[OSM-legal-talk] Creative Commons license question

2014-05-04 Thread Michael Collinson

This is a pure CC question.

An organisation is making a short film/video which will be released 
CC-BY.  They want to show (fleetingly) OSM map tiles ... which are 
CC-BY-SA- 2.0.  Can they do that?


[And if anyone in the UK wants to help them by creating tiles from 
scratch under a CC-BY license, let me know and I'll pass on.  It does 
seem to be in a good cause. But the core question is still a good one to 
answer.]


Mike
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Creative Commons license question

2014-05-04 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:

 This is a pure CC question.

 An organisation is making a short film/video which will be released CC-BY.
  They want to show (fleetingly) OSM map tiles ... which are CC-BY-SA- 2.0.
  Can they do that?


I think fair use/fair dealing could apply here and they have no
obligations? (But an attribution would be nice.)
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Creative Commons license question

2014-05-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 04/mag/2014 um 08:44 schrieb Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz:
 
 An organisation is making a short film/video which will be released CC-BY.  
 They want to show (fleetingly) OSM map tiles ... which are CC-BY-SA- 2.0.  
 Can they do that?


Is this different to publishing a book (full copyright) with osm cartography  
(cc-by-sa) in it? I would expect that they can do it, the maps would remain 
cc-by-sa but the film could be cc-by or any other license (agree with Eugene, 
fair use unless the film is mainly maps). 

Btw, this was already happening in the past, a German TV series had some osm 
maps in it pretending it was the police cartography system and AFAIR crediting 
osm in the titles.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Creative Commons license question

2014-05-04 Thread Simon Poole


Am 04.05.2014 10:51, schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar:
.
 
 I think fair use/fair dealing could apply here and they have no
 obligations? (But an attribution would be nice.)

My understanding of fair dealing is that it would not apply here
(different in the states or for example in Germany).



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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Creative Commons license question

2014-05-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
[ ... ]
 [And if anyone in the UK wants to help them by creating tiles from scratch
 under a CC-BY license, let me know and I'll pass on.  It does seem to be in
 a good cause. But the core question is still a good one to answer.]

Not currently in UK, but I can generate tiles for them, for the use
described.  I'll insist that they meet their attribution obligations
of course.  :-)

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The edges of share-alike on data Re: Attribution

2014-05-04 Thread Rob Myers
On 03/05/14 08:51 AM, Michael Collinson wrote:
 
 Geocoding: So I have to share a patient's medical record because it is
 geocoded against OSM?

Who with?

 Dynamic Data: So if I use OpenStreetMap car park location data, I have
 to share the real-time occupancy data?

Who with?

 Algorithmic transformations: So I thought of this clever idea to
 pre-format OSM data for fast loading into my game. Now I have to share
 my that or my algorithm?

Who with?

 General maps: I want to use OSM to show locations of restaurants on my
 restaurant review site. Now I have to share the reviews?

Who with?

 *And share-alike only applies to what we collect.*

But the license doesn't exist to collect data for OSM.

It exists to ensure that all the users (or in the terms of the license,
all its recipients if you Use it Publicly) of that data, in combination
with whichever other data and in whatever form and wherever they
encounter it, are free to use it.

If that leads to patients having better access to their medical data,
people being able to find somewhere to park, players of games being able
to maintain and modify them creatively to build communities around them
and drive sales, and people being able to check the actual rankings of
the restaurants they're being directed to that's definitely a win for
Open Data.

- Rob.


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