Hi
It's a pretty hilarious, sensationalizing series of posts. I do give him credit
for getting deep into some of the issues and discussions of OSM, more than any
other reporter I've seen. But I wouldn't take his zingers any more seriously
than good lines at the US pres debates.
As for geocoding and ODbL, there is concern over how to interpret ODbL here,
and I'm sure some use cases will come up for discussion soon. One option I've
thought viable would be sharing of the selected strings used to geocode data,
along with the lat/lng obtained from OSM and/or user input.
Btw, I was at SOTM-US, but didn't talk to Carl or take part in the
ODbL-Geocoding BoF.
-Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org;
talk...@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:58 AM
Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] SOTM-US geocoding/share-alike discussion
Hi,
on talk-us there was a mention of Carl Frantzen's recent three-part
article with SOTM-US coverage,
http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/openstreetmap-part-1-new-cartographers.php,
and his mention of OSM moving away from his open-source roots.
Apparently, this refers to some unfortunate statements at SOTM-US about
share-alike being bad for business or something, and Frantzen mentions
that a couple of businesses have set up an informal group to discuss
which bits of our license they don't understand or want clarification
on. As far as I know, nobody who knows anything about OSM seriously
suggested that we move away from open source, it was just a phrase
unfortunately reported.
I am still rather surprised to hear about this as a side note of SOTM-US
coverage instead of here on this list where license discussions should
be at home. I would urge anyone who is unclear about anything with ODbL
and/or who believes that any community norms we have must be refined, to
discuss that here on this mailing list - whether it's for business or
personal use.
Looking through past discussions in the archives of minutes of our
Licensing Working Group, it seems clear to me that OSM data under ODbL
is unlikely to ever be available for no strings attached geocoding; we
won't ask for your customer database just because you geocode with OSM,
but you will have to adhere to some rules nonetheless.
LWG has never actually made a decision on geocoding, and all mentions in
their minutes carry big disclaimers (This is a summary of our
discussion and should NOT be construed as a formal statement of
position). Under that disclaimer, the 20120515 minutes contain the
following:
To be able to claim that the remainder of the record, (often
proprietary business information or personal information such as a
patient record) is not virally touched by geocoding against OSM ODbL
data needs a distinction to be demonstrated. This distinction needs
to be a clear and logical general rule or principle. It also needs to
be acceptable to the OSM community. At the moment, we feel this does
not exist.
In the same notes there's a discussion of a like with like principle
which means that Whatever is used in the (reverse)geocoding look-up is
virally touched, but nothing else.
The 20120522 meeting notes contain a link to a concept paper
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Ag81OlT1TtnhYwVE-bBtL018SNoU_V-anG4wLdwMT4c
and explicitly say: To improve it, and test the rationality of the
ideas expressed, we need and welcome real-world cases of geocoding and
reverse-geocoding.
So I guess anyone who wants to use OSM in a geocoding scenario should
read that and submit their opinion, here or to LWG.
Personally, I've gone on record as an advocate of a non-share-alike (PD)
license for OSM but the project as a whole has decided to have a share-alike
license and I accept that; I don't think that geocode as much as you want
without sharing any data is possible with the ODbL data set.
Bye
Frederik
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