[OSM-legal-talk] Copyright of large-scale imports vs. small edits

2012-01-18 Thread FK270673
Andrzej Zaborowski wrote:
Are you serious?  Around where I map I estimate there are 500k to a
couple millions OSM objects who's authors have never agreed to ODbL or
OpenStreetMap CT, but which show green on the license change maps.

These nodes have been imported from UMP, a Polish sister project. They are 
compatible with the current license, but not with the new ODbL license unless 
the original UMP contributors agree.

We should try to identify these UMP imports before making any decision on 
license change. Unfortunately, these imports are mixed with personal 
contributions. It would make sense to create a separate account for each import 
also for existing contributions in order to get a survey on imports.

these people already feel like they've been cheated and have no say
over how their work is being used.

I can understand if their work exceeds a substantial amount. However, I have 
written about 100 personal messages to local mappers with 100-2000 edits, but 
only 50% of them have accepted so far. Among small editors, interest in 
licencing issues doesn't exist, and I think it would be best to assume that 
non-responding mappers with less than 100 nodes should be considered as 
acceptors. 

In Germany, 97% of those 4,000 mappers who created MORE than 2,000 nodes have 
agreed so far. Among those mappers who created LESS than 2,000 nodes, only 75% 
have agreed. In Niedersachsen, there are 100,000 nodes created by 2,000 small 
contributors with LESS than 1,000 edits which will be lost if every node must 
go. That's far more work than a single mapper can do. Some decliners have 
declined BECAUSE they don't want the work of small mappers being deleted.

The risk of being sued by a non-responding 50-node mapper is rather zero as the 
cost of a small lawsuit in Great Britain is about £200 which is too high for a 
non-responding mapper. Copyright was invented to protect economic interests, 
but I cannot see the economic interest of a 50-node mapper who does not react 
to personal messages.

Cheers




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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright of large-scale imports vs. small edits

2012-01-18 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 01/18/2012 07:48 PM, fk270...@fantasymail.de wrote:

The risk of being sued by a non-responding 50-node mapper is rather
zero as the cost of a small lawsuit in Great Britain is about £200
which is too high for a non-responding mapper.


This is quite a cynical approach.

We can ignore the copyright of small contributors because they won't 
sue anyway


Not my style.

Bye
Frederik

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