Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-06 Thread Nick Hocking
Hendrik wrote

There is the possibility to declare a changeset als OK

Hi Hendrik,

In this case it is essential to actually get rid of the maxspeed tags.

The bot used a completly wrong algorithm and the data is dangerously
wrong.  Just today I drove down a high traffic road where OSM
(curtesy of the bot) had the wrong max speed).

So long as the DWG can remove the bots work without removing
subsequent good edits to that way then I think they should do it
now. Failing this I would love the OSM inspector to be able to
ignore these edits so thay I can see what actual damage will
occur to the OSM data and hopefully prevent it.


Cheers
Nick
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-06 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 01/06/12 11:38, Nick Hocking wrote:

In this case it is essential to actually get rid of the maxspeed tags.
The bot used a completly wrong algorithm and the data is dangerously
wrong.  Just today I drove down a high traffic road where OSM
(curtesy of the bot) had the wrong max speed).


It is possible to remove these bot contributions without affecting later 
edits. The OSM inspector would then, after a while, pick up the fact 
that the current version of the object retains no properties that were 
added by the license disagreer, and mark the objects as harmless 
(unless there are other problems).


Is there a consensus in the Australian communitiy that these tags are 
worthless and should be removed?


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-06 Thread Nick Hocking
Frederik wrote

Is there a consensus in the Australian communitiy that these tags are
worthless and should be removed



How many votes do I need :-)

The extent of the Australian community is unclear to me due to
recent problems.

However  these edits will have to be removed eventually since
both bot owners have made it 100% clear that they will not
change from decliners to acceptors, and even if they did their
bot edits could be reapplied.

The bottom line is that, in order to visualise what roads need
remapping now, to save some good edit's information and to
prevent major map degredation if roads or connections
disappear, it is necessary to see below the maxspeed
edits.

I can see only two ways to do this.

1) Remove the edits.

2) Get OSM Inspector to ignore them.

Either way would be equally good for me to allow me to
prepare well for licence changeover.

Nick
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-06 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 01/06/12 12:08, Nick Hocking wrote:

Is there a consensus in the Australian communitiy that these tags are
worthless and should be removed
How many votes do I need :-)


Well, nobody shouting stop, stop, these tags are useful to me! would 
already be a start.



I can see only two ways to do this.
1) Remove the edits.
2) Get OSM Inspector to ignore them.


Both will require that we identify all the changesets first. Can you 
sketch the selection criteria in natural language? Something like all 
changesets between X and Y in the Z bounding box by user(s) ABC that 
have more than N edits and a comment text of T and where all edits are 
adding a maxspeed tag or whatever.


Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-06 Thread Nick Hocking
Frederik wrote

Well, nobody shouting stop, stop, these tags are useful to me! would
already be a start.


Although the usefullness(or correctness) of these tags is not being
discussed in talk-au, there appears to be a concensus (7-0)
about removing them now.

Tomorrow and Sunday, I'll trawl through their changesets to
identify each and every one. It'll take about 10 or so hours
(I think) to accurately pin them all down, so I'll have to fit it
in around some other activities.

Nick
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