RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
I would prefer a variation of Tony's suggestion. The master-file seems an excellent idea but I would not want the program to pick the appropriate long or short name depending on the date, since I want to present all location names in modern form to be most meaningful to ordinary folk viewing my trees, with an aka button to see other names if they wish. So I would like to add to Tony's suggestion a global choice in OptionsCustomizeLocations to show all location names as either the name in the master list or the name at the event Date. John -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: 08 February 2012 23:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:14:16 -0800 Paula Ryburn wrote: Tony, did you submit the Location AKA suggestion? or something different? --Paula in Texas My suggestion was called Date-linked location names. The basic idea was to have a Location master file (or table) with all the tags, Latitude and longitude data etc. and a chain of Long-name/short-name pairs which have a to date and their own preposition. If this is implemented we can have a single location, but have the short and long names varying by date, so Location: The generic name for the location to 1837: The, oldest, long, name: a short name for this to 31 mar 1957: A, Different, Long, Name: Another short name to: The, current, long, name: the current short name. To 1837 implies up to and including 31 Dec 1837. A blank date implies to the current date. The Location record would have a location name which may, or may not, be in CSV format. I also suggested that there be a new [Location] for sentence definitions. Obviously, the program would pick the appropriate long or short name depending on the date, defaulting to the location name if either there was no date in the event or if the date was out of range (if I omitted the last line above and the date was after 31 Mar 1957) Seems to meet all criteria, I think? Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Tony, Please do continue with your efforts to get this suggestion accepted. It is not often that we see one which, in my option at least, would be of great value. I wish you every success with it. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I have used the latest version of Legacy (142) to send my suggestion regarding date-linked locations. I didn't get the usual automated reply, so I left it overnight and when nothing had happened, I repeated the process with the same non-outcome. Could someone from support let me know whether they have received the suggestions. If not, it may be a bug with 142 and I'll send it directly to supp...@leg... I don't want to keep sending it if you have already received it. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
A benefit of suggesting Location AKA's is that Legacy already has a design for doing AKA's - might get implemented more quickly (or at all). Perhaps if the date-linked suggestion builds on the AKA design? (It would be nice if we could read the suggestion and provide our feedback/input.) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, February 8, 2012 3:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Please do continue with your efforts to get this suggestion accepted. It is not often that we see one which, in my option at least, would be of great value. I wish you every success with it. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I have used the latest version of Legacy (142) to send my suggestion regarding date-linked locations. I didn't get the usual automated reply, so I left it overnight and when nothing had happened, I repeated the process with the same non-outcome. Could someone from support let me know whether they have received the suggestions. If not, it may be a bug with 142 and I'll send it directly to supp...@leg... I don't want to keep sending it if you have already received it. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
No, that's certainly not harsh, but the big reason I'm concerned about a huge number of locations in our master list is that we might have over 100,000 Merriam descendants and our goal is to get as many of them into one database as we possibly can. We have a long ways to go because we are only at 14,000 or so. Having multiple names for the same locations would make that difficult to wade through, that's all. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/7/2012 10:08 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Hopefully, I will not sound too harsh, but my genealogical research goals do not include anything about the size of my Location list. I think the Location AKA could work just like the Name AKA does, including how it looks in lists. If you want to use AKA's, you want to see them, too. And thinking a bit on this particular case: All the old names for the location would have the same present day AKA, so that's really only adding one. (well, at least that's how I would use it) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams *From:* Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Sun, February 5, 2012 2:27:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Yes, Michele, but you don't have to mess up your master location list to do that. You can accomplish the same thing with the note fields adjacent to location. Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be convinced to put seven different location names for the exact same spot on the map when the note field will work for that. It is time for the gedcom standard to be updated to match computer technology. Both the aka location and latititde/longitude ideas seem worthy of consideration. Thanks for listening. Jerry in Michigan cranberryf...@cobridge.tv mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Expressing them as they were should make you think to check and see if indeed the town in question was in that county or even that state at the time in question. This is one of those brick wall tips, at least in the US. Knowing the county and state helps you know where to look for records--especially important for amateurs (like me) to understand, imho. You don't want to say the birth record was not found, when in reality you were looking in the wrong place for it. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: John Clifford leg...@johnclifford.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 1:13:43 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Thanks Jenny, I understand that is where the rules have come from. But I think the situation has changed with the arrival of the Internet and I would guess that most people using Legacy are now amateurs working on their own family trees who do not particularly want to be taken seriously by experts but to do a good job for their families and descendants. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Yes, I agree: use standardized spellings. Can add other spellings in the Notes. Or if you transcribe into source citation, then show what was actually written. I think the main point of the thread had more to do with the county change you mentioned. Grinnem was in county A for a long time, but then it became part of county B. If county B is where it is now, the researcher needs to know when it moved from county A to B, so they can look in county A's archives before that year. This is a key point, I think. Thanks, Bjorn, for sharing -- I love reading about genealogical challenges outside the US--! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Bjørn K Nilssen b...@bknilssen.no To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:21:01 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations På Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:30:27 +0100, skrev cranberryf...@cobridge.tv: You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) If only it was that simple.. In my mothers family a lot of ancestors came from the same county (kommune), which in 1964 merged with another county. Before 1964 it was written Grindum, Grinnum, Grinnums, Grinnem, Grindem, Grindems, Grindheim, Bjelland og Grindum, Bj. pr.gj. - Grinnums and so on in many more variations. And these variations were not really chronoligally dependent, but were written in several variations the same year, depending on who was writing. Say you have in a census, a childs birth place is written as Grindum, and in the church book from the same year the place is called Grinnem, what should you write? If you save the source text you'll have the place name as written saved anyway, but in the birthplace field I think it is much better to use a standardized spelling. As John also mentioned, Internet has made a difference, not to mention computers. For searching, reports etc it is very useful to have a uniform spelling in the location field, and as long as the original spelling is stored (preferably in an AKA field) what's wrong with that? I usually write Grindheim, Audnedal (which is the name of the new merged kommune/county), Vest-Agder (fylke/state?). -- Bjørn K Nilssen - b...@bknilssen.no - 3D and panoramas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Hopefully, I will not sound too harsh, but my genealogical research goals do not include anything about the size of my Location list. I think the Location AKA could work just like the Name AKA does, including how it looks in lists. If you want to use AKA's, you want to see them, too. And thinking a bit on this particular case: All the old names for the location would have the same present day AKA, so that's really only adding one. (well, at least that's how I would use it) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:27:30 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Yes, Michele, but you don't have to mess up your master location list to do that. You can accomplish the same thing with the note fields adjacent to location. Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be convinced to put seven different location names for the exact same spot on the map when the note field will work for that. It is time for the gedcom standard to be updated to match computer technology. Both the aka location and latititde/longitude ideas seem worthy of consideration. Thanks for listening. Jerry in Michigan cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Tony, did you submit the Location AKA suggestion? or something different? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Mon, February 6, 2012 10:09:21 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I have used the latest version of Legacy (142) to send my suggestion regarding date-linked locations. I didn't get the usual automated reply, so I left it overnight and when nothing had happened, I repeated the process with the same non-outcome. Could someone from support let me know whether they have received the suggestions. If not, it may be a bug with 142 and I'll send it directly to supp...@leg... I don't want to keep sending it if you have already received it. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Due to the volume of suggestions received, not all of them are acknowledged, but they're reviewed and passed on to the programmers. I may contact the submitter for further clarification or to explain how you can already do what they're suggesting... Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com wrote: I have used the latest version of Legacy (142) to send my suggestion regarding date-linked locations. I didn't get the usual automated reply, so I left it overnight and when nothing had happened, I repeated the process with the same non-outcome. Could someone from support let me know whether they have received the suggestions. If not, it may be a bug with 142 and I'll send it directly to supp...@leg... I don't want to keep sending it if you have already received it. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Why not the automated reply though. That is given if anyone looks at it or not ? Has been my experience until I rejected *@legacy... domain at the server. Tim Rosenlof On 2/7/2012 9:26 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: Due to the volume of suggestions received, not all of them are acknowledged, but they're reviewed and passed on to the programmers. I may contact the submitter for further clarification or to explain how you can already do what they're suggesting... Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Tony Rolfegeneal...@gillandtony.com wrote: I have used the latest version of Legacy (142) to send my suggestion regarding date-linked locations. I didn't get the usual automated reply, so I left it overnight and when nothing had happened, I repeated the process with the same non-outcome. Could someone from support let me know whether they have received the suggestions. If not, it may be a bug with 142 and I'll send it directly to supp...@leg... I don't want to keep sending it if you have already received it. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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We had better leave it there Ron, but I think you mis-spelt facts as rants. John -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 23:05 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, I do not bother with rants!!! You are simply haven't got it. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 10:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, not only do you not read messages carefully, you don’t seem to look at the findmypast screens which you are pontificating about. 1. You say that the findmypast search is based on the Registration District but on the Basic search screen you can search by birth place, place of residence and COUNTY but NOT by registration district. It is only the Advanced search screen (which I rarely use, because I have not found it of much help) that you can also search by RD, civil parish, etc (etc depending on the census year). Incidentally the search of a database is based on one or more indexes. 2. The search list then takes you to the Household Transcription - which shows some of the reference numbers (but not Enumeration District or Schedule number unfortunately except for 1911), Registration District, Civil Parish, Address and COUNTY. Your reference to searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire in the 1851 census exactly proves my point - none found by Findmypast and 5 by Ancestry. Did you not try the Ancestry search before responding? By location I do not mean RD, I mean place, as defined (today) by geo-code. John -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 21:20 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, The only person who never misunderstands or never makes a mistake is the one who usually says nothing, or has tunnel vision. When I do I will admit it, but not in this case. However, I think that we are talking at cross purposes. I believe that what you call the Location is what I would call the Registration District. The search in FMP is based on the latter. I usually find it best when looking for returns near a boundary not to enter a county ie. leave it set to any. Searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, will not be found in 1851 by searching for that location, because the Registration District is Stockton, County Durham. Before searching any county I always check the Registration Districts. I am not too happy with this way of searching, myself, although it does have advantages for those of us who carry out One-Name Studies, but my point is that on FMP's page for a family result it gives the Registration details, the Location has to be obtained from the Image - I usually do this with Ancestry as well btw. , because I do not wish to reply on somebody else's interpretation, which one is advised to do anyhow. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk. -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very carefully before replying. I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate. I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the Search facility as well. For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire, you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to Oxfordshire. Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you 126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30. You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form this means that I do know where to find an address on a census page. In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can also click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two versions of the address. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, Firstly, Registration
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Where does the should come from? I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to understand as possible. In particular: 1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name, or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless 2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you use old names 3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event name is different. 4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail and will still be documented. Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some areas, like country names. I was reading recently about a place in Central Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I think. Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very useful and I will add a request. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event. You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master Location List or in the notes for the event Location Notes can be included in the Location Index in a report. I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around. In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not whole countries, thankfully! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote: This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway. When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the location at the time of the event? My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a Germany. Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. Your thoughts would be appreciated Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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And the two have a different way of expressing them - so which would be used? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On 2012/02/05 04:48, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch could collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early place (KY/WV/VA). With the inherent inaccuracies of both Bing and Google, that's not really feasible. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of findmypast. Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form. Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I have received no reply. Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they dont appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for the display. Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in reports. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 05/02/2012 12:50, John Clifford wrote: Where does the should come from? Genealogy, like so many other activities, has acquired various rules for best practice which have been developed by expert and professional users over the years so that there is some sort of standardization and agreement about how best to present information. That doesn't mean to say that everyone has to follow such rules slavishly if they choose not to do so. But those who want to be taken seriously by experts and professionals, or who aspire to be experts or professionals themselves will attempt to do things as they should be done. So to expand on what Sherry wrote, Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event, but you are free to do it differently if you so choose. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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John, Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be found by/at the GRO. Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom right of the image. I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice. Ron Ferguson www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of findmypast. Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form. Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I have received no reply. Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for the display. Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in reports. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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You can't even guarantee that the enumerator for the Census form had the administration county identified correctly. For UK 1891 Censuses you can find St.Pancras in either Middlesex or London, the latter being correct. Sometimes it is even left blank. I have found that the UK FreeBMD website gives good detail on the relationship between Parishes and Registration Districts. Alan -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be found by/at the GRO. Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom right of the image. I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice. Ron Ferguson www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of findmypast. Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form. Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I have received no reply. Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for the display. Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in reports. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online
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By using the lat/long converter. Anyway, for many locations, neither Bing nor Google has them. I always use another mapping program to find them. That way is especially useful because I can find the lat/long or a house, cemetery plot, etc. CE From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:57:36 + And the two have a different way of expressing them - so which would be used? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On 2012/02/05 04:48, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch could collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early place (KY/WV/VA). With the inherent inaccuracies of both Bing and Google, that's not really feasible. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very carefully before replying. I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate. I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the Search facility as well. For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire, you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to Oxfordshire. Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you 126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30. You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form this means that I do know where to find an address on a census page. In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can also click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two versions of the address. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be found by/at the GRO. Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom right of the image. I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice. Ron Ferguson www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of findmypast. Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form. Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I have received no reply. Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now
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Thanks Jenny, I understand that is where the rules have come from. But I think the situation has changed with the arrival of the Internet and I would guess that most people using Legacy are now amateurs working on their own family trees who do not particularly want to be taken seriously by experts but to do a good job for their families and descendants. This may need a different set of standards as to how best to present information and Legacy support staff may need to alter their advice to Locations should always be entered in the form that will be most informative to the expected viewer of your family tree but you are free to use the names as they were at the time of the event for antiquarian or professional purposes. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 14:07 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On 05/02/2012 12:50, John Clifford wrote: Where does the should come from? Genealogy, like so many other activities, has acquired various rules for best practice which have been developed by expert and professional users over the years so that there is some sort of standardization and agreement about how best to present information. That doesn't mean to say that everyone has to follow such rules slavishly if they choose not to do so. But those who want to be taken seriously by experts and professionals, or who aspire to be experts or professionals themselves will attempt to do things as they should be done. So to expand on what Sherry wrote, Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event, but you are free to do it differently if you so choose. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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The beauty of flexible programmes like Legacy enables multiple data entry preferences to suit a wide range of users. The trick is knowing the end use of the data from the beginning. It would also help if our forebears lived and died in places that fitted modern naming conventions, wars never happened and politicians refrained from tinkering with boundaries and place names. Sent from my iPod Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Sounds like the aka location idea would be great, but only if it could be kept separate and not lumped in with the master locations list, unless by selection perhaps. Jerry John Clifford leg...@johnclifford.me.uk wrote: Where does the should come from? I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to understand as possible. In particular: 1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name, or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless 2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you use old names 3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event name is different. 4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail and will still be documented. Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some areas, like country names. I was reading recently about a place in Central Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I think. Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very useful and I will add a request. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event. You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master Location List or in the notes for the event Location Notes can be included in the Location Index in a report. I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around. In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not whole countries, thankfully! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote: This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway. When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the location at the time of the event? My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a Germany. Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. Your thoughts would be appreciated Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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På Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:30:27 +0100, skrev cranberryf...@cobridge.tv: You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) If only it was that simple.. In my mothers family a lot of ancestors came from the same county (kommune), which in 1964 merged with another county. Before 1964 it was written Grindum, Grinnum, Grinnums, Grinnem, Grindem, Grindems, Grindheim, Bjelland og Grindum, Bj. pr.gj. - Grinnums and so on in many more variations. And these variations were not really chronoligally dependent, but were written in several variations the same year, depending on who was writing. Say you have in a census, a childs birth place is written as Grindum, and in the church book from the same year the place is called Grinnem, what should you write? If you save the source text you'll have the place name as written saved anyway, but in the birthplace field I think it is much better to use a standardized spelling. As John also mentioned, Internet has made a difference, not to mention computers. For searching, reports etc it is very useful to have a uniform spelling in the location field, and as long as the original spelling is stored (preferably in an AKA field) what's wrong with that? I usually write Grindheim, Audnedal (which is the name of the new merged kommune/county), Vest-Agder (fylke/state?). -- Bjørn K Nilssen - b...@bknilssen.no - 3D and panoramas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Yes, Michele, but you don't have to mess up your master location list to do that. You can accomplish the same thing with the note fields adjacent to location. Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be convinced to put seven different location names for the exact same spot on the map when the note field will work for that. It is time for the gedcom standard to be updated to match computer technology. Both the aka location and latititde/longitude ideas seem worthy of consideration. Thanks for listening. Jerry in Michigan cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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John, The only person who never misunderstands or never makes a mistake is the one who usually says nothing, or has tunnel vision. When I do I will admit it, but not in this case. However, I think that we are talking at cross purposes. I believe that what you call the Location is what I would call the Registration District. The search in FMP is based on the latter. I usually find it best when looking for returns near a boundary not to enter a county ie. leave it set to any. Searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, will not be found in 1851 by searching for that location, because the Registration District is Stockton, County Durham. Before searching any county I always check the Registration Districts. I am not too happy with this way of searching, myself, although it does have advantages for those of us who carry out One-Name Studies, but my point is that on FMP's page for a family result it gives the Registration details, the Location has to be obtained from the Image - I usually do this with Ancestry as well btw. , because I do not wish to reply on somebody else's interpretation, which one is advised to do anyhow. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk. -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very carefully before replying. I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate. I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the Search facility as well. For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire, you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to Oxfordshire. Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you 126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30. You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form this means that I do know where to find an address on a census page. In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can also click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two versions of the address. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be found by/at the GRO. Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom right of the image. I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice. Ron Ferguson www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of findmypast. Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form. Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I have received no reply. Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Which country's censuses
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On 2012/02/05 19:38, Alan Pereira wrote: I have found that the UK FreeBMD website gives good detail on the relationship between Parishes and Registration Districts. If you examine the source of that information, you will find that it comes courtesy of the GENUKI site, not from FreeBMD directly :-) After all, why keep a dog and bark yourself? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 2/5/2012 5:50 AM, John Clifford wrote: Where does the should come from? I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to understand as possible. In particular: 1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name, or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless Akron, Michigan in 1800 = Wayne County Akron, Michigan in 1822 = Sanilac County Akron, Michigan in 1850 = Tuscola County Geneva, Oregon in 1843 = Champoeg County Geneva, Oregon in 1850 = Lyne County Geneva, Oregon in 1900 = Crook County Geneva, Oregon in 1975 = Jefferson County If Great Grandpa lived in Geneva Champoeg County Oregon in 1843, then one was to use the master location list, then looks at Geneva Oregon, it will show Jefferson as the County. What County did good ol Great Grandpa live in ? 2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you use old names 3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event name is different. 4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail and will still be documented. I guess I am a geek. I use when the event took place historically. I can't agree more with what 'Jenny Benson' wrote earlier. I would quote it, but one can certainly read it again. 7:07am. Same as Sherry. She also posted that she uses the time of the event. Have a good day, Tim Rosenlof Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some areas, like country names. I was reading recently about a place in Central Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I think. Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very useful and I will add a request. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event. You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master Location List or in the notes for the event Location Notes can be included in the Location Index in a report. I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around. In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not whole countries, thankfully! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoadsrhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote: This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway. When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the location at the time of the event? My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a Germany. Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. Your thoughts would be appreciated Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Mike, I go to GENUKI direct and I agree that it is an excellent resource. As far as I know it is the only site for *all* the Registration Districts, but the quality does seem to vary from county to county. It should also be remembered that these districts vary over time, and for 1851 Family Search is excellent. See: http://maps.familysearch.org/ Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On 2012/02/05 19:38, Alan Pereira wrote: I have found that the UK FreeBMD website gives good detail on the relationship between Parishes and Registration Districts. If you examine the source of that information, you will find that it comes courtesy of the GENUKI site, not from FreeBMD directly :-) After all, why keep a dog and bark yourself? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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John, I do not bother with rants!!! You are simply haven't got it. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 10:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, not only do you not read messages carefully, you don’t seem to look at the findmypast screens which you are pontificating about. 1. You say that the findmypast search is based on the Registration District but on the Basic search screen you can search by birth place, place of residence and COUNTY but NOT by registration district. It is only the Advanced search screen (which I rarely use, because I have not found it of much help) that you can also search by RD, civil parish, etc (etc depending on the census year). Incidentally the search of a database is based on one or more indexes. 2. The search list then takes you to the Household Transcription - which shows some of the reference numbers (but not Enumeration District or Schedule number unfortunately except for 1911), Registration District, Civil Parish, Address and COUNTY. Your reference to searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire in the 1851 census exactly proves my point - none found by Findmypast and 5 by Ancestry. Did you not try the Ancestry search before responding? By location I do not mean RD, I mean place, as defined (today) by geo-code. John -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 21:20 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, The only person who never misunderstands or never makes a mistake is the one who usually says nothing, or has tunnel vision. When I do I will admit it, but not in this case. However, I think that we are talking at cross purposes. I believe that what you call the Location is what I would call the Registration District. The search in FMP is based on the latter. I usually find it best when looking for returns near a boundary not to enter a county ie. leave it set to any. Searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, will not be found in 1851 by searching for that location, because the Registration District is Stockton, County Durham. Before searching any county I always check the Registration Districts. I am not too happy with this way of searching, myself, although it does have advantages for those of us who carry out One-Name Studies, but my point is that on FMP's page for a family result it gives the Registration details, the Location has to be obtained from the Image - I usually do this with Ancestry as well btw. , because I do not wish to reply on somebody else's interpretation, which one is advised to do anyhow. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk. -Original Message- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very carefully before replying. I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate. I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the Search facility as well. For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire, you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to Oxfordshire. Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you 126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30. You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form this means that I do know where to find an address on a census page. In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can also click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two versions of the address. John Clifford -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be found by/at the GRO. Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page
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This is a semi-problem, but each of us must choose if we care, and then which to use. I may say what I choose, but not force the issue.Rich From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 4:57 AM And the two have a different way of expressing them - so which would be used? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On 2012/02/05 04:48, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch could collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early place (KY/WV/VA). With the inherent inaccuracies of both Bing and Google, that's not really feasible. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Tony, Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for the display. Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in reports. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Submit a suggestion! -Original Message- From: Bjørn K Nilssen [mailto:b...@bknilssen.no] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:36 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Submit a suggestion! -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bj�rn K Nilssen I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for the display. Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in reports. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I would second the Location AKA suggestion! ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Bjørn K Nilssen b...@bknilssen.no To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 8:36:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
One of you with this marvelous idea, be sure to enter this as a suggestion to Legacy! CE Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 08:11:54 -0800 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com I would second the Location AKA suggestion! ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Bjørn K Nilssen b...@bknilssen.no To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 8:36:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch could collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early place (KY/WV/VA). Rich in LA CA --- On Sat, 2/4/12, M. Brenzel brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: M. Brenzel brenze...@roadrunner.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 4:31 AM Submit a suggestion! -Original Message- From: Bjørn K Nilssen [mailto:b...@bknilssen.no] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:36 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event. You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master Location List or in the notes for the event Location Notes can be included in the Location Index in a report. I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around. In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not whole countries, thankfully! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote: This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go’s anyway. When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the location at the time of the event? My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a Germany. Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. Your thoughts would be appreciated Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
I would use the name at the time of the event. I would also make a note telling it today's name. Sent from my Kindle Fire _ From: Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net Sent: Fri Feb 03 12:46:42 PST 2012 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go’s anyway. When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the location at the time of the event? My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a Germany. Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. Your thoughts would be appreciated Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
This brings up another question. Does AniMap include Europe as well as US? Barb - Original Message - From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event. You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master Location List or in the notes for the event Location Notes can be included in the Location Index in a report. I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around. In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not whole countries, thankfully! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote: This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go’s anyway. When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the location at the time of the event? My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a Germany. Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. Your thoughts would be appreciated Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
AniMap is only for the United States. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 03/02/2012 5:42 PM, Barbara wrote: This brings up another question. Does AniMap include Europe as well as US? Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Barbara, Geoff has mentioned periodically about the use of Centennia. http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/centennia/ Kind Regards Mark Lang -Original Message- From: Barbara [mailto:bschwart...@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2012 9:12 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations This brings up another question. Does AniMap include Europe as well as US? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. In this case I was lucky that a short history existed for this small town and I was able to get it translated. Ray Rhoads Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
