Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
On 17.01.2013 08:56, Jeff Meyer wrote: If we require others to put (c) OpenStreetMap contributors on their tiles [...] We don't. Like ourselves, they can also put it elsewhere, as long as it's findable. For example behind a link labelled Copyright and License, or an about box in an app. At least that was my impression from previous discussions on that topic and that's how I do it on my own maps. It's also the only practical solution when you have more than one source and limited screen space. That there is no copyright information on the mobile version of osm.org *at all* is undesirable, though - I used to consider this a bug. Tobias ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
from http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright: For a browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner of the map. For example: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: On 17.01.2013 08:56, Jeff Meyer wrote: If we require others to put (c) OpenStreetMap contributors on their tiles [...] We don't. Like ourselves, they can also put it elsewhere, as long as it's findable. For example behind a link labelled Copyright and License, or an about box in an app. At least that was my impression from previous discussions on that topic and that's how I do it on my own maps. It's also the only practical solution when you have more than one source and limited screen space. That there is no copyright information on the mobile version of osm.org *at all* is undesirable, though - I used to consider this a bug. Tobias ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
2013/1/17 Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org from http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright: For a browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner of the map. For example: below there is this paragraph: Finding out more Read more about using our data, and how to credit us, at the Legal FAQhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ . On that page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#3a._I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F where to put it : For a *browsable electronic map* (e.g. embedded in a web page or mobile phone application), the credit should appear in the corner of the map, as commonly seen with map APIs/libraries such as Google Maps, or an about box/page. cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
On 17/01/13 10:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/1/17 Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org mailto:j...@gwhat.org from http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright: For a browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner of the map. For example: below there is this paragraph: Finding out more Read more about using our data, and how to credit us, at theLegal FAQ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ. On that page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#3a._I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F where to put it : For a *browsable electronic map* (e.g. embedded in a web page or mobile phone application), the credit should appear in the corner of the map, as commonly seen with map APIs/libraries such as Google Maps, or an about box/page. cheers, Martin The Copyright page used to match the Legal FAQ, but was changed a month or two ago without prior discussion on this list. There has been some subsequent discussion of it on this list and also last week on the IRC channel. I (and others) don't think it's reasonable to demand that the credit is in the corner in all circumstances. On mobile devices there may not be room. It may obscure the map. It may not be easily readable; it would usually look better and be more readable on a plain, non-map background. If the map provider doesn't put their own credit in the corner of the map, why should OSM's be there? The ODbL just says the credit should be prominent - so if there are any other credits, I think it would be reasonable for us to mandate that the OSM credit has the same prominence as those. We don't require OSM-derived maps to be rectangular. Let's not limit ourselves to just doing whatever Google do. I think someone with the editing rights to do so should put the Copyright page back into line with the FAQ. Having them disagree just says OSM is confused about this. For the same reason, I agree that the mobile version of OSM should have a reference to the copyright message somewhere, like the web version does. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
Hi, On 17.01.2013 02:29, Jeff Meyer wrote: Should we be marking our own map at openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org with the same markings we ask others to use? This has been discussed frequently in the past. It is not necessary, from a legal point of view, that we create such markings. (The license requires that you make it clear that the data comes from OpenStreetMap but if your URL is www.openstreetmap.org then that makes it clear enough.) Personally, I do think that it might make sense to put such markings on the map even though they are redundant, for the purpose of instruction - some people might look at our web page and think I'll simply do as they do, they'll know what is right. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
Where is it? I didn't see any copyright on osm.org.
On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Paul Norman wrote:
There is a prominent copyright license link on the openstreetmap.orgpage
outlining the copyright information in detail.
osm.org is a bit of a unique case because all the content on the site is
openstreetmap data and the copyright information is content in its own
right.
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Hi legal types -
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Should we be marking our own map at openstreetmap.org with the same
markings we ask others to use?
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My impression is that you're supposed to mark a copyright in any use of
the copyrighted material - is that incorrect?
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This is the practice Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and MapQuest use for their
maps.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
Hi! Maybe you are talking about different versions of the site? I just checked with my phone, and on the mobile version I can't find any copyright information, as the left menu column displayed in the desktop version is hidden on the mobile site. Kind regards, Marty 17 jan 2013 kl. 05:26 skrev Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org: Where is it? I didn't see any copyright on osm.org. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Paul Norman wrote: There is a prominent copyright license link on the openstreetmap.org page outlining the copyright information in detail. osm.org is a bit of a unique case because all the content on the site is openstreetmap data and the copyright information is content in its own right. From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:30 PM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map? Hi legal types - Should we be marking our own map at openstreetmap.org with the same markings we ask others to use? My impression is that you're supposed to mark a copyright in any use of the copyrighted material - is that incorrect? This is the practice Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and MapQuest use for their maps. -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 osm: Historical OSM / my OSM user page t: @GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?
Paul - Are you talking about the link to Copyright and License under Help in the left-nav or the statement The data is free to downloadhttp://planet.openstreetmap.org/ and use http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap under its open license http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright, which is also in the left-nav? I would contend that neither of those are a copyright mark. If we require others to put (c) OpenStreetMap contributors on their tiles, I believe we are obligated to do the same in order to demonstrate that we are taking appropriate steps to protect our copyrights. - Jeff On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Martin Holmgren d95ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Maybe you are talking about different versions of the site? I just checked with my phone, and on the mobile version I can't find any copyright information, as the left menu column displayed in the desktop version is hidden on the mobile site. Kind regards, Marty 17 jan 2013 kl. 05:26 skrev Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org: Where is it? I didn't see any copyright on osm.org. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Paul Norman wrote: There is a prominent copyright license link on the openstreetmap.orgpage outlining the copyright information in detail. osm.org is a bit of a unique case because all the content on the site is openstreetmap data and the copyright information is content in its own right. ** ** *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:30 PM *To:* legal-talk@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map? ** ** Hi legal types - ** ** Should we be marking our own map at openstreetmap.org with the same markings we ask others to use? ** ** My impression is that you're supposed to mark a copyright in any use of the copyrighted material - is that incorrect? ** ** This is the practice Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and MapQuest use for their maps. -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
