Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adding OSM-ids to an external database and publish in CC-BY
Am 31.03.20 um 19:56 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > In Italy we have been discussing this situation: a member of the community > wants to add links to OSM objects into a list of specific shops (those that > are open during the covid-19 pandemia). > > The list will be published here: https://www.covid19italia.help/opendata/ > with an CC-BY-4.0 license. > > The links will be of the kind https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1834818 > In decision C‑466/12 - Svensson and Others , the European Court of Justice stated: "[...] that the provision on a website of clickable links to works freely available on another website does not constitute an act of communication to the public, as referred to in that provision." > Question is, will it be possible to publish such a list, containing OSM-ids > (or links to OSM objects) with a CC-BY-4.0 license? > In my opinion, this case applies not only to links to works, but also to links to publicly accessible databases. Since links to database objects are not legally relevant duplication of the database, no license terms of the ODbL need to be observed in this case. Falk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adding OSM-ids to an external database and publish in CC-BY
I don't think you even need to get into https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Metadata_Layers_-_Guideline or the substantial question. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Horizontal_Map_Layers_-_Guideline and https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Collective_Database_Guideline_Guideline make clear that you can use a particular OSM type (here, OSM-ids) as a collective database with other data types of non-OSM origin without triggering share-alike. It would be nonsensical for OSM-ids to come from a source other than OSM (hence, all OSM-ids are from OSM and are ODbL), so in this scenario it is easy to maintain conceptual separation of the ODbL and non-ODbL databases in the "collective". Since they're labeled "OSM-ids" even attribution is fairly easily covered. Surely there is a readme explaining what this metadata type is, just for use purposes. On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:32 AM Tom Lee via legal-talk < legal-talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > This seems similar to the problem discussed here: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Metadata_Layers_-_Guideline > > The doctrine proposed by Richard Fairhurst (and discussed on that page) > strikes me as reasonable. It's hard for me to see how OSM IDs could qualify > as a substantial part of the database when used in isolation, in this > manner. They're algorithmically generated and, by themselves, contain no > information about the world that OSM describes. > > In a broader sense, it seems like it would be very counterproductive for > an open project to embrace policies that make it difficult for people to > even *refer* to useful parts of it, which is what a hyperlink amounts to. > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:57 PM Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In Italy we have been discussing this situation: a member of the >> community wants to add links to OSM objects into a list of specific shops >> (those that are open during the covid-19 pandemia). >> >> The list will be published here: https://www.covid19italia.help/opendata/ >> with an CC-BY-4.0 license. >> >> The links will be of the kind >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1834818 >> >> Question is, will it be possible to publish such a list, containing >> OSM-ids (or links to OSM objects) with a CC-BY-4.0 license? >> >> Thank you for your replies. >> >> Cheers >> Martin >> ___ >> legal-talk mailing list >> legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adding OSM-ids to an external database and publish in CC-BY
This seems similar to the problem discussed here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Metadata_Layers_-_Guideline The doctrine proposed by Richard Fairhurst (and discussed on that page) strikes me as reasonable. It's hard for me to see how OSM IDs could qualify as a substantial part of the database when used in isolation, in this manner. They're algorithmically generated and, by themselves, contain no information about the world that OSM describes. In a broader sense, it seems like it would be very counterproductive for an open project to embrace policies that make it difficult for people to even *refer* to useful parts of it, which is what a hyperlink amounts to. On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:57 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > In Italy we have been discussing this situation: a member of the community > wants to add links to OSM objects into a list of specific shops (those that > are open during the covid-19 pandemia). > > The list will be published here: https://www.covid19italia.help/opendata/ > with an CC-BY-4.0 license. > > The links will be of the kind > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1834818 > > Question is, will it be possible to publish such a list, containing > OSM-ids (or links to OSM objects) with a CC-BY-4.0 license? > > Thank you for your replies. > > Cheers > Martin > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Adding OSM-ids to an external database and publish in CC-BY
In Italy we have been discussing this situation: a member of the community wants to add links to OSM objects into a list of specific shops (those that are open during the covid-19 pandemia). The list will be published here: https://www.covid19italia.help/opendata/ with an CC-BY-4.0 license. The links will be of the kind https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1834818 Question is, will it be possible to publish such a list, containing OSM-ids (or links to OSM objects) with a CC-BY-4.0 license? Thank you for your replies. Cheers Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
