Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

 It is very likely that none of the data we collect now will still be
 used 20 years from now, because by then everything is so networked and
 fully automatic and we have high resolution satellite images of
 everywhere etc. etc. - will I then sit there and think it was all for
 naught?
 
 I doubt it. I think the value of maps will only continue to rise.
 Except, looking into the future 3D maps is where its going to be at.

Maybe a misunderstanding here. I don't doubt that maps will be 
everywhere. I just doubt it will be *our* maps or something derived from 
them.

 Surely not, because the availability of free data *now* makes
 sure that the market value of geodata goes down (makes ist more likely
 that government agencies will provide them free), and also encourages
 people to develop interesting techniques and software to work with that
 data.
 
 Er, I'm sure you mean the market cost of geodata. (How much it costs
 to obtain maps)
 
 The market value (how much people would pay for them, if they had to
 pay) isn't going down anytime soon.

Correct, that's what I meant. (I still think that Teleatlas  Co. will 
see the value of their products decrease, i.e. the amount of money they 
can make from them.)

 I think the biggest risk to the data becoming obsoleted is the current
 license. Its nigh-on impossible for anyone to build on OSM at the
 moment without fear of being sued. 

Any share-alike license where the individuals remain the rights-holders 
of data they contribute does theoretically open the possibility for any 
contributing individual suing any user for perceived breach of license. 
Whether this is a problem depends (a) on the risk-adversity of the 
potential user, (b) on the lunacy of the contributor and (c) on the 
amount of room our license leaves for interpretation (e.g. what is a 
derived work, what is proper attribution).

In an earlier discussion somebody suggested that the Foundation draw up 
a sort of pledge saying: While the license technically does not affect 
the Foundation - it only affects the user of the data and the 
contributor granting the license -, the foundation interprets the 
license as follows:  And will stick to this interpretation if called 
upon in legal matters. - Such a statement would at least enable the 
potential users to know whether they'd have the foundation on their side 
in case they get sued by a contributor.

I'm setting a Followup to legal-talk as such things aren't generally of 
interest to people on talk.

Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-legal-talk] Using a map on a sign

2008-08-03 Thread Matthias Rötsch
Hello list,
I am wondering if I can use this sign and others for a draft map and for
streetnames:
http://m.roetsch.dasevil.de/up/Karte_Sehl.jpeg  [143KiB]
In my opinion Panoramafreiheit (freedom of panorama) applies.
The map is placed in public and it is painted directly on the metal
plate, so it is permanent.
The problem may be, that it is not my intention to reproduce this map
exactly, which is allowed, but to create another map.

Greetings
Matthias


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