Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Laura Johnson wrote And I disagreeI believe you should always use the FIRST logical document - birth or baptism - as that is the name they were given. All others are changes to the name they were given. PS - I am a professional genealogist. But how can you be sure it was the name they were given - or to put it another way, by whom were they given it. Suppose my Great Great Grandmother heard people using the name Horace or saw it written down and thought I'll call my baby boy Horace! but because she dropped her aitches in speech she said to the Registrar 'is name is 'orace and the Registrar recorded Orace. I don't think, under those circumstances, he was given the name Orace. Also there may be occasions when one doesn't have access to the original document (even a Birth Certificate may be a transcription) and if lots of other (later) evidence contradicts, it does suggest (I put it no stronger than that) that the first one is incorrect. Even a Church Register entry of a Baptism relies on what the officiating minister - or his clerk - *thought* he was told! However, we are of course free to disagree and everyone to do things his or her own way and thank goodness for that! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
It is NOT pendantic at all.I choose to be historically/genealogically correct and record EXACTLY how each instance of the name appears in that person's life with the first available document from the birth being the first/preferred name. For example - this is my 3rd great grandfather Birth document in 1832 - he is listed as Saverio Ignazio Sansone-Zodia Baptismal document - ON THE SAME DAY IN 1832 - he is listed as Xaverio Sansone alias Zodia (this is listed as AKA) Marriage document in 1858 - he is listed as Saverio Sansone (another AKA) On several of his children's birth documents, he is listed as Ignazio Saverio Sansone (another AKA) Death document in 1922 - he is listed as Saverio Sansone Zodia (another AKA) Each entry is sourced as to where it was found and the date of the document so if shows the pattern of the names he used throughout his life. I am transcribing into my Legacy file a complete town in Sicily. I enter the documents EXACTLY as they are on the document I am entering. If I think there is a mistake in the name, then it is CLEARLY notated in the notes section WHY I think a there is a mistake. I do not arbitrarily change a name to whatever a person went by later in life. Each time a new variation of that person's name exists, it gets an AKA. The baptismal documents before the civil records show the Latin names and are the only exceptions to the rule in my files. The Italian/Sicilian name is recorded as the preferred and the baptismal name is an AKA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:16:09 -0700, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: But Laura, how do you account for pastors who couldn't spell or who latinized infants' names? Should a baptismal record for Fredrikus Merkel take precedence over a will signed in the man's own hand as Frederick Markle--along with all the land and military records listing the latter? With due respect, that seems to border on the pedantic. As long as the baptismal version is recorded in the source notes, wouldn't it be sensible to show the primary name as the one actually used by the individual? The main point is that each piece of evidence needs to be recorded somewhere. Legacy forces us to choose one of the names as preferred. How do we choose? It might depend on the intended audience. If we were submitting a formal document to a genealogical society we might be given a set of publishing guidelines to follow (earliest documented reference perhaps). If we were publishing on the web with the intent of attracting long lost relatives, we might want to use the name that we think people would google for. SOAPBOX I've mentioned this before, but I believe Legacy could do with a redesign of its AKA handling. Allow the AKAs to be classified. Users can add their own classes with custom report sentences for each class. Allow AKAs to be flagged as private. Allow user to choose which AKA class to use as the main name on screen, in a report, or on a web page. Etc. /SOAPBOX -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Yes. And I have a marriage record one party's surname are spelled differently within the same document. This New England family had moved to the south. Same name, but with pronunciation variations that led to differing spellings. Dawn Laura Johnson wrote: It is NOT pendantic at all.I choose to be historically/genealogically correct and record EXACTLY how each instance of the name appears in that person's life with the first available document from the birth being the first/preferred name. For example - this is my 3rd great grandfather Birth document in 1832 - he is listed as Saverio Ignazio Sansone-Zodia Baptismal document - ON THE SAME DAY IN 1832 - he is listed as Xaverio Sansone alias Zodia (this is listed as AKA) Marriage document in 1858 - he is listed as Saverio Sansone (another AKA) On several of his children's birth documents, he is listed as Ignazio Saverio Sansone (another AKA) Death document in 1922 - he is listed as Saverio Sansone Zodia (another AKA) Each entry is sourced as to where it was found and the date of the document so if shows the pattern of the names he used throughout his life. I am transcribing into my Legacy file a complete town in Sicily. I enter the documents EXACTLY as they are on the document I am entering. If I think there is a mistake in the name, then it is CLEARLY notated in the notes section WHY I think a there is a mistake. I do not arbitrarily change a name to whatever a person went by later in life. Each time a new variation of that person's name exists, it gets an AKA. The baptismal documents before the civil records show the Latin names and are the only exceptions to the rule in my files. The Italian/Sicilian name is recorded as the preferred and the baptismal name is an AKA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Do both surnames appear in reports? Jane Sarles On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anne Picketts waipuc...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.comwrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jane Sarles wrote I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Are you saying that at a certain point all members of the family changed the spelling of their name or that Father Peters was always known as Peters, as were his ancestors, but his son changed the name to Peter and his descendents inherited that spelling? I think you probably mean the later, in which case you need to decide whether the person who changed the name mainly used Peter or Peters. Whichever was principally used, I would enter that as the main Surname and the other as AKA. There is no reason why you cannot have a Father surnamed Peters with one child, or several children, surnamed Peter. (Legacy suggests a child's surname the same as the father's but you just overtype this if you wish.) It's a bit more complicated if several generations all changed their spelling during their lives, but again you'd have to decide which was main name and which was AKA. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
I handle name variations the same way as Ron does. Ron Ferguson wrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jane, You can try SearchSearch and Replace and set it so that you have to approve each change. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 19:01 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anne Picketts waipuc...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Thank you Ron. That sounds like a winning idea. Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Jane, You can try SearchSearch and Replace and set it so that you have to approve each change. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 19:01 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anne Picketts waipuc...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
If you want the alternate name(s) to appear in reports, be sure to check the box Alternate given and surnames usually found at Report Options Include. CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:04 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Do both surnames appear in reports? Jane Sarles On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2409 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. This way all of your names can be sourced and they would appear correctly in your file. In my case, I have family whose surname was Sansone Zodia, but through the years you will find within each generation various spellings or combinations of that name.Sansone, Zodia, Zoida, Zodia Sansone So if I record the name EXACTLY like I find it on the earliest document (birth or baptismal if no birth document is available), then I make the notations as they appear on their marriage documents, death documents etc. Jenny M Benson wrote: Jane Sarles wrote I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Are you saying that at a certain point all members of the family changed the spelling of their name or that Father Peters was always known as Peters, as were his ancestors, but his son changed the name to Peter and his descendents inherited that spelling? I think you probably mean the later, in which case you need to decide whether the person who changed the name mainly used Peter or Peters. Whichever was principally used, I would enter that as the main Surname and the other as AKA. There is no reason why you cannot have a Father surnamed Peters with one child, or several children, surnamed Peter. (Legacy suggests a child's surname the same as the father's but you just overtype this if you wish.) It's a bit more complicated if several generations all changed their spelling during their lives, but again you'd have to decide which was main name and which was AKA. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jane, They appear as you have them in your database. If you wish the AKAs to appear then set you report parameters accordingly. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 19:03 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Do both surnames appear in reports? Jane Sarles On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband's grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan _ From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 5:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
My grandfather's name was Irvin, but he is often referred to as Irving. He never used that name, yet if someone is searching for Irving they will not find him unless I add Irving as an AKA. So I would suggest that the AKA should be used, even if the person never used the name. I have a note on my grandfather's record that his name is Irvin and Irving is a disproven name so that perhaps someone will find my record and correct theirs accordingly. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband’s grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 5:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter. Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
And I disagreeI believe you should always use the FIRST logical document - birth or baptism - as that is the name they were given. All others are changes to the name they were given. PS - I am a professional genealogist. Jenny M Benson wrote: Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jan, But I did not suggest that you should do anything different, I simply gave my view and why I have it. I would not have anything in brackets in a surname field for the reason I gave. In a previous post I mentioned that I have Hayes and Hayes since I have always known the family I use Hayes, but only for those who were recorded with this version in their birth details, or in the majority of instances where it is recorded, otherwise I use Heyes. Since they couldn't sign their names in the early 19c they wouldn't know what the spelling should be! Where both have been used I would use AKAs. In your case I would not use Daniel as an AKA either, I would put it in a note to say that the family name was Daniels. This is only *my* way of working, and I have not changed it :-). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jan Roberts To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 04 October 2009 00:05 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband's grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 5:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
And here's another slant: After recording about a thousand Acadian names like Françoise, Étienne, and Jean-Baptiste, I find that a majority of people don't use diacriticals either in their databases or in searches, so my work is largely invisible online. Since the main use for the data is to post at RootsWeb and I want it to be found, I've added the version sans diacriticals as Alternate Names. They're not true aka's, and the alternates might look very strange in some narrative reports (which I never produce anyway), but it does emphasize the importance of knowing where you're going early on and deciding whether that field is strictly for bonafide aka's or catch-all alternate spellings. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname My grandfather's name was Irvin, but he is often referred to as Irving. He never used that name, yet if someone is searching for Irving they will not find him unless I add Irving as an AKA. So I would suggest that the AKA should be used, even if the person never used the name. I have a note on my grandfather's record that his name is Irvin and Irving is a disproven name so that perhaps someone will find my record and correct theirs accordingly. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband’s grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
But Laura, how do you account for pastors who couldn't spell or who latinized infants' names? Should a baptismal record for Fredrikus Merkel take precedence over a will signed in the man's own hand as Frederick Markle--along with all the land and military records listing the latter? With due respect, that seems to border on the pedantic. As long as the baptismal version is recorded in the source notes, wouldn't it be sensible to show the primary name as the one actually used by the individual? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Laura Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname And I disagreeI believe you should always use the FIRST logical document - birth or baptism - as that is the name they were given. All others are changes to the name they were given. PS - I am a professional genealogist. Jenny M Benson wrote: Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
