Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 01/06/12 13:13, Nick Hocking wrote:

Although the usefullness(or correctness) of these tags is not being
discussed in talk-au, there appears to be a concensus (7-0)
about removing them now.


Ok, I've discussed this off-list with Nick and did a test run for 1000 
(of roughly a quarter million) ways. Here is one example touched by the 
script:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4018604

The license change view has picked up that this way doesn't carry any of 
JohnSmith's changes any longer and therefore it is now colored yellow:


http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=151.94918lat=-27.56668zoom=17

Of course one can simply switch off the yellow stuff with the check box 
on the left if one finds it confusing - yellow is just a way for OSMI to 
tell you that it considers this way OK based in its own reckoning rather 
than because it has a squeaky clean history.


If people are happy with that, I will run the script for the remaining 
ways. But don't expect miracles - it's a lot of data and it will take 
one or two weeks to complete.


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia

2012-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/13 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
 Ok, I've discussed this off-list with Nick and did a test run for 1000 (of
 roughly a quarter million) ways. Here is one example touched by the script:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4018604


Nice, this will also significantly change the relation between
maxspeed:source (mainly John Smith) and the earlier and by
presumbaly more different users attached source:maxspeed
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/maxspeed:source#values
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/source:maxspeed#values

cheers,
Martin

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[OSM-legal-talk] Way with almost nothing left but created by decliner

2012-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

   here's an interesting example from the German forum. A way that was 
created by a decliner but later edited by 10 others; of everything the 
decliner originally created, only the very first node remains, 
everything else has been lost in the editing process.


OSMI duly paints this way in red - created by decliner, no chance of 
survival.


Maybe we need some sort of soft(er) approach for cases like this. Of all 
the information currently present in that way, less than 5% are remnants 
of what the decliner originally created, still we allow them to decide 
the fate of the whole object.


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Way with almost nothing left but created by decliner

2012-01-13 Thread Simon Poole



Am 13.01.2012 23:42, schrieb Frederik Ramm:

Hi,

   here's an interesting example from the German forum. A way that was 
created by a decliner but later edited by 10 others; of everything the 
decliner originally created, only the very first node remains, 
everything else has been lost in the editing process.


OSMI duly paints this way in red - created by decliner, no chance of 
survival.


Instead of starting yet another thread on the subject on the German 
forum, the OP could have naturally simply remapped the way, which would 
have assured it 100% chance of survival .



Simon


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Way with almost nothing left but created by decliner

2012-01-13 Thread LM_1
Even if one way has been spotted and remapped, there might be many
similar cases that were not spotted and could not be remapped. If
there is a row of new CT compatible nodes, anything between them
should be considered clean - there is no authorship of the creator of
the original way...
LM_1

2012/1/13 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch:


 Am 13.01.2012 23:42, schrieb Frederik Ramm:

 Hi,

   here's an interesting example from the German forum. A way that was
 created by a decliner but later edited by 10 others; of everything the
 decliner originally created, only the very first node remains, everything
 else has been lost in the editing process.

 OSMI duly paints this way in red - created by decliner, no chance of
 survival.

 Instead of starting yet another thread on the subject on the German forum,
 the OP could have naturally simply remapped the way, which would have
 assured it 100% chance of survival .


 Simon



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