Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
RIN 0 is used by Legacy to hold vital information relating to the use of the program, which is why you cannot delete it. And it should probably not be displayed on the Index tab. I would report this as a bug. The word bug is usually used to mean something which the programmers did not intend and would not wish to happen - in other words, a mistake. Although I can see an argument in favour of not displaying this RIN 0 line in the Name List, it is not a bug as these blank lines which are used by Legacy and cannot be deleted appear at the head of most or all lists in the program - Sources, Locations, etc. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:08:12 +0100 (BST), Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word bug is usually used to mean something which the programmers did not intend and would not wish to happen - in other words, a mistake. In this case, I would call it a (apparently cosmetic) bug. I am a retired developer so I know what a bug is. If a user came to me with this problem and I had to classify it as either a bug or a feature request, I would classify it as a bug. And besides, how do you know what the programmers intended? Did you ask? Perhaps you read minds? That being said, if one of the developers can explain to me why displaying RIN 0 in the Index tab (and Name List) is desired behavior, I am more than willing to change my opinion. Maybe they have a good reason. But at this point in time I don't see any benefit in displaying it. Although I can see an argument in favour of not displaying this RIN 0 line in the Name List, it is not a bug as these blank lines which are used by Legacy and cannot be deleted appear at the head of most or all lists in the program - Sources, Locations, etc. The Master Source List does not display a blank line in V6. The blank lines at the beginning of most of the other lists have a different purpose. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that purpose is. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
The Name List starts with RIN 1 so I don't see why the Index couldn't start with RIN 1. I agree this is a (cosmetic) bug. Evert 2008/9/24 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:08:12 +0100 (BST), Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word bug is usually used to mean something which the programmers did not intend and would not wish to happen - in other words, a mistake. In this case, I would call it a (apparently cosmetic) bug. I am a retired developer so I know what a bug is. If a user came to me with this problem and I had to classify it as either a bug or a feature request, I would classify it as a bug. And besides, how do you know what the programmers intended? Did you ask? Perhaps you read minds? That being said, if one of the developers can explain to me why displaying RIN 0 in the Index tab (and Name List) is desired behavior, I am more than willing to change my opinion. Maybe they have a good reason. But at this point in time I don't see any benefit in displaying it. Although I can see an argument in favour of not displaying this RIN 0 line in the Name List, it is not a bug as these blank lines which are used by Legacy and cannot be deleted appear at the head of most or all lists in the program - Sources, Locations, etc. The Master Source List does not display a blank line in V6. The blank lines at the beginning of most of the other lists have a different purpose. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that purpose is. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:12:53 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Name List starts with RIN 1 In my copy of V6 I see a RIN 0 at the top. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
Not in my copy of version 6 (build 6.0.0.190.) I see RIN 0 in the Index List, but not in the Name List. The Name List starts with RIN 1. Evert 2008/9/24 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:12:53 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Name List starts with RIN 1 In my copy of V6 I see a RIN 0 at the top. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
I have Legacy 6.0.0.190 and the first entry in the name list is RIN 0. John Not in my copy of version 6 (build 6.0.0.190.) I see RIN 0 in the Index List, but not in the Name List. The Name List starts with RIN 1. Evert 2008/9/24 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:12:53 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Name List starts with RIN 1 In my copy of V6 I see a RIN 0 at the top. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:13:07 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in my copy of version 6 (build 6.0.0.190.) I see RIN 0 in the Index List, but not in the Name List. The Name List starts with RIN 1. I have the same build. Here is a screenshot... http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/rin0.jpg Do you have Include Alternate Names turned on? -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
Ok, now I see. If I turn Alternate Names off I see RIN 0. Evert 2008/9/24 Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, see screenshot: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dijkene/name_list.png Evert 2008/9/24 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:13:07 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in my copy of version 6 (build 6.0.0.190.) I see RIN 0 in the Index List, but not in the Name List. The Name List starts with RIN 1. I have the same build. Here is a screenshot... http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/rin0.jpg Do you have Include Alternate Names turned on? -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
Yes, see screenshot: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dijkene/name_list.png Evert 2008/9/24 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:13:07 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in my copy of version 6 (build 6.0.0.190.) I see RIN 0 in the Index List, but not in the Name List. The Name List starts with RIN 1. I have the same build. Here is a screenshot... http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/rin0.jpg Do you have Include Alternate Names turned on? -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
In version 7 it's the same. No RIN 0 in the Name List if Alternate Names are On and with RIN 0 in the Name List if Alternate Names are Off. Evert 2008/9/24 Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, now I see. If I turn Alternate Names off I see RIN 0. Evert 2008/9/24 Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, see screenshot: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dijkene/name_list.png Evert 2008/9/24 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:13:07 +0200, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in my copy of version 6 (build 6.0.0.190.) I see RIN 0 in the Index List, but not in the Name List. The Name List starts with RIN 1. I have the same build. Here is a screenshot... http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/rin0.jpg Do you have Include Alternate Names turned on? -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
Tom, RIN 0 is used by Legacy to hold vital information relating to the use of the program, which is why you cannot delete it. I have never bothered to look as to why it displays different persons when attempting to delete, but is obviously connected to the information contained in row ID 0 (RIN 0) in tblIR at that time. You can view this in either Access or Open Office Base. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:26:03 -0400 I am using the latest version of Legacy 7.0 I was just looking at the Index Report of my family file. When I sorted the report by RIN, there was a 0 as the first item in the RIN column. No information is displayed in any other column. When I tried to delete this RIN by highlighting the row and right-clicking and selecting Delete, a box pops up that states Note: This will permanently remove this record from the family file and will break all ties with the following family members. A family that I do not want to delete is listed below that statement. I have discovered that each time I try to delete this 0 RIN a different family is displayed following the warning. Should I just live with this 0 RIN in the Index Report or can someone tell me how to get rid of it without deleting records that I want to keep. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354033/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
Thank you very much, Ron Tom Herson Ithaca, NY - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index Tom, RIN 0 is used by Legacy to hold vital information relating to the use of the program, which is why you cannot delete it. I have never bothered to look as to why it displays different persons when attempting to delete, but is obviously connected to the information contained in row ID 0 (RIN 0) in tblIR at that time. You can view this in either Access or Open Office Base. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:26:03 -0400 I am using the latest version of Legacy 7.0 I was just looking at the Index Report of my family file. When I sorted the report by RIN, there was a 0 as the first item in the RIN column. No information is displayed in any other column. When I tried to delete this RIN by highlighting the row and right-clicking and selecting Delete, a box pops up that states Note: This will permanently remove this record from the family file and will break all ties with the following family members. A family that I do not want to delete is listed below that statement. I have discovered that each time I try to delete this 0 RIN a different family is displayed following the warning. Should I just live with this 0 RIN in the Index Report or can someone tell me how to get rid of it without deleting records that I want to keep. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354033/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:41:57 +0100, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RIN 0 is used by Legacy to hold vital information relating to the use of the program, which is why you cannot delete it. And it should probably not be displayed on the Index tab. I would report this as a bug. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index
Done! Tom Herson Ithaca, NY - Original Message - From: Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] 0 RIN in the Index On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:41:57 +0100, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RIN 0 is used by Legacy to hold vital information relating to the use of the program, which is why you cannot delete it. And it should probably not be displayed on the Index tab. I would report this as a bug. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
