[OSM-legal-talk] License Change Status?
Hi, what's the status of the license change plans? Have they run aground - I had been told a few months ago that a new release of Jordan's draft would be imminent. What's more, the license itself - about which we'll hear at SOTM - is only one little piece of the puzzle. The whole transition process - which, correct me if I'm wrong, is not scheduled to be discussed at SOTM at all - is surely as difficult. Will we attempt to employ legal tricks to re-license work of people who don't respond to our license change spam email? What exactly will we delete if people say no to the license change? (It has been said that even the pub on the street corner may be a work derived from the road data... and vice versa.) How many people have to say no for us to stop the change altogether? What would we do then, stick with CC-BY-SA and hope nobody notices? After a license change, would we keep a parallel universe a.k.a. fork of OSM holding the old, not-relicensed data until the wounds in the new data set have healed? Is it possible that this whole transition process and the associated questions are such a delicate matter that everybody prefers not to think about it, much less talk about it? That would be very well understandable but at the same time dangerous. It seems clear to me that the current license works only as long as people don't look closely. Need I say that, had we decided to simply go PD when last year's SOTM panel found that there was broad support for it, we would now be one happy project with all the legal hassles out of the way? It's not to late to see the light! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change Status?
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, what's the status of the license change plans? Have they run aground - I had been told a few months ago that a new release of Jordan's draft would be imminent. What's more, the license itself - about which we'll hear at SOTM - is only one little piece of the puzzle. The whole transition process - which, correct me if I'm wrong, is not scheduled to be discussed at SOTM at all - is surely as difficult. Will we attempt to employ legal tricks to re-license work of people who don't respond to our license change spam email? What exactly will we delete if people say no to the license change? (It has been said that even the pub on the street corner may be a work derived from the road data... and vice versa.) How many people have to say no for us to stop the change altogether? What would we do then, stick with CC-BY-SA and hope nobody notices? After a license change, would we keep a parallel universe a.k.a. fork of OSM holding the old, not-relicensed data until the wounds in the new data set have healed? Is it possible that this whole transition process and the associated questions are such a delicate matter that everybody prefers not to think about it, much less talk about it? That would be very well understandable but at the same time dangerous. It seems clear to me that the current license works only as long as people don't look closely. Need I say that, had we decided to simply go PD when last year's SOTM panel found that there was broad support for it, we would now be one happy project with all the legal hassles out of the way? It's not to late to see the light! Hi Frederik, being new to the legals-list, I tried to search on the wiki I found this link: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=262 Does still sum up the situation well? What alternatives do exist? Would a more clear explanation on the alternatives and maybe an informal poll (through a webtool) among contributors help find feelings of the contributors and allow the Foundation to take a wise decision that is best community-backed (or see if further details need explanation to the community)? Kind regards, Stefan Neufeind ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change Status?
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: At least that was the idea when the ODbL and OFIL licenses came along. I'm eager to review the modifications and changes done to those licenses. ...which I hope should be at SOTM at the very latest! With particular relevance to this question, there is a new section 4.7: 4.7 Reverse Engineering. For the avoidance of doubt, Using the whole or a Substantial part of the Data to produce a work (a produced work), and then re-creating the whole or a Substantial part of the Data from the produced work comes under the terms of this Licence. On a wider note, I don't intend to stand for reelection to OSMF this summer, and it would be great if one or two people with the energy to take this forward were to present themselves for election. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change Status
Hi, On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 11:38:09AM -0400, John Wilbanks wrote: I'm still lurking on this list - rather than demagogue the issue, I'm mainly watching the comments and trying to learn from them. I was referring to myself when I wrote about exaggerated preaching on the pro-PD side (which any talk-legal regular probably understood). I found your statements in this discussion to be rather matter-of-fact. Thus, I think that the Share Alike choice on data is a closed choice in disguise I find that lots of people are advocating more closed approaches in many parts of the project (e.g. forcing people to stick to certain tagging rules or mapping techniques, forcing edits through a review process, defining centrally which WMS backgrounds are allowable and which aren't, etc.). Maybe the world is just not ready for truly open geodata ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
