Re: [LegacyUG] speaking of location names

[Steve Hayes]

On 14 Apr 2017 at 10:35, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

> A few months ago I sent a suggestion to Legacy for the ability to add a number
> of name variations for locations, instead of only a short version. I have
> diverse ancestry from different parts of Europe where it is very common for
> the same location to have been under various countries or empires through
> history. Genealogists are supposed to use the location name as it was at the
> time of the event. You also learn a little more about the lives of ancestors
> if you know whether they lived under the Russian and /or Austrian Empires and
> /or Napoleon Bonaparte´s empire etc. Geo location can distract family
> historians from researching the actual borders of the time, finding
> interesting information and factors causing ancestors to emigrate etc.

Yes, I try, where possible, to do that, but FamilySearch seems to want to use 
the current name of a place, regardless of when the event took place. And it 
sometimes has standardised on completely inaccurate place names, and suggests 
"standard" names that would mean that a place would have to be in two or more 
different places, none of them within 500 miles of where it actually is.

The German ones are particularly difficult, and, being unaware of all the 
historical nuances, I usually enter things like "Woddow, Brandenburg, 
Ueckermark, Prussia" even for periods when I'm not sure how accurate it is. 

It does, however, mean that in Legacy, one can had 3-4 different place name 
entries for the same physical location. 

For example, I have 

Johannesburg, Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek (short form ZAR)
Johannesburg, Transvaal
Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa (short form RSA)
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa. 

and there was even a period when Gauteng was known as PWV

FamilySearch now wants to tack "United Kingdom" on to places in England, 
Scotland and Wales, at the very time when the Brexit vote makes it uncertain 
hoe long the UK will last, and it wants that name for periods even before the 
United Kingdom was formed. 

I'm reminded of the book which features Lewis Carroll's Cheshire cat from 
"Alice in Wonderland", only it introduces itself as "the Unitary Authority of 
Warrington Cat". 

Of course one can always record a history of the changes of name and 
jurisdiction in the location notes, and perhaps that is the way to go. 











> 
> I admit however, it can get very complicated. I am the only family historian
> or genealogist that I know of who is "nutty" enough to attempt using
> accurate location names for the extremely complex territories of the German
> Holy Roman Empire- I think Family Search only uses locations as they were
> after the 1815 Congress of Vienna which made enormous changes to borders
> throughout Europe. 
> 
> You can however be rewarded with very fascinating stories e.g. I have
> ancestors who lived in a culturally German district which was a tiny French
> exclave which had been geographically located within a bigger exclave of the
> Duchy of Lorraine. These ancestors emigrated to a corner of "Poland" which
> had been taken by the Austrian Empire. They, with other German families
> established their own colony/settlement. This region then fell to Napoleon,
> becoming part of the Duchy of Warsaw. It then went to the Russian Empire
> ("Russian Poland"). All this in one ancestor´s lifetime! Other branches
> of my family tree also have fascinating stories relating to locations.
> 
> Researching locations takes time so I mostly research my direct ancestors and
> sometimes their siblings, rather than spending time finding thousands of
> distant cousins which to me seems pointless and much less interesting.
> 
> John
> 


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Re: [LegacyUG] speaking of location names

[CE WOOD]

So glad to find another interested in locations, their histories, and various 
iterations! I hope Legacy can add the facility of an alternate name index. It 
is simple to do in Access.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] speaking of location names

A few months ago I sent a suggestion to Legacy for the ability to add a number 
of name variations for locations, instead of only a short version. I have 
diverse ancestry from different parts of Europe where it is very common for the 
same location to have been under various countries or empires through history. 
Genealogists are supposed to use the location name as it was at the time of the 
event. You also learn a little more about the lives of ancestors if you know 
whether they lived under the Russian and /or Austrian Empires and /or Napoleon 
Bonaparte’s empire etc. Geo location can distract family historians from 
researching the actual borders of the time, finding interesting information and 
factors causing ancestors to emigrate etc.
I admit however, it can get very complicated. I am the only family historian or 
genealogist that I know of who is “nutty” enough to attempt using accurate 
location names for the extremely complex territories of the German Holy Roman 
Empire- I think Family Search only uses locations as they were after the 1815 
Congress of Vienna which made enormous changes to borders throughout Europe.
You can however be rewarded with very fascinating stories e.g. I have ancestors 
who lived in a culturally German district which was a tiny French exclave which 
had been geographically located within a bigger exclave of the Duchy of 
Lorraine. These ancestors emigrated to a corner of “Poland” which had been 
taken by the Austrian Empire. They, with other German families established 
their own colony/settlement. This region then fell to Napoleon, becoming part 
of the Duchy of Warsaw. It then went to the Russian Empire (“Russian Poland”). 
All this in one ancestor’s lifetime! Other branches of my family tree also have 
fascinating stories relating to locations.
Researching locations takes time so I mostly research my direct ancestors and 
sometimes their siblings, rather than spending time finding thousands of 
distant cousins which to me seems pointless and much less interesting.
John
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[LegacyUG] speaking of location names

[johnbernacki1]

A few months ago I sent a suggestion to Legacy for the ability to add a number 
of name variations for locations, instead of only a short version. I have 
diverse ancestry from different parts of Europe where it is very common for the 
same location to have been under various countries or empires through history. 
Genealogists are supposed to use the location name as it was at the time of the 
event. You also learn a little more about the lives of ancestors if you know 
whether they lived under the Russian and /or Austrian Empires and /or Napoleon 
Bonaparte’s empire etc. Geo location can distract family historians from 
researching the actual borders of the time, finding interesting information and 
factors causing ancestors to emigrate etc.

I admit however, it can get very complicated. I am the only family historian or 
genealogist that I know of who is “nutty” enough to attempt using accurate 
location names for the extremely complex territories of the German Holy Roman 
Empire- I think Family Search only uses locations as they were after the 1815 
Congress of Vienna which made enormous changes to borders throughout Europe. 

You can however be rewarded with very fascinating stories e.g. I have ancestors 
who lived in a culturally German district which was a tiny French exclave which 
had been geographically located within a bigger exclave of the Duchy of 
Lorraine. These ancestors emigrated to a corner of “Poland” which had been 
taken by the Austrian Empire. They, with other German families established 
their own colony/settlement. This region then fell to Napoleon, becoming part 
of the Duchy of Warsaw. It then went to the Russian Empire (“Russian Poland”). 
All this in one ancestor’s lifetime! Other branches of my family tree also have 
fascinating stories relating to locations.

Researching locations takes time so I mostly research my direct ancestors and 
sometimes their siblings, rather than spending time finding thousands of 
distant cousins which to me seems pointless and much less interesting.

John
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[LegacyUG] Windows Creators Update

[Michele/Support]

For those that have updated to the new Windows Creators update - We have a
couple of known bugs which have been reported to our developers.





1) Right click in the children's list does not work. You have to left click
first then the right click will work BUT if you change to another screen
within Legacy OR you switch to another task window outside of Legacy you
will lose your right click again and the cycle starts over.





2) The Options button on the Descendant View and the Index View have been
disabled.





We know about these and we are working on it so there is no need to send an
email to tech support.

 

 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] alternate name index

[Georges Sarrazin]

The French group has already modified its toponym database to make the
locations names consistent with our terminology.

For example, for France, we use five fields :  City, City code, Department,
Region, Country.

 

We also developed a system to take ancient names into consideration. We use
{}.

So we have  Old City Name {New City Name}, City code, Department, Region,
Country.

 

We also use () to add note to a location, i.e. (church name, castle name,
etc.); City (Castle name), City code, Department, Region, Country.

 

All of these  changes have already been made for France, Belgiium and Québec
Canada.

 

Georges

 

 

De : LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] De la
part de CE WOOD
Envoyé : 12 avril 2017 22:28
À : Legacy User Group 
Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] alternate name index

 

That's not what I mean. When you enter a name, you are able to enter myriad
alternate names for the same person. Click on any of those names, and you
are taken to the same person. That facility exists in Access (upon which
Legacy is based). It could just as easily be applied to Locations. It would
solve so many problems.

 

I have many thousands medieval persons in my database, all of whom have
multiple names, titles, et alia. Medieval documents refer to person by
titles, alternate spellings were common, etc. I can enter all of those names
as alternate names. They appear in the Index. I have "England, King of", for
instance and can instantly see all of them. Same for Earls, Counts, Dukes,
whatever. That could be done with the Location Index, if Legacy only would
do so.

 

 

CE 

 

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From: LegacyUserGroup < 
legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of Ian Thomas <
 il.tho...@outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:01 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] alternate name index 

 

Unfortunately, I think the creation of an alternate name index would be a
never-ending task. Also, ever-changing? 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jane Linkswiler
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2017 11:47 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'  >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names - olde vs current

 

Sounds like a great idea for the suggestion box.

 

Jane in Phoenix

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:35 PM
To: Legacy User Group  >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names - olde vs current?

 

It's a real shame that Legacy does not use the same Access ability and
create an alternate location index as they have done for the alternate name
index. It would be S helpful!

 

CE 

 

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From: LegacyUserGroup  > on behalf of Ian Thomas
 >
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:43 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names - olde vs current? 

 

Cathy

Thanks for the information; I had noticed some posts here about reverse
sorting addresses, but I didn’t think it applied to my situation. And I do
occasionally “correct” the mapping / Bing Maps positioning for locations
that end up in the wrong continent, etc. But not for the historic place
naming. 

Also, I should use the additional description you cited for
Newcastle/Toodyay – the “(now Toodyay)” is more explicit than how I have
been doing it.  

I would like to include the farm/property names - “Summerhill”, New Norcia,
Western Australia, Australia – but I have been putting this in Notes or a
residence event, assuming that the quotes and specific property names would
guarantee that the location couldn’t be found by Bing Maps. 

The article you referred to is good – I hadn’t seen it.

Also, Brian Kelly’s suggestion for positioning is a very logical method for
registering the historic location name at essentially the location of the
currently-used name for the location. Thanks, Brian.   

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2017 7:59 PM
To: Legacy User Group  >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names - olde vs current?

 

Ian,

You can plot anything on the Bing maps in Legacy. Just highlight the
location you are mapping then right click on the map to put the pin in the
right place.

I include addresses, including farm names like your examples, in my
locations. Others don't.
Because I do this I always sort my location list from 

Re: [LegacyUG] [OT] UKBMD and historic placenames, registration districts for UK

[Jenny M Benson]

On 13-Apr-17 09:22 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:

When the source I have is from the BMD indexes, I usually enter the name of
the registration district followed by RD, especially if the registration
district overlaps the county boundaries.


Likewise, except that I use ", Registration District" for 
the long form, and RD in the short form, just to clarify.


For the benefit of those who are not aware: it is often NOT correct to 
include a County name when specifying an RD.  Also it is often NOT 
correct to omit the RD part of the location because someone may be born 
in a town which is covered by an RD with the name of a different town.


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Re: [LegacyUG] [OT] UKBMD and historic placenames, registration districts for UK

[Steve Hayes]

On 13 Apr 2017 at 1:58, Ian Thomas wrote:

> This may be off-topic (hence [OT] ), but perhaps useful for some on the list?
> UKBMD is an increasingly useful source for UK genealogy information, and as a
> newcomer to this interest/hobby I had to discover what was meant by locality
> descriptions like "Plomesgate" (in Sussex) for some related ancestors. I knew
> that Aldeburgh was a locality / parish name and (sub-) district, but when I
> first saw Plomesgate in association with that name I was a bit confused. This
> is a typical link, from which other district descriptions and their "member
> villages" (my term) can be found:
> http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/REG/districts/plomesgate.html You will note that there
> are helpful references and descriptions of changes to the boundaries / naming
> (etc) of the districts. UKBMD of course has much more than this feature.

When the source I have is from the BMD indexes, I usually enter the name of 
the registration district followed by RD, especially if the registration 
district overlaps the county boundaries. 


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