Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Mark,

Secondary and tertiary conditions only apply after the previous searches have 
been completed (see Help Files), so try reversing the order of the searches.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Mark Wilby
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark

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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mark Wilby
Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/11/2011 10:26, Mark Wilby wrote:
 Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search
 page and tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say
 “look for whom”, so maybe you can only search for an individual who has
 criteria 1 and/or criteria 2. What I need to do is search for an event
 with these criteria. Can this be done? I’m beginning to think not.

Yes, I have encountered this problem before.  It is a deficiency in the
Legacy Search I think.

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/11/09 11:01, Mark Wilby wrote:

 What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific
 date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 
 and
 an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
 and
 all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?

In trying to get a handle on what is actually happening here, I added a single
event to a single person. The event-name doesn't matter, but the description,
date and location fields were 'what', 'when' and 'Where'.

I then tried searching for an individual with an Event-Date Equal To when. The
search came up with 15 individuals and excluded the individual to whom the
solitary event was added. What was significant about the 15 individuals was they
all had at least one event that had no date.

Obviously, there are some non-logical things going on with the Legacy Search!

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Mark,

Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Mark Wilby
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark


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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Ron, Mark

I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for an 
individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific date that 
has a specific description.

Alan

From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:46
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark



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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/11/2011 11:53, Alan Pereira wrote:
 I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for
 an individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific
 date that has a specific description.

Not quite!  I have individuals who all appeared in the 1911 Census.
They all have several Events with the specific name England Census and
some of them have Descriptions which include Clerk.

If I search for Individual with EventName equals England Census AND
EventDate equal 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk I DO
NOT get ONLY those people whose 1911 England Census includes Clerk, but
I get all those who have England Census Events, one of which is dated 02
April 1911 and any of which might contain Clerk.

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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Wow!  That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.  I had not 
come across this problem, which explains my not understanding.  My apologies to 
all.
I guess building more complex searches via tagging is out then!
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 12:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

On 09/11/2011 11:53, Alan Pereira wrote:
 I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search
 for an individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a
 specific date that has a specific description.

Not quite!  I have individuals who all appeared in the 1911 Census.
They all have several Events with the specific name England Census and some of 
them have Descriptions which include Clerk.

If I search for Individual with EventName equals England Census AND EventDate 
equal 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk I DO NOT get ONLY those 
people whose 1911 England Census includes Clerk, but I get all those who have 
England Census Events, one of which is dated 02 April 1911 and any of which 
might contain Clerk.

--
Jenny M Benson


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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Mark Wilby
Yes Alan



But you get a mixture of both search criteria as well.



mark



From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:53
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Ron, Mark

I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for an 
individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific date that 
has a specific description.

Alan

From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:46
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark



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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Mark,

If you take the search results and tag them say with tag 1, then use tag1 as 
the first criteria and one of your criteria as the second condition, does that 
change the result.

Alan



From: Mark Wilby [mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com]
Sent: 09 November 2011 12:32
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Yes Alan



But you get a mixture of both search criteria as well.



mark



From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:53
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Ron, Mark

I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search for an 
individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a specific date that 
has a specific description.

Alan

From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 11:46
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



Ah, that is the bit which I did not get! No, you cannot search for a single 
Event. All Detailed searches are for Individuals or Marriages.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:26 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi Ron,



Yes you understand the problem well. I had another look at the search page and 
tried to think a bit deeper. The primary condition does say “look for whom”, so 
maybe you can only search for an individual who has criteria 1 and/or criteria 
2. What I need to do is search for an event with these criteria. Can this be 
done? I’m beginning to think not.



Regards Mark



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 10:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Mark,



My apologies, after posting I realised that my answer just does not make sense 
when only two conditions are applied – it is valid for a third though.



I have tried searching as you suggest for gardeners in the 1901 census and 8 
were found, so I am not getting the results which you indicate ie. all 
individuals with an Event-Date of 1901 (irrespective of Event Description) and 
all individuals with an Event-Description of ‘gardener’ (irrespective of date), 
which is what I understand your question to mean.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Mark Wilby mailto:mark.wil...@sky.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:01 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] doing an event search



Hi folks,



What I am trying to do is search for a single event that contains a specific 
date AND description. But when I search, for example, an event date of 1841 and 
an event description of “not looked for”, the search returns all 1841 events 
and all events with the description of “not looked for”. Can any kind soul help?



Regards Mark



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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:24:50 -, Alan Pereira
alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.

No, it is working properly ... just not the way you expect.

In English, Jenny's query looks something like...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England
Census AND with an event where EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND
with an event where EventDescription contains Clerk.

If an individual had 3 events as follows...

1) EventName England Census
EventDate 02 April 1891
EventDescription Smith

2) EventName Residence
EventDate 02 April 1911
EventDescription 123 Mayfair

3) EventName Occupation
EventDate 02 April 1901
EventDescription Clerk

... the individual would be selected.

What she really wanted was...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England
Census AND EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription
contains Clerk.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/11/2011 12:36, Alan Pereira wrote:
 If you take the search results and tag them say with tag 1, then use
 tag1 as the first criteria and one of your criteria as the second
 condition, does that change the result.

Because you can only search on Individuals or Marriages, you can't look
for a particular Event with a particular criterion, only for an
Individual who has both that Event and *an* Event with that criterion -
which may or may not be the same Event.

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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pereira
Jenny, Dennis
Thank you for clearing that up, I got there in the end.
Even breaking the query down with advanced tagging will end up with the same 
results.
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: 09 November 2011 13:16
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:24:50 -, Alan Pereira
alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.

No, it is working properly ... just not the way you expect.

In English, Jenny's query looks something like...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England Census AND 
with an event where EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND with an event where 
EventDescription contains Clerk.

If an individual had 3 events as follows...

1) EventName England Census
EventDate 02 April 1891
EventDescription Smith

2) EventName Residence
EventDate 02 April 1911
EventDescription 123 Mayfair

3) EventName Occupation
EventDate 02 April 1901
EventDescription Clerk

... the individual would be selected.

What she really wanted was...

Find all individuals with an event where EventName equals England Census AND 
EventDate equals 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk.

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Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:44:52 -, Alan Pereira
alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Even breaking the query down with advanced tagging will end up with the same 
results.

You can do it with Access or LTools. Using Jenny's example, the query
would look something like ...

SELECT tblIR.IDIR AS RIN
FROM (tblET INNER JOIN tblER ON tblET.IDET = tblER.IDET) INNER JOIN
tblIR ON tblER.IDIR = tblIR.IDIR
WHERE (((tblET.EventType)=England Census) AND ((tblER.IDType)=0) AND
((tblER.Description)=Clerk) AND ((tblER.EventD) Like 0002041860*));

This query has not been tested thoroughly.

If you wanted to tag the individuals on Tag1...

UPDATE (tblET INNER JOIN tblER ON tblET.IDET = tblER.IDET) INNER JOIN
tblIR ON tblER.IDIR = tblIR.IDIR SET tblIR.Tag1 = 1
WHERE (((tblET.EventType)=England Census) AND ((tblER.IDType)=0) AND
((tblER.Description)=Clerk) AND ((tblER.EventD) Like 0002041860*));

Again, not tested thoroughly.

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RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

2011-11-09 Thread Robert Austen
Hi Mark, and others,

I think you will find that the 'And' operator is working properly.  The problem 
is not being able to select a specific event when using 'Event Description' as 
one of the parameters.


If you select
1. 'Event-Name' 'Equal To' 1911 census
2. AND 'Event-Description'of 'Not Equal To' 'blank'

... it will return the expected results ONLY if there are no other events in 
that record.

In other words, if you have any number of records with more than one event, 
including '1911 census', the second 'AND' condition looks at all the events in 
that record, not just the event equal to '1911 census'.

There is no way to narrow down the search to find only the '1911 census' with 
no data (or specific data) in the Event Description field.

Note, too, that the 'Event Description' is different from 'Notes' contained in 
the Event.

Hope I was able to explain it properly.

Bob



-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 4:25 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

Wow!  That suggests the AND operators are not working properly.  I had not 
come across this problem, which explains my not understanding.  My apologies to 
all.
I guess building more complex searches via tagging is out then!
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: 09 November 2011 12:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] doing an event search

On 09/11/2011 11:53, Alan Pereira wrote:
 I am struggling to understand the problem.  In search you can search
 for an individual who has a specific event name which occurred on a
 specific date that has a specific description.

Not quite!  I have individuals who all appeared in the 1911 Census.
They all have several Events with the specific name England Census and some of 
them have Descriptions which include Clerk.

If I search for Individual with EventName equals England Census AND EventDate 
equal 02 April 1911 AND EventDescription contains Clerk I DO NOT get ONLY those 
people whose 1911 England Census includes Clerk, but I get all those who have 
England Census Events, one of which is dated 02 April 1911 and any of which 
might contain Clerk.

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