Re: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
I had an Event marked Private, 6 Events up, unmarked it Private and the Event in question is not included with all other Events when I created the Pedigree webpages. There was an issue sometime back, if an Event was marked Private, all Events following wouldn't show up, and that was fixed, but this was strange that the Private Event was located 6 up and not bothering the other 5, just this one. Syble Families Researching: Cline/Klein, Daniel, Newton, Witherspoon, Perryman, Gilbreath, Lindsey, Brown, Foote, Curry, Fleming, Glasscock, Edwards, Waters, Wheat On Thursday, May 7, 2015 6:28 AM, Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com wrote: Just to let you know, I tried two more things:1. I moved the Event up, created the pedigree webpages, it was still not listed, all others were.2. I deleted the Event in question, copied and pasted an Event from his wife, that Event is still not showing when I recreated the pedigree webpages. Syble On Thursday, May 7, 2015 6:16 AM, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Confirmed. Problem report raised to have this fixed. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 07/05/2015 12:03 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote: Hi Syble, Is the previous event Private? I've just tried to reproduce this with a small group (Pedigree style webpages) and I have an individual without their final event and the previous event is a Globally Private Event. I moved that event up and tried again and all events after the Private Event were omitted. Once I marked it neither Globally nor Individually Private, all events are included. Brian, this seems to be a bug. Cathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
Just to let you know, I tried two more things:1. I moved the Event up, created the pedigree webpages, it was still not listed, all others were.2. I deleted the Event in question, copied and pasted an Event from his wife, that Event is still not showing when I recreated the pedigree webpages. Syble On Thursday, May 7, 2015 6:16 AM, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Confirmed. Problem report raised to have this fixed. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 07/05/2015 12:03 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote: Hi Syble, Is the previous event Private? I've just tried to reproduce this with a small group (Pedigree style webpages) and I have an individual without their final event and the previous event is a Globally Private Event. I moved that event up and tried again and all events after the Private Event were omitted. Once I marked it neither Globally nor Individually Private, all events are included. Brian, this seems to be a bug. Cathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
Oops, not under the privacy settings! The private setting for the EVENT is in the lower right hand corner of the event screen. ~Mary On 06/05/2015 10:17 AM, Syble Glasscock wrote: I'm not sure when this happened, but I accidently realized that my grandfather's webpage is excluding the last Event. I hadn't checked it likely in several years. Obviously I've updated many times over the years with the webpage creation. I've tried several things, reran the pedigree webpages each time, nothing helped, so I updated to the last build 8.0.0.473, reran the pedigree pages and it's still not including the last Event. Any suggestions and I'm wondering how many more are like this.Thanks,Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
Be sure it isn't set as a private event. Look down in the lower right hand corner under Privacy Settings to see if the private box is ticked. ~Mary On 06/05/2015 10:17 AM, Syble Glasscock wrote: I'm not sure when this happened, but I accidently realized that my grandfather's webpage is excluding the last Event. I hadn't checked it likely in several years. Obviously I've updated many times over the years with the webpage creation. I've tried several things, reran the pedigree webpages each time, nothing helped, so I updated to the last build 8.0.0.473, reran the pedigree pages and it's still not including the last Event. Any suggestions and I'm wondering how many more are like this.Thanks,Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
I use the pedigree style.Thanks,Syble On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 11:06 AM, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Since there are several styles of web pages it would help me test this if you said which style you are using. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 06/05/2015 10:17 AM, Syble Glasscock wrote: I'm not sure when this happened, but I accidently realized that my grandfather's webpage is excluding the last Event. I hadn't checked it likely in several years. Obviously I've updated many times over the years with the webpage creation. I've tried several things, reran the pedigree webpages each time, nothing helped, so I updated to the last build 8.0.0.473, reran the pedigree pages and it's still not including the last Event. Any suggestions and I'm wondering how many more are like this.Thanks,Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
No, it's not marked Private, I checked that immediately when I realized it was not being included. Thanks,Syble On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 12:48 PM, Mary Fowler Leek ml...@comcast.net wrote: Oops, not under the privacy settings! The private setting for the EVENT is in the lower right hand corner of the event screen. ~Mary On 06/05/2015 10:17 AM, Syble Glasscock wrote: I'm not sure when this happened, but I accidently realized that my grandfather's webpage is excluding the last Event. I hadn't checked it likely in several years. Obviously I've updated many times over the years with the webpage creation. I've tried several things, reran the pedigree webpages each time, nothing helped, so I updated to the last build 8.0.0.473, reran the pedigree pages and it's still not including the last Event. Any suggestions and I'm wondering how many more are like this.Thanks,Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] webpages excluding event
Hi Syble, Is the previous event Private? I've just tried to reproduce this with a small group (Pedigree style webpages) and I have an individual without their final event and the previous event is a Globally Private Event. I moved that event up and tried again and all events after the Private Event were omitted. Once I marked it neither Globally nor Individually Private, all events are included. Brian, this seems to be a bug. Cathy Syble Glasscock wrote: No, it's not marked Private, I checked that immediately when I realized it was not being included. /Thanks,/ /Syble/ On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 12:48 PM, Mary Fowler Leek ml...@comcast.net wrote: Oops, not under the privacy settings! The private setting for the EVENT is in the lower right hand corner of the event screen. ~Mary On 06/05/2015 10:17 AM, Syble Glasscock wrote: I'm not sure when this happened, but I accidently realized that my grandfather's webpage is excluding the last Event. I hadn't checked it likely in several years. Obviously I've updated many times over the years with the webpage creation. I've tried several things, reran the pedigree webpages each time, nothing helped, so I updated to the last build 8.0.0.473, reran the pedigree pages and it's still not including the last Event. Any suggestions and I'm wondering how many more are like this.Thanks,Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Brian, Have you checked your file names? Legacy insists on using .jpg in the coding even if they are GIFs or PNG. I have reported this many times over the years without any luck. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: Well now I’m confused. I just created web pages in v8, then viewed the resultant html pages and all the pictures were there. Once again, no problems. Maybe it has something to do with the type of pages being created such as Descendant, Ancestor, etc. I’ll give each type a run through to see what happens. What was the date of your communication with support…just to make sure they haven’t fixed the issue in recent updates. Brian in CA From: Don Quigley [mailto:dwquig...@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 2:38 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, I’m confused, because when I contacted Legacy Support about this problem, I received the following reply: I do seem to remember the picture attachments to sources working in v 7.5 – but not sure. Don, You are right. The picture options for sources in Webpages is not working. It has been reported by other users and was logged for the programmers’ attention as issue 4581: Legacy 8 - Web Page options to include source pictures are not working. I have added you to the list of persons who have reported it. I cannot predict when the issue will be fixed. Sincerely, Jim Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Sign up for our genealogy webinars (free) or view past webinars at www.FamilyTreeWebinars.com. Follow us on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com) http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com . Brian L. Lightfoot Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:11:32 -0800 And so far, I have no problem with Legacy including pictures attached to either sources or events. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Brian, I just tested the Pedigree web pages and neither master source nor source detail pictures were included in Legacy 8.0 source lists. What settings/styles of web pages are you using where this works for source picture? Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 5:08 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: snip And so far, I have no problem with Legacy including pictures attached to either sources or events. In other words, it’s working fine on my end. Make sure you look at the SOURCES tab and check the “Include Master Source Pictures†and “Include Detail Source Picturesâ€. Pictures of individuals can be included by checking the appropriate boxes on the OTHER tab. And it is this OTHER tab where you get to select the Ensure Unique Picture Names option which is strongly recommended. Legacy kindly copies all the media files to be used to the web pictures folder for the web project and gives them all web friendly names by replacing spaces with underscores. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Brian, Thank you. Actually if a program changes the coding for a file extension on my view this is a bug, and I did not consider that I was making a suggestion, rather I was reporting a bug. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Ron, It has not been implemented but your request has not been forgotten. There is a suggestion in the list to add an option to not change file name extensions for web pages. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 4:00 AM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian, snip Legacy insists on using .jpg in the coding even if they are GIFs or PNG. I have reported this many times over the years without any luck. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
That might be true if web pages could display all possible file extensions but only certain extensions work in a web page. Legacy accepts many picture formats which are not web page compatible so some conversion of files is needed. Legacy chose to use .jpg files exclusively in its web pages and creates copies of the picture files in the web project picture folder for ease of uploading and referencing of the picture files in the pages. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 1:26 PM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian, Thank you. Actually if a program changes the coding for a file extension on my view this is a bug, and I did not consider that I was making a suggestion, rather I was reporting a bug. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Ron, It has not been implemented but your request has not been forgotten. There is a suggestion in the list to add an option to not change file name extensions for web pages. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 4:00 AM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian, snip Legacy insists on using .jpg in the coding even if they are GIFs or PNG. I have reported this many times over the years without any luck. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Ron, It has not been implemented but your request has not been forgotten. There is a suggestion in the list to add an option to not change file name extensions for web pages. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 4:00 AM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian, snip Legacy insists on using .jpg in the coding even if they are GIFs or PNG. I have reported this many times over the years without any luck. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Yes, all picture files were JPG to begin with and were copied into a web picture folder (so they could be easily referenced by the “a href” and “img src” HTML tags) where they remained in JPG format. As far as the image format conversion is concerned, Legacy’s Help file 8-0023 : 40409 notes this : Note: All pictures copied to the project folder for use in the generated web pages will be converted to .jpg format if they are not already in this format. (Pictures with .jpeg extensions will also be converted to .jpg files.) Brian in CA From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 1:01 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, Have you checked your file names? Legacy insists on using .jpg in the coding even if they are GIFs or PNG. I have reported this many times over the years without any luck. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: Well now I’m confused. I just created web pages in v8, then viewed the resultant html pages and all the pictures were there. Once again, no problems. Maybe it has something to do with the type of pages being created such as Descendant, Ancestor, etc. I’ll give each type a run through to see what happens. What was the date of your communication with support…just to make sure they haven’t fixed the issue in recent updates. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Brian, All web pages will now display the common files, including GIF and also PNG. By limiting images to JPG Legacy is stopping the use of transparency, which I regularly use. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: That might be true if web pages could display all possible file extensions but only certain extensions work in a web page. Legacy accepts many picture formats which are not web page compatible so some conversion of files is needed. Legacy chose to use .jpg files exclusively in its web pages and creates copies of the picture files in the web project picture folder for ease of uploading and referencing of the picture files in the pages. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 1:26 PM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian, Thank you. Actually if a program changes the coding for a file extension on my view this is a bug, and I did not consider that I was making a suggestion, rather I was reporting a bug. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Ron, It has not been implemented but your request has not been forgotten. There is a suggestion in the list to add an option to not change file name extensions for web pages. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 09/01/2015 4:00 AM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian, snip Legacy insists on using .jpg in the coding even if they are GIFs or PNG. I have reported this many times over the years without any luck. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Answered offline. Testing continues Brian in CA --- -Original Message- From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 8:36 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, I just tested the Pedigree web pages and neither master source nor source detail pictures were included in Legacy 8.0 source lists. What settings/styles of web pages are you using where this works for source picture? Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Well now I’m confused. I just created web pages in v8, then viewed the resultant html pages and all the pictures were there. Once again, no problems. Maybe it has something to do with the type of pages being created such as Descendant, Ancestor, etc. I’ll give each type a run through to see what happens. What was the date of your communication with support…just to make sure they haven’t fixed the issue in recent updates. Brian in CA From: Don Quigley [mailto:dwquig...@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 2:38 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, I’m confused, because when I contacted Legacy Support about this problem, I received the following reply: I do seem to remember the picture attachments to sources working in v 7.5 – but not sure. Don, You are right. The picture options for sources in Webpages is not working. It has been reported by other users and was logged for the programmers’ attention as issue 4581: Legacy 8 - Web Page options to include source pictures are not working. I have added you to the list of persons who have reported it. I cannot predict when the issue will be fixed. Sincerely, Jim Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Sign up for our genealogy webinars (free) or view past webinars at www.FamilyTreeWebinars.com. Follow us on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com) http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com . Brian L. Lightfoot Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:11:32 -0800 And so far, I have no problem with Legacy including pictures attached to either sources or events. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thanks Don. No I can FTP the images to the tng docs folder, as in one major upload. The media links are in the legacy-generated gedcom that is uploaded. On my desktop, using Legacy 7.5 still, I have turner/docs/turner, turner/docs/mellor, ... etc.for each of my major family surname groupings. I have turner/photos/turner, turner/photos/mellor, ... etc.for my major surname photos. Other tng users may have their documents organised by type, eg., docs/census, docs/certificates, ... I changed the organisation of my folder names on legacy desktop, made sure all images linked OK, using ltools and the legacy option. Just need to reload new gedcom, make sure I have uploaded all the images, generate all thumbnails (press of button in tng admin menu). :) Margaret On 9 January 2015 at 09:52, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Margaret, Very nice website ! Re # 2, below. That would work for me. Do you have to manually load the attachments?...or have you found a way to automate the process? I have over 3000 sources and attached jpg/pdf files in Legacy that would take forever to manually load into TNG. Cheers, Don -- Margaret Turner Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:31:36 -0800 Don, Yes it does, e.g. http://turnermob.com/showsource.php?sourceID=S192tree=turner. Note. 1. Many would consider an overkill, but I create a legacy custom event 'Document' so that that it displays in legacy reports for the person, and on an individual person's web page: http://turnermob.com/getperson.php?personID=I245tree=turner 2. tng will not display the image as part of the sources listed at the bottom of the individual person's web page, but it does when you click on the particualr source ie. http://turnermob.com/showsource.php?sourceID=S192tree=turner. 3. I'm a splitter. 4. The web site is in the process of being updated, so not all documents have been uploaded to the web site. :) Margaret Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Margaret, Great ! I’ll give it a go. Thanks for your help. Don Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brian, The emails were on Jan 6, two days ago. Don Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
My experience so far is that the Web Page Creation feature within v8 is nearly identical to v7.5 with the exception of options to handle shared events and shared event pictures (in the EVENT OPTIONS button on the WHAT tab). And so far, I have no problem with Legacy including pictures attached to either sources or events. In other words, it’s working fine on my end. Make sure you look at the SOURCES tab and check the “Include Master Source Pictures” and “Include Detail Source Pictures”. Pictures of individuals can be included by checking the appropriate boxes on the OTHER tab. And it is this OTHER tab where you get to select the Ensure Unique Picture Names option which is strongly recommended. Legacy kindly copies all the media files to be used to the web pictures folder for the web project and gives them all web friendly names by replacing spaces with underscores. My biggest gripe is that you can only include the one preferred picture from any event, source, or individual. So if you have pictures of your great-grandfather Tiberius when he was a baby, when he got married, when he was working at his occupation, and when he was elderly, then unfortunately only the one picture which you previously designated as preferred is included with the web. Those additional pictures would have to be added manually used a real HTML editor. Now the inability to include other types of multimedia files has been acknowledged for a long time. The coding necessary to have all the various browsers in use to be able to display or play PDFs, MP3s, MPEGs, MP4s, BMPs, TIFs, WAVs, DOCs, DOCXs, or who knows what else would be a programming nightmare. It has been discussed ad nauseam in previous forum messages that Legacy is a genealogical database program and not a full-fledged HTML editor. Brian in CA On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Has anyone been able to overcome Legacy’s inabilities to create webpages with Source pictures (a program feature, but currently not working in Legacy 8) and other multimedia files attached to Sources (not a feature of the software)? I’d like to be able to share my sourced family files on the internet, but am having trouble finding a way to do so. With thousands of sources and their attached images, documents, etc., manually uploading files one at a time to a webpage is not practical. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brian, I’m confused, because when I contacted Legacy Support about this problem, I received the following reply: I do seem to remember the picture attachments to sources working in v 7.5 – but not sure. Don, You are right. The picture options for sources in Webpages is not working. It has been reported by other users and was logged for the programmers’ attention as issue 4581: Legacy 8 - Web Page options to include source pictures are not working. I have added you to the list of persons who have reported it. I cannot predict when the issue will be fixed. Sincerely, Jim Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Sign up for our genealogy webinars (free) or view past webinars at www.FamilyTreeWebinars.com. Follow us on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). Brian L. Lightfoot Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:11:32 -0800 And so far, I have no problem with Legacy including pictures attached to either sources or events. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Margaret, Very nice website ! Re # 2, below. That would work for me. Do you have to manually load the attachments?...or have you found a way to automate the process? I have over 3000 sources and attached jpg/pdf files in Legacy that would take forever to manually load into TNG. Cheers, Don -- Margaret Turner Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:31:36 -0800 Don, Yes it does, e.g. http://turnermob.com/showsource.php?sourceID=S192tree=turner. Note. 1. Many would consider an overkill, but I create a legacy custom event 'Document' so that that it displays in legacy reports for the person, and on an individual person's web page: http://turnermob.com/getperson.php?personID=I245tree=turner 2. tng will not display the image as part of the sources listed at the bottom of the individual person's web page, but it does when you click on the particualr source ie. http://turnermob.com/showsource.php?sourceID=S192tree=turner. 3. I'm a splitter. 4. The web site is in the process of being updated, so not all documents have been uploaded to the web site. :) Margaret Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thanks, Daphne. I didn’t think TNG auto-imported source attachments, but I’ll have another look. D. Eze Wed, 07 Jan 2015 12:02:19 -0800 I've used the Next Generation software http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/Daphne Eze On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Has anyone been able to overcome Legacy’s inabilities to create webpages with Source pictures (a program feature, but currently not working in Legacy 8) and other multimedia files attached to Sources (not a feature of the software)? I’d like to be able to share my sourced family files on the internet, but am having trouble finding a way to do so. With thousands of sources and their attached images, documents, etc., manually uploading files one at a time to a webpage is not practical. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Contact Darrin directly at: dar...@lythgoes.net . Since he created it, he knows the answers to any question and usually responds within an hour! CE From: dwquig...@cox.net To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:11:26 -0800 Thanks, Daphne. I didn’t think TNG auto-imported source attachments, but I’ll have another look. D. Eze Wed, 07 Jan 2015 12:02:19 -0800 I've used the Next Generation software http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/Daphne Eze On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Has anyone been able to overcome Legacy’s inabilities to create webpages with Source pictures (a program feature, but currently not working in Legacy 8) and other multimedia files attached to Sources (not a feature of the software)? I’d like to be able to share my sourced family files on the internet, but am having trouble finding a way to do so. With thousands of sources and their attached images, documents, etc., manually uploading files one at a time to a webpage is not practical. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Don, Yes it does, e.g. http://turnermob.com/showsource.php?sourceID=S192tree=turner. Note. 1. Many would consider an overkill, but I create a legacy custom event 'Document' so that that it displays in legacy reports for the person, and on an individual person's web page: http://turnermob.com/getperson.php?personID=I245tree=turner 2. tng will not display the image as part of the sources listed at the bottom of the individual person's web page, but it does when you click on the particualr source ie. http://turnermob.com/showsource.php?sourceID=S192tree=turner. 3. I'm a splitter. 4. The web site is in the process of being updated, so not all documents have been uploaded to the web site. :) Margaret On 9 January 2015 at 07:11, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Thanks, Daphne. I didn't think TNG auto-imported source attachments, but I'll have another look. D. Eze Wed, 07 Jan 2015 12:02:19 -0800 I've used the Next Generation software http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/ Daphne Eze On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Has anyone been able to overcome Legacy's inabilities to create webpages with Source pictures (a program feature, but currently not working in Legacy 8) and other multimedia files attached to Sources (not a feature of the software)? I'd like to be able to share my sourced family files on the internet, but am having trouble finding a way to do so. With thousands of sources and their attached images, documents, etc., manually uploading files one at a time to a webpage is not practical. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
I've used the Next Generation software http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/ Daphne Eze On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Has anyone been able to overcome Legacy’s inabilities to create webpages with Source pictures (a program feature, but currently not working in Legacy 8) and other multimedia files attached to Sources (not a feature of the software)? I’d like to be able to share my sourced family files on the internet, but am having trouble finding a way to do so. With thousands of sources and their attached images, documents, etc., manually uploading files one at a time to a webpage is not practical. Donald W. Quigley 945 Halecrest Drive Escondido, CA 92025 dwquig...@cox.net 760-746-5887 (home) 925-367-5609 (cell) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
When I think of bells and whistles your googled answer is certainly what I think of : the things that something, especially a device or machine, has or does that are not necessary but that make it more exciting or interesting. A vehicle with navigation, USB outlets, tinted glass, sun roof, CD player etc., many things we use regularly, like computers, printers, software programs, some are basic and cost much less, but the extra bells and whistles is what we want if we can afford them. Syble in TX From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Wow. Learn something new every day. For us yanks, I fairly certain that the phrase bells and whistles means...wait, I just googled it... Usually I think it means extra enhancements which is a good thing. As I understand what Ron is saying is that the Brits think of it as not necessarily a good thing. -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:16 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Thank you Tessa. It may be a language problem. For us bells and whistles a lot of surplus stuff which most people do not require nor would use - program bloat. I can now see where you are coming from, although in my view webpages are much more than a selling feature. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Good to know I am not a total eejit as my granddad would say! And another reason why it is important to always ask for clarification - I am glad Ron did that because it helped clear up my comments. Thanks. Yesterday our Legacy Virtual Users' Group had our monthly Google+ hangout and one of the items we discussed was the various teasers by Geoff throughout the summer as well as what we were the most interested in as far as improvements and additions to Legacy. It is always interesting to hear what others think are important features. Our LVUG Community Google+ hangouts are on air and recorded for any Legacy users who might be interested. There is something about being able to talk with people or show how we do things (by sharing the screen) that helps. I also use some of the questions I see on this Forum and work through them in my Tuesday's Tips at the site - we are a group of Legacy users if any of you want to have a bit more interaction. I enjoy this Forum as well, as I am always learning something! Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com wrote: When I think of bells and whistles your googled answer is certainly what I think of : the things that something, especially a device or machine, has or does that are not necessary but that make it more exciting or interesting. A vehicle with navigation, USB outlets, tinted glass, sun roof, CD player etc., many things we use regularly, like computers, printers, software programs, some are basic and cost much less, but the extra bells and whistles is what we want if we can afford them. Syble in TX SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brian, Re: Nesting of tables. Of course I have reported it! For at least 9 years. Additionally, perhaps you are unaware that I am a Legacy Beta Tester, concentrating my efforts on checking the effects of program changes on web pages (the last bit I would not expect you to know). The rest of your post I have effectively answered elsewhere. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
It always amazes me, that whenever Legacy-produced websites are mentioned on this list, it results in a barrage of mail, and we soon are far removed from the original posting. Bernie asked Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Maybe the webpages are frosting to some people, but to others (including myself and Bernie) they've been a major factor in purchasing Legacy. Personally I'm not looking for a massive re-design and re-write - I'd be happy for some improvements in fonts and spacing after 9 years looking at the same old format. So why all the animosity and strife? Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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My apologies - My messages to the Group are being duplicated. I don't know why. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Mary, I don't think so, at least for me . It may be that your ISP is duplicating it. Have you also checked your email client settings. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
Ron Thanks for confirming that only one copy of my msgs is seen by the Group. Recently my Gmail Inbox has these duplicates (to this Group only AFAIK), and I wrongly assumed everyone was receiving them. It's a mystery!! Honestly, I don't know where to check my email client settings; I know I haven't knowingly changed anything. Mary On 19 September 2013 09:47, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Mary, I don't think so, at least for me . It may be that your ISP is duplicating it. Have you also checked your email client settings. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
Mary, I hadn't realised that you were using G-Mail. Although I do not use it myself it is my understanding that it lets the poster have a copy when it appears on the list (or something like that) Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
Ron is correct. The 1st email is your copy of the message sent to the user group. The second message is your message being sent out to the group from the list. Have a great day. Chris Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: Ron Thanks for confirming that only one copy of my msgs is seen by the Group. Recently my Gmail Inbox has these duplicates (to this Group only AFAIK), and I wrongly assumed everyone was receiving them. It's a mystery!! Honestly, I don't know where to check my email client settings; I know I haven't knowingly changed anything. Mary On 19 September 2013 09:47, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Mary, I don't think so, at least for me . It may be that your ISP is duplicating it. Have you also checked your email client settings. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
Mary, Gmail does not have an Outbox where sent messages are segregated from incoming mail. You are seeing both the copy of your sent mail and the incoming message from the list when viewing your mail in gmail. The list members only see your outgoing copy after it is relayed to the list members. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -- On 19/09/2013 6:31 AM, Mary Young wrote: Ron Thanks for confirming that only one copy of my msgs is seen by the Group. Recently my Gmail Inbox has these duplicates (to this Group only AFAIK), and I wrongly assumed everyone was receiving them. It's a mystery!! Honestly, I don't know where to check my email client settings; I know I haven't knowingly changed anything. Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
sorry to contradict - but receiving two copies (i.e. one to myself, and another as a Group Member) has not been gmail's usual behaviour. I've been a gmail user for years, and it's only started recently. I notice this thread was labelled twice, once for my LUG mail, and again as Forum. Forum seems to be a new Smart Category introduced recently. I've unticked it and hopefully the problem will go away :-) thanks for your help Mary Young On 19 September 2013 14:26, Chris Seens cseens1...@gmail.com wrote: Ron is correct. The 1st email is your copy of the message sent to the user group. The second message is your message being sent out to the group from the list. Have a great day. Chris Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: Ron Thanks for confirming that only one copy of my msgs is seen by the Group. Recently my Gmail Inbox has these duplicates (to this Group only AFAIK), and I wrongly assumed everyone was receiving them. It's a mystery!! Honestly, I don't know where to check my email client settings; I know I haven't knowingly changed anything. Mary On 19 September 2013 09:47, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Mary, I don't think so, at least for me . It may be that your ISP is duplicating it. Have you also checked your email client settings. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
Mary, I have been using gmail for years. If I send a message to any Legacy list, I receive a copy from Legacy, however, this is not the case with all mailing lists. If a I send a personal message I do not receive a copy. E.G. TNGs mailing list does not work the same as Legacy lists. When I send a message to TNGs mailing list I do not receive a copy and, by the way, have no idea if my email has reached the mailing list. Leonard Johnson-Källbom Team Leader Swedish Translation Team legacy8.swed...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: sorry to contradict - but receiving two copies (i.e. one to myself, and another as a Group Member) has not been gmail's usual behaviour. I've been a gmail user for years, and it's only started recently. I notice this thread was labelled twice, once for my LUG mail, and again as Forum. Forum seems to be a new Smart Category introduced recently. I've unticked it and hopefully the problem will go away :-) thanks for your help Mary Young On 19 September 2013 14:26, Chris Seens cseens1...@gmail.com wrote: Ron is correct. The 1st email is your copy of the message sent to the user group. The second message is your message being sent out to the group from the list. Have a great day. Chris Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: Ron Thanks for confirming that only one copy of my msgs is seen by the Group. Recently my Gmail Inbox has these duplicates (to this Group only AFAIK), and I wrongly assumed everyone was receiving them. It's a mystery!! Honestly, I don't know where to check my email client settings; I know I haven't knowingly changed anything. Mary On 19 September 2013 09:47, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Mary, I don't think so, at least for me . It may be that your ISP is duplicating it. Have you also checked your email client settings. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Duplicate Messages (was Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages)
i haven't solved this yet - but it's obviously not a LUG subject so will stop posting here about it. Thanks for comments received Mary Young On 19 September 2013 15:16, Leonard Johnson legacy8.swed...@gmail.comwrote: Mary, I have been using gmail for years. If I send a message to any Legacy list, I receive a copy from Legacy, however, this is not the case with all mailing lists. If a I send a personal message I do not receive a copy. E.G. TNGs mailing list does not work the same as Legacy lists. When I send a message to TNGs mailing list I do not receive a copy and, by the way, have no idea if my email has reached the mailing list. Leonard Johnson-Källbom Team Leader Swedish Translation Team legacy8.swed...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: sorry to contradict - but receiving two copies (i.e. one to myself, and another as a Group Member) has not been gmail's usual behaviour. I've been a gmail user for years, and it's only started recently. I notice this thread was labelled twice, once for my LUG mail, and again as Forum. Forum seems to be a new Smart Category introduced recently. I've unticked it and hopefully the problem will go away :-) thanks for your help Mary Young On 19 September 2013 14:26, Chris Seens cseens1...@gmail.com wrote: Ron is correct. The 1st email is your copy of the message sent to the user group. The second message is your message being sent out to the group from the list. Have a great day. Chris Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: Ron Thanks for confirming that only one copy of my msgs is seen by the Group. Recently my Gmail Inbox has these duplicates (to this Group only AFAIK), and I wrongly assumed everyone was receiving them. It's a mystery!! Honestly, I don't know where to check my email client settings; I know I haven't knowingly changed anything. Mary On 19 September 2013 09:47, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Mary, I don't think so, at least for me . It may be that your ISP is duplicating it. Have you also checked your email client settings. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
I think this is one of many times when customers say - if you are going to include something, make it a bells and whistles item, advertise that you have this feature - then perhaps you want to make sure the feature works as advertised, update the feature over time, and keep in mind the skill level of your customer base that you thought would use the feature. For those who program, code, make their own websites - they are not going to be using this feature. For others with little skills in this area (or little interest in learning the skill-set) they may have made their selection of Legacy (in part) due to its advertisement that it was providing the feature in a useful and pleasing format. Is Legacy first and foremost a genealogy database management program (that is a mouthful!)? YES but when you sell various features and potential customers compare the features - look at the various reports and reviews - you should deliver. I think Legacy does this but if the comment that was made was this is a feature with issues for the past nine years - this should either move up the suggestion chain and be improved OR not be a bells and whistles feature. Not to beat a dead horse but this was an issue with SourceWriter - which I think is great and use and LOVE, but a selling feature originally (and in the manual) was that you could switch your regular sources into SourceWriter - never worked, didn't happen and people new to the program (with the manual) still ask about it every so often. Perhaps not overselling is a good thing. Legacy does so many things well and is so intuitive, it should be enough to focus on the genealogy and make suggestions about other programs that do their little piece of the pie well. My two cents. Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Mary, SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
No Ron - you are missing my point (sorry if I was unclear). I think that webpages are an important selling feature and that being said, they should work as customers expect or would like them to. I think sometimes the various companies are in such a competition of sorts to get features added or improved (and I guess the customer base is encouraged to demand that) that sometimes the usefulness factor decreases or there is so much going on that improvements don't get made. Some features are treated a little like orphans once they are put into the program. Now it is up to the customer base to let the company know what we want and what doesn't work. But it is concerning to hear that something that does not work right or well, does not get fixed over a long period of time. Bells and whistles as I used it refers to plugging something as a selling point and then not providing it or providing less than what was promised - something that sounds good, is new and bright and shiny, but does not live up to hype (or does not live up to it over time - I don't expect perfection). Is that clearer or still a bit muddy? For the record, I think if there is a feature in a program, it should work. If it does not work it should be fixed or removed. I am a person who wants all the parts to work and play nicely together. Tessa Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Tessa, I confess that I am probably quite missing your point here. Are you saying that Legacy webpages are just bells and whistles? Do you apply that definition to reports and the publication centre? I agree that Legacy is genealogy program (although I prefer Family History), but what use is such a program if there is no output, just the data on a screen? Bells and whistles, definitely not, rather essential parts of the program. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Problem there being -- each customer expects or would like something different. There's more customers than programs. I have three criteria for my webpages -- they should load fast at 4800bps, be not-ugly, be reasonably grouped. So far, every program that has done any one of 'em doesn't do the other two. Then again, two of those are fairly subjective ... Cheryl Tessa Keough wrote: No Ron - you are missing my point (sorry if I was unclear). I think that webpages are an important selling feature and that being said, they should work as customers expect or would like them to. I think sometimes the various companies are in such a competition of sorts to get features added or improved (and I guess the customer base is encouraged to demand that) that sometimes the usefulness factor decreases or there is so much going on that improvements don't get made. Some features are treated a little like orphans once they are put into the program. Now it is up to the customer base to let the company know what we want and what doesn't work. But it is concerning to hear that something that does not work right or well, does not get fixed over a long period of time. Bells and whistles as I used it refers to plugging something as a selling point and then not providing it or providing less than what was promised - something that sounds good, is new and bright and shiny, but does not live up to hype (or does not live up to it over time - I don't expect perfection). Is that clearer or still a bit muddy? For the record, I think if there is a feature in a program, it should work. If it does not work it should be fixed or removed. I am a person who wants all the parts to work and play nicely together. Tessa Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Tessa, I confess that I am probably quite missing your point here. Are you saying that Legacy webpages are just bells and whistles? Do you apply that definition to reports and the publication centre? I agree that Legacy is genealogy program (although I prefer Family History), but what use is such a program if there is no output, just the data on a screen? Bells and whistles, definitely not, rather essential parts of the program. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Thank you Tessa. It may be a language problem. For us bells and whistles a lot of surplus stuff which most people do not require nor would use - program bloat. I can now see where you are coming from, although in my view webpages are much more than a selling feature. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ron and Cheryl This is not the first time I have misunderstood English (the British vs American kind). Then again I may have used the term incorrectly. Glad we are on the same page now. Thanks for pointing this out as I may have been unclear to others as well. Of course we are not going to get everything we want in any program, but I do think getting fonts to work in a webpage might be high on the list. Tessa Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Problem there being -- each customer expects or would like something different. There's more customers than programs. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Wow. Learn something new every day. For us yanks, I fairly certain that the phrase bells and whistles means...wait, I just googled it... the things that something, especially a device or machine, has or does that are not necessary but that make it more exciting or interesting. Usually I think it means extra enhancements which is a good thing. As I understand what Ron is saying is that the Brits think of it as not necessarily a good thing. -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:16 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Thank you Tessa. It may be a language problem. For us bells and whistles a lot of surplus stuff which most people do not require nor would use - program bloat. I can now see where you are coming from, although in my view webpages are much more than a selling feature. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Yup, that is what I am saying! But that is in the north, down south they may think differently :-). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Kathy, I have quite a bit of sympathy with what you say, and I agree with you that even the Pedigree pages are very basic. The most serious problem with the coding is that it uses HTML tables which are incorrectly nested. This is something which a quick run with TIDY can correct. At one time I used to correct this manually, and converted the sections which were important to me to CSS. As you will appreciate this was a time consuming exercise carried out at every update. Fortunately, Dennis, a Legacy user, wrote the LTools HTML tool which corrected the coding and as a bonus converts the lot to CSS. Problem solved! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brian, For some reason my response to your post, sent from my phone, does not seem to have made the list. Did I try this ahead of time? Well I suppose the answer is yes - some 11 or 12 years ago. I will not repeat what I have said elsewhere, but I do know how to code web pages using HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP, and HTML 5. The last time I checked the Legacy Pedigree webpages had around 50 errors. You say Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. Exactly, great if you wish to publish poor quality pages. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:38 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages What? Did you try this out ahead of time? First, the created Pedigree pages don't even use CSS at all. They rely solely on the supposedly outdated Font Size tags. But as I said, these tags work just fine with any browser. With that being said, try editing the HTML code for any of the names in a Pedigree box. The created pages all have Font Size=1 as a default so try increasing it to 2, or 3, or 4, or even 5. Since the data is text inside of a table box, what happens is WORD WRAP. The names or dates being edited will all still fit inside of a box, nothing is lost. Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. And what I am saying is that if the OP (or any other Legacy user) was taking the time and effort to learn how to modify the HTML code to increase font size, then that person would most likely learn about increasing the width of the table data box. That tag is very close to the Font Size tab and looks like TD Width=139. Making both tags have a larger number would result in exactly what the OP desired. But as mentioned before, the viewers can always zoom their own browser to view small text so Legacy users don't really have to learn how to edit HTML unless they want to add some of their own bells and whistles to the code such as background pictures, different colors, additional info, etc. I used to bemoan the fact that the created web pages in Legacy seemed too simplistic and lacked a lot of options but I have since changed my mind and feel that the Legacy programmers have taken the right approach. For the neophyte user, Legacy can quickly create useable web pages and get themselves exposed on the Internet as desired. Beyond that, the Legacy user would need to open door #2 or #3 and learn how to modify the created HTML code and Cascading Style Sheets. Those two doors are not within the realm of Legacy's purpose. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, You overlook one problem, if one increases the font size alone then for Pedigree pages, the names and details no longer fit in the boxes Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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-Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:38 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages What? Did you try this out ahead of time? First, the created Pedigree pages don't even use CSS at all. They rely solely on the supposedly outdated Font Size tags. But as I said, these tags work just fine with any browser. With that being said, try editing the HTML code for any of the names in a Pedigree box. The created pages all have Font Size=1 as a default so try increasing it to 2, or 3, or 4, or even 5. Since the data is text inside of a table box, what happens is WORD WRAP. The names or dates being edited will all still fit inside of a box, nothing is lost. Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. And what I am saying is that if the OP (or any other Legacy user) was taking the time and effort to learn how to modify the HTML code to increase font size, then that person would most likely learn about increasing the width of the table data box. That tag is very close to the Font Size tab and looks like TD Width=139. Making both tags have a larger number would result in exactly what the OP desired. But as mentioned before, the viewers can always zoom their own browser to view small text so Legacy users don't really have to learn how to edit HTML unless they want to add some of their own bells and whistles to the code such as background pictures, different colors, additional info, etc. I used to bemoan the fact that the created web pages in Legacy seemed too simplistic and lacked a lot of options but I have since changed my mind and feel that the Legacy programmers have taken the right approach. For the neophyte user, Legacy can quickly create useable web pages and get themselves exposed on the Internet as desired. Beyond that, the Legacy user would need to open door #2 or #3 and learn how to modify the created HTML code and Cascading Style Sheets. Those two doors are not within the realm of Legacy's purpose. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, You overlook one problem, if one increases the font size alone then for Pedigree pages, the names and details no longer fit in the boxes Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6676 - Release Date: 09/17/13 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 9/18/2013 4:20 AM, Mary Young wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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That would work. And you could put it into the boxes under the Project tab that comes up when you click on Create Web Page. ... or use it as a header so it'll be there on all pages? Cheryl Bernd Hornung wrote: That's why was considering option #.5, which is to add a note(s) to the leading pages explaining the use of control-shift-+ as an option if the viewer has problems seeing the page. I tested it and it stays at the level you choose when you switch pages. Thanks all, Bernie On 17/09/2013 12:59 PM, singhals wrote: IMO/IME, best to pick Door #1. If the webmaster fiddles with the font-sizes so they look good on his DogBrowser v16, they're not gonna fit on Vistor Blx's CatBrowser v6. Most folks with vision issues have their browser/monitor display options set for their own use. Cheryl Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: One does not NEED to use CSS. That's just another learning obstacle after learning the basics of HTML editing. One can safely throw out any mention of a CSS and revert back tofont size=14 tags (or similar sizes) within the actual HTML document. But just to be fair, the World Wide Consortium regards the use offont size tags to be outdated. But then again every web browser still supports the tag. In fact, go to the home page of LegacyFamilyTree.com and you'll find a mix of CSS and dozens offont size= tags within the home page. So, as mentioned, you can: (1) just leave the created HTML pages alone and let the viewers zoom in if they need (2) learn a little bit of HTML and increase font size where you feel necessary (using thefont size tag) (3) if you're a purist, then learn HTML and the use of CSS which allows for easy global changes to all of your HTML pages. To the OP, I'd vote for #1. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornungber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Yes, lordy! In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain vanilla websites may not win design awards or many likes but they DO transmit information. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Cheryl, Sorry, but it is not unrealistic. It is not too difficult to do, and I suspect a lot easier than dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's for the RTF report outputs. It seems to me that those of us who produce web pages are usually prepared to go the extra mile themselves to get the result which they require, and hence shout less than those who are into reports or books. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Kathy and Cheryl, I don't agree. In any good software development organization, there is a process for requirements engineering. The programmers do not necessarily have to be subject matter experts, but others in the organization take in all the inputs from marketing, sales, support, testing, and users and create specifications for new features, minor enhancements, and even non-trivial defect repairs. The programmers can help refine the specs, based on what is feasible, but they don't own the product requirements. And what are the requirements? I think that the LUG community mostly agrees that Millennia should not devote too much effort to things like word processing features and fancy web page design. But there is a difference between a 'plain vanilla' web site and one that is difficult to read. I realize that Millennia is a small shop and some of the above roles are combined. But something like unbalanced font sizes can be fixed if the people responsible for user requirements make it a priority. It doesn't matter if the programmer who first implemented it failed to appreciate that it looked bad, especially if the cause was a defect (e.g., incorrectly nested html tables). Ward -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:29 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Yes, lordy! In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain vanilla websites may not win design awards or many likes but they DO transmit information. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be more complicated). Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical
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For those unaware, I am a beta tester and the author of The Legacy Family. As Ron knows well, I tried to have the Legacy webpages updated to a fresher look back in November 2011. The results of which are still available on my site at http://www.easygensolutions.com/concept/index.html if anyone is still interested. Kathy Thompson's comment about spending 4 weeks to do the code was not far off the mark. I spent 2-3 mths tinkering with this just at a concept stage which still show all manner of bugs; but the purpose of it was to show the idea quickly. This post is simply a reminder that not everything falls on deaf ears, some of us do try to help make Legacy that little bit better. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 12:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Cheryl, Sorry, but it is not unrealistic. It is not too difficult to do, and I suspect a lot easier than dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's for the RTF report outputs. It seems to me that those of us who produce web pages are usually prepared to go the extra mile themselves to get the result which they require, and hence shout less than those who are into reports or books. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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For those of us that know little about web design, we look to the genealogy program to create our webpages, and I did so for quite some time, but each time I looked at them I was ashamed of them, the font size was a real frustration to me, the amount of options has had little change with each new Legacy, I started with Legacy 5 and have bought each update available. Sometime later I paid someone to design a website that I could add the Legacy web creation to. I finally contacted Ron Ferguson and he graciously helped me and told me about LTools, and it's like totally different web pages. I along with others have voiced our opinion numerous times, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. If Legacy doesn't want to include CSS etc., then why not try to work with a add on company that does. I personally don't use the add ons that are available even though I'm sure they are good, but I am offended when those that are not interested in better web page creation complain about those of us that do. I receive the Legacy User Group e-mails and probably 75% of those I'm not interested in, but I don't complain about them. We are all different and have different taste and as long as it's about Legacy we should respect others interest at least in my opinion. Syble From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Kathy, I have quite a bit of sympathy with what you say, and I agree with you that even the Pedigree pages are very basic. The most serious problem with the coding is that it uses HTML tables which are incorrectly nested. This is something which a quick run with TIDY can correct. At one time I used to correct this manually, and converted the sections which were important to me to CSS. As you will appreciate this was a time consuming exercise carried out at every update. Fortunately, Dennis, a Legacy user, wrote the LTools HTML tool which corrected the coding and as a bonus converts the lot to CSS. Problem solved! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ward, Purely in the interest of avoiding wasted discussion may I make it clear that the problems of font size are not connected at all with the incorrect nesting of tables. Problems due to nesting mainly arise when one wishes to enclose Legacy pages in headers and footers, or more seriously if a side column (eg. for an index) is created Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I have vision problems and the font sizes in the Legacy web pages have *never* been a problem for me. In the past I have viewed many other web pages that I've immediately left because the backgrounds were too busy, the colors were not contrasty enough or the fonts were too small... However, once I learned about the ctrl-scroll and zoom options to change the size of the fonts on the web pages, the fonts were never an issue again on any web page. And when the webpage is just plain not readable because of the busy backgrounds, bad color choices, etc, I go right to Options in my browser and select the accessibility options. It it's something I want to read badly enough After my eye surgery, I did need to have the accessibility options set all the time. A little frustrating because I did miss some well done design, but the important thing was that I could *read* the webpages, even when they were designed poorly. However some websites are so poorly designed that not even the accessibility options in the browser will help - not so with the webpages created in Legacy - they all work just fine for those with bad eyesight if the person just simply knows how to use their browser's accessibility options. I'm quickly learning that the majority of web designers have 20/20 vision and don't know what it's like for the rest of us (and maybe don't even care) so I need to do something from *my* end to make the pages work. What is beautiful to some is awful to others and what is awful to some looks just fine to another group. Beauty in a webpage is a very subjective thing. I'm grateful that I can at least change the browser when something doesn't quite work for me. Sadly I can't do the same thing when I can't read a magazine or newspaper article in print! For those of you who know a little or a lot about web design, I would strongly recommend that you study the articles at www.webaim.org to learn how to get your message across to more people than you are now. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com wrote: For those of us that know little about web design, we look to the genealogy program to create our webpages, and I did so for quite some time, but each time I looked at them I was ashamed of them, the font size was a real frustration to me, the amount of options has had little change with each new Legacy, I started with Legacy 5 and have bought each update available. Sometime later I paid someone to design a website that I could add the Legacy web creation to. I finally contacted Ron Ferguson and he graciously helped me and told me about LTools, and it's like totally different web pages. I along with others have voiced our opinion numerous times, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. If Legacy doesn't want to include CSS etc., then why not try to work with a add on company that does. I personally don't use the add ons that are available even though I'm sure they are good, but I am offended when those that are not interested in better web page creation complain about those of us that do.I receive the Legacy User Group e-mails and probably 75% of those I'm not interested in, but I don't complain about them.We are all different and have different taste and as long as it's about Legacy we should respect others interest at least in my opinion. Syble Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Mark, I also seem to remember you saying, maybe a couple of years earlier, that you didn't fancy re-inventing the wheel :-). It was around this time that in conjunction with another user, whose name escapes me, I evaluated in depth the nesting problem, and we submitted reports to Legacy. I am sure that we share the frustration of being no further on today. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I appreciate this post, I was not aware that anyone had worked on updating the webpage creation. Thanks at least for trying. Syble From: Mark Lang markl...@adam.com.au To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages For those unaware, I am a beta tester and the author of The Legacy Family. As Ron knows well, I tried to have the Legacy webpages updated to a fresher look back in November 2011. The results of which are still available on my site at http://www.easygensolutions.com/concept/index.htmlif anyone is still interested. Kathy Thompson's comment about spending 4 weeks to do the code was not far off the mark. I spent 2-3 mths tinkering with this just at a concept stage which still show all manner of bugs; but the purpose of it was to show the idea quickly. This post is simply a reminder that not everything falls on deaf ears, some of us do try to help make Legacy that little bit better. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 12:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Cheryl, Sorry, but it is not unrealistic. It is not too difficult to do, and I suspect a lot easier than dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's for the RTF report outputs. It seems to me that those of us who produce web pages are usually prepared to go the extra mile themselves to get the result which they require, and hence shout less than those who are into reports or books. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Perhaps not unreasonable, but probably unrealistic. I once ran a webpage through one of the verifiers and it detested each and every one of my alt-img tags; the page passed verification ONLY after I changed all the alt-img tags to eye candy. That was the last time I used a verifier. Cheryl Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I do agree with you, and I do not expect Legacy to produce a fully furnished website, anymore than I expect it to act as a word processor. However, I do not think it unreasonable to expect the web output to be bug free in exactly the same way as we expect the rtf output to be. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages I am still amazed by the number of people that believe that a genealogy program should also be a state of the art, do everything for me, web designer. If you want a pretty web page, learn how. There are plenty of sites available to learn enough to achieve that end. I prefer that my genealogy program concentrate on genealogy and set their programming resources to that end. For my web pages I massage the Legacy pages with some simple and basic HTML and they come out acceptable. I do believe in content first, fluff a distant second. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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You've mentioned this at least once before. Is it something that you've submitted a bug report about? Can you provide an example of Legacy creating such incorrectly nested tables. I've always imported my created pages into my own HTML editor and while I've noticed a lot of small errors such as missing closing tags, etc, I've never seen the issue with the tables. Either I've overlooked it or it's from a type of pages I've never created. Keep in mind that W3C regards the use of tables as outdated and recommends better constructs (DIV tags, etc.). I guess all of this sort of dates Legacy's created HTML as already somewhat out of date. Maybe they do need to look at this matter again and bump it up in priority before the competition starts creating pages with full HTML5 sound and video. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Ward, Purely in the interest of avoiding wasted discussion may I make it clear that the problems of font size are not connected at all with the incorrect nesting of tables. Problems due to nesting mainly arise when one wishes to enclose Legacy pages in headers and footers, or more seriously if a side column (eg. for an index) is created Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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The major question is - did you buy this as a genealogy program, or as a web site development program? I believe the programmers are going to serve their bread and butter first (genealogy) and anything else ( webpage development) second,. I also happen to be one of those who have worked for both software and website developers. Their needs and processes were much different from each other. I bought Legacy first to handle my genealogy needs - and anything else is frosting. Cheers! Jackie On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: Kathy and Cheryl, I don't agree. In any good software development organization, there is a process for requirements engineering. The programmers do not necessarily have to be subject matter experts, but others in the organization take in all the inputs from marketing, sales, support, testing, and users and create specifications for new features, minor enhancements, and even non-trivial defect repairs. The programmers can help refine the specs, based on what is feasible, but they don't own the product requirements. And what are the requirements? I think that the LUG community mostly agrees that Millennia should not devote too much effort to things like word processing features and fancy web page design. But there is a difference between a 'plain vanilla' web site and one that is difficult to read. I realize that Millennia is a small shop and some of the above roles are combined. But something like unbalanced font sizes can be fixed if the people responsible for user requirements make it a priority. It doesn't matter if the programmer who first implemented it failed to appreciate that it looked bad, especially if the cause was a defect (e.g., incorrectly nested html tables). Ward -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:29 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages Yes, lordy! In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain vanilla websites may not win design awards or many likes but they DO transmit information. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web designers. The two professions are totally different really - asking a programmer to build a website would be like asking the toaster to make the bread. But yes, there are people out there who have the brain skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we don't have them on our Legacy team. From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also knowing how many different browsers there are and how often they change and update, and how many different screen sizes and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I feel that although the website they have created is basic, it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage display of a family tree. They have provided us with the ability to have a surname index that links directly to each possible person, they've provided us with different pages for each generation, they've even provided us with the ability to customise background colour and different images for different reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or suppressed. If I personally sat down and created these pages from scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4 weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure it worked with different sizes and configurations of family trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers, operating systems and monitor sizes. And that's without then writing it all into the program so it can do it all for us in less than a minute. Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here, I am sorry, but having done University studies in both programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going through, and nagging really doesn't help. On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire web page. By the time the text in Family Links is readable, the headers go from large to ridiculously large etc. .. My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes annoying from day one - as have others posting to the Group. The problem could best be addressed by the programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter
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Thanks all, As usual there is no easy fix and I am not comfortable with messing around in CSS. I use a very simple WYSIWYG editor for my main pages, not very sophisticated but serves the purpose. I did not know about control-shift +. I have tried several ged to html editors and they each have their own pluses and minuses. I especially like one that indicates the direct relationship to a root person, much like Legacy does in the program but is missing in the webpages. I will do as your tutorial suggests, Ron, and make a small set and play with the CSS until it comes out the way I like (or not -lol). Happy hunting, Bernie On 16/09/2013 8:54 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Sorry, that should read WUL Yahoo Group (Web Users Legacy). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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One does not NEED to use CSS. That's just another learning obstacle after learning the basics of HTML editing. One can safely throw out any mention of a CSS and revert back to font size=14 tags (or similar sizes) within the actual HTML document. But just to be fair, the World Wide Consortium regards the use of font size tags to be outdated. But then again every web browser still supports the tag. In fact, go to the home page of LegacyFamilyTree.com and you'll find a mix of CSS and dozens of font size= tags within the home page. So, as mentioned, you can: (1) just leave the created HTML pages alone and let the viewers zoom in if they need (2) learn a little bit of HTML and increase font size where you feel necessary (using the font size tag) (3) if you're a purist, then learn HTML and the use of CSS which allows for easy global changes to all of your HTML pages. To the OP, I'd vote for #1. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brian, You overlook one problem, if one increases the font size alone then for Pedigree pages, the names and details no longer fit in the boxes Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Bernie, I really do suggest looking at LTools as well, it is easy to use and only costs around $10 Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Thanks all, As usual there is no easy fix and I am not comfortable with messing around in CSS. I use a very simple WYSIWYG editor for my main pages, not very sophisticated but serves the purpose. I did not know about control-shift +. I have tried several ged to html editors and they each have their own pluses and minuses. I especially like one that indicates the direct relationship to a root person, much like Legacy does in the program but is missing in the webpages. I will do as your tutorial suggests, Ron, and make a small set and play with the CSS until it comes out the way I like (or not -lol). Happy hunting, Bernie On 16/09/2013 8:54 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Sorry, that should read WUL Yahoo Group (Web Users Legacy). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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IMO/IME, best to pick Door #1. If the webmaster fiddles with the font-sizes so they look good on his DogBrowser v16, they're not gonna fit on Vistor Blx's CatBrowser v6. Most folks with vision issues have their browser/monitor display options set for their own use. Cheryl Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: One does not NEED to use CSS. That's just another learning obstacle after learning the basics of HTML editing. One can safely throw out any mention of a CSS and revert back tofont size=14 tags (or similar sizes) within the actual HTML document. But just to be fair, the World Wide Consortium regards the use offont size tags to be outdated. But then again every web browser still supports the tag. In fact, go to the home page of LegacyFamilyTree.com and you'll find a mix of CSS and dozens offont size= tags within the home page. So, as mentioned, you can: (1) just leave the created HTML pages alone and let the viewers zoom in if they need (2) learn a little bit of HTML and increase font size where you feel necessary (using thefont size tag) (3) if you're a purist, then learn HTML and the use of CSS which allows for easy global changes to all of your HTML pages. To the OP, I'd vote for #1. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornungber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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That's why was considering option #.5, which is to add a note(s) to the leading pages explaining the use of control-shift-+ as an option if the viewer has problems seeing the page. I tested it and it stays at the level you choose when you switch pages. Thanks all, Bernie On 17/09/2013 12:59 PM, singhals wrote: IMO/IME, best to pick Door #1. If the webmaster fiddles with the font-sizes so they look good on his DogBrowser v16, they're not gonna fit on Vistor Blx's CatBrowser v6. Most folks with vision issues have their browser/monitor display options set for their own use. Cheryl Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: One does not NEED to use CSS. That's just another learning obstacle after learning the basics of HTML editing. One can safely throw out any mention of a CSS and revert back tofont size=14 tags (or similar sizes) within the actual HTML document. But just to be fair, the World Wide Consortium regards the use offont size tags to be outdated. But then again every web browser still supports the tag. In fact, go to the home page of LegacyFamilyTree.com and you'll find a mix of CSS and dozens offont size= tags within the home page. So, as mentioned, you can: (1) just leave the created HTML pages alone and let the viewers zoom in if they need (2) learn a little bit of HTML and increase font size where you feel necessary (using thefont size tag) (3) if you're a purist, then learn HTML and the use of CSS which allows for easy global changes to all of your HTML pages. To the OP, I'd vote for #1. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornungber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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What? Did you try this out ahead of time? First, the created Pedigree pages don't even use CSS at all. They rely solely on the supposedly outdated Font Size tags. But as I said, these tags work just fine with any browser. With that being said, try editing the HTML code for any of the names in a Pedigree box. The created pages all have Font Size=1 as a default so try increasing it to 2, or 3, or 4, or even 5. Since the data is text inside of a table box, what happens is WORD WRAP. The names or dates being edited will all still fit inside of a box, nothing is lost. Of course, the word wrapped names may not look so nice on the finished page. And what I am saying is that if the OP (or any other Legacy user) was taking the time and effort to learn how to modify the HTML code to increase font size, then that person would most likely learn about increasing the width of the table data box. That tag is very close to the Font Size tab and looks like TD Width=139. Making both tags have a larger number would result in exactly what the OP desired. But as mentioned before, the viewers can always zoom their own browser to view small text so Legacy users don't really have to learn how to edit HTML unless they want to add some of their own bells and whistles to the code such as background pictures, different colors, additional info, etc. I used to bemoan the fact that the created web pages in Legacy seemed too simplistic and lacked a lot of options but I have since changed my mind and feel that the Legacy programmers have taken the right approach. For the neophyte user, Legacy can quickly create useable web pages and get themselves exposed on the Internet as desired. Beyond that, the Legacy user would need to open door #2 or #3 and learn how to modify the created HTML code and Cascading Style Sheets. Those two doors are not within the realm of Legacy's purpose. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages Brian, You overlook one problem, if one increases the font size alone then for Pedigree pages, the names and details no longer fit in the boxes Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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While one is tackling the CSS learning curve, there is a quick fix for the tiny font in the Family Links Box, which is hard to read without zooming in. Use an html text editor (e.g. PSPad free download) and run a global search'n'replace: search for size=-2 replace with size=-1 Of course, the fix must be applied again whenever the Pedigree Pages are generated. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Just use Control + to make it larger and Control - to make it smaller To perm change you will need to find the CSS style that sets the font size. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Just as the other reply mentioned, viewers of your web page would have no problem reading any small fonts because all they would need to do is to hit Control+ when using a PC based web browser. If you wish, you can learn a whole new technology and start editing your own web pages and you can increase the font size permanently. As mentioned you can learn about Cascading Style Sheets or just direct editing of the page. But I doubt if you really wanted to get side-tracked into this so just rest assured that the small fonts can be increased by any viewer of the page. In other words, no further action by you is needed. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Bernd Hornung [mailto:ber@telus.net] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Webpages Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Adjusting the CSS and HTML files of the webpages would likely be the only way to do this. CSS to adjust the font size, HTML to remove the extra spaces - depending on how Legacy creates their webpages of course. It may put the CSS in the header area of the HTML and minimise the files. On 17 September 2013 11:19, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Just use Control + to make it larger and Control - to make it smaller To perm change you will need to find the CSS style that sets the font size. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Webpages
Sorry, that should read WUL Yahoo Group (Web Users Legacy). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Bernie, As others have mentioned you need to use CSS to change the details of the Legacy Pedigree web pages. At one time I used to do this manually but now LTools has a conversion tool which changes the HTML to CSS automatically, and I can throughly recommend this product. I too didn't like the font size nor the spacings and now adjust these using LTools. Additional information on its use Is given in the Tutorial section of my website, and help on all aspects of Legacy web pages can be found on LUG Yahoo Group. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: Is there any way to increase the font size on generated webpages? I feel there is too much blank space and much of the text is difficult to read, especially the family links on the right hand side. I've looked through all the tabs and cannot find any reference to fonts. I don't know how much priority this is for the programers but is one of the main reasons I purchased Legacy, especially with the imbedding of images. Thanks, Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
