe by and Rutter showed us that he hasn’t been
> the same player since his op.
> None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them. We
> got excited by the Norwich game but let’s face facts, they were rubbish.
> On the last train out of Kings X there were a lot of very fed up fans but
> all agreed that this team is a 100% championship team with a manager who is
> a 100% championship manager.
> Be interested to see who jumps ship and actually who wants to buy them ?
>
>
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Re: [LU] Championship

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I feel similar.
Maybe because I didn’t expect us to win I’m not too disappointed.
Thought we started brightly but faded.
Too slow and predictable in the build up (as we have been for a while), hard to 
say if that’s on Farke or the players (or both).
Seen a lot of calls for Farke to go. Two schools of thought though I guess.
Can you sack someone who got 90 points and was one game away from promotion? Do 
we need more instability by changing manager again? How much would it cost as 
he’s on a 3 year deal?
The other side would say he’s been out thought by Martin three times now, 
doesn’t have a plan b other than to chuck a load of attackers on or a plan a 
really other than hope Jimmy or Rutter do something amazing.
The football has been a bit slow and dull too.
I’m not sure which I agree with , maybe a bit of both.

Enjoyed my Wembley experience (particularly how quick it was to get a beer in 
the ground) up to the actual game!

S

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Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 8:08:18 AM
To: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Championship

Funny enough that's sort of how the aftermath feels like too.

I'm numbly upset but no great passion - all a bit vague really, bit like
the match :)

Damian

Le dim. 26 mai 2024 à 22:25, Graham White via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :

>  "like watching paint dry".
>
>
> Started so positive & on the front foot for most of the first 10, solid &
> determined - and then came the first defensive wobble when they broke down
> our right…
> I hoped that would act as a wake up call but didn’t… Sure enough soon they
> scored while Rodon & Amps stood pointing at each other & Archie
> unfortunately had dropped too far so played Armstrong on…
>
> From that moment on we never really looked like getting into the game
> again.
>
> Too many of our players didn’t believe in it (and that has to be laid on
> Farke) - but the one that did was the first to be replaced which summed
> quite a lot up.
>
> Rutter & Cree were well below par, and should’ve been replaced on the hour
> at least. Gruev & Kamara struggled to get anything going - and not once did
> we see the triangulation play between Kamara, Cree, Rutter & Firps which
> have become a bit of our speciality this season…
>
> And the combination Rutter/Piroe hasn’t worked well ever & won’t work in
> the future either if one of them keeps insisting on not interacting with
> the other. Another thing for DF to sort out.
> Maybe he should let one of them go. There’s no indication that Rutter will
> find his form from before the break & operation again… on his current
> showing he’s a big question mark.
>
> Anyway, thought Dan James did well when he came on, desperately unlucky
> with his effort, and at least we did try hard in the end to force a goal.
>
> Too little too late as the saying goes.
>
> Next season can’t start too soon. Not looking forward to the summer of
> silly season crap but that’s what it is.
>
> Hope and pray for a few good additions and that we don’t lose too many of
> our most influential players. Our squad was never big enough this season so
> additions are needed.
>
> Why not try and find a left back who can defend? Heard that one before?
> Wish list can become long!
>
> Realistically we won’t be able to keep Willy or Cree, but let’s hope
> Archie stays!
>
> /Raffe
>
>
> My iPhone
>
> > On 26 May 2024, at 18:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > There we are. Encapsulates the season. Loads of possession. Shit set
> > pieces. Pathetic shooting.
> >
> > I think the management are happier in the championship, where they can
> win
> > more than they lose, without having to take any risks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Inline images
> >
> > The Harwellian Club
> > Westfield
> > Harwell
> > Oxon
> > OX11 0LG
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Re: [LU] That there London

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I’m on the club coach.
3 and a half hours from start to finish to get tickets for match and coach.
Nearly smashed my phone when it kicked me out of the payment system and made me 
queue again.

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Subject: [LU] That there London

Anyone driving to London, Steve Gillen needs a lift.
Apart from the flatulence he's the perfect passenger or Driver (doesn't drink)
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Re: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I think a lot will depend upon the first few minutes.
If we come out in a positive manner and look good I think the fans will be 
supportive.
If we see a repeat of the QPR or Sunderland games I think the crowd will get a 
bit tetchy.
It will also be interesting to see the team he picks. I read before that some 
of the fringe players like Joffy have been withdrawn from the 23s this week.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:49:18 AM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction

I wonder what mood ( apart from resignation) the crowd wil be in on Saturday. 
Will the players and Farke be treated as heroes for turning a season around, 
getting to within an inch of automatic promotion despite the huge points gap at 
times, and gaining an unbelievable 90pts ORWill they be treated as bottle jobs 
who let us and themselves down when it really counted especially the abject 
capitulation at QPR ?
Both reactions are understandable and reasonable.
Will it be affected by anything happening at Ipswich? How leeds would it be to 
hear Huddersfield have won then concede a last minute equaliser anyway ?
Personally i think overall they have done a fantastic job and need our full 
backing in the play offs but i totally understand the opposite point of view 
that they failed ( so far ) when it really mattered.
I know which of my match going mates will take which  view

Been seeing/ hearing a lot re play off statistics - 36 % of teams coming 3rd 
get promoted but leeds have lost all 5 play off attempts and have lost every 
final since 1972 in various competitions,  so it is very much a lottery
Finally i want to put on record (again) what a fraud the play off final is . It 
gets all the razzmatazz and build up of a real final but should be something we 
are ashamed to be at - 2 teams not good enough to go up properly.  Yes i will 
really enjoy the victory if we manage it but still think it is a fraud

Dave
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Re: [LU] Qpr

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I’d have saved at least two of those and I’m 48 with a knackered back and 
shoulder.

Absolutely horrific from minute one.
How do they get up for the playoffs from here?

Farke has a lot of explaining to do.

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To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Andy Brown 

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Subject: Re: [LU] Qpr

Saved our worst performance for the most important game of the season.  Can’t 
get more Leeds than that. Very, very depressing.


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On Friday, April 26, 2024, 9:03 PM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

You’re the lucky one Dave :-(



> On 26 Apr 2024, at 18:25, Andy Brown  wrote:
>
> Can you not get some other man to do a job for you? Priorities and all that.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 26 Apr 2024, at 17:53, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>>
>> There ya go, a man with real Yorkshire balls!
>>
>> This Dave Nattan is turning into a right old Boocock type, always whinging 
>> eh?
>>
>> OzPete
>>
>> 2.52am here in Dubbo… 5am kick-off, what’s the problem again?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Richard Walker 
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2024 2:47 AM
>> To: Peter Castlehouse ; nat...@sky.com; 'leeds list' 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Qpr
>>
>>
>>
>> You need to get her better trained Dave. My missus would not even ask the 
>> question and would have got a friend lined up for the theatre as soon as the 
>> Friday fixture was announced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sheff Utd away - it took ages to get way from the ground and the Motorway 
>> was rammed - lots of horn blowing and cross car banter. Managed to get back 
>> for end of Scum game then straight to local boozer where we danced on the 
>> tables with the bar manager who was a massive Leeds fan. Great day !
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024, 5:37 PM, Peter Castlehouse >  > wrote:
>>
>> Oh, how I hate whingers!
>> Take the lass out, it's not as if it's the last game of the season or 
>> anything important!
>>
>> OzPete
>> t'original one
>>
>>
>> From: Leedslist >  > On Behalf Of nattan--- via Leedslist
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2024 12:38 AM
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> >
>> Subject: [LU] Qpr
>>
>> Nerves starting to kick in. A win is essential,  i would think, and even 
>> that may not be enough - by 8pm when Hull play Ipswich their slim chance of 
>> making the play offs could be mathematically possilbe but totally 
>> unrealistic ( if wba and Norwich win in the afternoon Hull need a huge goal 
>> difference swing and for them both to lose their last game  ) - Coventry are 
>> already out of the play offs, so it is not that hard to see  Ipswich winning 
>> their last 3 , albeit they will be under huge pressure if we do win tonight 
>> Sky tv have totally f***ed me up ! I have tickets at the lowry theatre 
>> booked for  my wife and i tonight . When l booked i thought " no football on 
>> a Friday" it will be fine I am recording the game and may even be home for 
>> the last few minutes , but i doubt i will be able to watch the game " as 
>> live" and not look at the score / result,  i could possibly do that for an 
>> unimportant game but not tonight.
>> The suggestion she go on her own turned the air blue to some tune, brought 
>> up the previous 2 times i had done that to her ( around 15 and 6 years ago 
>> respectively) but" at least that was to go to the ** game and not watch 
>> the *match on * tele you " "I take it thats a no then 
>> darling "was my only reply Oh well ce la vie
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [LU] Scared?

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I’ve got mates who support Ipswich and Leicester.
They’re both as terrified as we are.
The Ipswich one reckons they are out on their feet and the Leicester one thinks 
their heads have gone.
I guess the worry for us is the loss of our better players.
I suspect though that we won’t be under pressure to sell for less than market 
value like in the past.

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Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2024 12:13:42 PM
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Subject: [LU] Scared?

I was talking to an Ipswich mate, and my general assessment of them is they’ve 
had an amazing season, but if they go up they’ll get battered every week - they 
simply won’t score enough goals against PL defences. His response was that if 
they didn’t go up, he was scared that they’d lose McKenna (presumably to West 
Han or Brighton, if vacancies arrive).

So what are we scared of, if we don’t go up? I think we see the breakup of this 
team, and that’s worries me. It’s not like Bielsa’s first season, where we kept 
the team we had. We WILL lose - have to lose, financially - players like 
Gnonto, Cree and Rutter. Maybe not Archie this year, but DF would be starting 
from scratch and you never really know how a player is going to bed in, and if 
that causes the same disruption in September that the comings and goings caused 
last September, we could find ourselves chasing the pack once again.

I just hope that we’ve done some work on the outcasts - what happens to 
Harrison, Aaronson, Rasmus et al - if we are still an EFL team next year…

Ed.


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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I agree Dave.
I’m usually critical but I don’t think you can find fault overall with DF this 
season.
I too was expecting a miserable season but it’s been the best one since Bielsa.
I think generally he doesn’t like to make early subs . I heard an interview 
with him where he said one of the ways he felt he’d improved as a coach was not 
making rushed decisions, like changing things too early.
I’m not convinced by the wisdom of playing an out of form Bamford, or playing 
some really jaded looking players but it’s this strategy that’s got us where we 
are.
Personally I’d start Piroe for Rutter, Gnonto for James and Joseph for Bamford 
but I’d be very surprised if he makes that many changes.
Still all to play for and Ipswich and Leicester are feeling the pressure too.

S

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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 4:30:25 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Sunderland

2 things can be true at the same time.DF is a proven manager at this level, he 
has turned around a sinking ship, and given us a season miles better than we  
could have foreseen or even hoped.  I have just won a few quid ( for charity) 
off my match going son since he bet me in August that we would not finish top 6 
 ( play offs at least) and , largely down to DF we  achieved it with 6 games to 
go .At the same time we were awful on Tuesday,  he may have got his team 
selection wrong , perservering with Bamford ( and i am a big fan of his) who is 
in a slump instead of giving Piroe or Josep a start. Whatever the arguments 
there, i think the vast majority think he should have made a number of subs a 
lot earlier and he should have had the players showing more urgency in getting 
the ball forward. We did not manage a shot on target all game at home v a lower 
middle team with nothing at stake, and that was no where near good enough .Of 
course being given ( and scoring) a nailed on pen or getting a goal in the ( 
what should have been ) 5th or 6th minute of time added on would have given 
everything a different complexion. But we didn't and we dropped 2 points. So we 
are entitled to criiticise ( on here - i  hated hearing boos in the stadium at 
the end) and say that DF got it wrong Hopefully we will put things right over 
the next 4 games and Tuesday will be consigned to the bin and thought of the 
same as Barnsley under Wilko or Wigan (2nd time) under Bielsa , a bad day that 
counted for nothing in the end
Dave
On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:43:59 BST, Andy Clayton 
 wrote:

 I'm firmly in Paul's camp on this one.

Did any of you seriously in preseason or while the transfer window was open
expect that we'd do as well as we have so far?

I certainly didn't! I was expecting a season of rebuilding and was hopeful
of the play offs at a push.

Considering the turmoil around the takeover, the delay in appointing Farke,
the mess that Orta/Radz had left behind, the exodus of (our best?) players
wanting to leave, or worse still, actually leaving,do I need go on?

How many of us are glad that Georginio was/was made to look crap at the end
of last season. If he'd ended last season like he played at the back end of
last year, I'm sure he'd have been snapped up too.

In Farke I trust.

This is his team, he sees them every day, he knows them inside out, their
fitness level, what's going on at home (how many have recently become
fathers? Broken sleep much?), their mental state etc. If he decides to play
or not play anyone, then I trust in the bigger picture. He knows what he's
doing. We don't - at least I don't think any of us are successful Football
Managers?

It's not like he's won promotion to the premiership twice now, is it? I
mean.

Marching on Together

Andy C

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 22:29, Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> Du calme, du calme
>
> I've got a cigarette paper but I don't think that I can get it between any
> of us - even if you're all (me included) saying wildly different things.
>
> To answer Sean:
> "- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think
> Farke got the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the
> way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?-
> Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and
> then watch them pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring
> of playing down the left rather than the right for the vast majority of
> attempted attacks?"
>
> No I (we!) don't, but I'm sure that DF was more frightened about losing
> than about not winning and any money he sent his team out with that in
> mind. Frustrating though it is (and watch DF shouting at the spare ref at
> the end...) you can surely understand that. Let's just hope that DF
> realises that faint hearts never won fair maidens and that he also knows
> that success as a Leeds manager is binary. To be honest, there'll be 

Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

The transfer rumours page on bbc sport reckoned citeh would want £30m for him.
Seems steep given his lack of game time for two seasons.
He’s not coped with going from Bielsa, who built the team around him, to other 
coaches who expect him to fit in their style of play.


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Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:12:11 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin?


We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
£10m+

If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
and that's not really Kalvin's position.

Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.

Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
year than i will in my life.

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
the summer.
Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
classes.
And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
I think that ship might have sailed.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Leicester

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Agree with both of you.
First time in a long time we’ve had let’s go fucking mental from all sides of 
the ground. My knees and ankles weren’t quite as up for it as they were when I 
was in my twenties!

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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 1:33:57 PM
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Leicester

Absolutely spot on Rich.
Last night makes all the shit times seem worth it - that's what makes us
keep going.

When Archie's goal went in, it was mental. One of the best times ever at ER.

All 4 sides of the ground singing "let's go fukcing mental"! Unbelievable
stuff.

MOT

Ted H


On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, 13:04 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Very special night - right up there cos I just didn't see it coming. I
> thought we might scrape an equalised towards the end but the subs were
> inspired if not obvious. Bamford is a different level to Piroe and if
> there's one guy who is struggling in this team it's Piroe. He hasn't get
> the legs to harry and hassle and looks like someone who doesn't know how to
> play as a no 9 at this level. Shame, cos he knows where the goal
> is. Anyway, back to the night and I was in the West Stand in front of some
> old kid who commented that he'd never experienced anything quite like this
> in the West Stand. Everyone stood up for long periods dancing and singing
> "Let's go f;cking mental' . Archie's goal for me is in the top 10 goals of
> all time. I just love the bloke, so talented and for me he plays in
> midfield not as a right back (or left back). When that goal went in I
> hugged the bloke next to me and lifted him up, I think he was a taken aback
> but then for the 3rd he pounced on me. Fun in the stands that I haven't
> experienced for a while   and in the West Stand 
> I thought Leicester were great for the first 60 mins. Stopped us playing
> our game and basically stamped all over us. Summerville hardly touched the
> ball in the first half and Rutter was losing possession and marked out of
> the game. Their defence looked top draw and in Dewsbury-Hall (weird name,
> has anyone been to Dewsbury Town Hall ?) they had the best player on the
> pitch and arguably the best I've seen this season. Great passer , mover and
> can go past people with ease. Needs to be playing in the premier league.
> Hang on a minute though, there is another player just as good at going past
> people with ease and that's Rutter. After a poor first half he came alive,
> winning balls, setting up attacks and beating people. When he danced
> through the middle and was taken out for the 3rd goal free kick, surely
> that was a red card. He would have scored ! Anyway, didn't matter.
> How Leicester didn't finish off the game was beyond belief. Firpo was
> taken off as he was a liability and kept losing the ball (I don't think we
> can have him in the team cos he can't defend) and they had chance after
> chance including a disallowed goal that wasn't. If they'd got that 2nd I
> think it would have been a different result. They didn't and the rest is
> history. Nights like this are what you live for.
> Scores:
> Meslier - 8. Kept us in it with good saves in each half.
> Gray - 7. Torrid time against a good Leicester winger but he stuck to his
> job and did a better job than Firpo at left back. Shame his goal is going
> down as an OG.
> Firpo-5. Struggled 2nd half, looked tired and ragged.
> Ampadu - 7. Had to work hard but I loved the way he drove forward in that
> 2nd half making you realise that we do lose a bit of that without him in
> midfield however I think his contribution to the defence speaks for itself.
> Rodon - 7. Had a few moments and also was given the runaround a few times
> which we haven't really seen before but he stuck to the task.
> Gruev - 8. Worked tirelessly and drove us back in the game. What a great
> player he is.
> Kamara - 7. He was all over the place, lost some duels, won some but it
> was definitely a fully committed performance.
> Rutter - 8. Poor first half but that was mainly down to how good they
> were. 2nd half he just ran them ragged. They've never come across a beast
> like Rutter. What a player and what a sight when he's in full flow. I'm not
> sure I've seen a player like him before. Ok, we're in League 2 but he is
> mesmerising to watch.
> Gnonto - 5. Definitely not his night but again I just think that's down to
> how well they defended. He hardly got a kick.
> Summerville - 6. Quite night. They did a good job on him for 60 mins but
> he came into it and nearly scored.
> Piroe - 3. It's sad to see one of the players really struggling and
> everyone just wants Bamford back asap. He's going to be warming the bench
> for a while and when we get promoted I think he's one who definitely won't
> be able to play in the PL.
> Subs:
> Bamford - 8. Brilliant performance. Made a 

Re: [LU] Adultery

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Who’s?

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Subject: [LU] Adultery

Usual stuff. Player gone over side with another player's missus. Home you 
go..
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Re: [LU] HT Leeds 2 Brummies 0

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

They’ve been much improved so far.

Bamford goal was a bit of back to basics - James isolated against their full 
back, picked out Bamford and no mistake with the header!

Birmingham don’t look great though!

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Subject: [LU] HT Leeds 2 Brummies 0

Bamford and James. Massive sense of relief all around Leeds United Land.
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Re: [LU] 2nd half

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions.

We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be honest I’m 
as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.

With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply 
unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.

Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in 
midfield.
I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray / Gruev. With the 
available players for the front three we’d still be potent but with more 
control in midfield.

I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to figure 
out how to play against the low block.

What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a 
blueprint of how to nullify us.



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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 10:18:11 PM
To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half

Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end summed the game up for me. Just 
not good enough against a very average West Brom team.

Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if truth be 
known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless.

What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing

Very , very disappointing


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On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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[LU] 2nd half

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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[LU] HT thoughts

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Trying not to be furious again.

Should have had a pen but keep leaving their only decent player in acres of 
space.

Piroe anonymous, Gnonto poor. Time for a rethink re formation for these away 
games.

I hate football.

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Re: [LU] Preston match

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

As I said after the cov game, my jan shopping list would be number one a left 
back and number two a goalkeeper.

His idiotic sending off cost us today but I thought we were disappointing 
throughout.
Farke has done a good job but he doesn’t seem to have an answer to teams that 
sit deep and try to counter us.

I was surprised he left Archie on against Millar who’d given him a difficult 
afternoon.

As Rich said in one of his reports, the Rutter / Piroe works best in games when 
we have space to attack in behind. I think this sort of game warrants a 
different approach.

Thought Struijk and Rodon were excellent, Ampadu and Kamara solid but the front 
four never really clicked.

Willy didn’t really do much when he came on (again) other than waste free kicks 
but I thought Gruev looked tidy.

I’m not sure about chucking Bamford on for a midfielder when we are chasing the 
game, I don’t think he even touched the ball.

Thoroughly disappointed and now we are fourth. Feels like we’ve wasted that 
excellent result from Saturday.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 8:34:37 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Preston match

A bit disappointing as Leeds never really got going in an even first half.
Preston had set out to intimidate Leeds physically, and did it very
successfully.

Meslier’s stupid sending off and then Preston’s immediate goal made it too
hard. James’s penalty was a bit fortuitous, I’d have been livid if one like
that went against us, but it was well despatched by Pascal, who had an
excellent game.

To be fair we were right in the game at that point.  Browne who had already
been booked was lucky not to get a 2nd yellow for a foul on Rutter.  But
the set pieces, which are so important when down to 10 were all very poorly
delivered.

Their winner was brilliantly created and put away by Miller, who gave
Archie a tough time throughout.

I felt sorry for Archie, by this time operating on the right of a 3.  He
was constantly left 1 v 1 against Preston’s best player, when there are
more experienced right backs to put there.
I think I’d like to see Byram and Spence in those positions at WBA.

Rutter is beginning to impress me and I think a Salah type role on the
right would suit him more.

I’d almost be tempted to play Piroe in a Firminho type position with
Summerville and Rutter, shifting Archie into midfield with Kamara and
Ampadu.

Still plenty of games to go, but today was a setback,

KOT
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Re: [LU] Tractor boys

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Nothing much to add to that.
I heard the Ipswich manager moaning there was a foul in the build up to the 
corner that we scored from but I can’t remember anything.
On Bamford - I noticed he went straight down the tunnel at full time and didn’t 
even acknowledge the fans. On his way?

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 9:43:31 AM
To: nat...@sky.com ; leeds list ; John 
Lee 
Subject: Re: [LU] Tractor boys

Great win but not perfect as some are saying. We put ourselves under loads of 
pressure early doors with the aimless passing across the back and Meslier 
didn’t help with some really poor kicking straight into touch.But once we got 
going we were good value and the 2nd half was the best we’ve played this season 
as Ipswich never really had a kick and ended up making multiple subs not to win 
the game but to protect players for their game against Leicester on Boxing 
Day.The Piroe / Rutter 10/9 combination worked as it tends to do in home games 
where we have the momentum - it’s away games that are sometimes the problem. 
Summerville continues to look a threat every time he gets the ball and still in 
my eyes is the most exciting talent playing British football in any league. Big 
bids incoming ! Great pen as well.Piroe’s goal was top drawer even if we were a 
bit lucky in the build up. Archie Gray looked like a right back and he is 
starting to get more confident going forward. I remember Ian Snodin converting 
to right back from central midfield and ended up playing for England and would 
have had a lot more caps had he not got injured. Who knows with Archie ? 
Although I think he’s got too much to offer in midfield.Ipswich fans couldn’t 
sell their tickets and looked like they realised that it might not be a stroll 
for them this season. Leif Davis has been getting the plaudits this season as 
the best left back in the division. I think not. He’s another left back who 
can’t defend. Ok going forward but really suspect in defence. His own goal was 
a highlight.The South Stand sang ‘you’ve seen Firpo now fuck off home’ which 
made me smile.
Bring on Preston
Meslier - 6. Nothing to do, kicking rubbish.
Gray - 8. Majestic
Spence - 8. Great attacking in first half. Unfortunately everytime he got 
himself into a great position in the box his left foot cross let him down.
Rodon - 8. Comfortable
Struijk - 8. Ditto
Ampadu - 8. Some great interceptions
Kamara - 7. Battling performance
Summerville- 9. Class
Piroe - 8. Much needed performance and top class goal with his wrong foot
James - 7. Great first half an hour but his final ball remains poor.
Rutter - 9. Top performance- his vision / passing is fantastic and today he 
battled like a no 9.
Subs - not sure Bamford touched the ball others didn’t do much

Happy Christmas !

On Saturday, December 23, 2023, 5:46 pm, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Merry Christmas everyone.  What a start to the festive season. A must win game 
was won ( in the end at a canter) They had one snap shot that hit the post at 
2-0 and created no other, even half chances throughout the game.3 0 flattered 
us a bit at half time as we got the luck and the rub of the green a few times 
but by the end there was a real gulf in class as we destroyed them.
A corner in the first 10 mins ( " lets score a scruffy goal from a corner
Dave
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Re: [LU] Coventry

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Mostly agree, especially that song.

I think it was Struijk that loses the header for the goal.
Having watched it back, I’m not convinced by Meslier on the goal either. It’s a 
high, looping cross that is headed in from within the six yard box. I’d think 
the keeper should be claiming that.
I thought he could’ve done better with the Sunderland goal too.
Shopping list for January for me would be : 1) left back and 2) goalkeeper


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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 10:28:25 AM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: [LU] Coventry

I'd forgotten that God awful song that they sing  'We all sing together 
 la la la' - took me right back to the Hillsborough semi-final. Rubbish 
song, rubbish city, rubbish fans and they had the cheek to sing "Leeds is a 
shithole I want to go home". Made me laugh and think of Ghost Town.
To be fair to their team I thought they were ok. A bit like Sunderland, they 
came with damage limitation in mind and to kick everything that moved which 
they got away with due to a really, really poor ref. He didn't look in shape 
and his brain was obviously running slow because time and time again they 
hacked at our players and he didn't take any action. I think this is the way to 
play us, be solid, get everyone behind the ball and then get us on the counter, 
which is what happened.
First half I thought we huffed and puffed and got into some good positions but 
poor finishing cost us. Rutter spent most of the half on his arse as usual and 
when he did get a chance he fluffed it. My mate said he's either world class or 
a spastic. He was a spastic in that first half. Very frustrating. Most of our 
best work was down the left with Spence and Summerville but  when we did manage 
to work our way  into the box the last pass or cross was lacking. At the other 
end Coventry did have numerous counters and their tricky right winger skinned 
Spence to create a good chance. Meslier also made a decent save from a shot 
outside the box. They were dangerous on the counter and I think as a team it's 
far too to pass and progress through our midfield. This is obviously the 
downside to playing 4 attackers with one of them (Piroe) in midfield. Piroe is 
never a midfielder, not even close. Yes he's tidy on the ball at times but most 
of the time without the ball he's a passenger.
I think we need to look at playing with 3 midfielder (proper midfielders) in 
some games especially away from home. New left back in Jan, spence to right 
back , Archie into midfield. Bidwell for them must be 30+ but he's solid , can 
defend and get forward. That's all we need from a left back in this league.
Then there's the argument about who to play up front ? For me, Rutter is great 
to watch (the world class version not the spastic) but there's no way he's a 
number 9. He misses chance after chance after brilliantly setting them up. He's 
a great passer of the ball and for someone who at times looks like he's on 
cloud 9 (he doesn't watch the offside line for instance) he does have great 
awareness. If he's gonna play I think he is the one to play as a 10 or a winger 
but NOT as a no 9. Rutter's assist for Summerville's 2nd half goal was 
fantastic.Maybe an unopular view, but I would play Bamford at no 9. Ok, he's 
coming on and looking like he's never played as he loses possession and the 
ball bobbles of his shin. He's trying too hard but watch the runs he makes. 
He's totally not tuned into his team mates though so he looks a bit stupid but 
given a run I have no doubt he will score in most matches. He might not get the 
chance to prove me right though.
Second half, I thought we played well and on another day maybe this is a 3-1 , 
4-1 result but our finishing was poor and because of that we only got the 
point. Their goal was awful. Their centre half decided to go for a wander into 
the box. Their tricky  right winger floated over a decent cross and we just 
couldn't deal with it. Was it Archie of Rodon ? Whoever it was should have done 
better. Poor defending. If it was Rodon, it was probably his only mistake 
because he did really well against a really tricky, pacey and strong forward 
(Simms).
The game started to get tetchy and ref started booking everyone which was 
totally at odds to his first half approach. It threatened to boil over and 
Summervile looked like he lost his head at the final whistle. He was on a 
yellow so very stupid. Luckily he didn't get a red.
Scores:
Meslier - 7. I need to see the goal again but if he wasn't at fault then he 
really didn't have much to do.
Spence - 7. I like the look of Spence. He's tall, pacey, skillfull and strong. 
Yes he got skinned by the tricky winger but I think that lad could do that to 
anyone. He needs to play in his proper position though. I think if he can keep 
injury free he will be a great right back.
Gray - 7. 

Re: [LU] Fwd: Rotherham Game

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I notice this week that sky bet have us second favourite for automatic 
promotion behind Leicester, having previously had us third.
I know odds are also dependent on how much money has been bet but I’m taking it 
as a positive!

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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2023 10:06:05 AM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Rotherham Game

Indeed Nick - looking at the league there are probably 12 teams in with a shout 
of the top 6 - it’s nice to be near the top of the pile! That said, the 
defensive ‘passing/set-up’ bores me to tears at times - in an ideal world we’d 
play on the front foot 80% of the time - watching Meslier and co play square 
passes over and over is as dull as it gets imho. We should, and could, be 
whupping these teams like Rotherham, Plymouth etc, instead we’re hanging on! 
Very bored with that :-)


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> On 26 Nov 2023, at 09:34, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>
> 
> …and still, we gained a point on Ipswich. And it isn’t yet December.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Paul Cundell 
>> Date: 26 November 2023 at 00:24:54 GMT
>> To: John Lee 
>> Cc: Leeds List 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Rotherham Game
>>
>> Tbf, again, they are mostly the same players - hence, I assume, Farke's
>> safety first approach, but what do I know.
>> Personally, I blame Sky comms for telling us that we'd always won when
>> scoring first.
>>
>>
 On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 22:43 ,  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that’s a fair point Paul, although there was plenty of evidence to
>>> suggest the tide might turn yesterday? I don’t think I was alone in not
>>> being exactly gushing about some of our defender’s ‘abilities’ - all the
>>> old doubts came back to worry me :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
 On 25 Nov 2023, at 22:06, Paul Cundell  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I think we're in danger of very quickly forgetting how badly we were
>>> shipping goals pre-Farke.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 21:46 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist, <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>
 Totally agree! It is very frustrating.
 Nick
   On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:55:15 AM EST, John Lee via
 Leedslist  wrote:

 I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we get
 possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples one of our
 key strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely have Gray in the
 middle, and I hope Farke is beginning to see that this ultra- cautious
 defensive set up is costing us points? There’s zero point in having 80%
 possession if 90% of that is within 30 yards of our goal!



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> On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
 leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield player
 to
> turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our strikers
> can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford looks like
> they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment.
 Bamford
> in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered
 offside in
> his last 3 significant contributions.
>
> I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team an
> overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his attacking,
> defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking even at
> this level.
>
> Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I expected
> them
> to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and at the
> end of the transfer window.
>
> KOT
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>>>
>>>
>> 

Re: [LU] FT one nil to the mighty Leeds

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Get the fuck in Leeds!

Great save from Meslier at the end!

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Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 9:58:28 PM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] FT one nil to the mighty Leeds

Deserved to win this
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Re: [LU] HT Leicester 0 Leeds 0

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Impressed with how we’ve approached it so far.
Kamara excellent.

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Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 8:53:54 PM
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Subject: [LU] HT Leicester 0 Leeds 0

Is Piroe playing tonight? One would rather like to think so, however...

Great match though.

Betty
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Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Yep, at this level they are all must win.

We need to put out a much better performance after looking so flat on Saturday.
Cooper giving them a massive chance after two mins certainly didn’t help and 
surely Rodon must start for him.
I’d have Anthony for Summerville too. I genuinely don’t see what the excitement 
is about Summerville, he only ever seems to run down blind alleys, not release 
the ball quickly enough and produce very little end product.
Happy to be proved wrong though!

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Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 2:53:22 PM
To: heathpalai...@gmail.com ; Michael Benjamin 
; John Lee 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

Agreed, Rodon must start and 3 points are a must.

Not a fan of rotating players. Points lost now are points we are chasing at the 
end of the season.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:45 AM
To: heathpalai...@gmail.com ; Michael Benjamin 

Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

I regret getting sucked into whatever world Michel Bonjamming inhabits - I know 
it's an exercise in pointlessness.
I may not be a psychiatrist, but this is an 'odd' contribution to a football 
list - it seems his outsider status goes much further than football? I'll say 
no more, as it's hard to know what to say?
Meanwhile, back to football, I still maintain tonight is a must win game, and 
must play well too, because the Southampton game brought back some very recent 
painful memories, and the new shoots of discontent are starting to appear! 
Rodon at the back is a must for me.

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  On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at 14:34, Robert Heath wrote:   
Dear me.
He's obviously trying really hard to be coherent here, but I still can't follow 
half of it. I think the gist of it is that Elland Road, and indeed the City of 
Leeds, are not the same places they were 50 years ago. Startling revelation!
Still, now that he's gone we can all talk about him behind his back. He was a 
prickly, loopy contributor wasn't he? Seemed like a deeply unhappy person at 
heart, and like so many people took his anger out on his football team.
P.S. Anybody sad to hear of the death of Francis Lee? No, me neither.
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 1:26 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:


How do you explain anything to someone who forms opinions with no basis 
whatsoever?
You do not know me.
You don’t know how I work, or with whom I work.
If you have any experience with psychiatry, it could make your view subjective. 
I wonder if you have any.
How on earth my abysmal ability to remember names and terrible spelling leads 
you to racism is a stretch. Even your Brownian-movement-like logic shudders 
under that burden.

I had some introspection as I walked out, not only on the LUFC list and 
WhatsApp. I told the National Insurance & the Ministry of Health to fuck off.
What is there in common? It's not an age issue, as you may think. I decided 
that life is too short to pretend I am happy and belong when I do not.

The boards I sat on in both places are known to be institutionalised-central & 
not functioning to promote patient’s well-being.  In both cases, after a long 
process over the years, I knew that I neither identified with their aims nor 
wished to be identified with what they were doing.  I am very happy with a 
Health Provider who appreciates what I am and what I do. Along with patients’ 
gratitude, what more do I need?

The same goes for LUFC and its supporters, as represented by you. I love Leeds; 
it is a major part of who I am. With my parents’ passing and the exodus of so 
many Jews, the Leeds I knew is gone.
As I have often said, the one place I felt not merely a part of a minority but 
‘completely belonged’ was ER. That sense of belonging whilst being a minority 
is also something integral to my ‘worldview.’
Even so,  people like you make me uneasy, apart and alone again.


I do not belong with you, I am uneasy with you, the city has changed and is not 
what it was, and the team is no longer the main standard bearer of Leeds—it is 
something else. I do not know what. But whatever it is, it is not what I fell 
in love with and Marched On Together with.

That’s my answer, John & you can do what you want with it. If you wish, post it 
in my name on the list– I have left.

Keep well

-- Michael












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Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 12:40 PM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: Robert Heath ; Kevin Lewis 
; Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Congratulations!
Let’s hope the game is enjoyable today!

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Tim Whelan via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2023 12:45:53 PM
To: John Boocock ; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear


And many congratulations for surviving on this planet for as long as you
have.

Last week I also had an early significant birthday celebration in the
prawn sandwich section of Portman Road, even though my 60th isn't until
next Saturday. I hope you get to see as good a performance as I did.

-- Original Message --
From: "John Boocock" 
To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Sent: Saturday, 2 Sep, 23 At 09:43
Subject: [LU] Return to Yesteryear
As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted
it is a long drawn out affair - a bit like my life to be honest) I
started my celebrations in July when I was taken to the opera, since
then I have had a day at the races and next up is a trip to SOTG (also
as part of the thankgodthetransferwindowisclosed celebrations).
The choice of the Wendies was purely random but it means I get fed and
watered in the Centenary Pavilion and then have a mild seizure climbing
up to block L in the MNES. By about 6.00pm I hope to be in Whitelocks
before being whisked away back to the Land of the Sad Wartin' Geordies
(LOTSWG).
I haven't actually reached the actual birthday yet, but if I do it will
be a wonder after all the excitement of recent days. I will attempt my
first match report in over one million years if I get as far as Sunday
without a visit to the LGI or Jimmys.
Betty
P.S. I recommend the Opera at Covent Garden if only for the Coach and
Horses just down the road which served 'the best pint of Guinness in
London'.

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Re: [LU] Adams gone to the Cherries

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Good.
Hopefully we get some players in this week!

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Wiggy 

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2023 10:29:46 AM
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Adams gone to the Cherries

From the official site

Leeds United can confirm Tyler Adams has joined AFC Bournemouth in a permanent 
deal, for an undisclosed fee.


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Re: [LU] Unlucky or Hopeless?

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I left the game yesterday fairly confident.
Given the threadbare nature of the squad I’m really impressed with the job 
Farke has done so far.
I also think that Rodon, Struijk and Ampadu would walk into most championship 
teams.
Struijk in particular looks to be so much better than last year now he’s been 
coached by someone who knows what they’re doing and isn’t playing left back.
Apart from the miss I thought James was excellent, Byram looked good, Gray was 
good and Shackleton had a decent game.
A few additions and we’ll be fine.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Kevin Lewis via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 8:02:07 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Unlucky or Hopeless?

Firstly, Leeds dominated WBA last night, by every measurement and in just
general play. Considering the injuries, departures and want-sways I was
quite heartened

However, like last season. It only needs on little spell from the
opposition, and they score.  Last night that spell was instigated by
defensive dithering on Leeds part. Over the season so far Leeds have had
twice the possession, twice the shots, and 11 on target to 6 against, but
not won a game.

The 4 goals against have been 2 wicked deflections (one a handball) and a
penalty, so you could argue that we are due a change of luck. Is that going
to happen or is confidence gojng to evaporate and we have another
relegation battle?
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Re: [LU] Phil Hay in the Athletic

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Sooner Radz goes the better.
Although his message yesterday didn’t sound like he was leaving.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 6:17:36 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Phil Hay in the Athletic

I take it that everyone has read this too. LUST are probably already
preparing for The March On Rome. "Our program is simple: we want to rule
Beeston."

https://theathletic.com/4568028/2023/06/01/leeds-elland-road-sampdoria-radrizzani

Leeds United’s chairman Andrea Radrizzani offered to use the club’s
Elland Road stadium as security for a £26million bank loan which his
company, Aser, and a bidding partner, Gestio Capital, intended to use to
complete a takeover of the Italian club Sampdoria. Under a heads of
terms agreement co-signed by Radrizzani — essentially an agreement in
principle — Elland Road would act as collateral as part of a deal by
Radrizzani’s Aser and his bidding partner Gestio Capital to borrow €30m
(£25.8m; $32.1m) from Italian bank Banca Sistema, helping to fund their
Sampdoria buy-out.

The proposed bridging loan would be due for repayment within two years,
and also contains clauses showing that the bank would charge interest of
provisionally between six and nine per cent per year during this period.
However, the agreement would also enable the loan to be extended for up
to a decade, which throws open the possibility that Leeds United’s home
could act as security for Radrizzani’s Italian venture on Sampdoria for
10 years. The current status of the proposed loan and the extent to
which it has progressed beyond a heads of terms agreement is unclear,
but no charge has been registered, at the time of publication, on
Companies House, the executive agency of the British government that
maintains the register of companies.
The Leeds stadium is not owned by Leeds themselves but was bought by
Radrizzani in 2017, shortly after he became owner of the Yorkshire club.

In a further twist, however, sources close to the takeover process
insisted on Thursday morning that Leeds board members, including the
49ers and the club’s chief executive Kinnear, had not been informed of
the proposal to use Elland Road as security against the loan. The
sources added that Marinelli, a Leeds board member, an officer of Elland
Road Ltd and the CEO of Aser, who are part of the group attempting to
take over Sampdoria, had also not been informed. Radrizzani did not
respond to a request for comment on this point. It is understood the
49ers were only informed about Radrizzani’s proposal on Wednesday
evening after The Athletic’s initial approach. It remains unclear
whether the agreement in principle has progressed further, or if
Radrizzani ultimately opted for a different approach to secure funding,
but it is remarkable in itself that the Leeds chairman was prepared to
put his name to securing the stadium of his current club against a loan
to buy a different club. It is also likely to strain relations between
Radrizzani and the 49ers just at the point supporters may be hoping they
will thrash out a final agreement for a takeover. In an email to The
Athletic on Wednesday evening, Radrizzani said: “You are not well
informed as the deal has been done by Gestio Capital.” Gestio Capital
did not respond to a request for comment.

A bit more from the article…

Leeds United’s chairman Andrea Radrizzani offered to use the club’s
Elland Road stadium as security for a £26million bank loan which his
company, Aser, and a bidding partner, Gestio Capital, intended to use to
complete a takeover of the Italian club Sampdoria. Under a heads of
terms agreement co-signed by Radrizzani — essentially an agreement in
principle — Elland Road would act as collateral as part of a deal by
Radrizzani’s Aser and his bidding partner Gestio Capital to borrow €30m
(£25.8m; $32.1m) from Italian bank Banca Sistema, helping to fund their
Sampdoria buy-out. Leeds were only relegated from the Premier League to
the Championship on Sunday afternoon but their majority owner Radrizzani
was not present at the final match of the campaign as he instead sought
to finalise an agreement for Sampdoria.

Leeds are majority-owned by Radrizzani but the club’s minority
shareholder, 49ers Enterprises, has been in discussions to acquire
control of the club. No agreement has yet been reached, however, and
sources close to the takeover process, who like others in this article
wished not to be named to protect business relationships, told The
Athletic that the 49ers had not been informed about the stadium being
put forward as the security for a potential loan. Less than 24 hours
after Radrizzani announced that an agreement had been reached in
principle for his group to purchase Sampdoria, The Athletic learned that
a proposal had earlier been drawn up which meant that in order for the
bank to approve the loan, it would be secured against Leeds’ Elland Road

Re: [LU] Finally all over.

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Complete shambles.
It was good of Cooper to treat us to two more classic league one Liam moments. 
My favourite was when he headed it to a Spurs player and then had a go at 
Harrison when they scored.
Hopefully we get a decent coach in as soon as possible. There should be money 
to spend as I imagine a lot of players will leave.
At least we don’t have to watch McKennie anymore.

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n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44:54 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Finally all over.

There’s no explanation / excuse for that line up.

Yesterday was a farce.

So many defenders and still 4 soft goals.

Also, perhaps the keeper wasn’t the problem after all.

Nick

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> On 29 May 2023, at 08:00, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> Can anyone explain that team Big Sam picked yesterday? 6 defenders ? And 
> then he came out with the same team for the 2nd half. I’m not blaming BS for 
> this mess but how on earth you can go into a game like this defensively 
> minded is beyond me.6 defenders and we’re 1 down within seconds. Desperate 
> day.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 11:55 pm, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>
> Time to try to clear the decks, but all depends on who they can persuade to 
> manage us in the Championship. It won’t be easy, and I foresee around 6th or 
> so next season. Leicester will come straight back up as Champions.
>
> The Rutter signing now looks utterly ridiculous from the perspective of the 
> Championship. What a waste.
>
> The main bright point: I think we signed quite a few good young players who 
> have been playing well in the U23s… if we can get them to stay, get them into 
> the first team asap, and sell/terminate the old guard.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 29 May 2023, at 08:15, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Meant to say we are ‘not quite’ in the same financial shit as with previous
>> relegations, so at least we’ll get good money for some of those who will
>> want to leave. The worry is that some of the rubbish won’t.
>>
 On Sun, 28 May 2023 at 22:59,  wrote:
>>>
>>> At least we are not in a Ridsdale scenario? Undoubtedly some
>>> average>hapless players bought, but we were gambling, and eventually our
>>> luck ran out. We deserve to go down, we have not been competitive enough
>>> consistently, and the club needs rodding through to clear the sh*te!
>>>
>>> What comes next will be interesting to see - I’m really hoping some of the
>>> recently acquired ‘stars’ leave asap - I don’t see them even being
>>> Championship quality!
>>>
>>> They think it’s all over - it is now! And thank god for that!
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 28 May 2023, at 23:06, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

 Well that was underwhelming.
 The same individual defensive errors that have been prevalent for the
>>> last
 4 years have finally taken their toll.
 Coupled with the ability to give away possession softly when committing
 people forward which no manager pr team selection has been able to stop.

 Is anything remaining of the rise under Bielsa, or are we back to the 8
 years of dross that preceded him?

 Radrizani has sorted out a lot of stuff off pitch to be fair, and we are
>>> in
 the same financial shit as with previous relegations,  but his (and
>>> Orta’s
 before he left) decisions and actions around players and managers over
>>> the
 past few years have been abysmal. Somehow he now has to appoint the right
 people and sign the right players to reverse it.

 KOT
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Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I think the majority of the ones sending him abuse are the keyboard warrior, 
armchair fan types that don’t go to the games.
There’s nothing wrong with criticising performances but no need for abuse.
As Rich said, looked much sharper and good cross for the opening goal.
Watched the highlights back this morning and I can’t comprehend what Firpo is 
doing for both pens.
Falls over for the first one (poor tackle from Wober but probably isn’t 
expecting his full back to not deal with the danger) and a needless hand ball 
for the second. At least he managed to get himself sent off so we won’t see him 
in a Leeds shirt again.


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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2023 1:23:44 PM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk ; Leeds List 2010 

Subject: Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford

Disgraceful. Aside from the pen miss I thought he did ok. Looking a bit sharper.


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On Sunday, May 14, 2023, 1:04 pm, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:


Can’t get my head round the “Leeds fans” on Twitter telling Bamford to top 
himself and wishing bad stuff on his family.

These daft bastards were also singing for Gary Speed during the match.

It is a game of football.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Sunk

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Dreadful, an absolute shambles.

At least we’ve got an easy game next ….

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of 
n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 4:58:49 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Sunk

Well if this isn’t the sorriest shower of shite, I don’t want to see what is.

Board - bunch of chancers who go lucky once (twice if you count Raphinha).
Manager - simply clueless about what to do, what his best XI is, or the best 
formation
Players - who have more or less given up…was there a bust up at half time v 
Palace?

Still, we’ll get good money for Harrison, Gnonto, Adams, Sinisterra, Somerville
And still have the remains of the lot that overperformed under Bielsa, and are 
now 3 years older and beaten.

FFS

Nick

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Not much to add.
Thought we were ok first half and McKennie had one of his better games, 
although as has been said the bar is fairly low.
Roca is a truly awful footballer. His poor passing is bad enough but what 
annoys me is how the game just passes him by. He doesn’t close down and tackle 
or track runners. I’d rather have Forshaw or Greenwood and I don’t rate either 
of them.
The goal we conceded was suitably rubbish defending again. The throw in was 
just below where I sit and the way we half heartedly challenged for it led to 
their break. I think we had at least three players near the throw and no one 
put in a proper challenge.
Don’t get why Gnonto was kept on the bench or why Aaronson came off it.
At least we didn’t lose.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 2:03:38 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Nicholas Armit 

Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

I'd actually forgotten about that. It really was the most comical 20 seconds of 
'football' I've seen at a PL game. We just seemed incapable of kicking the ball 
in a straight line and Roca's attempt was laughable.
On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 13:59:29 BST, Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:

  That 20 seconds in the second half was Keystone Cops stuff!
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 05:28:53 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 Javi Gracia - it’s hard to believe his talks can be in any way inspirational - 
his press conferences are insipid, pointless exercises which give no confidence 
that he knows how to deal with this. I suspect the differing qualities of our 
players did come as a shock to him though. All that said, he has managed 3 wins 
and 2 draws from his 10 games ‘in charge’, so he’s here until the season end. 
There’s zero chance of him being kept on imho, regardless of staying up or 
going down. We made that mistake with Marsch!

I still can’t get over Roca’s passing last night - even in a team known for 
its’ inability to pass to a white shirt, he was spectacularly awful!

> On 26 Apr 2023, at 10:07, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> Ha ha. I can't even listen to him. He is lacking in any energy and ideas.
>On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 09:55:47 BST, John Boocock 
>  wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> He is out, what we see on the bench is CGI
>
>> On 26/04/2023 09:52, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
>> I missed my last line ...
>> Gracia OUT. I really believe we'd be better off without him than with, as 
>> strange as that may sound.
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Re: [LU] Well

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Absolute shambles, mostly of the club’s own making.
Don’t back Bielsa with signings then sack Bielsa.
Appoint Ted talk vibe merchant and buy bang average players from a one team pub 
league. Unsurprisingly they turn out not to be any good.
Sign a fat midfielder from juve and break transfer record on a “project” who 
looks like he hasn’t seen a football before.
Sack vibe merchant too late and waste three more games looking for a 
replacement.
I was encouraged by Gracia to start with but that was truly awful yesterday.
I heard Neil Redfearn on the radio on the way home discussing our tactics.
He was on about the low block we were trying to play but felt you need good and 
athletic players to make it work.
You need to be able to get up the pitch quickly to counter when you win the 
ball back and then get back into the low block quickly when you lose it. A 
midfield of McKennie and Roca isn’t ever going to be able to do that. Roca 
looked knackered after about ten minutes and McKennie is about as mobile as a 
fridge.
Madness to set up like that.
Saw a shocking stat too. Apparently of the last 13 shots on target Meslier has 
faced, 12 have been goals. I had him at fault for at least 3 of them yesterday. 
He looks shot and I’d play Robles at Fulham.
Right back is like choosing between being punched in the face or the stomach. 
Ayling, great servant to the club, but legs have gone and there’s mistake in 
him every game or Kristienson who looks like he’s won a raffle to get a game 
and has a mistake in him every game.
Midfield garbage but virtually no alternatives. Gyabi has been great for the 
21s, is he worth a go at Fulham? Can’t be worse than Roca and McKennie.
Aaronson might be the weakest player I’ve seen on a pitch. Looks like a stiff 
breeze might knock him over. Runs around, falls over, doesn’t release the ball 
quick enough, always makes the wrong decision. Did we really pay £20m for him?
I’m struggling to see where the points come from for us to stay up.

Simon

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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 9:28:39 AM
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Well

Agree re Cooper coming back, but I’d move Struijk to right back.

I think we’re going down, but I thought that last season too. We’re worse now!

McKennie / Roca in midfield - p*ss poor!

Tottenham putting us down will not be a good look!

> On 18 Apr 2023, at 08:39, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> Yes, the cutting out mid-week drinking plan for me went astray last night. I 
> just feel totally empty after that performance which was one of the worst. I 
> think we've 2 maion problems:
> 1) The manager 2) The players
> First of all, have you ever seen a Leeds team set up so negatively at home 
> for a match. I can't rememeber. We just let Liverpool have the run of the 
> park and then tried to feed on scraps when their attacks broke down. It was 
> quite effective for a while but it was only ever going to end one way. After 
> half time, Gracia tried to get his players to step up the pitch and we looked 
> better for 10 mins but then they just took control. Liverpool's away record 
> is poor. Why did we show them so much respect ? Surely we should have gone 
> after them from the start with Summerville, Gnonto and Sinisterra leading the 
> line. Rodrigo isn't fit.I think he has to go today and yes that's seems 
> impossible but how can we stay up with such a negative manager ?
> As for the players, it's desperate. Mckennie and Roca is like watching Okon 
> and Aizlewood. Neither can run, neither have got the fight or the ability to 
> get us out of this mess and control the midfield. Roca can pass a ball when 
> he's got oceans of space and isn't under pressure (Forest) but put him under 
> a bit of pressure and he crumbles. Mckennie is a fat lad who without his 
> lacky Adams looks lost.
> Meslier looks like a keeper who has given up - I would be tempted to put the 
> reserve keeper in.
> I've never been convinced about Struijk and I think we all know now he's not 
> a PL centre back. His best performance have come at left back but even there 
> he looks uncomfortable.
> It's come to the point when actually I think Cooper and Ayling have to play. 
> At very least, you know they are going to die for the cause. Last night, we 
> saw Rutter come on and tippy toe around the park to the final whistel where 
> he rushed to Firmino to get his shirt and congratulate him. £35 million ! 
> Beggars belief
> Aaronson is a trier but the fact is he isn't good enough. Far too lightweight.
> I could go on, but I think we're doomed. Not sure where we go from here.
> 12:30 Saturday I suppose.
>
>
>On Tuesday, 18 April 2023 at 01:36:10 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
>
>  Utter shambles.
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 07:03:21 PM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
>  wrote:
>
> I’m just sitting 

Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I really feel for Ayling. He’s been superb for us but he isn’t a premier league 
defender and our inept recruitment has hung him out to dry. I think the only 
reason he’s still in the team is that Rasmus is even worse.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 7:13:14 PM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

Well we saw Roy Hodgson’s tactical know-how completely eradicate a Leeds side 
completely deflated by their first goal, and Gracia had neither the ideas or, 
more crucially, the personnel on the bench, to do anything about it. Had Adams 
been there maybe we’d have stopped them rolling through the midfield, but who 
knows? Once Firpo had been booked (correctly) he lost confidence completely, 
but he wasn’t alone!

I think we have reached the tipping point re good/bad with Luke Ayling - 
trouble is the man we brought in to replace him has his own issues?

Why we change 4/5 players is beyond me - it completely trashes the teams’ 
tactical set-up, and today none of the subs did a single thing of note! 
Actually, not quite true - an idiotic Gnonto did his best to make a crap 
situation even worse - utter petulance!

On this showing, we are definitely deserving of relegation - maybe a complete 
clear-out of our ‘stars’ is the approach we need? It’ll be some time I hope 
before I see two such contrasting halves of football - from superiority to 
utterly abject in 15 minutes!

At least the Rhinos are doing their best to avoid a double, albeit down at the 
mo :-(



> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:43, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk"  
> wrote:
>
> Oh yeah, and if our fans are so great, why did half the fuckers leave at 3-1?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:42, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> After a pretty even first half. Both teams having chances to score more, 
>> but then WTF happened. I mean, if they had called the game off at HT, and 
>> award one point each, we would have felt robbed…
>>
>> Roca & McKennie lost the midfield - Eze gave them a lesson. We stopped in 
>> just about every department. Lost shape, confidence, movement, belief. It 
>> was horrible.
>>
>> Possibly the only ones with limited blame from the starting eleven would be 
>> Firpo and maybe Harrison. But even that is a stretch.
>>
>> Completely shocking.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Grim today.
That second half as bad as I’ve seen for a long time.
I stuck it out to the end but there weren’t many left.
A lot of poor performances but if you doubted Rich’s views on Roca that was not 
a game to help you! Ok first half hour but disappeared for the rest of the 
game. Forest must really be awful.

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Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 5:43:24 PM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

Oh yeah, and if our fans are so great, why did half the fuckers leave at 3-1?

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> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:42, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>
> After a pretty even first half. Both teams having chances to score more, but 
> then WTF happened. I mean, if they had called the game off at HT, and award 
> one point each, we would have felt robbed…
>
> Roca & McKennie lost the midfield - Eze gave them a lesson. We stopped in 
> just about every department. Lost shape, confidence, movement, belief. It was 
> horrible.
>
> Possibly the only ones with limited blame from the starting eleven would be 
> Firpo and maybe Harrison. But even that is a stretch.
>
> Completely shocking.
>
> Sent from my iPad

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Forest

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I just presumed it was age catching up with him. He’s always struggled a bit 
with pacy wingers and he’s maybe lost another yard or so of pace.
I’ve been more worried about his concentration, he’s given the ball away far 
more than he used to.
Still love him though!

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Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:49:09 PM
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Forest

I bet he’s carrying an injury that’s making him 90% pace. That’s the
difference at this level between being excellent and shite.

On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 at 17:42, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Agree Nick, it is strange. He was inspirational against Scum and there was
> general agreement that he was back and deserved the captain’s armband but
> in recent weeks it’s all gone wrong. He looks slow and looks like he’s
> really struggling to get a grip on games. Having said that he put some real
> desperate challenges in last night which did win us the ball back. Maybe
> he’s got a knock ?
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 5:34 pm, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> He was excellent against Scum in both games though. Strange.
> Nick
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 12:05 PM, Neil Hackett 
> wrote:
>
> Agree that Ayling is a big worry. I love him but he is being targeted.
>
> For about a month teams have been sending a diagonal ball over him knowing
> the winger will beat him to it.
>
> It also appeared on TV that Forest were happy for him to receive the ball
> as we passed out from the back; once he received a pass they closed quickly
> and he was turning it over a lot.
>
> Both wingers were very good, not sure Gnonto has a way back into the
> starting line up yet.
>
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
> Sent: April 5, 2023 5:28 AM
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] Fwd: Forest
>
> Agree with both of these…
>
> I think we’ve seen 2 of the 3 that will go down at ER recently -
> Southampton and Forest - hard to pick who was worse.
>
> Most impressed yesterday with McKennie - he was throwing those challenges
> in and using the ball well. Harrison and Sinisterra (and Gnonto, and
> Sommerville) using the width of the park, just demonstrate what a nonsense
> Marsch’s narrow formation was.
>
> Ayling had a shocking first half against a poor strike force - its a worry.
>
> Bamford is doing that infuriating thing he - fluffs chances, both for
> himself and also when he has the ball and teammates in good positions -
> but, the way he works the central defenders and pulls them all over the
> shop is second to none. I did think that Rodrigo should have come on for
> him after 65 or so, to rest up Bamford and let our leading scorer have a go
> at such a weak defence.
>
> Looking forward to seeing Wober back soon, too.
>
> 3 points at the w/e and the world looks very different.
>
> Nick
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
> > Date: 5 April 2023 at 10:13:34 BST
> > To: leeds list 
> > Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> >
> > When the first message on my WhatsApp this morning is from my son saying
> " spring in my step and a song in my heart" you know all is right with the
> world for a bit because Leeds have won
> > It was a comfortable  victory really against a team who offered very
> little.  If we are looking for 3 teams worse than us, forest have to be one.
> > Pre match stats had us worried- they had only scored 4 all season  we
> had won every game when we started in the bottom 3 - cue them winning and
> scoring 5 goals inc a worldie from someone who has not scored for 3 years
> > Thankfully that did not happen ( although their goal was his first in
> the Prem)
> > I agree with what Rich has written below.
> > We struggled a bit to start with - they hit the post from a corner then
> carved us open,  what was Ayling and then Sinisterra doing? However we dug
> in , the crowd stayed behind the team ( as Rich says it included a good
> tribute ) and there was an air of confidence around ER .
> > Our goals were good,  lovely move ended with Mckennie shovelling a pass
> to Roca, his shot was parried to the lively Harrison who lashed home.  Then
> just before half time Sinisterra danced his way through tying a defender in
> knots before curling in a beauty.
> > Second half we continued to dominate and were first to everything.  Roca
> having a stormer,  like many I have wondered about him  but last night he
> was excellent , as was the much maligned Firpo who linked up well with
> Sinisterra but also made one brilliant goal saving tackle. Sinisterra
> showed what we have been missing, coming very close with another curling
> effort,  and everyone else played their 

Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Which bit?
I didn’t think we were good at all, just relieved to have got a point.
I agree, too many of our players aren’t up to it. I love Ayling but he’s not 
prem quality anymore. It looked like a disaster waiting to happen every time 
the ball went out to our right.
Roca is awful and I don’t care what the hipsters on Twitter say.
Aaronson, McKennie, Firpo and Kristiansen all a long way short.
I think Rutter might turn out to be a good player in the future but he isn’t 
what we needed now. Certainly for the money spent.

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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 7:31:11 PM
To: Nicholas Armit ; Leeds List 2010 ; 
Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

Do you think ? I thought in that first half we looked like a really poor team 
who looked doomed. We had no idea and it took a fortunate deflection from a 
speculative shot to get us going. I’d put that first half down as the as poor 
as we’ve seen for a few seasons.Credit to us 2nd half for coming back into it 
but I don’t think some of our players are good enough. The worst of the bad 
bunch are Firpo and Roca, who are both woefully short. I also am concerned 
about Rutter. He’s just not at the races.


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On Sunday, March 12, 2023, 5:15 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

 I might be talking myself into this but I think there is enough in these 
players that can just get us out of trouble. They are good players we just need 
a spark from somewhere and it could all click.
Yes I know.
Nick
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 11:09:00 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

  Ayling's worst game for Leeds. He didn't look right to me.
On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 12:09:16 GMT, Nick  
wrote:

 Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a European 
place just through luck…

What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to stay 
in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for solidity but 
removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows their defenders to 
stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are not going to get 
challenged. This is something that many in the crowd seemed to be made restless 
by.

Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence in 
the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and tricky - he 
was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone just by a lofted 
ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you get caught once or 
twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer to the guy. But it 
kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at the back post, for the 
first goal. V poor game.

However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing so, 
closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just rolled 
along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch and 
smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of nowhere 
we were level.

Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around the 
penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he was 
shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that 
Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.

The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were 
introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these three 
pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps inside the 
defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right foot. Lovely goal.

Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again from our 
right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.

I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover 
about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) - plenty of 
time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down” are the ones who 
would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were a 4 point gap with 2 
games to go.

Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.

Nick




> On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
>
> I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's performance 
> was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as we have 
> players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us but those 
> players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm pointing to 
> Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it felt. The 
> exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark we were 
> looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our coach has laid the 
> law down that we don't all fly forward and 

Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

 Not much to add to the other comments.
Agree that Roca, Aaronson and McKennie were all poor. Saw a great comment on 
Twitter - “McKennie looks like he’s won a raffle to get on the pitch, and the 
raffle ticket was hidden in a massive gateaux.”
If he’s worth £35 million , I’m worth at least 5!
I guess the positives to take are that we got a point against a very good side 
(I’d say as good as I’ve seen at ER this season), Rodrigo and Sinisterra are 
available again, Bamford and Harrison both scored and there are still six home 
games left with everything so tight.
It’s still in our hands but the games against forest , Leicester and 
Southampton are crucial.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick 

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 12:08:53 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a European 
place just through luck…

What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to stay 
in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for solidity but 
removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows their defenders to 
stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are not going to get 
challenged. This is something that many in the crowd seemed to be made restless 
by.

Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence in 
the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and tricky - he 
was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone just by a lofted 
ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you get caught once or 
twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer to the guy. But it 
kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at the back post, for the 
first goal. V poor game.

However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing so, 
closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just rolled 
along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch and 
smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of nowhere 
we were level.

Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around the 
penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he was 
shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that 
Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.

The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were 
introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these three 
pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps inside the 
defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right foot. Lovely goal.

Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again from our 
right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.

I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover 
about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) - plenty of 
time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down” are the ones who 
would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were a 4 point gap with 2 
games to go.

Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.

Nick




> On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
>
> I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's performance 
> was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as we have 
> players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us but those 
> players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm pointing to 
> Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it felt. The 
> exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark we were 
> looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our coach has laid the 
> law down that we don't all fly forward and leave ourselves open at the back 
> (Ayling take note) which meant that we were not as exciting to watch as we 
> have been, but not the walkover we used to be - well not as much as we used 
> to be, we still had our moments of squeaky bum - sadly though that meant that 
> we struggled to force ourselves upon Brighton. I honestly could see no way we 
> might score until up popped Bamford, but even then he didn't receive service 
> so much as he had to make it himself.
>
> I struggle to see how we can make it this year as everyone around us is doing 
> something and we aren' - sigh. I am so disappointed.
>
> Steve G
>
>> On 12 Mar 2023, at 10:09, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well,  similar to last season we salvaged a point at home v Brighton, and 
>> similar to last season we left wondering if it is enough. Wins for 
>> Bournemouth and Everton suggest not,  but to be honest Brighton are a much 
>> better team this season, as 

Re: [LU] Important one today

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

“Least crap” made me laugh.
A damming indictment of our recent recruitment.
Roca for me of those three, but it’s a bit like choosing between being punched 
in the face or the stomach.

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Not an absolutely must win, but a defeat would make Leeds favourites to go
down IMO.

Given we need at least 4 victories, I have this game down as the 4th
easiest  after Forest, Leicester, Palace at home.
Not winning would mean Leeds have to find a victory from a less likely
source such as one of the away games.

As I write, I’m not sure which players are likely to return, but of all
those possibly coming back, only Bamford would make the starting team,
which would kind of pick itself apart from what would be a choice in the no
10/3rd midfield position. Who is the least crap out of Harrison, Aaronson
and Roca? Some of the others might strengthen the bench which seems to have
had very little impact of late, apart from Gnonto last week, who must
surely start.

KOT
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Re: [LU] Concentrate on the league now!

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Yes, some positive signs but some of the same old issues.
Adams, for all the good work he does, is very limited when passing the ball and 
that mistake that led to their first was dreadful.
Same with McKennie. Good energy, got into decent areas but gives the ball away 
too much it makes the wrong decision.
I honestly forgot that Roca was playing until he gave the ball away. I don’t 
care what the hipsters on social media say about “progressive passing” , he’s 
shite.
Not convinced by Jimmy for their second, or Kristienson or Meslier for that 
matter.
I thought Koch played well, Rutter looks like he’s getting sharper and overall 
out shape looks better.
If we could finish our chances we’d have been bang in that game though!

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For 65 minutes some promising signs, albeit the same old problems/bad luck as 
far as sticking it in the net! Fulham changed tactics, played a high press, and 
we fizzled out.

For all the moaning about Bamford, Summerville is becoming my scapegoat at 
times - he gets into good positions, but he misses loads. His feeble attempt to 
block the shot for their 2nd was poor too.

Hey ho

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Re: [LU] Southampton - WE WON

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Agreed.
I don’t see the Adams / McKennie lack of creativity as necessarily a bad thing. 
They are both solid defensively and steady in possession. It gives us a solid 
platform to build on and as long as we can find creativity in other areas we’ll 
still create chances.
I don’t think we’ve seen the best of Roca so far. The frantic, rushed style of 
Marsch doesn’t really suit him. Hopefully a more patient, structured build up 
will play to his strengths more.



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Agree re lack of creativity with Adams/ McKennie , not sure if Roca is the 
answer.  I do think our subs, for once,  helped us, both Summerville and Rutter 
had good cameos . I criticised Rutter in u21s but he did well yesterday,  not 
the finished article but showed glimpses that he could make an impact,  and 
Summerville who I have always liked was on fire before his injury and has been 
a bit overlooked with the emergence of Gnonto.  Add Sinisterra to that mix and 
we will have game changers on the pitch and on the bench. Get Bamford scoring 
and things may just be ok.
 Lots of points to play for and lots of twists and turns and other cliches but 
things feel better with a win and a manager who, more by luck than judgement 
perhaps,  could be exactly who we need
Dave
On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 11:31:53 GMT, Simon McNally 
 wrote:

 Not much to add to that Dave.I thought we looked far more controlled in 
possession, apparently our pass success rate what 85% which is higher than in 
any of the games Marsch managed.I was pleased that we avoided giving away any 
daft free kicks near the box for Ward Prowse to exploit.I think this is also 
the only time I can remember where we’ve been leading by a goal going into 
injury time and haven’t given up a single chance.Still question marks about a 
few of our players, specifically Aaronson and Harrison but on the plus side, 
Koch dominated their 6’7” forward abd Wober was excellent again. There’s not 
much creativity in the Adams / McKennie partnership but they are very difficult 
to play through. Both very quick to close down and tackle. I wonder what Gracia 
does when Roca is fully fit - maybe he plays instead of Aaronson and McKennie 
plays at 10.It’s easy to get carried away after winning but Southampton we’re 
truly awful.Hopefully we put up a good showing in the cup and take some good 
form to Chelsea next week.
Simon
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Subject: [LU] Southampton - WE WON We won !  I love saying that so I will 
repeat it , we won , a premier league game in 2023, ok we were poor or to quote 
a Belfast Saints fan on our train " Leeds were fucking shit" , but they were 
worse, and even more importantly we WON
Not the prettiest of games and apart from  the goal by unlikely hero Junior  
Firpo it is very forgettable but all that counted was the final score and we won
They were the typical bottom half team full of timewasting,  shit housing and 
faking  injury - 3 times in the first half a saints player went down hurt, got 
helped off but was fit to return the second he passed the white line,  it must 
have magic healing powers.  The ref not only fell for it but only added one 
minute at the end of the half. Strangely all that changed in the 78th minute 
when suddenly they were running off the pitch to help retrieve the ball, 
amazing what conceding a goal does
We pretty  much dominated the whole game  but struggled to create real clear 
chances,  Ayling volleyed wide and over from a tight angle,  Harrison ( poor 
again) hit over, aaronson pulled a weak shot wide, Mckennie also volleyed over 
and Bamford forget altogether that he is allowed to shoot / try to score.
Perhaps our best opportunity came when Bamford harried the defender and  
mckennie did well to take the ball off them and burst forward with Aaronsson 
alongside him. He could have shot himself,  would have been easy to get on  
target but he chose to lay it off to aaronson,  not necessarily the worse 
decision but the execution was awful and he passed behind him and the chance 
went begging.  Even worse they ended up having their only shot of the half as 
they got a breakaway after aaronson lost the ball
The fans were pretty much solidly behind the team and gave them every 
encouragement although there was a very nervous feel to it all and plenty of 
groans as Harrison and Bamford had shockers.  Koch and Wober were untroubled at 
the back however and 0 0 started to look like it was nailed on, a result that 
would not have helped us.
Then some quality,  Summerville had the ball out wide by the corner flag ( are  
you watching Jesse?)  and hemmed in by two players put a lovely ball 

Re: [LU] Southampton - WE WON

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Not much to add to that Dave.
I thought we looked far more controlled in possession, apparently our pass 
success rate what 85% which is higher than in any of the games Marsch managed.
I was pleased that we avoided giving away any daft free kicks near the box for 
Ward Prowse to exploit.
I think this is also the only time I can remember where we’ve been leading by a 
goal going into injury time and haven’t given up a single chance.
Still question marks about a few of our players, specifically Aaronson and 
Harrison but on the plus side, Koch dominated their 6’7” forward abd Wober was 
excellent again. There’s not much creativity in the Adams / McKennie 
partnership but they are very difficult to play through. Both very quick to 
close down and tackle. I wonder what Gracia does when Roca is fully fit - maybe 
he plays instead of Aaronson and McKennie plays at 10.
It’s easy to get carried away after winning but Southampton we’re truly awful.
Hopefully we put up a good showing in the cup and take some good form to 
Chelsea next week.

Simon

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Subject: [LU] Southampton - WE WON

We won !  I love saying that so I will repeat it , we won , a premier league 
game in 2023, ok we were poor or to quote a Belfast Saints fan on our train " 
Leeds were fucking shit" , but they were worse, and even more importantly we WON
Not the prettiest of games and apart from  the goal by unlikely hero Junior  
Firpo it is very forgettable but all that counted was the final score and we won
They were the typical bottom half team full of timewasting,  shit housing and 
faking  injury - 3 times in the first half a saints player went down hurt, got 
helped off but was fit to return the second he passed the white line,  it must 
have magic healing powers.  The ref not only fell for it but only added one 
minute at the end of the half. Strangely all that changed in the 78th minute 
when suddenly they were running off the pitch to help retrieve the ball, 
amazing what conceding a goal does
We pretty  much dominated the whole game  but struggled to create real clear 
chances,  Ayling volleyed wide and over from a tight angle,  Harrison ( poor 
again) hit over, aaronson pulled a weak shot wide, Mckennie also volleyed over 
and Bamford forget altogether that he is allowed to shoot / try to score.
Perhaps our best opportunity came when Bamford harried the defender and  
mckennie did well to take the ball off them and burst forward with Aaronsson 
alongside him. He could have shot himself,  would have been easy to get on  
target but he chose to lay it off to aaronson,  not necessarily the worse 
decision but the execution was awful and he passed behind him and the chance 
went begging.  Even worse they ended up having their only shot of the half as 
they got a breakaway after aaronson lost the ball
The fans were pretty much solidly behind the team and gave them every 
encouragement although there was a very nervous feel to it all and plenty of 
groans as Harrison and Bamford had shockers.  Koch and Wober were untroubled at 
the back however and 0 0 started to look like it was nailed on, a result that 
would not have helped us.
Then some quality,  Summerville had the ball out wide by the corner flag ( are  
you watching Jesse?)  and hemmed in by two players put a lovely ball through to 
Harrison,  who redeemed himself a bit with a lovely back heel to Firpo who took 
one touch then lashed it home,  ok maybe not lashed but he shot on target and 
the ball trickled through a defender and under the keeper.  Cue absolute 
pandemonium,  the crowd went wild, " junior Firpo s name reverberated around ER.
Could we hang on, could we get a second ? The first  bit was easy as they 
offered nothing and the clock ran down.  As for a second goal a flick on by 
Rutter set Summerville free and his shot flew just wide , at 0 0 he would have 
got stick for not passing to the unmarked Harrison but at 1 up with seconds to 
go we forgave him. The final whistle went and we had won. The after match 
atmosphere was amazing , singing on the bus and proper party time at Moots 
Hall, incredible how a win makes everything great ( did I mention we WON)

So not the greatest, but 3 points was all that mattered and we got them all. So 
out of the bottom 3. The new manager has work to do but this gives him a 
platform,  we need more from Bamford,  Harrison needs to get back to his best, 
aaranson still needs to bulk up, and Mckennie and Adams need to shoot more, but 
in a game we had to win, we WON and for a few days at least all is well with 
the world
Dave
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Re: [LU] Rutter

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Not a good sign.
I think it’s a bit too early to write him off but I can’t get my head round why 
we’d pay that amount of money for someone who doesn’t look ready for the first 
team.

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Oh dear Dave,
Unfortunately this was my impression from the bits I’ve seen of him on the
box.

To me he did not look like a C.Forward at all.  It seems like we have spent
35M on a wide player who does not yet look first choice.

I was going to suggest is was time to let him and Aaronson loose this
weekend in place of Harrison and Summerville.

Perhaps not!!

KOT


> I watched his 45min display for the u21s last night and it was far from
> impressive,  he showed very little and does not seem to be worth £35m at
> present and there was nothing to suggest he would be effective v
> Southampton.  I am not writing him off yet but he does not look ready for
> prem football
> Aaronson also played the first 45mins and scored a good goal , any hope
> that this would boost his confidence was short lived as he totally fluffed
> an easier chance minutes later,  he still looked lightweight even amongst
> younger players ( I know he is young himself) and again I cannot see him as
> our instant saviour
> We are in big trouble.
> Some talk re Javi Gracias  signing today, according to my mate who has
> done some investigating Watford fans liked him, liked his football and were
> disappointed when he was sacked. Here's hoping that he can turn things
> around if he comes.  My Spanish is not great but his school register in
> England would have him down as " thank you Javi" so maybe that's what we
> will be saying at the end of the season
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

That’s fair.
It definitely shows the disparity in squad sizes / quality.
I thought Martinez in particular made a big impact for them when he came on.
Rodrigo would’ve been the obvious replacement for Bamford had our previous 
manager not risked him when 3 up against Accrington!

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It's true that "our subs made us worse," but I think it's equally true that Man 
U's subs made them better (in each game), or at least relatively better than us 
in the latter stages of each game. This is simply down to the financial 
disparity between the two clubs, which is compounded by our injuries. Robles, 
Kristensen and Aaronson aside, our bench was just kids. I saw some supporters 
criticizing Skubala for taking Bamford and Harrison off, but I presume he did 
that because he knew they were knackered (coaches these days having so much 
data at their fingertips telling them exactly how many thousand meters each 
player can run before his levels drop). The simple fact is that not only did we 
have nobody on the bench to change things, we didn't even have players on the 
bench who could do the same things at the same level as the players we took 
off. That's why in a game like this, when the opposition will use their wallet 
to bludgeon us late in the game, we need to have given ourselves a cushion when 
it's first XI vs first XI. For me, the game turned on Summerville's miss in the 
first five minutes. Put that away and we might at least have gained a point.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2023 6:10 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

I think he has done well in these two games . We definitely have more structure 
and shape and certainly haven’t given up as many big chances after losing the 
ball like we did under Marsch.
On the other hand, we failed to cope when the scum changed tactics and our subs 
made us worse. This was all too familiar under Marsch.
My worry would be that he lacks the experience and know how to go up against 
other managers in the key games we’ve got coming up.
The bloke that was sacked at Ajax though looks a nightmare. Won the league at 
Club Brugge, but they always win the Belgian league. Think one team pub league 
like Scotland and Austria. He managed to alienate the players and fans at Ajax 
and led them to their worst start to a season in years. He sounds like another 
Marsch, all excuses and talk about how he’s pleased with the progress etc.
So if it’s a choice between him and Skoobs, I’d keep Skoobs.
Hopefully though, the geniuses running the club have got someone better lined 
up.
On recent track record though I’m not confident!
Marsch should have gone after the Fulham game but them waiting for so long has 
made it harder to recruit a new manager and cost us points.

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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 11:00:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

Just to be clear - I was not implying that Dave or anyone on the list is
writing Skoobs off.  I am just curious to know whether we think he has
done enough already to justify waiting a bit longer to get someone or
rushing to get anyone with first team experience.


On 13 Feb 2023 12:50, Greg Adams wrote:
>
> /On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/
>
> /Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man,
> this team could be decent /
>
>
> Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed
> immense improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For
> me the key thing to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get
> the wrong guy, and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax
> fired a couple of weeks ago looks like a disaster waiting to happen
> judging from the comments I read from Ajax fans / dutch supporters. I
> would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it means waiting for
> the best guy for us.
>
>
>
>> As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking
>> weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just
>> loves to suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
>> Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a
>> handful of fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds.
>> Then massed ranks of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I
>> wondered for a second if the pub had been given to t

Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I think he has done well in these two games . We definitely have more structure 
and shape and certainly haven’t given up as many big chances after losing the 
ball like we did under Marsch.
On the other hand, we failed to cope when the scum changed tactics and our subs 
made us worse. This was all too familiar under Marsch.
My worry would be that he lacks the experience and know how to go up against 
other managers in the key games we’ve got coming up.
The bloke that was sacked at Ajax though looks a nightmare. Won the league at 
Club Brugge, but they always win the Belgian league. Think one team pub league 
like Scotland and Austria. He managed to alienate the players and fans at Ajax 
and led them to their worst start to a season in years. He sounds like another 
Marsch, all excuses and talk about how he’s pleased with the progress etc.
So if it’s a choice between him and Skoobs, I’d keep Skoobs.
Hopefully though, the geniuses running the club have got someone better lined 
up.
On recent track record though I’m not confident!
Marsch should have gone after the Fulham game but them waiting for so long has 
made it harder to recruit a new manager and cost us points.

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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 11:00:54 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

Just to be clear - I was not implying that Dave or anyone on the list is
writing Skoobs off.  I am just curious to know whether we think he has
done enough already to justify waiting a bit longer to get someone or
rushing to get anyone with first team experience.


On 13 Feb 2023 12:50, Greg Adams wrote:
>
> /On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/
>
> /Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man,
> this team could be decent /
>
>
> Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed
> immense improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For
> me the key thing to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get
> the wrong guy, and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax
> fired a couple of weeks ago looks like a disaster waiting to happen
> judging from the comments I read from Ajax fans / dutch supporters. I
> would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it means waiting for
> the best guy for us.
>
>
>
>> As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking
>> weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just
>> loves to suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
>> Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a
>> handful of fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds.
>> Then massed ranks of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I
>> wondered for a second if the pub had been given to them) 5 vans and
>> 15 or so police outside the west Ridings.  This was the scum
>> game.Team news was as expected but the bench showed how we are
>> suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro, Joseph and
>> Mullen all made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
>> At the bus queue my lad got into it with some knob ( unfortunately
>> not the only one as it turned out) who sang the runway song, then
>> after my lads comment, tried to double and triple down with version
>> of Daisy daisy and the laughing policeman ( not putting words on
>> here) - no one joined in as we berated him , his " excuse" one of
>> them was buried in a cemetery near him and it got attention. What a
>> dick. He later remembered it was David Pegg ( buried in Doncaster)
>> Inside the ground it was the right type of hostility near us, the new
>> song as above , we all hate scum etc, with lots of backing for us "
>> Billy bremner's barmy army" - great stuff. The cheer when Adams
>> thundered into the first tackle leaving their player on the deck was
>> brilliant
>> We really got at them and Summerville missed an easy chance early on,
>> and he had another before half time in a half of few chances,
>> Meslier had to save with his feet as s woeful pass from the mainly
>> excellent Wober let in that hateful Fernandes what a horrible player
>> he is whining moaning and trying to referee it
>> Second half ( till last 10) was even  better as we created lots of
>> half chances, summerville had a save, Harrison had a flick just wide,
>> koch had a header blocked,Ayling came closest with a shot that
>> ricocheted through a scum players legs and went wide, he followed it
>> up with a great overhead kick that unfortunately went straight to the
>> keeper.  We pressed and pressed but it was not to be. At the other
>> end their first attack led to them hitting the bar, then on 80
>> minutes it all fell, apart. We had made changes Harrison and Bamford
>> off for Rutter and aaranson and it didn't work and tiredness crept
>> in. We left Rashford clear in the box and a good cross found him 0-1

Re: [LU] Marsch

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

It was very telling that Klich and Pablo both liked the club’s insta post that 
Marsch has been sacked!

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From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 3:22:39 PM
To: Greg Adams ; Richard Walker 
; Leeds List ; Simon McNally 

Subject: Re: [LU] Marsch

Surely not, they were "all in all the time"

Nick

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:18:22 AM EST, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:


Reading between the lines they definitely did!

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From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of Greg Adams mailto:g...@jitterbug.co.za>>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 3:15:32 PM
To: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>; 
Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Marsch

haha! That did cross my mind, but didn't want to say it first 

On 09 Feb 2023 17:13, Richard Walker wrote:
> Maybe they all thought he was a cunt ?
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023, 3:11 pm, Greg Adams
> mailto:g...@jitterbug.co.za>> wrote:
>
>I just heard a someone on the Guardian podcast (Lucy Ward?) say that
>none of the players have sent Marsch any farewell messages. I'm
>not on
>twitter or the other messaging apps, so I can't verify this.  Has
>anyone
>seen or heard of anything?
>
>If it is true, it would be very strange, as most players say
>thanks or
>something similarly anodyne.  Not sure what to make of it.
>
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Re: [LU] Marsch

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Reading between the lines they definitely did!

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Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 3:15:32 PM
To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Marsch

haha! That did cross my mind, but didn't want to say it first 

On 09 Feb 2023 17:13, Richard Walker wrote:
> Maybe they all thought he was a cunt ?
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023, 3:11 pm, Greg Adams
>  wrote:
>
> I just heard a someone on the Guardian podcast (Lucy Ward?) say that
> none of the players have sent Marsch any farewell messages. I'm
> not on
> twitter or the other messaging apps, so I can't verify this.  Has
> anyone
> seen or heard of anything?
>
> If it is true, it would be very strange, as most players say
> thanks or
> something similarly anodyne.  Not sure what to make of it.
>
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I’ve just seen Maric’s tweet to the fans which also feels like a veiled dig at 
Marsch.
“It wasn’t possible to instil some of the different ideas for that great group 
of highly talented players”.

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From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:15:08 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true


He said something similar the week before too, although I can’t remember 
clearly enough to recall? But you’re right Simon, Bamford is articulate and 
considered, and is clearly not blind to the tactics!


Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 22:08, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
Plus he was right!
It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
the senior players there’s no way back.

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From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>
Cc: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>; leeds list 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

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From: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they'

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
Plus he was right!
It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
the senior players there’s no way back.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch'

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 

Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
rushed and narrow.
They need to get it right this time.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch 
from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a 
year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly 
written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd 
tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press 
harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance after 
chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the opposition they 
create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title 
(a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look 
good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that 
he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with 
low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so 
good against less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights 
in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Who next ?

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Phil Hay has reported that the club like Andoni Iraola from Rayo Vallecano.
I don’t know a huge amount about him beyond he played under Bielsa at Bilbao 
and seems to play a Bielsa influenced style.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 7:21:53 PM
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Who next ?

Social media chatter seems to be around Corboran - I think that’d be an 
interesting choice.

Not impressed by any of the usual names - Big Sam (god forbid), Gerrard, I’m 
not sure I could see Pochetino at Leeds, but he’d be a statement signing. Of 
course the club seem pretty organised when replacing managers, so I anticipate 
a quick decision.

I am pleased Marsch has gone though - to me there were no signs he could turn 
it around - he seemed like a desperate gambler, not understanding why he kept 
coming home skint!



> On 6 Feb 2023, at 18:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  wrote:
>
> There seems to be no sympathy or support for Marcsh either on here or on 
> social media so the sacking seems to be the correct decision, but of course 
> that is only half the issue, even more important is who do we bring in next?
> Seen reports that Pochettino and Benitez are both out of work, and seen calls 
> for Corberan, and more surprisingly Kompany,  even seen suggestions that we 
> should get Bielsa back
> I dont watch / follow football apart from LUFC so I have no preference or 
> ideas ( dont think Bielsa should return even though I still have his statue 
> in pride of place, a figure of him was on top of my Christmas tree,  and he 
> is still my phone wallpaper,  I agree with the mantra " never go back " - 
> doubt he could turn us round again)
>
> So for those who do know about these things A, who would you want. B   who do 
> you think we will get
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Gone

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Yes!
Now at least we’ve got a chance.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Gone

   Thank the Lord!!

   On 6 Feb 2023 14:37, Richard Walker via Leedslist
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 Jessie gone !
 According to some Twitter reports but I remember them reporting
 Peter Lorimer was dead when he wasn't.
 Waiting for official confirmation from Popey and Hay
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

One of the limpest performances for a long time that second half.
Really not sure what he sees in Greenwood and the new lad McKennie looks to be 
carrying a bit of timber.
We could have played all night and not scored.
I agree regarding the squad but I worry the board will leave it too late to get 
rid.
They seemed to have properly doubled down on him - signing some more of his 
players and appointing his mate as assistant.

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From: Richard Walker 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 5:25:58 PM
To: nat...@sky.com ; Simon McNally ; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Hope so. We have one tactic and that’s give the ball to Gnonto. Forest 
nullified that in the 2nd half and we were toothless 2nd half. We totally ran 
out of ideas.
I think there’s enough talent in the team to stay up but I can’t see it with 
Marsch in charge.


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On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 5:12 pm, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position long 
after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have got a good 
player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have Firpo
Looking at social media tonight Jesse is done

On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:


That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely 
rubbish.

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On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:

Yes.
Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. Not 
sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.


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mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>
Cc: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>; leeds list 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com><mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com<mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>>
 wrote:

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

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> On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin 
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>  wrote:
>
> With you here
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>
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Yes.
Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. Not 
sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.


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Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Michael Benjamin ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

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From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

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> On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin 
> mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
>
> With you here
> --Michael
>
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of nattan--- via Leedslist
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Forest
>
>  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
> at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation rivals 
> could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up unlikely 
> wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and Bournemouth got 
> nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( one game) but after 
> scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same number.
> It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> get points today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer 
> window bringing in 3 players, but the fans are yet to be convinced and a 
> defeat today and Wednesday could see a real backlash if we then go behind on 
> Sunday. A win today eases that pressure a bit and fans can then largely 
> ignore the next 2 results and concentrate on getting wins v Southampton and 
> Everton He needs to pick the right team ( whatever that is, I'm sure we all 
> have our own ideas) and get the tactics rightRegards tactics there is a video 
> on YouTube well worth watching by Leeds  Lately  entitled " Leeds need to fix 
> this problem,  the complete guide to Jesse Marcsh tactics"Lots of talk about 
> half lanes and stinger crosses etc,  very clear and informative For what its 
> worth,  and I have no idea re fitness/ sharpness in training etc I would go  
> 4 3 3 Meslier Ayling, Cooper,  Wober, Struijk Roca Adams McKinney Gnonto  
> Bamford Harrison That means can bring on Rutter, Summerville,  Sinisterra 
> from the bench as any of the front 3 tire As I say this is without seeing how 
> match ready McKinney etc  are Dave 
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>
> With you here
> --Michael
>
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Forest
>
>  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
> at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation rivals 
> could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up unlikely 
> wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and Bournemouth got 
> nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( one game) but after 
> scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same number.
> It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> get points today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer 
> window bringing in 3 players, but the fans are yet to be convinced and a 
> defeat today and Wednesday could see a real backlash if we then go behind on 
> Sunday. A win today eases that pressure a bit and fans can then largely 
> ignore the next 2 results and concentrate on getting wins v Southampton and 
> Everton He needs to pick the right team ( whatever that is, I'm sure we all 
> have our own ideas) and get the tactics rightRegards tactics there is a video 
> on YouTube well worth watching by Leeds  Lately  entitled " Leeds need to fix 
> this problem,  the complete guide to Jesse Marcsh tactics"Lots of talk about 
> half lanes and stinger crosses etc,  very clear and informative For what its 
> worth,  and I have no idea re fitness/ sharpness in training etc I would go  
> 4 3 3 Meslier Ayling, Cooper,  Wober, Struijk Roca Adams McKinney Gnonto  
> Bamford Harrison That means can bring on Rutter, Summerville,  Sinisterra 
> from the bench as any of the front 3 tire As I say this is without seeing how 
> match ready McKinney etc  are Dave 
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Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Yes, at times we looked to be 433 with Harrison on the left of the midfield 3. 
As Rich says though, I’m not convinced by either Greenwood or Roca in central 
midfield and certainly not Aaronson.
Roca is a mystery though. I keep seeing people posting metrics on Twitter that 
show him in a very positive light, but when I actually watch him at the games I 
just don’t see it. The games seem to pass him by most of the time.
Really pleased to see Bamford back and scoring but still massive concerns about 
the defence when we play a prem team.

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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 2:52:28 PM
To: Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

I thought Harrison seemed to be playing more centrally last night - not out on 
the touchline. I wonder if that’s part of a longer-term plan; wouldn’t hate the 
idea of him in the middle of the pitch…

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> On 19 Jan 2023, at 14:46, Nick  wrote:
>
> As we were leaving last night we said what we needed was a McAllister-type 
> in there to be the brains and knit it all together…
>
> Nick
>
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 13:57, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have.
>>
>> I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams 
>> to protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box 
>> alongside him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i 
>> midfield when teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is 
>> poor.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position
>>
>> At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo
>> at the moment
>> For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i
>> think Rutter can play there as well
>>
>> For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide
>> anyway.
>>
>> I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he
>> played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
>> I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.
>>
>> Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played
>> left-back.
>> Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Nick" mailto:n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>>
>> To: "Leeds List 2010" mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>> I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and
>> Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly
>> effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and
>> organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the
>> 2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
>> A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a
>> real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
>> And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
>> No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
>> We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly
>> pants yesterday.
>> Nick
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist > >
>> wrote:
>> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have
>> but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
>> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal
>> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse
>> also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp
>> enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off
>> the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he
>> gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is
>> Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse
>> favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
>> Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH
>> last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely
>> on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so
>> does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who
>> plays alongside Koch
>> It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future ,
>> but if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will
>> make his position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of
>> us there last night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will
>> come right but are worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A
>> win at least gives him breathing space and may provide a platform for
>> the upcoming games
>> Looking at highlights from last night 

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Thought Firpo did ok today.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:03:53 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)

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> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
>
> Oh, he’s back ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>>
>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>> about 10 minutes!
>>
>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>>
 On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
 When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!

 Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
 organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!

 Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
 is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
 Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, 
 as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?

 Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...



 We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.

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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

And again

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Simon McNally via 
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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:29:22 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Peter Castlehouse 

Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

Shambles

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:27:38 PM
To: Peter Castlehouse 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
themselves?

Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
win it imho!

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> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>
> Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
>
> Pete C
> t'original one
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
>
> I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got humbled 
> by a committed Cardiff team.
>
> The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to read 
> that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts Leeds 
> fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still painful.
>
> It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history as 
> nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
>
> Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have to 
> live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's pick a 
> team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players rather than 
> encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a pointless sideshow to 
> the league.
>
> KoT.
>
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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Shambles

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:27:38 PM
To: Peter Castlehouse 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
themselves?

Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
win it imho!

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> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>
> Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
>
> Pete C
> t'original one
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
>
> I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got humbled 
> by a committed Cardiff team.
>
> The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to read 
> that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts Leeds 
> fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still painful.
>
> It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history as 
> nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
>
> Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have to 
> live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's pick a 
> team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players rather than 
> encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a pointless sideshow to 
> the league.
>
> KoT.
>
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Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Agree.
Take the first Bournemouth goal the other week. They double up on Struijk, 
which draws Cooper across , which means Koch has to cover Cooper’s man, which 
leaves Rasmus covering two players. He opts for covering Moore and the spare 
man scores.
You can blame individual errors but this kind of thing happens multiple times 
every game and it’s a matter of when, not if, we’ll concede.
We are also terrible in the defensive transition. Look how many times an 
opposition attack begins with us losing the ball high up the pitch. One ball 
over the top and they’re in on goal.
Again, if it happens once you think player error but if it keeps happening you 
think tactics / set up.
I think you can think the board should have signed more players, especially 
left back and centre back, and question the tactics Marsch employs.
That’s where I’m at - I think he’s lucky to have got the Leeds job and even 
luckier to still have it.
The squad needs investment in Jan but I’m not convinced the board will spend 
any money unless the Americans take over.

Simon

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 5:56:58 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 

Subject: Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

I wasn't meaning to blame Meslier. I blame the tactics, massive holes 
everywhere. Every game there are at last two/three situations where two people 
are just wide open at the far post or at the top of the box. And by wide open I 
mean 5/7 yards free.
Nick
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:23:31 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
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A good young keeper, behind a porous defence.

Nick


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> On 13 Nov 2022, at 17:18, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
>
> 
> 7 from 33 is a bad return
>
> Nick
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:58:35 AM EST, Nick 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Having just watched the MOTD playback, I just wanted to express some sympathy 
> for our Keeper, the records show he let 4 in, when in reality there was 
> nothing he could do about the first 3:
>
> 1 - a clear foul - that it is not even (apparently) looked at by VAR is 
> ludicrous, especially when you consider Bamford’s disallowed effort vs 
> Arsenal 3 weeks ago.
>
> 2 - having moved across the goal to cover the first effort, there is a 
> clearance that falls to some guy in 10 yards of space on the edge of the box, 
> his shot goes beyond Meslier, moving back across goal when Rasmus on the line 
> tries to clear it, kicks it into Meslier and that bounces into the goal
>
> 3 - a deflected shot (when the guy should been closed down again).
>
>
> Feel real sorry for the keeper.
>
> Still, 6 points from those 3 games is not a bad return.
>
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Spuds

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Their first should never have stood. I’ve seen their third and fourth and 
Cooper is at fault for both.
Agree about Marsch. We are far too open and his subs / switching to 5 at the 
back killed us here.
At least Rodrigo is looking like the player we thought we’d signed.
We desperately need :
A new manager
A left back
At least one centre back
Another striker

I don’t want to see Cooper or Ayling in a Leeds shirt again.

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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 5:14:53 PM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Spuds

Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today,
but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they
finally took.

We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a
chance.  Spurs were there for the taking, but no team can defend like
that against any PL team, let alone a so-called top six one. This team
does not know how to defend. The first two goals were the result of
sloppy play by us.  I did not see the third and fourth.

It's time to let the clown go.  His 'tactics' are a joke. There are
enough decent players in the squad for us to be much better than this.
Just look at how many times there are three Leeds players pressing one
opponent and still do not win the ball or stop the player from playing
the ball out.  It's already been pointed out by many on this list that
we are easy to attack out wide,yet we persist with two midfielders - one
of whom is useless defensively and the other is permanently in headless
chicken mode.

Ah, fuck it. I'm too pissed off.  I want this guy and his penisball
out.  Hopefully we can find someone who at least has a clue of how to
manage in a top rated league.

Bring back Bielsa.


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Re: [LU] Fwd: Last 7 games

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

By the sound of it, Carlos is about to be appointed by West Brom. Poch would be 
incredible but I can’t really see him coming to a team in the bottom three, 
particularly where the owner isn’t likely to stump up for either his wages or 
new signings.

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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 4:50:18 PM
To: Scott1cairns1 ; Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Last 7 games

Carlos or Potch

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Sent: 24 October 2022 16:45
To: Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Last 7 games

Any realistic suggestions as to a replacement.

Best regards,Scott.

> On 24 Oct 2022, at 12:29, Nick  wrote:
>
> I don’t know what to say any more. The precipitous descent from the joy of 
> watching football under Bielsa to this type of ham-fisted display, with no 
> hope, little fight or belief, without even the basics of playing football - 
> ball-control, good passing and movement, marking, tracking and tackling of 
> opponents - is really disheartening to see.
>
> Just a case in point - Jack Harrison - when we first signed him on loan he 
> was lightweight, flashes of brilliance but seriously under-delivering and 
> very much a “confidence player”…built up and believed in, he became one of 
> the top deliverers of chances (plus a few goals) in the league, from the 
> left-wing - we fend off Newcastle’s bid, for what? to ruin his impact by 
> playing him through the middle and/or down the right. Nonsense.
>
> I’m not really one for chasing managers out - although I do remember singing 
> “Wilko its time to go” back in the day - but it seems pretty clear to me that 
> a) JM is out of his depth, and b) our survival last year was at least as much 
> down to the brilliance of Raphinha rescuing games for us (with cameos from 
> Joffy etc) as it was down to the coaching team.
>
> Hope disappeared yesterday the minute they equalised - I mean who could know 
> that marking their big bastard of a centre forward and not allowing a free 
> header 6 yards out from a corner, was a good idea… - and we never looked like 
> getting it back. Fulham were tidy, but nowhere near unbeatable - same for 
> Leicester, really. They just went round us or through us, when they wanted to.
>
> Being a Leeds fan - we had a few glorious years when a different reality was 
> shown to be possible, but now we’re back to earth with a thump - stings 
> dunnit?
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Ted 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games
>> Date: 23 October 2022 at 22:38:42 BST
>> To: John Lee 
>> Cc: leedslist 
>>
>> Agree totally John. Get rid now.
>>
>> Ted H
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, 22:37 John Lee via Leedslist,
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The question that should be asked is if he stays what does he have
>>> to offer that will change what is happening? I don’t see him
>>> affecting things positively full stop!
>>>
>>> Get rid asap, not because he’s American , or because his cliched
>>> jargonise is very annoying, but because he cannot organise a
>>> football team and stop them losing!
>>>
>>> There is so much of the season left to give a new manager time to
>>> reverse the slide, but if they piss about until Xmas it may be too late?
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [LU] Marsch v Bielsa

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Been saying the same things. I genuinely couldn’t tell you what Marsch’s style 
is. We try to play out from the back, with a few extremely high risk passes 
between defenders but because it’s not as slick as under Bielsa and there’s not 
as much off the ball movement (most of the time all our forwards are in a line 
at the half way line) the ball gets punted forward anyway.
Bamford/Rodrigo doesn’t win the header and the opposition are on the attack 
again.
We’re hopelessly narrow, really poor when we lose the ball high up field and 
unless something dramatic happens, sleepwalking towards relegation.

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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 12:32:22 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Marsch v Bielsa

We were discussing pre match how come Marsch was seen as the successor to 
Bielsa. The claim from  the club was it would be a natural progression with an 
improved defence
However when we started analysing things it is different.  Bielsa loved to play 
with wingers, at least one of them ( often Harrison) would always hug the 
touchline and was an easy 'out ball' , Marsch wants everything played through 
the middle and in a narrow (  " penis" - copyright the square ball) formation,  
to quote jesss " the goals are in the middle of the pitch"
Bielsa was all about possession and keeping the ball  Marsch is all about 
transition and turn over, letting the opposition have the ball and then force 
them into errors / giving the ball up in dangerous areas.
The perfect Bielsa goal is after 10 or more passes, Marsch wants one or two 
passes to score.
Bielsa all about man marking , Marsch all zonal, both at set pieces and in open 
play, all move to the side of the pitch where the ball is.
Bielsa was all about integrity and never moaning at refs - Marsch the polar 
opposite,  get in the refs face and 'bully them into giving you the next 
decision "
The only thing their teams had in common was the amount of running they do. 
Under Bielsa and Marsch our players cover more ground and do more running  , 
generally speaking,  than the opposition.  This one factor does not seem enough 
to make Jesse the natural successor in terms of style of play.
Whatever, they need to make the correct decision now or we are facing more 
years in the doldrums ( our 20,000 season ticket waiting list will disappear 
overnight if relegated) They need to get " sack or back" correct and if sack , 
make the right choice in replacing him. Bielsa was always going to be  hard / 
impossible to replace but they appear to have got it very wrong
Dave
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Re: [LU] Last 7 games

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I still think that the board haven’t invested properly in the squad. We sold 
our two best players and only used the proceeds from their sales to fund the 
signings in the summer.
There are a number of players that served us well in escaping the championship 
but it’s time they were replaced / moved on. I’m thinking Cooper, Ayling, 
Bamford for starters.


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From: Richard Walker 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 10:57:16 AM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Leeds List 2010 
; Simon McNally 
Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Simon. Even losing with Bielsa 
was at times decent to watch. We have no plan with Marsh.

On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 10:54:40 BST, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:


I think the other issue facing Marsch is that the quality of football has been 
so poor. At least under Bielsa the matches were exciting even if we didn’t win 
but the majority of games this season have been dire.
It’s hard to see a massive improvement though until Radz and co stick their 
hands in their pockets a bit more.
Not signing a left back or a striker with experience is looking a worse 
decision by the week and we look short in midfield too if we get any injuries.
I’m also not sure how you’d look at a defence that conceded so many goals last 
year and think you could get away without signing a new centre back either.

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mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 10:44:26 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Last 7 games

Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points)

Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points)

Just copied from another site!


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Re: [LU] Last 7 games

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I think the other issue facing Marsch is that the quality of football has been 
so poor. At least under Bielsa the matches were exciting even if we didn’t win 
but the majority of games this season have been dire.
It’s hard to see a massive improvement though until Radz and co stick their 
hands in their pockets a bit more.
Not signing a left back or a striker with experience is looking a worse 
decision by the week and we look short in midfield too if we get any injuries.
I’m also not sure how you’d look at a defence that conceded so many goals last 
year and think you could get away without signing a new centre back either.

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Subject: [LU] Last 7 games

Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points)

Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points)

Just copied from another site!


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Re: [LU] Arsenal

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I’ve watched it back a few times and I think they both make a meal of it. 
Yellow for me.

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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 11:29:19 AM
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Arsenal

OK your point is taken that it was not a penalty  as Bamford had fouled first, 
I accept that.. HOWEVER, the red card should have remained as whether the 
ball was in play or not that was a studs up kick out attack and would be 
classed as violent conduct and should still be a sending off. Am I right or 
what? Or are the players now allowed to chin each other to no consequence 
because the ball is in touch and not in play?

> On 17 Oct 2022, at 09:13, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
>  I missed the game despite spending hours on the phone and entering into the 
> ballot so watched on TV.
> I feel a lot better this morning than I did after the Palace game. We were 
> excellent second half and Arsenal looked out on their feet at times. Was this 
> a consequence of playing last Thursday ? Maybe, but who cares ?
> First of all the controversial ending - unfortunately it was a blatant push 
> by Bamford so no chance of a penalty. Yes their guy lashed out a bit with his 
> feet and you could argue that was a red but Bamford had already committed the 
> first foul.
> I thought first half we competed well but were 2nd best and Arsenal had the 
> best chances whilst we only made their keeper work once from a scrappy 
> corner. Our tactics weren't really working with Harrison playing as a striker 
> and Rodrigo as a no 10 where he was pretty ineffective.
> Marsch said that it was an agree swap at half time of Rod for Bamford (you 
> don't often hear about planned subs like that). It did work though and for 
> all the abuse Bamford got on Sunday night Twitter I thought he was excellent 
> and really made the difference. Arsenal couldn't cope with him and as a 
> result Aaronson and Siri started to get more space and time. It was one way 
> traffic for most of the half and the only surprise was that we didn't win it 
> 3 or 4-1, we were that much better. Finishing however it becoming a problem 
> and you can see that Bamford is getting twitchy. On another day though, his 
> disallowed effort which looked like a dodgy decision in slow motion is given 
> and he sticks the pen away, we win and he's a hero - of course that didn't 
> happen his haters will say.
> I think that performance made me realise what Marsch is trying to do and it 
> could work although I've still got that nagging feeling that the only reason 
> we overran them was because they were knackered.
> My scores:
> Meslier - 7 Didn't do a lot wrong. Some blamed him for the goal, I think 
> that's a bit harsh
> Rasmus - 8 Definitely looked a lot better last two games. He is never going 
> to offer as much as Ayling going forward though
> Struijk - 7. Struggled first half but then realised he need to get to Saka 
> earlier and after that Saka never had a kick. He also got forward well which 
> he has done in the last 2 games.
> Cooper - 7. Solid. No complaints.
> Koch - 8. Extra solid
> Adams - 7. I sometimes feel he's fighting a one man battle in there as I 
> don't think Roca helps him too much. Gets through a lot of work.
> Roca - 5. Poor first half in which he was a passenger but to his credit he 
> like everyone improved 2nd half and put in some good work and good balls. For 
> me though he's disappointed.
> Harrison - 5. Out of position.
> Rodrigo - 4. Ridiculous pass for the goal
> Sinistera - 8. Lively throughout even in the first half. Probably needs to 
> get a bit fitter
> Aaronson - 8. I thought that was his best game for a while especially 2nd 
> half where he ran them ragged down the left wing.
> Subs:
> Bamford - 8. Missed pen but was the difference for me
> Koch - busy
> Jimmy - missed a great chance
>
> Thankfully I've got a ticket for Fulham so looking forward to Sunday.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 08:42:01 BST, Nick  
> wrote:
>
> So ref doesn’t see a clear handball, game goes on for nearly a minute until 
> someone gets his attention - VAR & a penalty, which we miss.
> Then in injury time there’s a tussle as Bamford goes through, there’s some 
> afters and their 6 kicks his studs up and into Bamford - doesn’t look like a 
> penalty but he gives it and sends their guy off, for the violent conduct I 
> assume, because the tussle wasn’t a sending off. There’s 5 minutes while they 
> go nuts. VAR again - penalty and red card overturned.
> What is the point?
>
> Add to this the 35 minute break in the first minute, when we lost power and 
> the referees can’t communicate via their little walkie-talkies…but you know 
> it was a clear sunny afternoon, we had a ball, the ref had his whistle and 
> the linesman had their flags… don’t know how managed for the 130 years before 
> all this technology.

Re: [LU] Article by Phil Hay

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. I’m way too cheap to pay for an athletic 
subscription!

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Leeds United’s last taste of relegation came in 2007, and on the eve of that 
season Ken Bates invited the coaching staff to a lunch at Elland Road. It was 
how Bates liked to kick things off — a last chat between chairman and manager 
before business got underway.Leeds had lost in the Championship play-off final 
a few months earlier, falling one win short of the Premier League. Bates wanted 
to know how his manager, Kevin Blackwell, thought the next nine months would go 
and Blackwell was painfully honest. There’s a danger we might go down, he 
warned. The squad is past its best and hasn’t seen enough improvement. Another 
promotion bid would be asking a lot. Bates’ wife was so annoyed by the 
negativity that she got up and left the table.There was none of that friction 
at Leeds last summer, or nothing out of the ordinary. Marcelo Bielsa was not in 
the habit of sharing dinner with the club’s board and the board knew better 
than to distract him with a new season about to begin. Talks about a contract 
extension had been protracted, but Bielsa’s contract talks usually were and 
these negotiations had been less complicated than the previous round. He was 
showing no inclination to leave. On the contrary, he had carefully monitored 
the installation of new state-of-the-art pitches at the stadium and training 
ground — work costing seven figures. His attitude was unchanged and physically 
Leeds had never seen him in better shape.The contentment, the confidence, the 
sense of order — so much of it felt like another lifetime as Leeds avoided the 
guillotine by the skin of their teeth at Brentford, clawing themselves to 
safety on a final day to beat all final days. There was Stuart Dallas saying in 
July that the club’s readiness was “more advanced” than it had been for the 
2020-21 Premier League season, optimism born of the fact that the players were 
smashing running targets at Thorp Arch. There was Andrea Radrizzani talking 
about his attempts to persuade Bielsa to de-stress, describing the day before 
the season began as “like the night before an exam. Obviously you stress but 
when you have done your job well, relax and enjoy”. In everyone’s opinion, 
Bielsa was on top of his.There was Victor Orta joking about the fan who sent 
him a letter detailing 62 ways in which Orta went wrong while Leeds were 
heading for ninth in the top flight. “You have to have a lot of free time to do 
that,” Orta said. Bielsa’s coaches privately believed this season might be more 
challenging, but after a top-half finish in their first year after promotion, 
their caution was relative. It was business as usual, life as usual and Leeds 
as they had come to be. The colour draining from the faces of Radrizzani, Orta 
and CEO Angus Kinnear said everything as relegation crept up on them and almost 
swallowed them, their self-assurance blown apart. From top to bottom, the club 
had been blindsided.But after the torment came the reprieve, an emotion so 
sharp that only a relegation battle can cause it. On the pitch, in the dugout, 
in the directors’ box there was love, there was relief, there was beauty in 
living to fight another day, the apparent inevitability of the drop turned on 
its head. A scrape as close as this cannot happen again, not if Leeds want to 
be all they can be, but there was, momentarily, a glorious sheen on Leeds as 
they swarmed the pitch at Brentford; many wrongs to right but, against the 
odds, the heart still beating.One of Bielsa’s side projects in his last close 
season was the construction of a gym at Elland Road, costing more than £100,000 
and built for the non-playing staff who worked there day to day. It was 
designed by his wife and named after a long-time employee at Leeds, Peter 
“Stix” Lockwood, with whom Bielsa was close. Leeds were elevating their 
infrastructure — pitches, gym equipment — but not dramatically elevating their 
squad. The plan was to sign a left-back and a central midfielder, their two 
priorities. They were also open to moving on a winger if any of those Bielsa 
rated became available as the transfer window wore on.Bielsa signed off on a 
£12-million deal for Junior Firpo from Barcelona and, after much analysis, 
asked Leeds to go after Conor Gallagher. Gallagher was available on loan from 
Chelsea but the approaches made for him by Leeds and Crystal Palace for him 
were different. Patrick Vieira, Palace’s manager, spoke to Gallagher personally 
and promised him regular starts. It was not Bielsa’s style to do the same or to 
make any guarantees. He had famously put Ben White in the under-23s dressing 
room after signing him on loan from Brighton, despite the fact that White 

Re: [LU] Chelsea

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Agree with all these comments.
I didn’t have much hope before the game and after the ease with which Chelsea 
scored early I had done.
I never leave early but I was really tempted after the third went in.
I can’t see what the plan was, other than try to keep it tight and try to nick 
one from a set piece. Only problem is we kept giving the ball away. One of the 
many issues with our new system is that there aren’t players open for passes 
anymore so it’s just a lump upfield and back on the defensive again.
Agree Phillips looks lost and Rapha barely had a kick.
It’s some achievement to find a strategy that nullifies our two most effective 
players!
Thought Rodrigo was very poor again.

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Agree totally Dave, it was poor. I didn't get a ticket and can't say I'm too 
upset by that.
I think Marsch had an impossible job in trying to reengineer the team after 
Bielsa but you have to say that what he is doing is clueless. Playing with 3 
wingers but yet not playing down the wings and trying to play through midfield 
when we don't have one ! or should I say, we don't have a mobile one. Bielsa 
got that and he wasn't fussed to buy midfielders because he created the perfect 
role for Philips and all his play was down the flanks. Bate and Philips 
yesterday against a dymanic, pacey Chelsea midfield was actually very 
embarrassing. It was the mismatch of the century. It's clear that Philips can't 
play in a free midfield, he doesn't have the pace or the creativity and Bate is 
just a young lad. We've also got Raphinha hel;ping out in defence and taking 
long throw-ins and Jack Harrison doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. These 
tactics were supposed to make us more solid but they don't and Chelsea could 
have had double figures. Who said that Marsch was the ideal replacement for 
Bielsa because he plays similar - that was obviously nonsense. It's all very 
depressing but I would suggest some drastic action by sacking Marsch today and 
putting Jackson in for the final two games. If nothing else we might get a 
reaction and also it looks like the team will have a few U-23s in on Sunday.
We're not down yet !
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 wrote:


That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas the 
ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had a clue 
what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the window as 
we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with Dan James 
redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could get 9 pts and 
go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match talk was that one 
point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but now I can’t even see 
where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants 
ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
Total shambles
Need to win on Sunday but how ???
Very disgruntled
Dave
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Re: [LU] Abject

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I think that’s the worst I’ve seen us play for a long long time.
Where do you even start?
I’d say Harrison put in one of the worst displays ever in a Leeds shirt but 
Rodrigo was even worse.
Forshaw was particularly bad first half but then he couldn’t get in our team 
when we were in the championship so he was always going to be second best to 
Coutinho.
Dallas looks like his legs have gone, Struijk was all over the place , firpo 
terrible and raphinha doesn’t looked arsed.
I couldn’t even tell you what formation we were playing or what the plan for 
attack was.
We seemed to leave their wing backs in acres of space and got punished for it.
There’s no way we’re staying up.
Anything less than a win on Sunday and it’ll turn very toxic at elland road.
A lot more booing of the team today than I can remember for a long time.

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Subject: [LU] Abject

That was fucking abject.

Still at least 4 players out of position. Dallas had his worst game in a Leeds 
shirt.

We cannot rely on everyone else being as bad as us.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Memo

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Ha! Just heard a caller on 606 say they’d have Steve Bruce in!

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From Steve BruceTo Glazier BrothersI am available.LoveSteve
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Re: [LU] Leeds 0 wolves 1

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Brilliant finish to the game!
Really impressed with Gelhardt

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Exactly, Geldhart was a revelation, what a battler?

On 23/10/2021 17:02, Michael Benjamin wrote:
> But we fought, Gelhardt and Sommerville are stars to be.
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Re: [LU] Leeds 0 wolves 1

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Very frustrating so far. I think we’ve been decent and controlled most of the 
game.
Some very poor defending down our left side and our usual poor decision making 
in the final third.
Wolves have started diving and play acting already.

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After some half decent Leeds attacking, shite defending..
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Re: [LU] Coach 22

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Agree on all points! I’d have Shack in midfield and Cooper nowhere near the 
team.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22

Alioski defied my understanding at times. Not quick, often out of position, BUT 
we invariably looked better with him in, he had an attackers instinct, and he 
was quite prepared to foul/cheat to win! Plus he ran, and he ran and he ran! He 
was prepared to try anything and chase when he f*cked up.

Roberts to me seems like a half decent player who wants too much time to think 
it through, and slows down momentum. It was him and Klich who conspired to lose 
the ball against Southampton which lead to the goal of course.

I still maintain Shacks should be in the midfield permanently, and Drameh 
should be promoted and in at r/b. Then there’s Cooper? If we continue with him 
as a first choice I can easily see us going down!



On 18 Oct 2021, at 18:08, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

I agree Alioski is a strange one. He seemed to get the fans and definitely 
brought energy to the team.
Roberts really frustrates me. He appears to have everything - he destroyed West 
Brom at elland road a few years ago and the goals he scored at Hull before 
lockdown were pure class. He just hasn’t kicked on in the way that some of the 
others have. I don’t think he’s as terrible as social media would have us 
believe. He usually does more than Rodrigo, which I know is damning with faint 
praise!

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I don’t think we can say too much about Roberts. He had the potential (we 
generally agreed) and has failed to take the chance but the decision to stick 
with him until now has been a reasonable one.

I’m annoyed about Rodrigo - just not even giving glimpses that he did before.

Alioski going is the interesting one. He clearly understands the system in a 
way that, for example, Heldar Costa never did and that to me is the proof that 
Bielsa knows best. The club said they wanted to keep Alioski but he felt it was 
time to move. I wonder why?

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> On 18 Oct 2021, at 17:48, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get 
> premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves.
> Without him we are well and truly screwed.
> I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The 
> problems arise when they aren’t available.
> I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was 
> expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the 
> depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know 
> Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each 
> position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player.
> I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how 
> important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never 
> mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then 
> we’ve got problems!
> I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he 
> arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and 
> I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press.
> There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch 
> their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him.
>
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> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:56:06 PM
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> Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22
>
> Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope 
> ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish 
>>> mailto:edmorr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 0

Re: [LU] Coach 22

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I agree Alioski is a strange one. He seemed to get the fans and definitely 
brought energy to the team.
Roberts really frustrates me. He appears to have everything - he destroyed West 
Brom at elland road a few years ago and the goals he scored at Hull before 
lockdown were pure class. He just hasn’t kicked on in the way that some of the 
others have. I don’t think he’s as terrible as social media would have us 
believe. He usually does more than Rodrigo, which I know is damning with faint 
praise!

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To: Simon McNally 
Cc: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; e...@morrish.org 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22

I don’t think we can say too much about Roberts. He had the potential (we 
generally agreed) and has failed to take the chance but the decision to stick 
with him until now has been a reasonable one.

I’m annoyed about Rodrigo - just not even giving glimpses that he did before.

Alioski going is the interesting one. He clearly understands the system in a 
way that, for example, Heldar Costa never did and that to me is the proof that 
Bielsa knows best. The club said they wanted to keep Alioski but he felt it was 
time to move. I wonder why?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Oct 2021, at 17:48, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get 
> premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves.
> Without him we are well and truly screwed.
> I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The 
> problems arise when they aren’t available.
> I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was 
> expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the 
> depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know 
> Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each 
> position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player.
> I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how 
> important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never 
> mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then 
> we’ve got problems!
> I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he 
> arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and 
> I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press.
> There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch 
> their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him.
>
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> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
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> To: e...@morrish.org 
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> Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22
>
> Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope 
> ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of 
>>> years?
>>
>> Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. 
>> Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the 
>> England team.
>>
>> Ed.
>>
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Re: [LU] Coach 22

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get 
premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves.
Without him we are well and truly screwed.
I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The 
problems arise when they aren’t available.
I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was 
expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the 
depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know 
Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each position 
isn’t too much worse than the first choice player.
I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how 
important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never 
mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then 
we’ve got problems!
I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he arsed 
at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and I think 
that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press.
There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch their 
hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him.

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Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope ;-)

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> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>
>> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of 
>> years?
>
> Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. 
> Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the 
> England team.
>
> Ed.
>
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Re: [LU] Liverpool

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Not much to add to the other reports. I was looking forward to the game, as 
much for seeing live football in person as any real hope we’d get much out of 
the game.
I thought we started ok and Rodrigo should have taken his chance (or at least 
hit in somewhere other than straight at Alisson).
The more the game went on though, the more we looked second best (by a 
distance).
I was talking to someone about the Rodrigo at 10 issue before the game. I can 
see the logic in a game against a lesser team where we are expecting to 
dominate the ball and will be trying to break down a packed defence but against 
a top four side it’s suicide. We are far too open through the middle and we saw 
Matip carry the ball 40 yards unchallenged for their first goal.
I think Bielsa rates Roberts but it’s a like for like change when he replaces 
Rodrigo.
I thought the red card was a nonsense and Klopp has no business running into 
the field of play.
Thought Firpo did ok against Salah (who is a whining cheat) - he won’t face 
many better than him.
Phillips I thought looked head and shoulders our best player - he’s gone up 
another level.
It was kind of Klopp to bring on Henderson to even up the numbers a bit after 
the red card. He is absolutely garbage.
I don’t think you can read too much into defeats against the scum and the 
scousers, as much as it hurts they are in a different league to us. I was quite 
pleased with the draw against Everton. I think Benitez will get them to top six 
this year. The only game I was disappointed with was the Burnley game, we just 
didn’t look that threatening but they were trying to kick us off the park and I 
still don’t understand how they didn’t get at least one red.
I think Newcastle isn’t necessarily a must win, just a mustn’t lose.
Hopefully we find some rhythm in the upcoming games.
I also think that this will the final season for some of our championship 
players. Cooper is fourth choice cb for me and shouldn’t be anywhere near the 
first team, I’m worried that Ayling looks to be struggling and I’m not 
convinced Roberts offers much.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Liverpool



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> On 13 Sep 2021, at 12:29, Tim Whelan  wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it was correct that Liverpool's first goal did stand. As it 
> was pointed out to me while I was baying for a VAR intervention, Salah was 
> behind the ball when it was played across the face of the goal, therefore not 
> in an offside position.

Yep, true, but when the ball was played out to the right both Mane and Salah 
were off -
given that was in the build up to the goal then they clearly gained advantage 
from it. It is,
clearly, a Liverpool tactic to leave men in the goal-hanger position in the 
hope that they
can either sprint onside at the last minute, or that the lino will miss it?

All that said, it was a bit embarrassing when Sky flashed up the no of chances 
- Leeds
had 9, Mane alone had 10! Goal hanging pays off :-(





>
> As far as Roberts is concerned, his main contribution was to screw a shot 
> well wide from a decent position on the edge of the area. Normally he sends 
> the ball over the bar from that distance. Whenever he comes on for Rodrigo it 
> feels like a change for the sake of making a change, as he's not good enough 
> to offer anything different at this level.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "John Lee via Leedslist" 
> To: "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
> Cc: "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" 
> Sent: Monday, 13 Sep, 21 At 10:31
> Subject: Re: [LU] Liverpool
>
> Re Rich’s big question and can we play with 2 wingers and Rodrigo - the 
> answer is no! I like Rodrigo, good player, but he has neither the tactical or 
> defensive nouse to play that role, and I don’t think he’s fit enough either. 
> I too would have definitely had Shackleton on in his place, and Klich too, 
> although Llorente’s injury scuppered likely substitutions.
>
>
>
> I’m not going to talk much about Cooper, because we all know he gives it all 
> he’s got, but realistically he’s an ageing Championship-level defender who 
> keeps getting found out! The only real question is why does Bielsa keep 
> picking him knowing that in all probability the same thing will happen? My 
> main gripe, re the defence, is Ayling - I thought he was heading downhill 
> towards the end of last season - his positional sense is poor, his blocking 
> is patchy (another through his legs yesterday), but it’s his passing from 
> right-back which are constantly wayward that put us under immediate pressure 
> time and again, usually half way into our own half. This needs to change. I 
> would have Cody Drameh in at right-back now. As for Aylings ‘chance’ - why 
> didn’t he head it?
>
>
>
> Hopefully the club will 

Re: [LU] Get in - I have a WBA ticket

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Congrats mate. I’ve not got anything yet (apart from the usual spam emails)!

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Good luck to rest of ST holders - check you email ( inc spam )Result So chuffed 
after 16 months or whatever it is away from ERDave
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Re: [LU] Question re WBA ballot

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Me too - I’ve entered the ballot and got an email confirming it

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Hi Dave - yes - I got a confirmation email saying I'd entered the ballot.

Can you not login again and see if it says you've already entered?

Ted H


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> into it ? Anyone else either had a confirmation email or ( having applied)
> not had one ?Cheers Dave
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Re: [LU] Hammers

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Not much to add to that.
I think for the corner goal, you’ve got to be looking at the keeper too. He’s 
about 8 yards out when he heads it in - surely the keeper has to take 
responsibility there?
I did hear that Klich is carrying an injury but he’s looked well off the pace 
for a long time. I think he needs a break from starting. Perhaps the step up 
from the champ is too much for him?
Agree about Costa. I think he looked lively when coming on as a sub a couple of 
times and deserved a start but I’ve not seen anything to suggest he deserves to 
stay in the team.
Agree about West Ham. We were the better side for long periods and should 
really have taken something from the game.
There’s a few I think that have reached their maximum level . I did hear talk 
of 5 signings in the summer?

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Subject: [LU] Hammers

Started really brightly and took West Ham by surprise. We looked quick and 
first to the ball for the first 15 mins and had the ball in the back of the net 
twice, one of which was the closest of off-sides. Then it all went to shit as 
Ayling swung his foot at Lingard in the box and gave away a needless free kick. 
It was really poor stuff from Ayling and capped off a really disappointing 
night for him. Miesler was unlucky with the pen but you never expected any luck 
with Lingard taking it. We then seemed to lose all composure and everytime we 
got the ball we gave away. Llorente made some good interceptions but everytime 
he passed the ball forward it went straight to the opposition. They then won a 
corner and with what was a carbon copy of their goal at ER they got the 2nd. 
Dallas was the culprit at ER, this time our international defender Llorente was 
ball watching and let their man sneak in on the back post for an easy header.  
We never recovered and it was surprising that we went in half-time only 2 down. 
It was a complete collapse after the lively start.
2nd half we made some necessary changes. Klich who really hasn't delivered over 
the last few months was taken off with the ineffective Costa. I think I've seen 
enough of Costa as a starting player. He isn't on the same wavelength as his 
team maters and every time he gets the ball he looks weak to me and inevitable 
he will lose the ball or sky one into the stand.

Harrison wasn't much better when he came on but he did try and be positive and 
get forward and with Allioski pushing on we started to look like a team. Dallas 
showed Klich what is required to operate in midfield and Raphinha started to 
look dangerous.
Llorente then played the pass of the game putting Bamford through with only the 
keeper to beat but he put it wide. Rodrigo came on for the ineffective Roberts 
(playing out of position)  and we pushed forward and had West Ham on the ropes. 
Raph played it in for Bamford and from 6 yards he skied into the stand. A 
really poor miss. That's 3 goals in the last 12 matches for Bamford and I'd be 
tempted to give Roberts a go up front. We had further chances but you got the 
feeling that we were never going to score.
I see people saying West Ham won at a canter but I disagree. I think we were 
the brighter side for 60 mins of the game and with some basic finishing we 
would have got a draw out of this game. I really don't think they are much 
better than us.
Scores:
Miesler - 7. Unlucky with the pen. Didn't have to do a right lot.
Ayling - 4. He's had a great season but this game made you realise that 
ultimately if we want to push on he's going to be a squad player at best.
Dallas - 7. First half at left back he tried to get forward but didn't really 
figure but 2nd half in Klich's position he made us realise what we are missing.
Llorente - 5. Is he a midfielder playing as central defender  ?I;m not 
convinced by his defensive abilities. His passing was off most of the game but 
he showed he does have an eye for a pass with the ball to Bamford. I laughed 
when someone on WhatsApp said 'I preferred Llorente when he was injured'
Cooper - 7. Definitely our best defender on the night. I do worry when he sees 
so much of the ball and we are relying on him for that cross field ball which 
he's actually not bad but it asks a lot of the winger when he does find them.
Klich - 3. What has happened to him ? Has he finally found his level ? Is he 
fit ? Not sure but he's certainly struggling at the mo. I wouldn't be starting 
with him v Chelsea.
Costa - 3. Saw a lot of the ball in the first 15 mins but didn't do a lot with 
it. Even his 'cross' for Robert's goal looked like he mishit it. Time is 
running out for the lad.
Raphinha - 7. Not his best game but was always positive and always lively. He 
also created the best chance of the game by putting it on a plate for Bamford.
Bamford - 4. His general play was ok, he was lively and 

Re: [LU] Guy Thornton

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That’s terrible news

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Sad news indeed.  

Ted H.


On Thu, 21 Jan 2021, 20:09 Wiggy,  wrote:

> Some really sad news just in from Amsterdam. Guy Thornton passed away
> today.
>
> He’d recently been diagnosed with cancer and had just had his first chemo
> treatment.
>
> Will pass on more info as I hear it.
>
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Re: [LU] Words fail me

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That was truly dreadful. Casilla reminding people quite how bad he is.
Thought this might be a chance for Costa to put in a bit of a performance and 
push for a first team place but no, he was anonymous.
I think it’s always tough on the u23s to chick them into a disjointed team, but 
Casey looked awful. Jenkins didn’t look great either but probably fairer to 
judge him in a more balanced team.
Disappointed with Phillips, he just strolled through the game, Hernandez’s 
passing was way off, especially second half and I don’t think any of the subs 
did much when they came on.
I know the league is the priority but I was expecting better than that today.
Let’s hope this doesn’t derail our season like some abject cup performances 
have in the past.

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That was as bad as Newport , Histon, Rochdale, Hereford rolled into Casilla 
must NEVER EVER play for us again!Worry that all these future stars in the u23s 
are nothing of the sort - none of them impressed in the slightest 
todayShocking, shambles
We need to get over it fast and beat Brighton
Dave
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Re: [LU] More math

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I’ve always liked maths



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On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 12:54 AM +0100, "Tim Greenwood" 
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This morning someone posted that between the three teams there were 729
(3^6) possible results and 728 had us going up.

Now, between us and Brentford there are 81 (3^4) possible results and 80
have us as champions.

Tim

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Re: [LU] Bielsa

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Without him this is a mid table team. He’s unbelievable 



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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 11:33 PM +0100, "Ted"  wrote:










Where does Bielsa sit in the list?
From where we were before he came to where we are now - it's unbelievable.
Not many people would have moaned if we'd have got rid of Phillips, Cooper,
Klich and maybe Dallas - but what he has done with those players is
un-be-fucking-belevable.
For me, I love everything about the man, his humility, his down to
earth-ness - he's above O'Leary. I can't wait to see and witness his
assault on the Premiership.
All the years of watching shite - these last 2 years have veen so enjoyable
- and now it's paid off.
Bielsa is God.


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Re: [LU] Yes yes yes

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Fucking get in! Won’t hear a word against those dog bothering tossers 
again!



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Says it all
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Re: [LU] Shackleton

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I think he’s more a swap for Klich? – box to box.


 




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I thought he got both those subs spot on. I was worried when Struijk came on as 
I remember his last appearance being in the Cardiff draw but I thought he was 
excellent. Hernandez looked knackered and had just been booked and Shackleton
 was able to run that ball down field , win the free kick and see out the game. 
I would like to see more of Shackleton in the team but he’s not a straight swap 
for Phillips






 




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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 11:43 AM +0100, "Richard Naef" 
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Anyone actually know how many minutes of the League Football the Great White 
Hope Shackleton has played this season?  Next question how many hours of 
Training, Matches, reports Bielsa has watched/read about him?  Alternatively, 
Struijk was stuck then in the most important position in "the most important 
game ever" and did well.  Bielsa understands players and what they can and 
can't do
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Re: [LU] Shackleton

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I thought he got both those subs spot on. I was worried when Struijk 
came on as I remember his last appearance being in the Cardiff draw but I 
thought he was excellent. Hernandez looked knackered and had just been booked 
and Shackleton was able to run that ball down field , win the free kick and see 
out the game. I would like to see more of Shackleton in the team but he’s not a 
straight swap for Phillips 



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Anyone actually know how many minutes of the League Football the Great White 
Hope Shackleton has played this season?  Next question how many hours of 
Training, Matches, reports Bielsa has watched/read about him?  Alternatively, 
Struijk was stuck then in the most important position in "the most important 
game ever" and did well.  Bielsa understands players and what they can and 
can't do
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

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729 combinations! It’s 3 to the power 6!I think we struggled with their 
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:45 AM +0100, "Robert Heath"  
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Anybody who thinks that Shackleton could be an effective replacement for 
Phillips has simply not been watching over the last two years. 
Yesterday's game showed perfectly (and worryingly) just how critical Phillips 
is to Bielsa's system. Shackleton is a busy little lad who tears about the 
pitch with great energy, but when he gets the ball all he is capable of is a 
simple 10 yard pass to a player directly in front of him.
It is an indication of how important that position is that Bielsa feels 
prepared to move our best defender there if Phillips is out. Yesterday, he 
panicked b/c the defence just couldn't cope without White, so he tried Dallas 
and then, in an incredible roll of the dice, a 20-yr-old who had cost us 2 
points (how we wish we had those points now!) the only other time he played.
But Struijk did really well.
I wonder if he will keep him in there for the Derby game.
I don't usually pay any attention to the moronic Sky commentators, but I have 
to say they called Barnsley perfectly yesterday. I was expecting a Luton/Stoke 
style sitting back, timewasting, breaking-up-play affairwho knew they 
are a vibrant pressing attacking team who just (thankfully) can't finish? Don't 
know about Bar-nsley..they were more like Bar-celona!
Apparently. there are 728 possible permutations of the results of these last 6 
games (2 for us, 2 for BF, 2 for WB), and of those, 727 will give us promotion. 
I'm still very worried though.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 11:26 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist 
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Defo should have played with Shack in midfield. Quit the fucking about with the 
defence. I mean which sort of lunatic starts with 3 at the back with Ayling as 
the central defender just because a central midfielder is not available. It’s 
incredible that somebody with  Bielsa’s ability could make such an obvious 
mistake.

I do worry about the remaining matches as Bielsa seems to want to try 
everything to compensate Phillip’s absence other than the total bleeding 
obvious which is to play a midfielder in midfield. 

Other things:

Pablo - disgusting. He didn’t even shake hands and encourage Shack on. That’s 
not leadership.

Strujik- thought he did ok for someone playing out of position.

Harrison and Costa - both poor. Do they intentionally cross to an opposition 
player ? Harrison must hit the first man 95% of the time.

Bamford - worked hard but fuck me He’s shit at. Times. I really rated Bamford 
when he first came to the club but he really should have 25 goals by now.

Dallas - hes never as effective playing in midfield- strange really.

That was for me the worst performance under Bielsa but it’s good to think we 
win and are now odds on for the PL. I can’t see us getting owt at Derby after 
that.





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The important bit of win ugly, is win.



We have been fantastic to watch in plenty of games this year and not 
necessarily got what we deserved.



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> Things I have learnt today

> 1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified

> 2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back

> 3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
> Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise

> 4. Bamford put a real shift in!

> 5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, 
> and THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime

> 6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton

> 7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start

> 8. White looked good

> 9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
> Champions

> 10. We just might do this!

> 

> On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!

> 

> 

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Things I have learnt today
1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified
2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back
3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise
4. Bamford put a real shift in!
5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, and 
THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime
6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton
7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start
8. White looked good
9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
Champions
10. We just might do this!

On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!


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Re: [LU] David DRB Brennan

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 7:57 PM +0100, "Nicholas Armit via Leedslist" 
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 I didn't know Dave, but obviously read him on the list. My condolences to his 
family John.
Nick
On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 01:04:49 PM EDT, Richard Naef  wrote:  
 
 Thanks for letting us know John, sad news of another loss.  Please pass on my 
wishes if you speak to the family again.

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Sent: 25 June 2020 15:47
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] David DRB Brennan

Dear All,

Earlier this week we heard of the sad death of one of the earliest members and 
most loved characters from the list, David “DRB” Brennan. 
Not only was DRB a list regular in the 90s as a trawl through the archives held 
by James Lundon proved but he also wrote a lot of good stuff.

As a season ticket-holder he used to go to reserve matches at The Shay and (as 
well as Maggie Barber) post regular reports of the reserves’ 
progress. He was a regular source of ticket information and became very 
friendly with Mandy in the ticket office especially when trying to find out 
what times cup matches would be played and what the ticket allocations would be.

DRB and his wife Kate were part of a gang that regularly met pre-match (he was 
an Adolphi regular), he was at the MOALM and he was the man behind the 
sponsored head shave at the first Euronet in 1996.

Like others on the list he was a Northern Soul boy, coming from Horsforth what 
else would he be?

One of the friendliest, funniest and kindest blokes I have had the pleasure to 
meet he will always be the example I would use of what the list is about.

DRB leaves behind, Kate and the two boys Sid and Bradley and we have been in 
touch to send our sympathy. No date has been set for what will be a very small 
family funeral but his brother-in-law suggests there might be a memorial 
service in the future. The family has asked, if anyone wishes to, that 
donations are made to MIND which is a charity DRB supported. 
(https://www.mind.org.uk/donate/)

We checked with the family before we posted anything to the list and they were 
happy for us to do this. As we get more information, we will pass this on but 
in the meantime please enjoy the following post to the list from 1996, it’s 
typical of the DRB we knew and loved (that and the bloody song he wrote about 
Tomas Brolin!)

RIP DRB.

Betty

From:    VBORMC:"hss...@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk" "D.R. BRENNAN" 
20-FEB-1996 11:22:41.54
To:    leeds-uni...@vax.ox.ac.uk
Subj:    LU: Interview

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, as your team selection for some games over the past 
few months has  been, shall we say, "innovative" what will be your policy for 
the Port Vale game?

HW: Well, all things considered, and bearing in mind that our players have had 
a hectic autograph signing session recently, and it will be a bit chilly, I 
think 11 players will suffice.

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, does this mean that even though your African players 
are back from international duty, you will not use them?

HW: All things being equal, Tony, Phil and Lucas are definitely players, and 
players want to play, want to play, but there can only be so many players, who 
play, so they may play a part in playing but it's not so warm for players who 
normally play, normally play, in a warmer climate.

Interviewer: It was suggested that in the Aston Villa game, you may have been 
better playing an attacking side, as the defence, containing so many 
youngsters, was unlikely to keep Villa out, offence being the best sort of 
defence.

HW: Youngsters, youngsters.  I was young once, and wanted to play, wanted to 
play.  You've got to give them a goal, I mean go, they may be short of pace, 
but Rob Bowman has got the same name as the Producer of the X Files, so who 
knows what might happen, might happen.  I picked the best side for the game, 
for the game.  When I start telling you where to use a metaphor instead of a 
simile, and when to employ onomatopoeic licence, then you can tell me how to 
pick and quarter of pick and mix, I mean a football team.

Interviewer:  There has been much discussion about Tomas Brolin's future at 
Elland Road.  Can you enlighten us as to the current situation?

HW: Tomas has got a white shirt, some people might say, might say, it still has 
Parmalat on it, but I say Thistle Hotels.  I know the shirts are the same 
colour, and that was a major consideration in buying Tommy.  I like continuity, 
like buying players from Sheffield, so buying a player who was used to wearing 
the same colour shirt fitted in well with our long-term plans. Brolly is happy 
wearing white and yellow trimmed with blue and if Brollywolly is happy, I'm 
happy, I'm happy.

Interviewer:  But Mr Wilkinson, Tomas Brolin is a world class player, do you 
think there will be a place for him in tomorrow's 

Re: [LU] YEP

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https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/efl-provide-update-leeds-uniteds-promotion-bid-and-points-game-preference-if-seasons-are-curtailed-2855020Sent
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Re: [LU] FIFA 20...

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3-1 Leeds. 2 for Bamford, free kick from Harrison 



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Did we win?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message 
From: "James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist"  Date: 15/03/2020  19:29 
 (GMT+00:00) To: LeedsList  Subject: [LU] FIFA 20... Leeds attract 50,000 
online viewers with FIFA 20 simulation of Cardiff match after coronavirus 
postponement| | | |  |  | | || |  | Leeds attract 50,000 online viewers with 
FIFA 20 simulation of Cardiff m...Leeds United tackled their postponed 
Championship game against Cardiff by simulating the game on FIFA 20 instead. | 
| |Am I the only person hereabouts who has NEVER played FIFA ever?In 
self-imposed isolation in the west of 
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Re: [LU] The old jokes are the best

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I couldn’t care less how we go up as long as we do! It would be just 
reward for some of the crap we’ve had to go through over the last 16 years. 



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Is it just me or would that seem like a hollow victory?






On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 11:54:02 AM EDT, Simon McNally 
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        I’ve seen this suggested too. Seems like the most sensible option (and 
not just because it helps us!)  I would imagine the biggest worry for the efl 
and prem is legal challenges from teams relegated from the prem, teams missing 
out on the prem and teams missing out on champs league if season is voided. 
This solution takes care of most of those issues.
        
        

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The situation is of course very fluid. Not sure how they can complete the 
season if the peak is not due for another 10 weeks or whateverThe solution that 
would upset the fewest teams and still be fair(ish) is based on the German 
modelNo relegation,    but promote top two in each  division based on current 
standingsNo relegation would satisfy teams who would argue they were not doomed 
and they will all be happy to stay up ( in whatever division they are currently 
in)Promote current top two would satisfy those currently in promotion placesThe 
only aggrieved teams would be those in or near plays offs but any arguments 
they could put forward would be based on lots of speculation   -each team would 
have to argue that they and not another team would win the play offs
I have not checked lower leagues to see if a team in 3rd place had games in 
hand that would change the current standings 
To get things back to normal increase the number of teams to be relegated next 
season
This is all based on not being able to finish this season and being able to 
play next season  ( by no means certain at present)
I think a number of teams will be in massive financial difficulties with the 
loss of gate receipts etc so there may be fewer teams in existence post vivid 19
Dave

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  On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 11:46, Robert Heath wrote:   SCENE: Football League HQ
DATE: April 2nd 2020

Alan Hardaker (who has been brought back from beyond the grave to manage
this unprecedented crisis) {younger listers..look him up!}: Well,
Gentlemen, it is agreed then that it will now be impossible to complete
this season. So the question arises.what to do next?
Sean Harvey: If I may make a sugg -
AH: Shut up lad. Now then, it would obviously be grossly unfair to just
cancel the season as if it had never happened. After all, they've played
over 3/4 of the fixtures.
SH: But -
AH: Will you be quiet? So, I am sure we all agree that the only fair and
sensible option is to decree that the current standings should constitute
the final positions for the season.
SH: I think I shou -
AH: So let's see which clubs will get promoted and relegated. We'll start
with Division Two.
Man-in-suit: It's called The Championship now, Alan.
AH: Eh? What? But that is ridic - oh, anyway, Harvey, who is currently top
of that division?
SH: THAT is what I've been trying to tell you, your Lordship: It's Leeds
United.
AH: Ah. Hmmm. Yes well, I think we can all agree that the fairest thing for
all parties would be the cancellation of the whole season. Let's start
again with the same clubs in place in August. level playing field and all
that. Yes, that's best.
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I’ve seen this suggested too. Seems like the most sensible option (and 
not just because it helps us!)  I would imagine the biggest worry for the efl 
and prem is legal challenges from teams relegated from the prem, teams missing 
out on the prem and teams missing out on champs league if season is voided. 
This solution takes care of most of those issues.



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On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 3:10 PM +, "nattan--- via Leedslist" 
 wrote:










The situation is of course very fluid. Not sure how they can complete the 
season if the peak is not due for another 10 weeks or whateverThe solution that 
would upset the fewest teams and still be fair(ish) is based on the German 
modelNo relegation,    but promote top two in each  division based on current 
standingsNo relegation would satisfy teams who would argue they were not doomed 
and they will all be happy to stay up ( in whatever division they are currently 
in)Promote current top two would satisfy those currently in promotion placesThe 
only aggrieved teams would be those in or near plays offs but any arguments 
they could put forward would be based on lots of speculation   -each team would 
have to argue that they and not another team would win the play offs
I have not checked lower leagues to see if a team in 3rd place had games in 
hand that would change the current standings 
To get things back to normal increase the number of teams to be relegated next 
season
This is all based on not being able to finish this season and being able to 
play next season  ( by no means certain at present)
I think a number of teams will be in massive financial difficulties with the 
loss of gate receipts etc so there may be fewer teams in existence post vivid 19
Dave

Sent from Sky Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 11:46, Robert Heath wrote:   SCENE: Football League HQ
DATE: April 2nd 2020

Alan Hardaker (who has been brought back from beyond the grave to manage
this unprecedented crisis) {younger listers..look him up!}: Well,
Gentlemen, it is agreed then that it will now be impossible to complete
this season. So the question arises.what to do next?
Sean Harvey: If I may make a sugg -
AH: Shut up lad. Now then, it would obviously be grossly unfair to just
cancel the season as if it had never happened. After all, they've played
over 3/4 of the fixtures.
SH: But -
AH: Will you be quiet? So, I am sure we all agree that the only fair and
sensible option is to decree that the current standings should constitute
the final positions for the season.
SH: I think I shou -
AH: So let's see which clubs will get promoted and relegated. We'll start
with Division Two.
Man-in-suit: It's called The Championship now, Alan.
AH: Eh? What? But that is ridic - oh, anyway, Harvey, who is currently top
of that division?
SH: THAT is what I've been trying to tell you, your Lordship: It's Leeds
United.
AH: Ah. Hmmm. Yes well, I think we can all agree that the fairest thing for
all parties would be the cancellation of the whole season. Let's start
again with the same clubs in place in August. level playing field and all
that. Yes, that's best.
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Re: [LU] coronavirus

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Surely just cancel the remainder of the season and let the league table 
stand 



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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:43 PM +, "Chris Nickson" 
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I'd say the chances are high.

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:41, John Lee via Leedslist 
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> Has it not crossed anyone’s minds that the League might declare this
> season null and void :-(
>
> Not that I’m paranoid?
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > They will soon start to play games behind closed doors so we'll all go
> to the pub and be even closer watching it together.
> >On Tuesday, 10 March 2020, 12:07:05 GMT, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via
> Leedslist  wrote:
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> > How will it affect the rest of the season?  I am not too
> confident...this has a lot to run before we see positivity on the other
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Re: [LU] Fwd: This afternoon.

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There’s a video on twitter of him scoring a similar goal in training on 
Friday 



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On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:38 PM +, "Robert Heath"  
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Ayling said after the game that he is running out of celebrations!

If any of you haven't already seen it, go to The Guardian report on the
Cha/shipthe photo of Ayling hitting the volley is incredible!

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 10:57 AM Nick  wrote:

> Agree with much of this - by half time we were commenting on the number of
> passes going astray from Breradi, Ayling and Pablo - that said, Breradi was
> doing all that was asked of him defensively - while White still is not a
> centre midfielder.
>
> While the move and finish for Ayling’s goal was something else…someone
> tell him to keep it in the ponytail though...
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: Richard Naef 
> > Subject: Re: [LU] This afternoon.
> > Date: 7 March 2020 at 19:05:40 GMT
> > To: John Boocock , "leedslist@gn.apc.org" <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>, Simon McNally 
> >
> > I think Berardi has improved loads this season, still committed and hard
> as nails, but no longer a red card in waiting.  Its hard to think of a
> single player that hasn't improved this season over last.  And obvs last
> season over previous.  Only one is possibly Pablo and that's because he was
> our best player by a country mile previously.
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile.
> >
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of Simon
> McNally via Leedslist 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 7:10:26 PM
> > To: John Boocock ; leedslist@gn.apc.org <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [LU] This afternoon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thought it was another very professional performance. Ayling’s
> goal was amazing, Harrison, Berardi and white all very good. We restricted
> them to a few long range shots and hopefully Bamford will take a lot of
> confidence from breaking his scoring drought.On and on!
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:38 PM +, "John Boocock" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well. What can I say. Beradi is suspect, Pablo was off the boil but even
> > with the dog botherers shitting them sens about next season we were
> > still the team that should be top of the league.
> >
> > I particularly like the young French lad between the sticks. He's young
> > he's raw but he might just be the thing.
> >
> > Anyone fancy a few jars in the Teesdale Hotel tonight? :-)
> >
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Re: [LU] This afternoon.

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Thought it was another very professional performance. Ayling’s goal was 
amazing, Harrison, Berardi and white all very good. We restricted them to a few 
long range shots and hopefully Bamford will take a lot of confidence from 
breaking his scoring drought.On and on!



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On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:38 PM +, "John Boocock"  wrote:










Well. What can I say. Beradi is suspect, Pablo was off the boil but even 
with the dog botherers shitting them sens about next season we were 
still the team that should be top of the league.

I particularly like the young French lad between the sticks. He's young 
he's raw but he might just be the thing.

Anyone fancy a few jars in the Teesdale Hotel tonight? :-)

Betty

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Re: [LU] Is it 2 from 3 now?

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I seem to be spending most of my waking moments trying to calculate the 
permutations of the final ten games.One of my friends at work reckons that only 
us and West Brom are getting more than 80 points so he thinks 4 wins are 
enough. I wish I shared his confidence!I had a look at what teams got last year 
from the last 10 - Villa 25, Norwich 22, Blades 21, West Brom 19 (us 13).I 
really don’t see anyone getting 25, so I think they’re looking at 21,22 max. 
That would mean we need 17 to be ahead of Fulham and 14 to be ahead of 
Forest.On and on!
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:15 PM +, "Robert Heath"  
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My horror scenario is needing a win when we go to Derby on the penultimate
game.and them managing to dick us again.



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> I know this is Leeds, and if there’s a hard way of doing this we’ll find
> it, so no permutation calculations from me - win the lot, and go up as
> champions, which is what we deserve! Do we not, as fans, deserve to
> actually enjoy seeing the odd game without the stress of what if?
>
> I don’t think you can predict anything in this league - look at West Brom
> the other night!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 3 Mar 2020, at 14:02, Jim Moran  wrote:
> >
> > I made a point of going through the table for the last 10 games last
> night.
> > At this point, Villa were 10th and we were 2nd.
> >
> https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-championship-2018-2019-spieltag/36/
> >
> > Six games later after swapping places 3 times with SU, we're still second
> > with 4 to go, THREE points clear.
> >
> https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-championship-2018-2019-spieltag/42/
> >
> > Then Wigan happened, and they won all 4 games and we lost 3 and drew one.
> >
> > Have a play with the URL week by week. It's fucking depressing.
> >
> > Nothing is anywhere near settled yet. Think we need to win 7 games - or 8
> > if one of the losses is Fulham.
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 13:54, nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> With Forest only getting one point last night are we now at the stage
> >> where they and all the teams below them can be discounted from automatic
> >> promotion? Forest are 8 pts behind with only 10 games to go which will
> take
> >> some overturning
> >> So that leaves us with West Brom , one ahead, and Fulham 5 behind
> >> I have seen various posts and tweets etc suggesting how many wins may /
> >> should or must take us up 10 or 9 gets us up whatever,  8 would need
> Fulham
> >> to win every game
> >> 4 wis would mean Fulham needing to average more than the 'promotion
> >> winning form' of 2pts a game ( win st home and draw away)
> >> Realistically a victory over Fulham should be enough coupled with
> decent
> >> results in our other games
> >> After last season there are bound to be doubts and concerns - will we
> >> score enough if Bamford continues his goal drought,  what happens if
> >> Phillips gets injured or sent off again, is Meslier good enough over a
> >> period of games, and mist of all " have we got the bottle not to implode
> >> again "
> >> Like all fans I am miles 's more confident today than I was straight
> after
> >> Forest game but we have 10 massive games coming up and not one of them
> will
> >> roll over and die for us - biggest game of the year for many opponents,
> >> some fighting relegation and Blackburn with play of hope's of their own
> so
> >> it is down to how we perform and can we get the scoreline our
> performance
> >> merits ?
> >> Either way I am chomping at the bit waiting for Saturday
> >> Dave
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Re: [LU] Kiko 8 games

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Timing stinks doesn’t it? Is this a blessing in disguise though?



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On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 7:52 PM +, "nattan--- via Leedslist" 
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Kiko got 8 game ban7.30 announcement the evening before a lunch time kick off!,,
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Re: [LU] Now tv

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Another way of watching sky channels.I’ve managed to get it a bit 
cheaper and you only sign up for a month at a time



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On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 8:27 PM +, "Nicholas Armit"  
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What is now tv?






On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 06:19:43 AM EST, Simon 
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        I watched it through the tv on now tv. Wasn’t any problems for me 
(other than the stomach knotting tension.)
        
        

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On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:48 AM +, "David Campbell"  
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Any one else watch our Sky games through a now tv box. Picture last night
was terrible. I watched on Ipad with Now tv app which was ok apart from
last 10 mins so think wifi ok and nothing      changed in setup.
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Re: [LU] Now tv

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I watched it through the tv on now tv. Wasn’t any problems for me 
(other than the stomach knotting tension.)



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On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:48 AM +, "David Campbell"  
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Any one else watch our Sky games through a now tv box. Picture last night
was terrible. I watched on Ipad with Now tv app which was ok apart from
last 10 mins so think wifi ok and nothing  changed in setup.
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