Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote: Russ Nelson wrote: SteveC wrote: Andy Allan wrote: [...] Wow, I knew CloudMade had developed some really cool OSM-related products, but I had no idea a Fast Acting Synchronised Legal-Talk Trolling Squadron was one of them. Keep up at the back! We've also got the Unnecessary-Ranting-On-IRC and Talking-Drivel-in-the-Pub Squadrons too. Oh. It appears I might be the common link. Ahem. Cheers, Andy ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
At 06:00 PM 18/06/2009, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Russ Nelson wrote: Yes, but your result has to be licensed under the CC-By-SA, which means that in principle, somebody could republish your composition. In practice, nobody has complained about that. Or rather, in practice, people simply haven't made the maps precisely because of this. Yeah, I gotta admit that I'm wishing that we could protect the database as a database of geodata, whilst simultaneously allowing people to make derivative works that AREN'T a database of geodata, whilst also avoiding the TIGER trap of proprietary database improvements. Not sure that copyright allows for such fine control. The ODbL tries to do exactly this by defining the concept of a Produced Work that meets allowing people to make derivative works that AREN'T a database of geodata and has no restriction on the license used provided the data source is acknowledged. Sharing Richard's sentiments and wanting to keep a united community, I personally think this is one of the best thing that has come out of the ODbL process. Of course separating one from the other is not easy, so we would like to evolve a simple guideline: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Produced_Work_-_Guideline Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
Russ Nelson wrote: Yes, but your result has to be licensed under the CC-By-SA, which means that in principle, somebody could republish your composition. In practice, nobody has complained about that. Or rather, in practice, people simply haven't made the maps precisely because of this. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OSM-data-grant-tp24075292p24095008.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: Yeah, I gotta admit that I'm wishing that we could protect the database as a database of geodata, whilst simultaneously allowing people to make derivative works that AREN'T a database of geodata, whilst also avoiding the TIGER trap of proprietary database improvements. Not sure that copyright allows for such fine control. If only we had a license that combined contract fusion, database fission and anti-copyright-matter together into something that does just that! All hail the ODbL! Cheers, Andy Perhaps we should be looking at our own behavior rather than the legal system? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
Andy Allan wrote: Sent: 18 June 2009 6:29 PM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: Yeah, I gotta admit that I'm wishing that we could protect the database as a database of geodata, whilst simultaneously allowing people to make derivative works that AREN'T a database of geodata, whilst also avoiding the TIGER trap of proprietary database improvements. Not sure that copyright allows for such fine control. If only we had a license that combined contract fusion, database fission and anti-copyright-matter together into something that does just that! All hail the ODbL! That sounds like soup. OSM does dragons. So just perhaps we are the Clangers! Cheers Andy Cheers, Andy Perhaps we should be looking at our own behavior rather than the legal system? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
Russ Nelson wrote: SteveC wrote: Andy Allan wrote: [...] Wow, I knew CloudMade had developed some really cool OSM-related products, but I had no idea a Fast Acting Synchronised Legal-Talk Trolling Squadron was one of them. :p cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OSM-data-grant-tp24075292p24099576.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Russ Nelson wrote: SteveC wrote: Andy Allan wrote: [...] Wow, I knew CloudMade had developed some really cool OSM-related products, but I had no idea a Fast Acting Synchronised Legal-Talk Trolling Squadron was one of them. Come on, isn't it nice to have them not fighting with each other for once? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
Hi, i'm consultant in GIS and cartography domain. Can i use OSM shape data for my work? I make and sell digital maps, and i sell may compositions in raster format. My end product is an elaboration datas, vector + raster. My question is if i can use OSM shape data for sale my etaboration rasters maps. Regards Marc Roussel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant
Hi Marc, I am not a lawyer, and I don't speak with any authority on either the legal implications of the license or on behalf of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. And no part of this e-mail constitutes legal advice, talk to a lawyer familiar with intellectual property law. The data for OSM is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 license (see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License ), currently. Which means that you are free to do whatever you like with the data, print out maps and fold them into hats, give them to your family. Derive works from them and use them in art (as Meg Scheminske has done with Google Map's--though her use may not be legal--see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachklein/3609217246/ .) But you must attribute OpenStreetMap with their part of the data and make note of the license they use. And more importantly the resulting derivative work must be re-released with a Share Alike compatible license. That is, there is nothing stopping you from Making a map and selling it. But once people have that may they are free to make copies of that map and use it however they see fit (printing it in a book, plasticizing it and selling it, using it in a derivative art piece) provided they too attribute your work (and that of OSM) and re-release their product with a Share Alike compatible license Read the full license at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode and see the OpenStreetMaps Legal FAQ at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ So my take on your situation is that you could use the OpenStreetMap data just fine, but since you're a consultant whomever you are consulting for would have to sign off on your end product being liberally licensed. I know this would not work if you were making say wind resource maps for a company planning to sell that data, but may be acceptable if you were making maps for a non-profit company or public entity. Best of luck, -Tyler On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Marc Roussel rousselmar...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, i'm consultant in GIS and cartography domain. Can i use OSM shape data for my work? I make and sell digital maps, and i sell may compositions in raster format. My end product is an elaboration datas, vector + raster. My question is if i can use OSM shape data for sale my etaboration rasters maps. Regards Marc Roussel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
