Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Hi, On 01/06/12 13:13, Nick Hocking wrote: Although the usefullness(or correctness) of these tags is not being discussed in talk-au, there appears to be a concensus (7-0) about removing them now. Ok, I've discussed this off-list with Nick and did a test run for 1000 (of roughly a quarter million) ways. Here is one example touched by the script: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4018604 The license change view has picked up that this way doesn't carry any of JohnSmith's changes any longer and therefore it is now colored yellow: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=151.94918lat=-27.56668zoom=17 Of course one can simply switch off the yellow stuff with the check box on the left if one finds it confusing - yellow is just a way for OSMI to tell you that it considers this way OK based in its own reckoning rather than because it has a squeaky clean history. If people are happy with that, I will run the script for the remaining ways. But don't expect miracles - it's a lot of data and it will take one or two weeks to complete. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
2012/1/13 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Ok, I've discussed this off-list with Nick and did a test run for 1000 (of roughly a quarter million) ways. Here is one example touched by the script: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4018604 Nice, this will also significantly change the relation between maxspeed:source (mainly John Smith) and the earlier and by presumbaly more different users attached source:maxspeed http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/maxspeed:source#values http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/source:maxspeed#values cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Hendrik wrote There is the possibility to declare a changeset als OK Hi Hendrik, In this case it is essential to actually get rid of the maxspeed tags. The bot used a completly wrong algorithm and the data is dangerously wrong. Just today I drove down a high traffic road where OSM (curtesy of the bot) had the wrong max speed). So long as the DWG can remove the bots work without removing subsequent good edits to that way then I think they should do it now. Failing this I would love the OSM inspector to be able to ignore these edits so thay I can see what actual damage will occur to the OSM data and hopefully prevent it. Cheers Nick ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Hi, On 01/06/12 11:38, Nick Hocking wrote: In this case it is essential to actually get rid of the maxspeed tags. The bot used a completly wrong algorithm and the data is dangerously wrong. Just today I drove down a high traffic road where OSM (curtesy of the bot) had the wrong max speed). It is possible to remove these bot contributions without affecting later edits. The OSM inspector would then, after a while, pick up the fact that the current version of the object retains no properties that were added by the license disagreer, and mark the objects as harmless (unless there are other problems). Is there a consensus in the Australian communitiy that these tags are worthless and should be removed? Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Frederik wrote Is there a consensus in the Australian communitiy that these tags are worthless and should be removed How many votes do I need :-) The extent of the Australian community is unclear to me due to recent problems. However these edits will have to be removed eventually since both bot owners have made it 100% clear that they will not change from decliners to acceptors, and even if they did their bot edits could be reapplied. The bottom line is that, in order to visualise what roads need remapping now, to save some good edit's information and to prevent major map degredation if roads or connections disappear, it is necessary to see below the maxspeed edits. I can see only two ways to do this. 1) Remove the edits. 2) Get OSM Inspector to ignore them. Either way would be equally good for me to allow me to prepare well for licence changeover. Nick ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Hi, On 01/06/12 12:08, Nick Hocking wrote: Is there a consensus in the Australian communitiy that these tags are worthless and should be removed How many votes do I need :-) Well, nobody shouting stop, stop, these tags are useful to me! would already be a start. I can see only two ways to do this. 1) Remove the edits. 2) Get OSM Inspector to ignore them. Both will require that we identify all the changesets first. Can you sketch the selection criteria in natural language? Something like all changesets between X and Y in the Z bounding box by user(s) ABC that have more than N edits and a comment text of T and where all edits are adding a maxspeed tag or whatever. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Frederik wrote Well, nobody shouting stop, stop, these tags are useful to me! would already be a start. Although the usefullness(or correctness) of these tags is not being discussed in talk-au, there appears to be a concensus (7-0) about removing them now. Tomorrow and Sunday, I'll trawl through their changesets to identify each and every one. It'll take about 10 or so hours (I think) to accurately pin them all down, so I'll have to fit it in around some other activities. Nick ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote on 05/01/2012 at 13:59:52 +1100 subject [OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia : Would it be possible to have a version of the OSM licence change inspector which completely ignored tags of maxspeed source:maxspeed maxspeed:source whether for addition deletion or modification. This could be just for Australia. The reason is that in Australia an anonymous user has used a bot to add the maxspeed values for residential roads that did not already have them (the vast majority). This user used its own account to do this and has declined the CT. The values are often wrong anyway and it will be benificial for the data quality when these are finally purged. There is the possibility to declare a changeset als OK (did not find the wiki page where you can do it, but Frederick should be able do tell you). Maybe this is an existing possibility if there are not too many changesets (1000 ?) -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email hendrikmail2...@yahoo.de ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Maxspeed tags in Australia
Hi Would it be possible to have a version of the OSM licence change inspector which completely ignored tags of maxspeed source:maxspeed maxspeed:source whether for addition deletion or modification. This could be just for Australia. The reason is that in Australia an anonymous user has used a bot to add the maxspeed values for residential roads that did not already have them (the vast majority). This user used its own account to do this and has declined the CT. The values are often wrong anyway and it will be benificial for the data quality when these are finally purged. Another (non anonymous) user has used his own account to run another bot to fix some maxspeed:source tags to source:maxspeed. This user is also a decliner. These values are also not usefull in the database. Howevewr while they are there the OSM inspoector is recording them as modifications that will degrade the data at licence change time and painting them yellow. With so many yelow lines on the Australia map due to these 3 tags it is impossible to tell which ways really need to be remapped to avoid unnecessary and damagining way revrsion. Once I have remapped all the red ways in areas that I have personally completely surveyed I would very much like to reclaim as much as possible clean mappers work from the real yellow roads before we lose that work. Nick PS -If a decliner has actually gone out and observerd the speed limit sign for an existing way edited by an acceptor, (very unlikely), then we would not be alerted to this. I don't see this as a problem. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
