Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again
On 12/10/2013 1:20 AM, Wendy Howard wrote: Perhaps a list or table could be supplied showing all of these existing shortcuts? What is supplied in the Help is very short. Wendy Help index tab enter keyboard. This brings up 66 lines of keyboard shortcuts already provided to you. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again
The list is short because that's all there is. Joseph Leavitt On 12/9/2013 10:20 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Perhaps a list or table could be supplied showing all of these existing shortcuts? What is supplied in the Help is very short. Wendy Sherry/Support said the following on 10/12/2013 6:40 p.m.: Not all keyboard shortcuts are gone. The programmer told us We had to abandon all the one- and two-letter commands because we couldn't trap those keys anymore due to the ribbon control. All shortcuts are now either F-keys or Ctrl- or Alt-keys. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Dee Whitingdeema...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the thread and must add that the removal of the keyboard shortcuts has killed my desire to buy the new version. I had it in my cart, along with all the new CDs, but backed off when I tried the free version and experienced this loss. I use keyboard shortcuts all the time and would encourage Legacy to add them back, whether the same or different. I am a genealogy teacher and have always encouraged my students to buy Legacy. I can’t count how many have done so. I cannot endorse the new version. We all know that the Office ribbon has two- and three-letter keyboard shortcuts. Please do the same for Legacy power users! A ribbon is not modern if it has the look but not the features. Hoping for an update, Dee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again--adding unlinked female
On 12/10/2013 10:05 AM, Dee Whiting wrote: From Sherry: Not all keyboard shortcuts are gone. The programmer told us We had to abandon all the one- and two-letter commands because we couldn't trap those keys anymore due to the ribbon control. All shortcuts are now either F-keys or Ctrl- or Alt-keys. I have seen the list in the Help, but here is one I didn’t notice. Can you please tell me how to add a new, unlinked female, for example, using keyboard shortcuts? From the help file: CTRL + N Add a New, Unlinked Person. (On the Legacy Home tab, this shortcut key opens the Home contents in a separate browser window.) -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again--adding unlinked female
On 10/12/2013 15:05, Dee Whiting wrote: I have seen the list in the Help, but here is one I didn’t notice. Can you please tell me how to add a new, unlinked female, for example, using keyboard shortcuts? Ctrl+N - it's on the list in Help. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again
Robert: excellent idea … Legacy: could such be added? Dee: Keyboard shortcuts in newer MS products, incl. Office, are now limited to those w/ Alt-, Ctrl-, and F- Keys. Legacy has the choice of not following MS standards and having unintended consequences / conflicts, or following them. From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 10:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again Even better, a list that shows OLD SHORTCUT and NEW SHORTCUT (with n/a in the NEW SHORTCUT column for ones that no longer work) and what they do. This should actually also be included in the HELP so it is available for us long-term. I'm sure there will be some old non-working shortcuts that I will stumble upon weeks or months from now that I wonder why isn't this working. Having the old and new (and gone) all included in the list would allow me to explain the non-functioning shortcut (and would avoid me thinking I was going crazy!) Thanks, Bob snip On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Dee Whiting mailto:deema...@gmail.com deema...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the thread and must add that the removal of the keyboard shortcuts has killed my desire to buy the new version. I had it in my cart, along with all the new CDs, but backed off when I tried the free version and experienced this loss. I use keyboard shortcuts all the time and would encourage Legacy to add them back, whether the same or different. I am a genealogy teacher and have always encouraged my students to buy Legacy. I can’t count how many have done so. I cannot endorse the new version. We all know that the Office ribbon has two- and three-letter keyboard shortcuts. Please do the same for Legacy power users! A ribbon is not modern if it has the look but not the features. Hoping for an update, Dee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again
Not all keyboard shortcuts are gone. The programmer told us We had to abandon all the one- and two-letter commands because we couldn't trap those keys anymore due to the ribbon control. All shortcuts are now either F-keys or Ctrl- or Alt-keys. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Dee Whiting deema...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the thread and must add that the removal of the keyboard shortcuts has killed my desire to buy the new version. I had it in my cart, along with all the new CDs, but backed off when I tried the free version and experienced this loss. I use keyboard shortcuts all the time and would encourage Legacy to add them back, whether the same or different. I am a genealogy teacher and have always encouraged my students to buy Legacy. I can’t count how many have done so. I cannot endorse the new version. We all know that the Office ribbon has two- and three-letter keyboard shortcuts. Please do the same for Legacy power users! A ribbon is not modern if it has the look but not the features. Hoping for an update, Dee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again
Perhaps a list or table could be supplied showing all of these existing shortcuts? What is supplied in the Help is very short. Wendy Sherry/Support said the following on 10/12/2013 6:40 p.m.: Not all keyboard shortcuts are gone. The programmer told us We had to abandon all the one- and two-letter commands because we couldn't trap those keys anymore due to the ribbon control. All shortcuts are now either F-keys or Ctrl- or Alt-keys. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Dee Whiting deema...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the thread and must add that the removal of the keyboard shortcuts has killed my desire to buy the new version. I had it in my cart, along with all the new CDs, but backed off when I tried the free version and experienced this loss. I use keyboard shortcuts all the time and would encourage Legacy to add them back, whether the same or different. I am a genealogy teacher and have always encouraged my students to buy Legacy. I can’t count how many have done so. I cannot endorse the new version. We all know that the Office ribbon has two- and three-letter keyboard shortcuts. Please do the same for Legacy power users! A ribbon is not modern if it has the look but not the features. Hoping for an update, Dee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again
Even better, a list that shows OLD SHORTCUT and NEW SHORTCUT (with n/a in the NEW SHORTCUT column for ones that no longer work) and what they do. This should actually also be included in the HELP so it is available for us long-term. I'm sure there will be some old non-working shortcuts that I will stumble upon weeks or months from now that I wonder why isn't this working. Having the old and new (and gone) all included in the list would allow me to explain the non-functioning shortcut (and would avoid me thinking I was going crazy!) Thanks, Bob On 12/10/2013 01:20, Wendy Howard wrote: Perhaps a list or table could be supplied showing all of these existing shortcuts? What is supplied in the Help is very short. Wendy Sherry/Support said the following on 10/12/2013 6:40 p.m.: Not all keyboard shortcuts are gone. The programmer told us We had to abandon all the one- and two-letter commands because we couldn't trap those keys anymore due to the ribbon control. All shortcuts are now either F-keys or Ctrl- or Alt-keys. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Dee Whitingdeema...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the thread and must add that the removal of the keyboard shortcuts has killed my desire to buy the new version. I had it in my cart, along with all the new CDs, but backed off when I tried the free version and experienced this loss. I use keyboard shortcuts all the time and would encourage Legacy to add them back, whether the same or different. I am a genealogy teacher and have always encouraged my students to buy Legacy. I can’t count how many have done so. I cannot endorse the new version. We all know that the Office ribbon has two- and three-letter keyboard shortcuts. Please do the same for Legacy power users! A ribbon is not modern if it has the look but not the features. Hoping for an update, Dee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
I suspect the difference will be the general public who uses computers tablets to ACCESS things will use touchscreens, those of us who actually PRODUCE things on the computer, be it developers or writers or genealogists or for business will continue to use keyboards From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts snip (And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Thank you Mark. It was said that the loss of the keyboard shortcuts was a side effect of ribbon control. If I take a pill that promises to help me see a little more clearly, I wouldn't take it if the side effect was going to be that I would have a limp the rest of my life. Joseph Leavitt On 11/28/2013 9:52 PM, Mark Lang wrote: Wendy et al, I have been the voice for ribbon keyboard shortcuts for the last six months to be reinstated on the beta list and I will not stop till they are. It is unfortunate that the single and dual key combinations that allowed us to navigate had to be removed. I will persavere I promise. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Wendy Howard [mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2013 10:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
My Android, which I hate, is supposed to respond to a touch and I find myself having to poke it hard to get it to do anything and even then it doesn't respond. I'm thinking of going back to a cheapo cell phone. I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. I suspect with touch screens, the failure rate will be high and I'm sure it is expensive to repair. All that poking at the screen probably wears the monitor out real quick. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts My experiences with touch screens are not happy memories. WAAAY back-in-the-day (early 1980s), a national chain had 'em in a store-near-me as an improvement; some improvement. Instead of my handing an employee a piece of paper with the Bin 7, shelf 2 C written on it, I was supposed to touch the 10 numbers matching my order number; except the screen didn't want a touch, it wanted a serious WHAM! Inch forward a decade and a touch now works, but only if you touch the exact middle pixel of a starburst. Ooze onward to summer of 2013 in an air-conditioned room (ambient T in the hi 60s) where heat-sensitive touch-screens weren't sensing enough heat to register - between each touch I had to rub my touching finger against the bunched fingertips of the other hand. Danke, mais NYET, y'know? Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Bill, RE: *I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first.* Not sure where you are from but most areas of the USA ONLY have digital TV signals these days. Thats what all the fuss about analog set-top receivers was a few years back when they STOPPED sending MOST tv signals analog and all are now delivered digital. SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition_in_the_United_States Jay On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.comwrote: My Android, which I hate, is supposed to respond to a touch and I find myself having to poke it hard to get it to do anything and even then it doesn't respond. I'm thinking of going back to a cheapo cell phone. I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. I suspect with touch screens, the failure rate will be high and I'm sure it is expensive to repair. All that poking at the screen probably wears the monitor out real quick. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts My experiences with touch screens are not happy memories. WAAAY back-in-the-day (early 1980s), a national chain had 'em in a store-near-me as an improvement; some improvement. Instead of my handing an employee a piece of paper with the Bin 7, shelf 2 C written on it, I was supposed to touch the 10 numbers matching my order number; except the screen didn't want a touch, it wanted a serious WHAM! Inch forward a decade and a touch now works, but only if you touch the exact middle pixel of a starburst. Ooze onward to summer of 2013 in an air-conditioned room (ambient T in the hi 60s) where heat-sensitive touch-screens weren't sensing enough heat to register - between each touch I had to rub my touching finger against the bunched fingertips of the other hand. Danke, mais NYET, y'know? Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
I know digital TV is everywhere even with antennas. What I'm saying is the technology just isn't up to where it should be when we have glitchy signals even with cable. From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Bill, RE: I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. Not sure where you are from but most areas of the USA ONLY have digital TV signals these days. Thats what all the fuss about analog set-top receivers was a few years back when they STOPPED sending MOST tv signals analog and all are now delivered digital. SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition_in_the_United_States Jay On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: My Android, which I hate, is supposed to respond to a touch and I find myself having to poke it hard to get it to do anything and even then it doesn't respond. I'm thinking of going back to a cheapo cell phone. I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. I suspect with touch screens, the failure rate will be high and I'm sure it is expensive to repair. All that poking at the screen probably wears the monitor out real quick. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts My experiences with touch screens are not happy memories. WAAAY back-in-the-day (early 1980s), a national chain had 'em in a store-near-me as an improvement; some improvement. Instead of my handing an employee a piece of paper with the Bin 7, shelf 2 C written on it, I was supposed to touch the 10 numbers matching my order number; except the screen didn't want a touch, it wanted a serious WHAM! Inch forward a decade and a touch now works, but only if you touch the exact middle pixel of a starburst. Ooze onward to summer of 2013 in an air-conditioned room (ambient T in the hi 60s) where heat-sensitive touch-screens weren't sensing enough heat to register - between each touch I had to rub my touching finger against the bunched fingertips of the other hand. Danke, mais NYET, y'know? Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Oh, please, it isn’t! The world is a bit bigger than the USA, and Legacy covers more than one country. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: William Boswell Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 9:54 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts I know digital TV is everywhere even with antennas. What I'm saying is the technology just isn't up to where it should be when we have glitchy signals even with cable. From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Bill, RE: I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. Not sure where you are from but most areas of the USA ONLY have digital TV signals these days. Thats what all the fuss about analog set-top receivers was a few years back when they STOPPED sending MOST tv signals analog and all are now delivered digital. SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition_in_the_United_States Jay On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: My Android, which I hate, is supposed to respond to a touch and I find myself having to poke it hard to get it to do anything and even then it doesn't respond. I'm thinking of going back to a cheapo cell phone. I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. I suspect with touch screens, the failure rate will be high and I'm sure it is expensive to repair. All that poking at the screen probably wears the monitor out real quick. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts My experiences with touch screens are not happy memories. WAAAY back-in-the-day (early 1980s), a national chain had 'em in a store-near-me as an improvement; some improvement. Instead of my handing an employee a piece of paper with the Bin 7, shelf 2 C written on it, I was supposed to touch the 10 numbers matching my order number; except the screen didn't want a touch, it wanted a serious WHAM! Inch forward a decade and a touch now works, but only if you touch the exact middle pixel of a starburst. Ooze onward to summer of 2013 in an air-conditioned room (ambient T in the hi 60s) where heat-sensitive touch-screens weren't sensing enough heat to register - between each touch I had to rub my touching finger against the bunched fingertips of the other hand. Danke, mais NYET, y'know? Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
William - I expect Legacy is just keeping up with the times, but it will be a loss in productivity for some users. You can still find used Avant Stellar keyboards - a classic and probably the best keyboard for a professional typist ever built (function keys on left!). My Avant Stellar is about 13 years old and still in perfect condition. See image of the Avant Stellar keyboard, from pcmag, here: http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/38292/avant-stellar-keyboard. Virginia On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:31 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, especially since if you're looking for a replacement keyboard you'll only find one that is similar to a laptop keyboard. No raised keys and a space bar from hell that adds errors. I think they make them for people who don't know how to type. For us professionals who have typed for many years, it's rather difficult to find a real keyboard like they used to make several years ago. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Bill, This discussion is getting a bit far from Legacy issues. But, in my experience dealing with my cable company Comcast, the issue of glitchy digital TV signals and Cable TV is poor cabling in the residence. The digital infrastructure at the delivery end just does not have the bandwidth to meet the needs of today. Our Condo was wired for cable 25+ years ago with cabling that is not up to current standards and with distances where the signal is seriously attenuated. The signal strength is low enough that the new Xfinity operating system is not installable here. I know other folks with more modern connections who have no problems. The important issue with every problem is to try to affix the blame at the right place so the issue can get fixed. The same thing is true for issues in Legacy. It is not always obvious where to affix the blame. john. At 04:54 PM 11/29/2013, William Boswell wrote: I know digital TV is everywhere even with antennas. What I'm saying is the technology just isn't up to where it should be when we have glitchy signals even with cable. From: Jay 1FamilyTree [ mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Bill, RE: I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. Not sure where you are from but most areas of the USA ONLY have digital TV signals these days. Thats what all the fuss about analog set-top receivers was a few years back when they STOPPED sending MOST tv signals analog and all are now delivered digital. SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition_in_the_United_States Jay On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: My Android, which I hate, is supposed to respond to a touch and I find myself having to poke it hard to get it to do anything and even then it doesn't respond. I'm thinking of going back to a cheapo cell phone. I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose the channel for hours. Technology is moving too fast just to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing first. I suspect with touch screens, the failure rate will be high and I'm sure it is expensive to repair. All that poking at the screen probably wears the monitor out real quick. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: singhals [ mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts My experiences with touch screens are not happy memories. WAAAY back-in-the-day (early 1980s), a national chain had 'em in a store-near-me as an improvement; some improvement. Instead of my handing an employee a piece of paper with the Bin 7, shelf 2 C written on it, I was supposed to touch the 10 numbers matching my order number; except the screen didn't want a touch, it wanted a serious WHAM! Inch forward a decade and a touch now works, but only if you touch the exact middle pixel of a starburst. Ooze onward to summer of 2013 in an air-conditioned room (ambient T in the hi 60s) where heat-sensitive touch-screens weren't sensing enough heat to register - between each touch I had to rub my touching finger against the bunched fingertips of the other hand. Danke, mais NYET, y'know? Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 2013/11/29 23:54, William Boswell wrote: I know digital TV is everywhere even with antennas. What I'm saying is the technology just isn't up to where it should be when we have glitchy signals even with cable. Even in 3rd-world South Africa, we have a very good, HD Satellite network. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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It would be nice if we had, Mike, mine's OK but a lot of the country isn't. Mind you it is getting better. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 10:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts On 2013/11/29 23:54, William Boswell wrote: I know digital TV is everywhere even with antennas. What I'm saying is the technology just isn't up to where it should be when we have glitchy signals even with cable. Even in 3rd-world South Africa, we have a very good, HD Satellite network. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thank you. I'll check it out. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: Virginia Blakelock [mailto:vblakel...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 5:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts William - I expect Legacy is just keeping up with the times, but it will be a loss in productivity for some users. You can still find used Avant Stellar keyboards - a classic and probably the best keyboard for a professional typist ever built (function keys on left!). My Avant Stellar is about 13 years old and still in perfect condition. See image of the Avant Stellar keyboard, from pcmag, here: http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/38292/avant-stellar-keyboard. Virginia Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Bill - For old keyboards you want to deal with a company that repairs them and has the parts. Otherwise if a part fails, you are out of luck. Virginia On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:58 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. I'll check it out. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: Virginia Blakelock [mailto:vblakel...@gmail.com] You can still find used Avant Stellar keyboards - a classic and probably the best keyboard for a professional typist ever built (function keys on left!). My Avant Stellar is about 13 years old and still in perfect condition. See image of the Avant Stellar keyboard, from pcmag, here: http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/38292/avant-stellar-keyboard. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I hope not - I can't hold a mouse or a pen for long enough to do a lot of things - I rely on a keyboard for a lot (a LOT) of my work and communications On 28 November 2013 18:01, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Regarding the Keyboard shortcuts - I think if you look at it from the prospective of the future of the keyboard, you will be glad you started moving away from those (Keyboard only shortcuts) now, as 5 years from now there wont be (physical) keyboards. Just another way of looking at it. Jay The only thing that is permanent is change. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.comwrote: Did I mention that I'm getting tired? It's almost time for me to go to sleep. ;-) I've just re-read the thread below, and I appreciate that the old single-letter-single-letter shortcuts might not be able to be restored, that those functions would have to be reassigned to other key combinations. I missed you saying that before. BTW, I just mentioned the ones I probably use most as an example, I use a lot more - or at least, I used to. But they can be relearned, once they're reassigned. It should not be a reason to not implement them in the first place. Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical
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Sherry, IMHO Microsoft made a bad mistake when it moved from the old File, Edit, View menu to the more modern ribbon and legacy appears to have jumped onto the same band wagon. I still use Office XP (Non Ribbon) even though I purchased Office 2007, which I hate. A lot of people still struggle with control of the mouse and prefer keyboard shortcuts - maybe it should be a priority to bring shortcuts back even if they key press has to be something different. Alan Pereira -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: 28 November 2013 02:55 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard Shortcuts People were asking for a more up-to-date look. What's more contemporary than the ribbon bar that seems to be standard these days? Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, JV Leavitt jleavi...@att.net wrote: If ribbon control eliminates keyboard shortcuts, then the solution is simple -- Eliminate ribbon control! Way too much is being sacrificed for what looks to me like nothing more than a fashion thing. I am discovering to my dismay that there is a list of things that are worse in this version -- the top one on the list being the loss of keyboard shortcuts, but that is not on the list all by itself. Maybe we are victims of marketing directives. Does Ribbon Bar sound cool, or something? Joseph Leavitt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Kathy, Think touchscreen. On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: I hope not - I can't hold a mouse or a pen for long enough to do a lot of things - I rely on a keyboard for a lot (a LOT) of my work and communications On 28 November 2013 18:01, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Regarding the Keyboard shortcuts - I think if you look at it from the prospective of the future of the keyboard, you will be glad you started moving away from those (Keyboard only shortcuts) now, as 5 years from now there wont be (physical) keyboards. Just another way of looking at it. Jay The only thing that is permanent is change. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.comwrote: Did I mention that I'm getting tired? It's almost time for me to go to sleep. ;-) I've just re-read the thread below, and I appreciate that the old single-letter-single-letter shortcuts might not be able to be restored, that those functions would have to be reassigned to other key combinations. I missed you saying that before. BTW, I just mentioned the ones I probably use most as an example, I use a lot more - or at least, I used to. But they can be relearned, once they're reassigned. It should not be a reason to not implement them in the first place. Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old
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y eah, but still - there's something nice about actually hearing the typing on a keyboard rather than the electronic click from a touchscreen keyboard. On 29 November 2013 06:10, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Kathy, Think touchscreen. On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: I hope not - I can't hold a mouse or a pen for long enough to do a lot of things - I rely on a keyboard for a lot (a LOT) of my work and communications On 28 November 2013 18:01, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Regarding the Keyboard shortcuts - I think if you look at it from the prospective of the future of the keyboard, you will be glad you started moving away from those (Keyboard only shortcuts) now, as 5 years from now there wont be (physical) keyboards. Just another way of looking at it. Jay The only thing that is permanent is change. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.comwrote: Did I mention that I'm getting tired? It's almost time for me to go to sleep. ;-) I've just re-read the thread below, and I appreciate that the old single-letter-single-letter shortcuts might not be able to be restored, that those functions would have to be reassigned to other key combinations. I missed you saying that before. BTW, I just mentioned the ones I probably use most as an example, I use a lot more - or at least, I used to. But they can be relearned, once they're reassigned. It should not be a reason to not implement them in the first place. Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe:
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Mmmm -- I've heard /that/ before. Mostly from people who don't program in ASSEMBLER Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: Regarding the Keyboard shortcuts - I think if you look at it from the prospective of the future of the keyboard, you will be glad you started moving away from those (Keyboard only shortcuts) now, as 5 years from now there wont be (physical) keyboards. Just another way of looking at it. Jay The only thing that is permanent is change. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote: Did I mention that I'm getting tired? It's almost time for me to go to sleep. ;-) I've just re-read the thread below, and I appreciate that the old single-letter-single-letter shortcuts might not be able to be restored, that those functions would have to be reassigned to other key combinations. I missed you saying that before. BTW, I just mentioned the ones I probably use most as an example, I use a lot more - or at least, I used to. But they can be relearned, once they're reassigned. It should not be a reason to not implement them in the first place. Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach for the freakin' mouse every few seconds. For those of us who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F. The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only partially lessened by but everyone else is too!. So, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;) Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!) Wendy Howard wrote: Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was used before), but it can be done. It's more a matter of how willing the developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the job. It's not a small issue. Ask any programmer worth their salt if they would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their IDE (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the mouse instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money on that answer. It's unthinkable. It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard without looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy without keyboard shortcuts. At least in the long term. I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I recommend anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so the developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their product. Kind Regards, Wendy PS Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut Alt-F4 from the Windows standard quit program to switch to Descendant view? Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the answer. But it is just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). Please restore it to its original purpose asap. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Well, I have to speak up here and disagree. I edit an average of at least 300 persons records every day and I hardly ever take my hand OFF the mouse. (And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach for the freakin' mouse every few seconds. For those of us who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F. The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only partially lessened by but everyone else is too!. So, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;) Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!) Wendy Howard wrote: Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was used before), but it can be done. It's more a matter of how willing the developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the job. It's not a small issue. Ask any programmer worth their salt if they would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their IDE (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the mouse instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money on that answer. It's unthinkable. It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard without looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy without keyboard shortcuts. At least in the long term. I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I recommend anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so the developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their product. Kind Regards, Wendy PS Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut Alt-F4 from the Windows standard quit program to switch to Descendant view? Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the answer. But it is just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). Please restore it to its original purpose asap. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as
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As a matter of not that idle curiosity and marginally on-topic -- what's the best cpm typing on a touchscreen? I have a friend who has switched to a touch-screen because she was told it would be easier on her arthritic fingers. The advice is probably right, mostly because she says it takes so long to type a sentence she types fewer per hour. She's NOT a happy-camper. Cheryl Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: Kathy, Think touchscreen. On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: I hope not - I can't hold a mouse or a pen for long enough to do a lot of things - I rely on a keyboard for a lot (a LOT) of my work and communications On 28 November 2013 18:01, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com mailto:1familytree@gmail.com wrote: Regarding the Keyboard shortcuts - I think if you look at it from the prospective of the future of the keyboard, you will be glad you started moving away from those (Keyboard only shortcuts) now, as 5 years from now there wont be (physical) keyboards. Just another way of looking at it. Jay The only thing that is permanent is change. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote: Did I mention that I'm getting tired? It's almost time for me to go to sleep. ;-) I've just re-read the thread below, and I appreciate that the old single-letter-single-letter shortcuts might not be able to be restored, that those functions would have to be reassigned to other key combinations. I missed you saying that before. BTW, I just mentioned the ones I probably use most as an example, I use a lot more - or at least, I used to. But they can be relearned, once they're reassigned. It should not be a reason to not implement them in the first place. Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Well, I have to speak up here and disagree. I edit an average of at least 300 persons records every day and I hardly ever take my hand OFF the mouse. (And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach for the freakin' mouse every few seconds. For those of us who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F. The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only partially lessened by but everyone else is too!. So, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;) Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!) Wendy Howard wrote: Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was used before), but it can be done. It's more a matter of how willing the developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the job. It's not a small issue. Ask any programmer worth their salt if they would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their IDE (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the mouse instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money on that answer. It's unthinkable. It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard without looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy without keyboard shortcuts. At least in the long term. I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I recommend anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so the developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their product. Kind Regards, Wendy PS Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut Alt-F4 from the Windows standard quit program to switch to Descendant view? Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the answer. But it is just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). Please restore it to its original purpose asap. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as
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Bill, I can agree with this ;-). I use a laptop for all of my activities, but I have a basic MS Optical Wheel mouse and an MS real keyboard, both with USB connections (Wireless ones burn batteries too quickly...) I even bring them along when travelling. john. At 11:31 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote: Yes, especially since if you're looking for a replacement keyboard you'll only find one that is similar to a laptop keyboard. No raised keys and a space bar from hell that adds errors. I think they make them for people who don't know how to type. For us professionals who have typed for many years, it's rather difficult to find a real keyboard like they used to make several years ago. I think the new keyboards are made for texters who can't type especially with a real keyboard and not a plastic simulation on a phone. I'd take the real keyboard any day over a touch screen. Who wants a monitor that emulates a cell phone? Before cell phones, we used to have real keyboards. Now we have keyboards made for those who can't type. From: Jay 1FamilyTree [ mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Well, I have to speak up here and disagree. I edit an average of at least 300 persons records every day and I hardly ever take my hand OFF the mouse. (And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach for the freakin' mouse every few seconds. For those of us who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F. The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only partially lessened by but everyone else is too!. So, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;) Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!) Wendy Howard wrote: Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was used before), but it can be done. It's more a matter of how willing the developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the job. It's not a small issue. Ask any programmer worth their salt if they would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their IDE (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the mouse instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money on that answer. It's unthinkable. It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard without looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy without keyboard shortcuts. At least in the long term. I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I recommend anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so the developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their product. Kind Regards, Wendy PS Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut Alt-F4 from the Windows standard quit program to switch to Descendant view? Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the answer. But it is just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). Please restore it to its original purpose asap. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key
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I agree with you William. I've been typing all my life or it seems like it. I refuse to use Windows 8, I do not like a touchscreen. Leonard Johnson-Källbom Team Leader Swedish Translation Team legacy8.swed...@gmail.com We are helping change the world of genealogy ! On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:31 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, especially since if you're looking for a replacement keyboard you'll only find one that is similar to a laptop keyboard. No raised keys and a space bar from hell that adds errors. I think they make them for people who don't know how to type. For us professionals who have typed for many years, it's rather difficult to find a real keyboard like they used to make several years ago. I think the new keyboards are made for texters who can't type especially with a real keyboard and not a plastic simulation on a phone. I'd take the real keyboard any day over a touch screen. Who wants a monitor that emulates a cell phone? Before cell phones, we used to have real keyboards. Now we have keyboards made for those who can't type. *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Well, I have to speak up here and disagree. I edit an average of at least 300 persons records every day and I hardly ever take my hand OFF the mouse. (And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach for the freakin' mouse every few seconds. For those of us who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F. The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only partially lessened by but everyone else is too!. So, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;) Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!) Wendy Howard wrote: Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was used before), but it can be done. It's more a matter of how willing the developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the job. It's not a small issue. Ask any programmer worth their salt if they would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their IDE (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the mouse instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money on that answer. It's unthinkable. It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard without looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy without keyboard shortcuts. At least in the long term. I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I recommend anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so the developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their product. Kind Regards, Wendy PS Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut Alt-F4 from the Windows standard quit program to switch to Descendant view? Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the answer. But it is just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). Please restore it to its original purpose asap. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking
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Wendy et al, I have been the voice for ribbon keyboard shortcuts for the last six months to be reinstated on the beta list and I will not stop till they are. It is unfortunate that the single and dual key combinations that allowed us to navigate had to be removed. I will persavere I promise. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Wendy Howard [mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2013 10:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I'll stick with typing. I've been doing it since 1973 and my fingers still remember where the keys are even if I don't. I don't plan on using Windows 8/8.1 unless I have to get a new computer. I still type over 120 wpm. On an Android, maybe 5 wpm. On my Android (which I hate), you have to keep touching to get it to cooperate. After touch screen, they'll have a remote so you don't have to use your fingers. Or you can dance in front of the monitor, pick your nose, or give it the finger and it will know what you want to do. Welcome to the new maid. You can yell at the monitor and it will get you something to eat, clean the house, take the dog for a walk, make coffee, and even write you a check. I'd like to write a story about my ancestors and how they would live in today's world. I think it would be interesting, comical, and a whole lot of swear words used (You want me to do what with this thing!). I tried to introduce my father to an Excel spreadsheet and his reply was I've been doing it by hand for years so why should I change now? A quote from the movie Ghost Story: Change is change for the worst. The reply from Fred Astaire was: Spoken like a true lawyer. And this is my senior moment for the night. I'm still thinking that ancestor story might be worth writing especially if my paternal grandfather and grandmother are in it. Touch screen. How do you highlight a sentence to move it? If it's anything like a smartphone--forget it. From: Leonard Johnson [mailto:legacy8.swed...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts I agree with you William. I've been typing all my life or it seems like it. I refuse to use Windows 8, I do not like a touchscreen. Leonard Johnson-Källbom Team Leader Swedish Translation Team mailto:legacy8.swed...@gmail.com legacy8.swed...@gmail.com We are helping change the world of genealogy ! https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:31 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, especially since if you're looking for a replacement keyboard you'll only find one that is similar to a laptop keyboard. No raised keys and a space bar from hell that adds errors. I think they make them for people who don't know how to type. For us professionals who have typed for many years, it's rather difficult to find a real keyboard like they used to make several years ago. I think the new keyboards are made for texters who can't type especially with a real keyboard and not a plastic simulation on a phone. I'd take the real keyboard any day over a touch screen. Who wants a monitor that emulates a cell phone? Before cell phones, we used to have real keyboards. Now we have keyboards made for those who can't type. From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts Well, I have to speak up here and disagree. I edit an average of at least 300 persons records every day and I hardly ever take my hand OFF the mouse. (And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach for the freakin' mouse every few seconds. For those of us who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F. The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only partially lessened by but everyone else is too!. So, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;) Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!) Wendy Howard wrote: Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign
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They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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If ribbon control eliminates keyboard shortcuts, then the solution is simple -- Eliminate ribbon control! Way too much is being sacrificed for what looks to me like nothing more than a fashion thing. I am discovering to my dismay that there is a list of things that are worse in this version -- the top one on the list being the loss of keyboard shortcuts, but that is not on the list all by itself. Maybe we are victims of marketing directives. Does Ribbon Bar sound cool, or something? Joseph Leavitt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Sorry JV Leavitt, I realize some folks lived by keyboard shortcuts, but there are a lot of us that do not/did not. Obviously, Ribbon Bar is offensive to you, but some of us, myself being one of them prefer the new ribbon bar. I would not want to see the new ribbon control eliminated. Sometimes we need to learn to live with change. Ron Bernier Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:41 PM, JV Leavitt jleavi...@att.net wrote: If ribbon control eliminates keyboard shortcuts, then the solution is simple -- Eliminate ribbon control! Way too much is being sacrificed for what looks to me like nothing more than a fashion thing. I am discovering to my dismay that there is a list of things that are worse in this version -- the top one on the list being the loss of keyboard shortcuts, but that is not on the list all by itself. Maybe we are victims of marketing directives. Does Ribbon Bar sound cool, or something? Joseph Leavitt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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People were asking for a more up-to-date look. What's more contemporary than the ribbon bar that seems to be standard these days? Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, JV Leavitt jleavi...@att.net wrote: If ribbon control eliminates keyboard shortcuts, then the solution is simple -- Eliminate ribbon control! Way too much is being sacrificed for what looks to me like nothing more than a fashion thing. I am discovering to my dismay that there is a list of things that are worse in this version -- the top one on the list being the loss of keyboard shortcuts, but that is not on the list all by itself. Maybe we are victims of marketing directives. Does Ribbon Bar sound cool, or something? Joseph Leavitt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to give an informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the too-hard basket and be forgotten about. Ken and Dave may remember meeting my other half Nigel on the 2010 cruise around New Zealand. He's a software engineer/developer, and has worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec owned the product until they closed the Auckland RD office three years ago and shipped that work to India. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to this sort of thing. He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can implement them when there is a ribbon. That there are keyboard shortcuts already in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will. It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that have been lost and have them functioning as they should (and maybe reassign those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was used before), but it can be done. It's more a matter of how willing the developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the job. It's not a small issue. Ask any programmer worth their salt if they would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their IDE (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the mouse instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money on that answer. It's unthinkable. It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard without looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy without keyboard shortcuts. At least in the long term. I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I recommend anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so the developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their product. Kind Regards, Wendy PS Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut Alt-F4 from the Windows standard quit program to switch to Descendant view? Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the answer. But it is just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). Please restore it to its original purpose asap. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
Did I mention that I'm getting tired? It's almost time for me to go to sleep. ;-) I've just re-read the thread below, and I appreciate that the old single-letter-single-letter shortcuts might not be able to be restored, that those functions would have to be reassigned to other key combinations. I missed you saying that before. BTW, I just mentioned the ones I probably use most as an example, I use a lot more - or at least, I used to. But they can be relearned, once they're reassigned. It should not be a reason to not implement them in the first place. Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.: As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the beta testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a special purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the ribbon functions. Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what you will be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want reinstated) is impossible. If you want to suggest that those old keyboard commands be implemented as Alt-key, Ctrl-key combinations then a suggestion would be appropriate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 7:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: Thanks for the quick response, Brian. Your answer is very disappointing, though. I much prefer keyboard shortcuts to reaching for the mouse or trackpad. This might be a deal-breaker for me. I'll have to think about it. Quite happy with v7.5, so have no qualms about continuing to use it for now - and my Deluxe customer number for v8 just arrived a few moments ago, so I have a choice to make. I hope there is a plan to restore them (albeit with new key combinations that fit the new ribbon control) in the near future. Would it help if I put in a suggestion through the proper channels? Kind Regards, Wendy Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 12:49 p.m.: They have gone. One by-product of the change to the Ribbon control we use in Legacy 8 is that we can no longer use those old two letter shortcuts and now can only use Function Key, Alt-Key or CTRL-Key shortcuts as documented in the Help. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 27/11/2013 1833, Wendy Howard wrote: Where have all the keyboard shortcuts gone? The list in v8 is significantly shorter than the one for v7, and my old favourites are not working. Basics such as Edit Wife (E - W) and Edit Husband (E - H) appear to have vanished. Along with Add Daughter and Add Son, Husband's Parents, even the shortcuts to switch between views. Am I missing something, or have they gone? Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
