[OSM-legal-talk] Signing of Contributor Terms

2012-04-16 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi All,

Would it be possible to have someone sign the contributor terms rather
than login to accept them?

If I understand things correctly if I am talking to a data provider
who has released their data ODbL they would still need to accept the
contributor terms to allow the relicensing of the data at some point?
Is this correct?

To follow in the import guidelines better I think rather than having
them login and dump the data into OSM it would be better to have a
copy of the contributor terms to be signed for that data set.  With
governments giving them an actual physical document would likely be
the easiest. Then the OpenStreetMap community could decide what to do
with that data since it would be licensed appropriately and have
contributor terms associated with it.

Best,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Signing of Contributor Terms

2012-04-16 Thread David Groom



- Original Message - 
From: Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com

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Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Signing of Contributor Terms



Hi All,

Would it be possible to have someone sign the contributor terms rather
than login to accept them?

If I understand things correctly if I am talking to a data provider
who has released their data ODbL they would still need to accept the
contributor terms to allow the relicensing of the data at some point?
Is this correct?



I don't think it is correct.  Contributor terms relate, as the name 
suggests, to contributors.  What you seem to be requiring is a more 
liberal form of the licence, for the initial data, than ODbL.


If the data provider were to accept the CT's then that would apply for all 
edits made by that user directly into OSM.  It does not have any impact of 
the licensability of data which they supply, but don't themselves enter 
into OSM.


If you want other OSM contributors to be able to upload the data, and there 
to be no danger of that data having to be removed of OSM licence ever 
changes in the future, then the underlying data has to be in a CT compatible 
licence.


I would have thought all that is necessary is for the data provider to agree 
to release the data to OSM contibutors under ODbl, CC-BY-SA 2.0, and any 
such other free and open licence as defined by OSM contibutor terms clase 
3.


David



To follow in the import guidelines better I think rather than having
them login and dump the data into OSM it would be better to have a
copy of the contributor terms to be signed for that data set.  With
governments giving them an actual physical document would likely be
the easiest. Then the OpenStreetMap community could decide what to do
with that data since it would be licensed appropriately and have
contributor terms associated with it.

Best,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Signing of Contributor Terms

2012-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm

David,

On 04/16/2012 04:57 PM, David Groom wrote:

I would have thought all that is necessary is for the data provider to
agree to release the data to OSM contibutors under ODbl, CC-BY-SA 2.0,
and any such other free and open licence as defined by OSM contibutor
terms clase 3.


The CT is basically: I have this data and I contribute it to OSM and I 
grant OSMF the right to distribute it under 


Apart from the rather specific wording Contents that You choose to 
submit to the Project in this user account at one point in the CT, it 
would be perfectly possible to interpret contribute to OSM in a wider 
sense - i.e. contribute not by starting JOSM and entering data, but 
contribute by shipping a CD-ROM to Kate or so.


If, for a written statement, that one sentence were changed from 
Contents that You choose to submit to the Project in this user account 
to Contents as detailed in attachment A or something, then I guess 
that should be sufficient.


The mapper who later uses the data thus released as part of his OSM 
editing activity can honestly say that his contribution does not 
infringe anyone else's copyright because the original owner already 
authorized OSMF to distribute their data.


Bye
Frederik

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