Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage
Support for same sex marriages was introduced in Legacy 9.0. Legacy 8.0 does not support them. Brian Kelly On 09-Oct.-19 6:22 a.m., JoPoi wrote: Is it possible to have a same sex marriage using Legacy v8 DL. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Same sex marriage
Is it possible to have a same sex marriage using Legacy v8 DL. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage question
HI, When I do reports that contains same sex marriages it will print the spouse in one family report but when I try to do the spouse of the other family it will not be included. Any ideas. Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
In my case I view my version of my family tree as a family HISTORY so.. especially for areas of the tree with which I am REALLY familiar, I have included family stories etc that I have verified through research. Other areas and branches that I am perhaps not as closely affiliated with I view more as a genealogy..and if I live long enough, maybe I will get get them to the stage where it is a family history book through and through. Along the way, I HAVE made some choices regarding how much time and effort I would invest in adopted children...often it is based on how involved THEY have remained in the life of the family I am researching. I find that within my family, frequently not much information was even collected on adopted children. Going back and changing that has proved to be a daunting position to take...but I am working at it...It's a little like eating an elephanta little bit at a time ---Original Message--- From: JLB Date: 07/10/12 01:42:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I disagree that it's your purview to decide when a thread should end. I don't mind that you changed the title of it though. It's possible the Legacy staff would find this discussion quite useful in making their own determinations. I've found it quite interesting although nauseating at times as I'm not on the 'religious' side whatsoever. And, Ian, there's no such thing as a 'gay lifestyle' just homosexual or other-sexual people. Genealogy or family history. I hadn't thought about it that way before. So I guess 'genealogy' means I should get busy recording the babies born through rape. (Pure bloodlines! biological on at least one side ... ) And 'family history' means picking and choosing what you please? OK now I'm totally confused. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 10:24 PM, familytree wrote: I KNOW I am committing one of the lists unpardonable sins by hijacking a thread but really DO feel the previous topic had surpassed its useful life . I still think that's a decision you make at the outsetare you doing family history or genealogy...although I admit that I have changed my mind sometimes when the family history becomes particularly intriguing. I also tend to change my mind on the subject when I find many intermarriages between familiesthen I just CAN'T resist the temptation to find out more...It is family history AND genealogy in my case...and I rather enjoy the sounds of the skeletons hanging in the closet /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ JLB mailto:j...@jgen.ws /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 00:58:25 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different Than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http
Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
LOL...not sure about YOUR family tree but I am busy keeping track of the babies born before the marriage dates that my ancestors conveniently forgot about...and for the record that is BOTH genealogy and family history. Your results may vary... ---Original Message--- From: JLB Date: 07/10/12 01:42:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. snip. Genealogy or family history. I hadn't thought about it that way before. So I guess 'genealogy' means I should get busy recording the babies born through rape. (Pure bloodlines! biological on at least one side ... ) And 'family history' means picking and choosing what you please? OK now I'm totally confused. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 10:24 PM, familytree wrote: I KNOW I am committing one of the lists unpardonable sins by hijacking a thread but really DO feel the previous topic had surpassed its useful life . I still think that's a decision you make at the outsetare you doing family history or genealogy...although I admit that I have changed my mind sometimes when the family history becomes particularly intriguing. I also tend to change my mind on the subject when I find many intermarriages between familiesthen I just CAN'T resist the temptation to find out more...It is family history AND genealogy in my case...and I rather enjoy the sounds of the skeletons hanging in the closet /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ JLB mailto:j...@jgen.ws /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 00:58:25 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different Than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I hope Legacy catches up to reflecting human reality as it is. Because what am I supposed to do with perfectly good and happy gay cousins in the meantime? Obviously, Legacy is not strictly 'genealogy' software because if it was they would have left out the option to record adopted children. Right now, it's not clearly 'genealogy' OR 'family history'. It's taken us centuries to get to the point where people can have babies without being 'sanctified by The Church in Marriage' first or ever and having to hide it because the sky might fall if the neighbours find out. My mother's from that world so it's not so long ago. For the sake of people who are still pretending that homosexuals and transsexuals don't exist and/or will soon be wiped off the face of the earth by some godly force - perhaps Legacy could make an option that can turn off those nasty bits in the same way that non-LDS can turn off the LDS stuff. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 11:20 PM, familytree wrote: LOL...not sure about YOUR family tree but I am busy keeping track of the babies born before the marriage dates that my ancestors conveniently forgot about...and for the record that is BOTH genealogy and family history. Your results may vary... /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ JLB mailto:j...@jgen.ws /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 01:42:02 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. snip. Genealogy or family history. I hadn't thought about it that way before. So I guess 'genealogy' means I should get busy recording the babies born through rape. (Pure bloodlines! biological on at least one side ... ) And 'family history' means picking and choosing what you please? OK now I'm totally confused. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 10:24 PM, familytree wrote: I KNOW I am committing one of the lists unpardonable sins by hijacking a thread but really DO feel the previous topic had surpassed its useful life.. I still think that's a decision you make at the outsetare you doing family history or genealogy...although I admit that I have changed my mind sometimes when the family history becomes particularly intriguing. I also tend to change my mind on the subject when I find many intermarriages between familiesthen I just CAN'T resist the temptation to find out more...It is family history AND genealogy in my case...and I rather enjoy the sounds of the skeletons hanging in the closet /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ JLB mailto:j...@jgen.ws /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 00:58:25 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different Than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
On 2012/07/10 11:30, Lloyd Hite wrote: On 7/9/2012 10:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Thank you for writing this, Darlene. If these changes are incorporated in a later version of Legacy, then I plan to continue using the previous version. Such intolerance! Surely tolerance is at the very root of Christianity? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I will not enter the religious or moral debate further. It was never my intention that it would degrade such. In terms of a work around, the marriage wording works for me - for now. BUT clearly as things change, and its changing very fast, Legacy will change or be abandoned by those who wish to record an accurate history, those that want all the facts for future generations, and those who adhere to evidentiary principles. Most of us understand the basics of why the LDS is so devoted to genealogy and one can only hope that long term it may be seen as counterproductive to force people away from Legacy LDS resources. -Original Message- From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws] Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 2:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 9:48 PM, familytree wrote: Using THAT criteria, I assume that you exclude any adopted children since they have neither parent's bloodline...and using THAT criteria then Legacy IS a genealogy program. Many others use it as a family history program. It just depends how much flesh you want to put on the bones. I STILL say that this discussion has run its course and is rapidly descending to a personal bias levelLet's move on /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Darlene Don Hicks mailto:darca...@yahoo.com /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 00:26:16 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. It is about blood lines as when two people marry the child of this marriage has the blood of both and therefore a blood line. The person of the couple that is your aunt or uncle is a direct bloodline being siblings to your parent. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* JLB j...@jgen.ws *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. I've only come across one that I know of and since she married one of my favourite cousins, then dumped him for another woman (I found out courtsey of a builder doing renovations to the ex-wife's new home!), I didn't bother with adding the new person in her life. I didn't know the other person's name anyway and all parties are now dead so it's pretty much an irrelevance now. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. To me, unmarried is also the term for a couple who are divorced. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Well, it IS the truth. They have chosen to be a couple and that is their prerogative if nature has had a hiccup that's resulted in the body being of one sex but the inner workings of that body being the opposite sex. There is nothing the person concerned can do about that if they don't want to go down the path of changing the body to match the inner workings. Such a couple adopting a child is another matter and one I don't agree with. However, IF the couple are permitted to adopt a child, then that adoption is as that of a heterosexual couple, even if it does go against the Laws of Nature. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. True homosexuals are a small percentage of any country and they have my sympathy, not in the feeling sorry for them way because they didn't ask to be like that but because they are entitled to Christian compassion for a mistake of nature. I knew a couple, back in the 1970s, who were homosexual, both men. One was a really lovely guy, never pushed his sexuality at anyone. He was great. I often used to have a chat and a giggle with him. His given names, from birth, were Beverley Lyn. He was Welsh and those are man's names in Wales. His partner was completely different: aggressive, loud in yer face with his sexuality. I didn't like him at all and I can't remember his name either. I avoided him at all costs. You know, a homosexual man is a girl's best friend. Why? Because he likes her for herself, not for any sexual reason. All that said, how you do your genealogy is your choice just as how others do theirs is their choice. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. I wouldn't go that far if Legacy DID decide to allow the option to show homosexual relationships. I believe all genealogy programs will eventually include the option. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Dear LUG subscribers: Please do not continue the thread on Same sex marriage. To quote from the Legacy Users Group Guidlines: The LUG is not a free forum for political or social commentary, activist issues, religious opinion or morality lectures. Millennia Corporation reserves the right to ban discussion of hot button topics that are divisive; disruptive to the LUG; or are not in line with the purpose of the LUG. Millennia Corporation reserves the right to remove without warning any subscriber who violates the purpose of this forum; who ignores warnings from the LUG Administrator; or who violates the rules of LUG etiquette. Persons believing they have been unfairly removed from the LUG may appeal to the Administrator: LUG Administrator. (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp) Please take this warning seriously. There is absolutely no reason to comment on this warning. To do may also result in removal from the LUG. Thank you, Jim Terry LUG Administrator LegacyFamilyTree.com Original Message From: Ian GARDENER ijg3...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I started this thread as a how to question but is fast deteriorating into a religious slanging match. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
A few simple requests from a lurker and sometimes poster, please: (1) that we all remember to SNIP, as sometimes these posts and their previous postings get rather long. It might also save us from having to see/reread certain posts. (2) kindness, helpfulness and answering a question are what we are all looking for on this site; judgments and political or personal beliefs have several other outlets. Let's also think about how our written comments may seem harsh or snippy - no one likes to be on the receiving end of those types of comments. (3) let's discuss the Legacy program as a tool, rather than personal religious beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but I did not sign up to have to scroll through them. Why not keep your signature line relevant to genealogy and Legacy? Thanks so much and I continue to want to learn about your research, any tips and tricks for making the Legacy program work more efficiently, and helpful comments good cheer. Tessa Keough Guild of One Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group Surnames - Keough, Murphy, Aylward, Kocevar, Lidman, Zagradisnik Places - Ireland, Newfoundland, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden, USA (New York, Illinois, Missouri, Nebraska, Washington) Blogs - The Keough Corner and Scandia Musings More On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:35 PM, JLB j...@jgen.ws wrote: I hope Legacy catches up to reflecting human reality as it is. SNIP JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 10:24 PM, familytree wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Hi Rich I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female when you add the “husband/wife” to the person. Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ Many thanks, Jemima From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺ Cheers Ian GARDENER From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed them as married as they had a civil marriage. then I listed that they had no children It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my findings on to you. Kindest regards, Rich From: Ian GARDENER ijg3...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married” name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I seem to recollect that when a file is imported from a same sex relationship, the sexes are retained. I cannot be certain, but I would think that if the two people are exported to a GEDCOM, the sex of one changed in Notepad, then use the GEDCOM to replace the Legacy records, then this may work. I emphasise that I am uncertain about this, but it can do no harm to try! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: ArdenholmeGenealogy Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:14 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi Rich I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female when you add the “husband/wife†to the person. Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ Many thanks, Jemima From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺ Cheers Ian GARDENER From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed them as married as they had a civil marriage. then I listed that they had no children It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my findings on to you. Kindest regards, Rich From: Ian GARDENER ijg3...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married†name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships.
ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote: Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships were regarded at the norm. Perhaps Partner 1 and Partner 2 could be the normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc. This could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted. I know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included. There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged father. Something else I would like to see is the dropping of Unknown for the father where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a relationship with the child's father. Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it but allow customisation. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships.
Here is what I do for same sex relationships.It's not perfect but it helps. I enter the same sex partner as the spouse, which of course makes that partner the wrong sex, and then click on marriage information and then click on the Wording Options tab. From there you can at least change the labels in the Family View to whatever you wish Female and Female...Female and Same Sex PartnerWife and Wife, etc. Hope this helps. Rita in South Carolina -Original Message- From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships. ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote: Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships were regarded at the norm. Perhaps Partner 1 and Partner 2 could be the normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc. This could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted. I know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included. There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged father. Something else I would like to see is the dropping of Unknown for the father where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a relationship with the child's father. Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it but allow customisation. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships.
I'll check that out, thanks. -Original Message- From: Rita Lynn McKale [mailto:cagr...@comporium.net] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 11:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships. Here is what I do for same sex relationships.It's not perfect but it helps. I enter the same sex partner as the spouse, which of course makes that partner the wrong sex, and then click on marriage information and then click on the Wording Options tab. From there you can at least change the labels in the Family View to whatever you wish Female and Female...Female and Same Sex PartnerWife and Wife, etc. Hope this helps. Rita in South Carolina -Original Message- From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships. ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote: Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships were regarded at the norm. Perhaps Partner 1 and Partner 2 could be the normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc. This could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted. I know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included. There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged father. Something else I would like to see is the dropping of Unknown for the father where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a relationship with the child's father. Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it but allow customisation. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships.
Actually just had a play with it and that will do it for me. Thanks. I don't want to lose too much sleep over this one off item in my file. Cheers -Original Message- From: Rita Lynn McKale [mailto:cagr...@comporium.net] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 11:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships. Here is what I do for same sex relationships.It's not perfect but it helps. I enter the same sex partner as the spouse, which of course makes that partner the wrong sex, and then click on marriage information and then click on the Wording Options tab. From there you can at least change the labels in the Family View to whatever you wish Female and Female...Female and Same Sex PartnerWife and Wife, etc. Hope this helps. Rita in South Carolina -Original Message- From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships. ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote: Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships were regarded at the norm. Perhaps Partner 1 and Partner 2 could be the normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc. This could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted. I know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included. There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged father. Something else I would like to see is the dropping of Unknown for the father where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a relationship with the child's father. Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it but allow customisation. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Based on the workaround web page it looks like running maint will just reverse it. -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 7:34 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I seem to recollect that when a file is imported from a same sex relationship, the sexes are retained. I cannot be certain, but I would think that if the two people are exported to a GEDCOM, the sex of one changed in Notepad, then use the GEDCOM to replace the Legacy records, then this may work. I emphasise that I am uncertain about this, but it can do no harm to try! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: ArdenholmeGenealogy Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:14 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi Rich I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female when you add the “husband/wife†to the person. Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ Many thanks, Jemima From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺ Cheers Ian GARDENER From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed them as married as they had a civil marriage. then I listed that they had no children It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my findings on to you. Kindest regards, Rich From: Ian GARDENER ijg3...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married†name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Hi, I'm personally not a big fan of gay marriage but that's just me. As you point out, it is the world we live in and many of us are also recording today's information for future generations and sadly, Legacy is indeed failing to keep up in that regard. -Original Message- From: ArdenholmeGenealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 6:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi Rich I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female when you add the “husband/wife” to the person. Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ Many thanks, Jemima From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺ Cheers Ian GARDENER From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed them as married as they had a civil marriage. then I listed that they had no children It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my findings on to you. Kindest regards, Rich From: Ian GARDENER ijg3...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married” name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships.
I think it needs to default to normal lines as is, ie male husband female wife, that is what will be recorded in nearly every instance. The default is fine as is but an option to change gender would be nice. -Original Message- From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 8:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage and other non standard relationships. ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote: Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships were regarded at the norm. Perhaps Partner 1 and Partner 2 could be the normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc. This could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted. I know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included. There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged father. Something else I would like to see is the dropping of Unknown for the father where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a relationship with the child's father. Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it but allow customisation. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I think this may be a religious issue for Legacy. The LDS church is very much against gay-anything so they're hanging onto that view. Just a guess. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 2:08 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote: Hi, I'm personally not a big fan of gay marriage but that's just me. As you point out, it is the world we live in and many of us are also recording today's information for future generations and sadly, Legacy is indeed failing to keep up in that regard. -Original Message- From: ArdenholmeGenealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 6:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi Rich I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female when you add the “husband/wife†to the person. Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺ Many thanks, Jemima From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺ Cheers Ian GARDENER From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed them as married as they had a civil marriage. then I listed that they had no children It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my findings on to you. Kindest regards, Rich From: Ian GARDENERijg3...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married†name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Michelle, That is you perrogative if you choose not to list gay marriages. However, I strongly feel that it should be an option for those who choose otherwise. I am gay. My partner and I have been together for 39 years. I would love to be able to combine our genealogy into one file. On a side note, the new Heredis has chosen to use the title of Partner rather then Husband/Wife. Also their software does not refuse to let you choose two Ms or two Fs. They are not making a statement for or against gay unions. They are giving the user the ability to choose how to record their information. Regards, Ron Bernier -- Original Message -- From: Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 7/9/2012 5:51:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
For what it's worth, referring to genealogical standard's it matters not what I think. For accuracy, all genealogists should record information as it was, or is, in reality and *not* what we wish it to be. Therefore, we enter information into Legacy Family Tree accordingly, even it that involves workarounds. I agree with flexibility in all programs, however, in all fairness to Legacy Family Tree an all of its programmers, no program can possibly meet 100 percent of everyone's wishes. Charles -Original Message- From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Michelle, That is you perrogative if you choose not to list gay marriages. However, I strongly feel that it should be an option for those who choose otherwise. I am gay. My partner and I have been together for 39 years. I would love to be able to combine our genealogy into one file. On a side note, the new Heredis has chosen to use the title of Partner rather then Husband/Wife. Also their software does not refuse to let you choose two Ms or two Fs. They are not making a statement for or against gay unions. They are giving the user the ability to choose how to record their information. Regards, Ron Bernier -- Original Message -- From: Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 7/9/2012 5:51:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Actually if not specifically asked by this person, I wouldn't be either I'm totally non religious:) In this case there are no children I have now found out so really to me, I could leave this partner out except for being asked. Having said that though, wether you I approve or not, the fact is that the world is changing around us and not always for the better. If we are to record the facts and if government allow civil unions, then we need to be able to record it. In the short term I have adopted the marriage event rewording option and instead of husband and wife I've called them female and female, then marked no children and never married. However as this becomes more commonplace which it inevitably will, a better solution needs to be found. I can see where there may be a temptation to totally ignore such relationships at both user programmer level as there's a strong argument against normalising some behaviours. But as researchers we need to be careful not to overly bias our work. Alas in my research it seems that I constantly move from one brick wall to the next. I'm also one of these dreamers who hopes one of my descendants somewhere will pick up my research one day and I simply cannot bring myself to deliberately leave a brick wall for them. Ah for the good old days. -Original Message- From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 7:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
It is Legacy's prerogative and I respect that. I will point out that in some areas of the county - and I live in one - it is now a legal standard. Here its not even a civil union. It is recognized by the state as a marriage. As someone doing the family history, I believe I must remain true to the history. They will appear as marriages in my gen if they are considered marriages in the places where the ceremony was performed. Civil unions in others. Cheers - Jackie On 7/9/2012 9:19 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: It is Legacy's prerogative to not include this if it goes against their religious beliefs. If you need something to be able to record these types of relationships there are other options out there. Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I'm sorry but I don't understand your way of thinking. Are you telling us that if you don't like a FACT, then you are going to ignore it and not include it in your database? Your personal beliefs have nothing to do with recording genealogy FACTS! Sally In a message dated 7/9/2012 7:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lhite3...@juno.com writes: On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
During one of the discussions on this topic several years ago the programmers said that they just never considered same sex relationships. Their LDS beliefs had no bearing at the time. As they wrote Legacy many decisions on optimizing searches and other features in the code are based on heterosexual couples. Going back and redoing all that code to work with same sex unions would be a major undertaking that they were not prepared to do at the time. Since they keep their plans for new features secret until they are ready for testing I do not know if they have any plans to revise Legacy to accept same sex unions. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 09/07/2012 22:19, Michele Lewis wrote: It is Legacy's prerogative to not include this if it goes against their religious beliefs. If you need something to be able to record these types of relationships there are other options out there. Michele -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I have to agree. Facts are facts and opinions are opinions and most religious views are opinions. They don't belong in determining the construct of a database of facts. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:23 PM, salude...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry but I don't understand your way of thinking. Are you telling us that if you don't like a FACT, then you are going to ignore it and not include it in your database? Your personal beliefs have nothing to do with recording genealogy FACTS! Sally In a message dated 7/9/2012 7:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lhite3...@juno.com writes: On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Yes but we have paid for supported Legacy for a long time, they are also offering a commercial product, not a religious one. Saying go elsewhere is just a little trite. -Original Message- From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. It is Legacy's prerogative to not include this if it goes against their religious beliefs. If you need something to be able to record these types of relationships there are other options out there. Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Allowing an option to change a field label requires very little programming. Report options as I've just discovered can be handled on an ad hoc basis for each individual case by using the rewording override. My mate just did it in access (albeit without any nice user front end), in less than 15 minutes. The database rebuild didn't change it either. Food for thought. - For the record, I am not a supporter of gay unions or homosexuality being treated as a norm (that's my belief regardless of public opinion and yes I even have a gay friend although hetro myself), I am however strongly in favour of abiding by genealogical standards and rules of evidence where possible. The discussion is about the program being able to do the job it is sold for. Religion or personal belief has no part in the discussion. I'm going to submit the suggestion as others before me must have done and bow out of this thread which I started as a how to question, not a religious or political one. Everyone have a nice day and enjoy doing what makes you happy. Let your neighbour take care of themselves :) -Original Message- From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. During one of the discussions on this topic several years ago the programmers said that they just never considered same sex relationships. Their LDS beliefs had no bearing at the time. As they wrote Legacy many decisions on optimizing searches and other features in the code are based on heterosexual couples. Going back and redoing all that code to work with same sex unions would be a major undertaking that they were not prepared to do at the time. Since they keep their plans for new features secret until they are ready for testing I do not know if they have any plans to revise Legacy to accept same sex unions. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 09/07/2012 22:19, Michele Lewis wrote: It is Legacy's prerogative to not include this if it goes against their religious beliefs. If you need something to be able to record these types of relationships there are other options out there. Michele -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
If someone wants to record these things, they can work it out on their own. As for me and my house, we won't be recording this either. I don't use the LDS options that are provided but I don't complain that they are there either. This doesn't seem like something that needs to be discussed here. God bless, Ellen On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:23 PM, salude...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry but I don't understand your way of thinking. Are you telling us that if you don't like a FACT, then you are going to ignore it and not include it in your database? Your personal beliefs have nothing to do with recording genealogy FACTS! Sally In a message dated 7/9/2012 7:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lhite3...@juno.com writes: On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.” - Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 From: Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Which Diet Pills Work? Find Out Which Diet Pills Tested Highest for Weight Loss. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ffb689391f4e688c6ff2st54duc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Genealogy works with bloodlines. There are no bloodlines in same-sex relationships. If there are any children, then the sperm and egg donors should be noted if they are in your family, not the one giving birth if different from sperm and egg donor because that is where the bloodline comes from. If genealogy gets too caught up in these societal downturns, then we will one day be working with even more confusing things like beastiality and such. I know of one distant relative who doesn't want his prior marriages listed because his current wife will get upset. I'm listing them once I get the info anyway. There are some relatives who have had children from affairs that may be hearsay or are not publicly known and I won't be the one to publicize it. There are times when you need to use your head and follow logical requests and not follow others. God bless, Ellen On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote: Actually if not specifically asked by this person, I wouldn't be either I'm totally non religious:) In this case there are no children I have now found out so really to me, I could leave this partner out except for being asked. Having said that though, wether you I approve or not, the fact is that the world is changing around us and not always for the better. If we are to record the facts and if government allow civil unions, then we need to be able to record it. In the short term I have adopted the marriage event rewording option and instead of husband and wife I've called them female and female, then marked no children and never married. However as this becomes more commonplace which it inevitably will, a better solution needs to be found. I can see where there may be a temptation to totally ignore such relationships at both user programmer level as there's a strong argument against normalising some behaviours. But as researchers we need to be careful not to overly bias our work. Alas in my research it seems that I constantly move from one brick wall to the next. I'm also one of these dreamers who hopes one of my descendants somewhere will pick up my research one day and I simply cannot bring myself to deliberately leave a brick wall for them. Ah for the good old days. -Original Message- From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 7:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Which Diet Pills Work? Find Out Which Diet Pills Tested Highest for Weight Loss. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ffb689391f4e688c6ff2st54duc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
...and now I think I.'ll go build my bombshelterMy experience with this topic is that the issue needs to be how to RECORD the information...not whether you agree with the circumstancesSeems like it has been THOROUGHLY discussed ...yet againNEXT TOPIC PULEASE. ---Original Message--- From: Darlene Don Hicks Date: 07/09/12 23:17:10 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.” - Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 From: Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Which Diet Pills Work? Find Out Which Diet Pills Tested Highest for Weight Loss. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ffb689391f4e688c6ff2st54duc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
This discussion just proves that you can't trust anyone elses database. You must find and verify the facts yourself. If my grandpa were hanged as a horse thief should I omit that fact because I don't like it? Sally In a message dated 7/9/2012 11:41:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, familyt...@wightman.ca writes: ...and now I think I.'ll go build my bombshelterMy experience with this topic is that the issue needs to be how to RECORD the information...not whether you agree with the circumstancesSeems like it has been THOROUGHLY discussed ...yet againNEXT TOPIC PULEASE. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
EXCACTLY I'm with you and Legacy is a Family Tree program active marketed as being the tool for genealogy and family history, not a thoroughbred bloodline database. Can't see how you accurately do family history if the program will not accept the facts. I decry the gay lifestyle but it IS A FACT. I didn't like Hiroshima or Negasaki either but I don't refuse to acknowledge it because I don't like it. If Legacy is to be a religious research tool then so be it but I've never seen it marketed as such. Seems we have genealogists family historians in one corner and religious tracers of bloodlines in the other. What will be will be. BTW Thanks for the tip Rita in South Carolina, yours was one of the few replies that actually dealt with the question and I've adopted your suggestion. I suppose I could always relabel it to unacceptable fact (tongue in ckeek)..: -Original Message- From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws] Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 1:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Which Diet Pills Work? Find Out Which Diet Pills Tested Highest for Weight Loss. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ffb689391f4e688c6ff2st54duc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
It is about blood lines as when two people marry the child of this marriage has the blood of both and therefore a blood line. The person of the couple that is your aunt or uncle is a direct bloodline being siblings to your parent. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.” - Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Which Diet Pills Work? Find Out Which Diet Pills Tested Highest for Weight Loss. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ffb689391f4e688c6ff2st54duc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Using THAT criteria, I assume that you exclude any adopted children since they have neither parent's bloodline...and using THAT criteria then Legacy IS a genealogy program. Many others use it as a family history program. It just depends how much flesh you want to put on the bones. I STILL say that this discussion has run its course and is rapidly descending to a personal bias levelLet's move on ---Original Message--- From: Darlene Don Hicks Date: 07/10/12 00:26:16 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. It is about blood lines as when two people marry the child of this marriage has the blood of both and therefore a blood line. The person of the couple that is your aunt or uncle is a direct bloodline being siblings to your parent. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.” - Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file he is listed as never married. I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this one). Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%. Lloyd Which Diet Pills Work? Find Out Which Diet Pills Tested Highest for Weight Loss. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ffb689391f4e688c6ff2st54duc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 9:48 PM, familytree wrote: Using THAT criteria, I assume that you exclude any adopted children since they have neither parent's bloodline...and using THAT criteria then Legacy IS a genealogy program. Many others use it as a family history program. It just depends how much flesh you want to put on the bones. I STILL say that this discussion has run its course and is rapidly descending to a personal bias levelLet's move on /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Darlene Don Hicks mailto:darca...@yahoo.com /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 00:26:16 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. It is about blood lines as when two people marry the child of this marriage has the blood of both and therefore a blood line. The person of the couple that is your aunt or uncle is a direct bloodline being siblings to your parent. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* JLB j...@jgen.ws *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene Don Hicks wrote: My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex. I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option, it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer. Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.†- Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 *From:* Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com mailto:lhite3...@juno.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious freaks
Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I KNOW I am committing one of the lists unpardonable sins by hijacking a thread but really DO feel the previous topic had surpassed its useful life.. I still think that's a decision you make at the outsetare you doing family history or genealogy...although I admit that I have changed my mind sometimes when the family history becomes particularly intriguing. I also tend to change my mind on the subject when I find many intermarriages between familiesthen I just CAN'T resist the temptation to find out more ..It is family history AND genealogy in my case...and I rather enjoy the sounds of the skeletons hanging in the closet ---Original Message--- From: JLB Date: 07/10/12 00:58:25 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different Than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Family history or genealogy (was Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
I disagree that it's your purview to decide when a thread should end. I don't mind that you changed the title of it though. It's possible the Legacy staff would find this discussion quite useful in making their own determinations. I've found it quite interesting although nauseating at times as I'm not on the 'religious' side whatsoever. And, Ian, there's no such thing as a 'gay lifestyle' just homosexual or other-sexual people. Genealogy or family history. I hadn't thought about it that way before. So I guess 'genealogy' means I should get busy recording the babies born through rape. (Pure bloodlines! biological on at least one side ... ) And 'family history' means picking and choosing what you please? OK now I'm totally confused. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 7/9/2012 10:24 PM, familytree wrote: I KNOW I am committing one of the lists unpardonable sins by hijacking a thread but really DO feel the previous topic had surpassed its useful life.. I still think that's a decision you make at the outsetare you doing family history or genealogy...although I admit that I have changed my mind sometimes when the family history becomes particularly intriguing. I also tend to change my mind on the subject when I find many intermarriages between familiesthen I just CAN'T resist the temptation to find out more...It is family history AND genealogy in my case...and I rather enjoy the sounds of the skeletons hanging in the closet /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ JLB mailto:j...@jgen.ws /*Date:*/ 07/10/12 00:58:25 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different Than how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not biological. Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 'purity' of my bloodlines? --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Hi, I've come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I'm not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her married name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there's no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed them as married as they had a civil marriage. then I listed that they had no children It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my findings on to you. Kindest regards, Rich From: Ian GARDENER ijg3...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married” name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage.
There is no way you can create a union between two people of the same sex in Legacy. Someone did come up with a workaround some time ago, but I can’t remember what it was – a quick search of the archives has just shown me that the link to the workaround explanation is no longer available. (It was a link to a member’s site, not a Legacy workaround.) It involved using Access, I know that. You can change the labels used on a case by case basis to something gender neutral, or whatever the couple call themselves, but Legacy will still “see” one person as male, and one as female. I ‘think’ this would make reports read accurately because nowhere in reports does it say ‘this person is a male’ or ‘Jane married a male called Mary’ etc. You can certainly put a female name in the “male” spot – Legacy doesn’t know that Mary isn’t a male name. Second question – surnames. You could add your cousin under her birth name, and then put her “acquired” name as an AKA. I would also add a “change of name” event to explain when and why it happened. If you have Legacy set to add married names her “married” name will appear in reports. As with all females in Legacy, they should be entered with their maiden (birth) name and you have to understand that in reports the name doesn’t suddenly change to the married name any time. But it is recorded in reports. Alternatively, if she was more commonly known by her “acquired” name before she joined with her partner you could enter her with that name, and still add a change of name event to explain the circumstances. I did this with my late first husband – I only ever knew him by his legally changed surname, that became my surname and is the surname of our daughter, so he is recorded in Legacy under that name with a change of name event to explain. Cheers Jan From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 03:54 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex marriage. Hi, I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family tree, she is openly gay would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is this best achieved in Legacy? If I input a spouse it demands that it be male. They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not sure yet). Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired surname from a very young age her “married” name. Is there any way to order these correctly? Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname. Cheers Ian GARDENER _ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
