Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
Roger, DC death certificate. You could also search for the inquest, I suspect that there should be one. Otherwise go with what you have, as Jenny.said. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
On 2013/09/18 08:26, Ron Ferguson wrote: You could also search for the inquest, I suspect that there should be one. Otherwise go with what you have, as Jenny.said. Ron, As you probably know, any search in England Wales for an Inquest record is likely to be fruitless. These records are the property of the Coroner, and there is no statutory requirement for those records to be retained for any length of time, nor be deposited in a central location such as the local, county records office. Generally, the best that can be achieved is a newspaper report, which will give only scant details of the death and a verdict. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
Mike, Very true! However, one can be lucky, and it is worth a quick Google for the area and date. No more than that. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Kathy, I have quite a bit of sympathy with what you say, and I agree with you that even the Pedigree pages are very basic. The most serious problem with the coding is that it uses HTML tables which are incorrectly nested. This is something which a quick run with TIDY can correct. At one time I used to correct this manually, and converted the sections which were important to me to CSS. As you will appreciate this was a time consuming exercise carried out at every update. Fortunately, Dennis, a Legacy user, wrote the LTools HTML tool which corrected the coding and as a bonus converts the lot to CSS. Problem solved! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Brian, For some reason my response to your post, sent from my phone, does not seem to have made the list. Did I try this ahead of time? Well I suppose the answer is yes - some 11 or 12 years ago. I will not repeat what I have said elsewhere, but I do know how to code web pages using HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP, and HTML 5. The last time I checked the Legacy Pedigree webpages had around 50 errors. You say Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. Exactly, great if you wish to publish poor quality pages. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:38 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages What? Did you try this out ahead of time? First, the created Pedigree pages don't even use CSS at all. They rely solely on the supposedly outdated Font Size tags. But as I said, these tags work just fine with any browser. With that being said, try editing the HTML code for any of the names in a Pedigree box. The created pages all have Font Size=1 as a default so try increasing it to 2, or 3, or 4, or even 5. Since the data is text inside of a table box, what happens is WORD WRAP. The names or dates being edited will all still fit inside of a box, nothing is lost. Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. And what I am saying is that if the OP (or any other Legacy user) was taking the time and effort to learn how to modify the HTML code to increase font size, then that person would most likely learn about increasing the width of the table data box. That tag is very close to the Font Size tab and looks like TD Width=139. Making both tags have a larger number would result in exactly what the OP desired. But as mentioned before, the viewers can always zoom their own browser to view small text so Legacy users don't really have to learn how to edit HTML unless they want to add some of their own bells and whistles to the code such as background pictures, different colors, additional info, etc. I used to bemoan the fact that the created web pages in Legacy seemed too simplistic and lacked a lot of options but I have since changed my mind and feel that the Legacy programmers have taken the right approach. For the neophyte user, Legacy can quickly create useable web pages and get themselves exposed on the Internet as desired. Beyond that, the Legacy user would need to open door #2 or #3 and learn how to modify the created HTML code and Cascading Style Sheets. Those two doors are not within the realm of Legacy's purpose. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, You overlook one problem, if one increases the font size alone then for Pedigree pages, the names and details no longer fit in the boxes Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
-Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:38 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages What? Did you try this out ahead of time? First, the created Pedigree pages don't even use CSS at all. They rely solely on the supposedly outdated Font Size tags. But as I said, these tags work just fine with any browser. With that being said, try editing the HTML code for any of the names in a Pedigree box. The created pages all have Font Size=1 as a default so try increasing it to 2, or 3, or 4, or even 5. Since the data is text inside of a table box, what happens is WORD WRAP. The names or dates being edited will all still fit inside of a box, nothing is lost. Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. And what I am saying is that if the OP (or any other Legacy user) was taking the time and effort to learn how to modify the HTML code to increase font size, then that person would most likely learn about increasing the width of the table data box. That tag is very close to the Font Size tab and looks like TD Width=139. Making both tags have a larger number would result in exactly what the OP desired. But as mentioned before, the viewers can always zoom their own browser to view small text so Legacy users don't really have to learn how to edit HTML unless they want to add some of their own bells and whistles to the code such as background pictures, different colors, additional info, etc. I used to bemoan the fact that the created web pages in Legacy seemed too simplistic and lacked a lot of options but I have since changed my mind and feel that the Legacy programmers have taken the right approach. For the neophyte user, Legacy can quickly create useable web pages and get themselves exposed on the Internet as desired. Beyond that, the Legacy user would need to open door #2 or #3 and learn how to modify the created HTML code and Cascading Style Sheets. Those two doors are not within the realm of Legacy's purpose. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, You overlook one problem, if one increases the font size alone then for Pedigree pages, the names and details no longer fit in the boxes Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6676 - Release Date: 09/17/13 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Today's webinar...
Marian Pierre-Louis and I will be trying out GoToWebinar's built-in webcams for the first time during today's live webinar. Hope it works...and hope to see you all there! Register at http://familytreewebinars.com/webinar_details.php?webinar_id=168 Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation ge...@legacyfamilytree.com www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
On 9/18/2013 4:20 AM, Mary Young wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
That would work. And you could put it into the boxes under the Project tab that comes up when you click on Create Web Page. ... or use it as a header so it'll be there on all pages? Cheryl Bernd Hornung wrote: That's why was considering option #.5, which is to add a note(s) to the leading pages explaining the use of control-shift-+ as an option if the viewer has problems seeing the page. I tested it and it stays at the level you choose when you switch pages. Thanks all, Bernie On 17/09/2013 12:59 PM, singhals wrote: IMO/IME, best to pick Door #1. If the webmaster fiddles with the font-sizes so they look good on his DogBrowser v16, they're not gonna fit on Vistor Blx's CatBrowser v6. Most folks with vision issues have their browser/monitor display options set for their own use. Cheryl Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: One does not NEED to use CSS. That's just another learning obstacle after learning the basics of HTML editing. One can safely throw out any mention of a CSS and revert back tofont size=14 tags (or similar sizes) within the actual HTML document. But just to be fair, the World Wide Consortium regards the use offont size tags to be outdated. But then again every web browser still supports the tag. In fact, go to the home page of LegacyFamilyTree.com and you'll find a mix of CSS and dozens offont size= tags within the home page. So, as mentioned, you can: (1) just leave the created HTML pages alone and let the viewers zoom in if they need (2) learn a little bit of HTML and increase font size where you feel necessary (using thefont size tag) (3) if you're a purist, then learn HTML and the use of CSS which allows for easy global changes to all of your HTML pages. To the OP, I'd vote for #1. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornungber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Yes, lordy! In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain vanilla websites may not win design awards or many likes but they DO transmit information. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
Not sure why she left out the name of the Spanish province (Córdoba). On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: According to Getting It Right by Mary H. Slawson (page 145), the location should be entered thusly: name of the body of water, followed by name of the jurisdictions Rio Guadalquivir, Posadas, Andalucia, Espana Lake Washington, near Medina,King, Washington, USA Certainly some rivers are quite long and you'd want to enter the nearest town or other jurisdictional area. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Roger Noonan rnoonan...@gmail.com wrote: I have an ancestor who drowned in the River Mersey near Liverpool when his boat sank. Any suggestions as to how I should record the location? (I assume his body was washed up as there is record of his burial) Roger Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
I got the impression that Sherry was trying to give an example of how to record the entry, not necessarily record the exact entry. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure why she left out the name of the Spanish province (Córdoba). On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: According to Getting It Right by Mary H. Slawson (page 145), the location should be entered thusly: name of the body of water, followed by name of the jurisdictions Rio Guadalquivir, Posadas, Andalucia, Espana Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
Probably to keep it in the 4-place format? Although the one for Lake Washington is in 5 places I'd eliminate the comma between Lake Washington and near Medina Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure why she left out the name of the Spanish province (Córdoba). On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: According to Getting It Right by Mary H. Slawson (page 145), the location should be entered thusly: name of the body of water, followed by name of the jurisdictions Rio Guadalquivir, Posadas, Andalucia, Espana Lake Washington, near Medina,King, Washington, USA Certainly some rivers are quite long and you'd want to enter the nearest town or other jurisdictional area. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Problem 1 - View to name list
Lucy, I remember having that exact same problem a couple years ago. I don;t remember the solution but it should be in the archives. Several people helped me on the list to solve my problem. Maybe one of them with better memory or who knows how to find it in archives can help. Would you tag a few of the 25% that send you to top of the list. In the name list - options do you have ticked both Include alt names AND married names? I recall something funny like problem occurs when both are ticked but unticking maybe one or the other clears the problem. File maintenance didn't help but editing and saving individual fixed problem for that individual. If I recall I may have exported to Legacy file and re-imported to fix my database. -- Richard Van Wasshnova On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Lucy Abbott lucee-...@prodigy.net wrote: Have current version, deluxe user for many years. Problem: When on family view or pedigree view, name of person is highlighted. Previously when you would click on the Name List, it would bring up the person you were on and you could navigate from there to another family name. Currently this is only working about 75 percent of the time, the other 25 percent it takes me to the first name on my name list. Is this a known problem or do I need to do something myself to make it function properly ? Lucy Abbott Bothell, Washington, USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] River as Place of Death
According to Getting It Right by Mary H. Slawson (page 145), the location should be entered thusly: name of the body of water, followed by name of the jurisdictions Rio Guadalquivir, Posadas, Andalucia, Espana Lake Washington, near Medina,King, Washington, USA Certainly some rivers are quite long and you'd want to enter the nearest town or other jurisdictional area. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Roger Noonan rnoonan...@gmail.com wrote: I have an ancestor who drowned in the River Mersey near Liverpool when his boat sank. Any suggestions as to how I should record the location? (I assume his body was washed up as there is record of his burial) Roger Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Bookmark List
There is no way to sort the bookmarks. They're listed in the order they're added. If you want to submit a suggestion, go to our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Help Center Make A Suggestion or use the link in the Support section of the Legacy Home tab Suggest a new feature and it will be passed on to the programmers for consideration. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering if it is possible to rearrange the order of the bookmarks at all? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Cheryl, Sorry, but it is not unrealistic. It is not too difficult to do, and I suspect a lot easier than dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's for the RTF report outputs. It seems to me that those of us who produce web pages are usually prepared to go the extra mile themselves to get the result which they require, and hence shout less than those who are into reports or books. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Bookmark List
I do not see a sort button nor are there arrow buttons to move items in the list. If you are desperate I suppose you could clear the list and rebuild it from scratch in the order you want. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -- On 18/09/2013 1:13 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote: Wondering if it is possible to rearrange the order of the bookmarks at all? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] You Use WHAT For Genealogy? Wonderful Uses For Unusual Tools
Howland, There was a bug with that GoToWebinar build I used for this last webinar so the poll results didn't make the recording. Yes, sometime during the webinar I sneezed. Scared our speaker. He thought I was commenting on something he said. What happened is that when I sneezed, my finger pressed the unmute button. I think I left the sneeze in the recording. Viewers thought it gave the webinar variety. Anyways, my allergies are still bad today and I'll do my best not to sneeze while Marian is speaking. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation ge...@legacyfamilytree.com www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Howlanddavisii howlanddavi...@aol.comwrote: Geoff: I just watched the subject webinar (afternoon of 17 September 2013) and the poll questions were not shown although Thomas referenced one of them. Did you also sneeze early in the webinar and deleted that part? May I ask what the questions were and the percentages/numbers for each reply? I am just curious. Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Kathy and Cheryl, I don't agree. In any good software development organization, there is a process for requirements engineering. The programmers do not necessarily have to be subject matter experts, but others in the organization take in all the inputs from marketing, sales, support, testing, and users and create specifications for new features, minor enhancements, and even non-trivial defect repairs. The programmers can help refine the specs, based on what is feasible, but they don't own the product requirements. And what are the requirements? I think that the LUG community mostly agrees that Millennia should not devote too much effort to things like word processing features and fancy web page design. But there is a difference between a 'plain vanilla' web site and one that is difficult to read. I realize that Millennia is a small shop and some of the above roles are combined. But something like unbalanced font sizes can be fixed if the people responsible for user requirements make it a priority. It doesn't matter if the programmer who first implemented it failed to appreciate that it looked bad, especially if the cause was a defect (e.g., incorrectly nested html tables). Ward -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:29 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Yes, lordy! In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain vanilla websites may not win design awards or many likes but they DO transmit information. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
For those unaware, I am a beta tester and the author of The Legacy Family. As Ron knows well, I tried to have the Legacy webpages updated to a fresher look back in November 2011. The results of which are still available on my site at http://www.easygensolutions.com/concept/index.html if anyone is still interested. Kathy Thompson's comment about spending 4 weeks to do the code was not far off the mark. I spent 2-3 mths tinkering with this just at a concept stage which still show all manner of bugs; but the purpose of it was to show the idea quickly. This post is simply a reminder that not everything falls on deaf ears, some of us do try to help make Legacy that little bit better. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 12:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Cheryl, Sorry, but it is not unrealistic. It is not too difficult to do, and I suspect a lot easier than dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's for the RTF report outputs. It seems to me that those of us who produce web pages are usually prepared to go the extra mile themselves to get the result which they require, and hence shout less than those who are into reports or books. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
For those of us that know little about web design, we look to the genealogy program to create our webpages, and I did so for quite some time, but each time I looked at them I was ashamed of them, the font size was a real frustration to me, the amount of options has had little change with each new Legacy, I started with Legacy 5 and have bought each update available. Sometime later I paid someone to design a website that I could add the Legacy web creation to. I finally contacted Ron Ferguson and he graciously helped me and told me about LTools, and it's like totally different web pages. I along with others have voiced our opinion numerous times, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. If Legacy doesn't want to include CSS etc., then why not try to work with a add on company that does. I personally don't use the add ons that are available even though I'm sure they are good, but I am offended when those that are not interested in better web page creation complain about those of us that do. I receive the Legacy User Group e-mails and probably 75% of those I'm not interested in, but I don't complain about them. We are all different and have different taste and as long as it's about Legacy we should respect others interest at least in my opinion. Syble From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Kathy, I have quite a bit of sympathy with what you say, and I agree with you that even the Pedigree pages are very basic. The most serious problem with the coding is that it uses HTML tables which are incorrectly nested. This is something which a quick run with TIDY can correct. At one time I used to correct this manually, and converted the sections which were important to me to CSS. As you will appreciate this was a time consuming exercise carried out at every update. Fortunately, Dennis, a Legacy user, wrote the LTools HTML tool which corrected the coding and as a bonus converts the lot to CSS. Problem solved! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Free and Easy Ways to Share Your Audio Files - free webinar by Marian Pierre-Louis now online for limited time
The recording of today's webinar by Marian Pierre-Louis, Free and Easy Ways to Share Your Audio Files is now online to view for free for a limited time. Marian had some excellent ideas for sharing our family history with others, including creating slide shows and movies. She also demonstrated how to add an audio file to Legacy Family Tree. *View the Recording at FamilyTreeWebinars.com* If you could not make it to the live event or just want to watch it again, the 1 hour 27 minute recording of *Free and Easy Ways to Share Your Audio Files* is now available to view in our webinar archives for free through September 26, 2013. It is also available to our monthly or annual Webinar Members for the duration of your membership. Visit www.FamilyTreeWebinars.com http://www.familytreewebinars.com/ to watch. *Special Discount Coupon* The special discount coupon of *audio* that was announced during the webinar is valid for 10% off anything at both www.LegacyFamilyTreeStore.comhttp://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/ and www.FamilyTreeWebinars.com http://www.familytreewebinars.com/ through Monday, September 23, 2013. *Webinar Memberships/Subscriptions* Webinar Members get: - On-demand access to the entire webinar archives (now 190 hours of genealogy education) - On-demand access to the instructor handouts (now 499 pages) - 5% off all products at www.FamilyTreeWebinars.comhttp://www.familytreewebinars.com/ (must be logged in at checkout, and yes, you can also use the 10% off webinar coupon above for a total of 15% off) - Access to all future recordings for the duration of their membership - Chance for a members-only door prize during each live webinar Introductory pricing: - Annual membership: $49.95/year (that's about the cost of 5 webinar CDs) - Monthly membership: $9.95/month Click here to subscribehttp://legacy.familytreewebinars.com/memberships-c11.php . *Register for our upcoming webinars (free)* - Using Church Records to Identify Ancestors by Mary Hill. October 23. - Using Court Records to tell the Story of our Ancestors' Lives by Judy Russell. October 30. - Ancestry Trees Can Jump Start Your Research by DearMYRTLE. November 1. - Researching with Marian! Creating a Research Plan with YOUR Research by Marian Pierre-Louis. November 6. - Using GPS Coordinates to Tag and Record Your Photos with Heritage Collector Software by Marlo Schuldt. November 8. - Researching Your Ohio Ancestors by Lisa Alzo. November 13. - Mind Mapping Your Research Plans and Results by Thomas MacEntee. November 20. - How Computers Gadgets are Changing Genealogy by Barbara Renick. December 4. - Overcoming Lost Records Using Technology by Karen Clifford. December 18. Click here to register http://www.familytreewebinars.com/. See you online! Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation ge...@legacyfamilytree.com www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Ward, Purely in the interest of avoiding wasted discussion may I make it clear that the problems of font size are not connected at all with the incorrect nesting of tables. Problems due to nesting mainly arise when one wishes to enclose Legacy pages in headers and footers, or more seriously if a side column (eg. for an index) is created Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
I have vision problems and the font sizes in the Legacy web pages have *never* been a problem for me. In the past I have viewed many other web pages that I've immediately left because the backgrounds were too busy, the colors were not contrasty enough or the fonts were too small... However, once I learned about the ctrl-scroll and zoom options to change the size of the fonts on the web pages, the fonts were never an issue again on any web page. And when the webpage is just plain not readable because of the busy backgrounds, bad color choices, etc, I go right to Options in my browser and select the accessibility options. It it's something I want to read badly enough After my eye surgery, I did need to have the accessibility options set all the time. A little frustrating because I did miss some well done design, but the important thing was that I could *read* the webpages, even when they were designed poorly. However some websites are so poorly designed that not even the accessibility options in the browser will help - not so with the webpages created in Legacy - they all work just fine for those with bad eyesight if the person just simply knows how to use their browser's accessibility options. I'm quickly learning that the majority of web designers have 20/20 vision and don't know what it's like for the rest of us (and maybe don't even care) so I need to do something from *my* end to make the pages work. What is beautiful to some is awful to others and what is awful to some looks just fine to another group. Beauty in a webpage is a very subjective thing. I'm grateful that I can at least change the browser when something doesn't quite work for me. Sadly I can't do the same thing when I can't read a magazine or newspaper article in print! For those of you who know a little or a lot about web design, I would strongly recommend that you study the articles at www.webaim.org to learn how to get your message across to more people than you are now. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com wrote: For those of us that know little about web design, we look to the genealogy program to create our webpages, and I did so for quite some time, but each time I looked at them I was ashamed of them, the font size was a real frustration to me, the amount of options has had little change with each new Legacy, I started with Legacy 5 and have bought each update available. Sometime later I paid someone to design a website that I could add the Legacy web creation to. I finally contacted Ron Ferguson and he graciously helped me and told me about LTools, and it's like totally different web pages. I along with others have voiced our opinion numerous times, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. If Legacy doesn't want to include CSS etc., then why not try to work with a add on company that does. I personally don't use the add ons that are available even though I'm sure they are good, but I am offended when those that are not interested in better web page creation complain about those of us that do.I receive the Legacy User Group e-mails and probably 75% of those I'm not interested in, but I don't complain about them.We are all different and have different taste and as long as it's about Legacy we should respect others interest at least in my opinion. Syble Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Mark, I also seem to remember you saying, maybe a couple of years earlier, that you didn't fancy re-inventing the wheel :-). It was around this time that in conjunction with another user, whose name escapes me, I evaluated in depth the nesting problem, and we submitted reports to Legacy. I am sure that we share the frustration of being no further on today. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Bookmark List
Ok, thanks Sherry Kathy On 19/09/2013, at 1:13 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: There is no way to sort the bookmarks. They're listed in the order they're added. If you want to submit a suggestion, go to our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Help Center Make A Suggestion or use the link in the Support section of the Legacy Home tab Suggest a new feature and it will be passed on to the programmers for consideration. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering if it is possible to rearrange the order of the bookmarks at all? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
I appreciate this post, I was not aware that anyone had worked on updating the webpage creation. Thanks at least for trying. Syble From: Mark Lang markl...@adam.com.au To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages For those unaware, I am a beta tester and the author of The Legacy Family. As Ron knows well, I tried to have the Legacy webpages updated to a fresher look back in November 2011. The results of which are still available on my site at http://www.easygensolutions.com/concept/index.htmlif anyone is still interested. Kathy Thompson's comment about spending 4 weeks to do the code was not far off the mark. I spent 2-3 mths tinkering with this just at a concept stage which still show all manner of bugs; but the purpose of it was to show the idea quickly. This post is simply a reminder that not everything falls on deaf ears, some of us do try to help make Legacy that little bit better. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 12:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Cheryl, Sorry, but it is not unrealistic. It is not too difficult to do, and I suspect a lot easier than dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's for the RTF report outputs. It seems to me that those of us who produce web pages are usually prepared to go the extra mile themselves to get the result which they require, and hence shout less than those who are into reports or books. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Bookmark List
Thanks Brian - I might pop a suggestion in for the arrow buttons to be included, it would be nice to sort them occasionally. On 19 September 2013 01:18, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: I do not see a sort button nor are there arrow buttons to move items in the list. If you are desperate I suppose you could clear the list and rebuild it from scratch in the order you want. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -- On 18/09/2013 1:13 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote: Wondering if it is possible to rearrange the order of the bookmarks at all? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Problem 1 - View to name list
If you have the name list checked to Include Married Names, when you go from the highlighted person on the Family view it sometimes, but not always, goes from the to the top of the list for any married women. If you unckeck Include Married Names it always goes to the highlighted person. Boyd Boyd On 19/09/2013 3:12 a.m., Richard Van Wasshnova wrote: Lucy, I remember having that exact same problem a couple years ago. I don;t remember the solution but it should be in the archives. Several people helped me on the list to solve my problem. Maybe one of them with better memory or who knows how to find it in archives can help. Would you tag a few of the 25% that send you to top of the list. In the name list - options do you have ticked both Include alt names AND married names? I recall something funny like problem occurs when both are ticked but unticking maybe one or the other clears the problem. File maintenance didn't help but editing and saving individual fixed problem for that individual. If I recall I may have exported to Legacy file and re-imported to fix my database. -- Richard Van Wasshnova On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Lucy Abbott lucee-...@prodigy.net mailto:lucee-...@prodigy.net wrote: Have current version, deluxe user for many years. Problem: When on family view or pedigree view, name of person is highlighted. Previously when you would click on the Name List, it would bring up the person you were on and you could navigate from there to another family name. Currently this is only working about 75 percent of the time, the other 25 percent it takes me to the first name on my name list. Is this a known problem or do I need to do something myself to make it function properly ? Lucy Abbott Bothell, Washington, USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
You've mentioned this at least once before. Is it something that you've submitted a bug report about? Can you provide an example of Legacy creating such incorrectly nested tables. I've always imported my created pages into my own HTML editor and while I've noticed a lot of small errors such as missing closing tags, etc, I've never seen the issue with the tables. Either I've overlooked it or it's from a type of pages I've never created. Keep in mind that W3C regards the use of tables as outdated and recommends better constructs (DIV tags, etc.). I guess all of this sort of dates Legacy's created HTML as already somewhat out of date. Maybe they do need to look at this matter again and bump it up in priority before the competition starts creating pages with full HTML5 sound and video. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Ward, Purely in the interest of avoiding wasted discussion may I make it clear that the problems of font size are not connected at all with the incorrect nesting of tables. Problems due to nesting mainly arise when one wishes to enclose Legacy pages in headers and footers, or more seriously if a side column (eg. for an index) is created Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
The major question is - did you buy this as a genealogy program, or as a web site development program? I believe the programmers are going to serve their bread and butter first (genealogy) and anything else ( webpage development) second,. I also happen to be one of those who have worked for both software and website developers. Their needs and processes were much different from each other. I bought Legacy first to handle my genealogy needs - and anything else is frosting. Cheers! Jackie On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: Kathy and Cheryl, I don't agree. In any good software development organization, there is a process for requirements engineering. The programmers do not necessarily have to be subject matter experts, but others in the organization take in all the inputs from marketing, sales, support, testing, and users and create specifications for new features, minor enhancements, and even non-trivial defect repairs. The programmers can help refine the specs, based on what is feasible, but they don't own the product requirements. And what are the requirements? I think that the LUG community mostly agrees that Millennia should not devote too much effort to things like word processing features and fancy web page design. But there is a difference between a 'plain vanilla' web site and one that is difficult to read. I realize that Millennia is a small shop and some of the above roles are combined. But something like unbalanced font sizes can be fixed if the people responsible for user requirements make it a priority. It doesn't matter if the programmer who first implemented it failed to appreciate that it looked bad, especially if the cause was a defect (e.g., incorrectly nested html tables). Ward -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:29 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Yes, lordy! In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain vanilla websites may not win design awards or many likes but they DO transmit information. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the
Re: [LegacyUG] Problem 1 - View to name list
Boyd, A couple years ago mine was acting that way (or something like that). About 10 % were problematic, both male and female. I tagged about 20 problem individuals and exported them to Legacy to send the sample to Legacy. When I checked my sample there was no problem. If I recall I exported and re-imported and problem went away for good. -- Richard Van Wasshnova On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Boyd Miller bo...@vodafone.net.nz wrote: If you have the name list checked to Include Married Names, when you go from the highlighted person on the Family view it sometimes, but not always, goes from the to the top of the list for any married women. If you unckeck Include Married Names it always goes to the highlighted person. Boyd Boyd On 19/09/2013 3:12 a.m., Richard Van Wasshnova wrote: Lucy, I remember having that exact same problem a couple years ago. I don;t remember the solution but it should be in the archives. Several people helped me on the list to solve my problem. Maybe one of them with better memory or who knows how to find it in archives can help. Would you tag a few of the 25% that send you to top of the list. In the name list - options do you have ticked both Include alt names AND married names? I recall something funny like problem occurs when both are ticked but unticking maybe one or the other clears the problem. File maintenance didn't help but editing and saving individual fixed problem for that individual. If I recall I may have exported to Legacy file and re-imported to fix my database. -- Richard Van Wasshnova On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Lucy Abbott lucee-...@prodigy.netwrote: Have current version, deluxe user for many years. Problem: When on family view or pedigree view, name of person is highlighted. Previously when you would click on the Name List, it would bring up the person you were on and you could navigate from there to another family name. Currently this is only working about 75 percent of the time, the other 25 percent it takes me to the first name on my name list. Is this a known problem or do I need to do something myself to make it function properly ? Lucy Abbott Bothell, Washington, USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
