[liberationtech] AAAS Science #HumanRights Coalition Mtg Jul16-17
EVENT: AAAS Science #HumanRights Coalition Mtg Jul16-17 http://is.gd/q8OlSy #dcif via @AAAS_SRHRL ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
[liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones
Hi Liberationtech folks, is this always the case? I've heard cases where people can still be tracked whether they have batteries in their cell phones or not... YC * RT netfreedom: @eminmilli: If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones. #dcif Original Message: http://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/214742059196751872 ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] study on citizen-generated content in Syria
Correct link for study on social media and Syria: http://www.internews.org/our-stories/project-updates/study-examines-use-social-media-cover-syria-uprising; Teri Carhart | Director of Development - West Coast tcarh...@internews.orgmailto:tcarh...@internews.org | Mobile 1 (415) 425-9985 | Skype TCarhart www.internews.orghttp://www.internews.org/ | @internewshttp://www.twitter.com/internews | facebook.com/internewshttp://www.facebook.com/internews [cid:image001.jpg@01CD4D39.9F682690] From: Teri Carhart (tcarh...@internews.org) Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:26 AM To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: study on citizen-generated content in Syria See recent study by Internews on citizen-generated content during the uprising in Syria. This study was conducted in collaboration with the Annenberg School for Communication. http://internews.org/sites/default/files/resources/InternewsWPSyria_20 Teri Carhart | Director of Development - West Coast tcarh...@internews.orgmailto:tcarh...@internews.org | Mobile 1 (415) 425-9985 | Skype TCarhart www.internews.orghttp://www.internews.org/ | @internewshttp://www.twitter.com/internews | facebook.com/internewshttp://www.facebook.com/internews ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/18/12 8:36 AM, Yosem Companys wrote: Hi Liberationtech folks, is this always the case? I've heard cases where people can still be tracked whether they have batteries in their cell phones or not... I've spoken with mobile security researchers who have given me the impression that this theory hasn't been tested very much. It's theoretically possible that some phones could be recording or transmitting without the main battery, but the equipment that would be required to test is prohibitively expensive and you'd have a hard time demonstrating anything but an evidence of absence. P - -- Parker Higgins Activist Electronic Frontier Foundation https://eff.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJP32WQAAoJEJQzX4iaNncJdPwP/3Vx9UdDXfHuw1vLWM/03eG7 WSU2OxTIBxcrtO7JDhv+pIkeq5p/uOpK+C/Oj9ZbYX5g0GtjM9d8EOldUqXWd6xk qNHEG1OtgBmJTxin7EmJSBvOpjIkGWcMqiAsyRbtp09ZcwAZYg3fgP0c8zI3bLKV hza9VULg/E3Wf5ng5vf7Md3pnKLwMadAOIO4jzoRaBSfHsPvOxblC1ppudBc/oNG S19KSxbLeqKHz6bk+paH9GpK5Vde+lfz3iuWA/bRkKC3S4zCcaYlJMlUpj8l2A0F 7gzzaiq9qOPFdZuim0W/9vrPEdGaphlr8ZFMEgk6U2C1wY24gr6Ge9QJ79q8hSI2 KBwcYYBS3KQ27gV+x9niGoH3apIQw+FGP9RXfPywNkMaqfw7masvd4qYfwDrR76+ iwJwF6Vfz2SOmualE6jN+g27pzJ/X4HrYs3vJYNc8pqg1ehDeQ2Nz0UlCc2yZPOu 0FeLG420YeHXU0/mSXSDhfv65cGkYqmF1Gxdmj9axgLpGPuYJfuF1izZGiSrVSfD mujdmdyNaMemPnmZEjUMUGirbUhGE/9/+pjQDHNx6jsJpV/xjXqRWH0lgiRmzLun BNVbdwJLsUVIG19/UcQlws+stOOKxMKhYsrfYAVEYnaGaPGvVq+XFgWNKiq1Qof5 QBv/P9I5zW/DZ2D/9rNm =67yR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones
On 2012.06.18 13.29, Parker Higgins wrote: On 6/18/12 8:36 AM, Yosem Companys wrote: Hi Liberationtech folks, is this always the case? I've heard cases where people can still be tracked whether they have batteries in their cell phones or not... I've spoken with mobile security researchers who have given me the impression that this theory hasn't been tested very much. It's theoretically possible that some phones could be recording or transmitting without the main battery, but the equipment that would be required to test is prohibitively expensive and you'd have a hard time demonstrating anything but an evidence of absence. Unless there's a specific secondary battery powering a transmitter, it is improbable in the extreme that an unpowered passive device can have its location tracked at a distance of more than, say, a hundred meters, and any tracking at all is extremely unlikely. Cellphones don't work that way, and physics says no, basically. Now, *people* are very easy to tail, when you have a human doing the work. That's a different story. There are almost certainly many more pressing issues to worry about when it comes to locational privacy than a battery-less phone. E. -- Ideas are my favorite toys. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/18/12 11:44 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: The still being tracked with no battery in my phone story sounds like a hoax to me. Yeah, I wouldn't want my answer to be interpreted as providing evidence for it. I'm not advocating breaking any laws in this forum, but especially not laws of physics. As Eleanor said, if there is no power source attached to telephone, or to whatever secondary tracking device installed in the telephone, then it is not possible to track someone. No power source, no radio frequencies being created, no transmissions of information. Right. On a specific device, you could imagine a secondary battery powering the tracking device (er, the radio) but it's hard to imagine a scenario where that's the easiest way to track somebody. The conversation I had with the security researcher was actually about a related question, and that's whether airplane mode could be trusted as well. Again, I don't want my acknowledging a theoretical possibility to be taken as advocating a hoax or anything, but the agreement was that SOFTWARE solutions like airplane mode can't really be trusted, and some processor components do not have open-source software options. Of course, on a current iPhone, there isn't an option to remove the battery. Hope that clears things up a bit! Thanks, Parker - -- Parker Higgins Activist Electronic Frontier Foundation https://eff.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJP33m1AAoJEJQzX4iaNncJlr8P/iNPAmjKJ+0V+7fDEQH+GQs7 dXRVtSPk2ymg4YXAhoXEHGUmyogZ3STrRUlSIxV0knYi2bqzt31z2z03jFvWlryZ MEJpasCk8ENj+yN1eBj2dYqNzFQobJ1GCaDSMuLjOcimDsS6uINkROgTPOIr+IiC I416O/UgGHwpUNJ7mfjWOezvODl0rG7KN2XndnYVuHaSsBTsruOAJuPeBXeuNG4C zkF3wT346SGu/6WCnSwCR066YS01Cmh43zhYmFiuTWWv/Apwx1rpg7grnHYsW2QA fKeTZoruiFbkb4FIHxTrxljMgW2bmUBIxMCFoeFhK6cZx9IUYsmY+q/UkU/peAku 9u1JTUzEwYC6HL8crszJgWXy7yZswLbrd3HLE8dGfHnbvoLM5JEsedLXdvBBN8lT lUttuxUU26TNb0Gjb0JY+yH7MNJxuDpvTBezpKSDcQphD9Jb6pmAvT21mwtlTuqV 2TMmr1DI5xTr6aROXu/7oQTcjJvL/rB3+dCBOzB4vMA6U6q49zniW5PWDFsucwK2 +5MHgVeNPoz3kG59djNNJgUlzi8KGhKfMuC53s3gx44ralMIE/hGUz6gyENwWb8T YKzFpxXPFmbt6oXzsbtkOX5POCfQP/Uji1XSvOGNYpiTwT9C9uugHf+QiqTGHNtU YMESLnadRjQwHMwutFqO =fDVf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Jun 2012, at 19:55, Parker Higgins wrote: On 6/18/12 11:44 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: The still being tracked with no battery in my phone story sounds like a hoax to me. Yeah, I wouldn't want my answer to be interpreted as providing evidence for it. I'm not advocating breaking any laws in this forum, but especially not laws of physics. Some laws were made to :) As Eleanor said, if there is no power source attached to telephone, or to whatever secondary tracking device installed in the telephone, then it is not possible to track someone. No power source, no radio frequencies being created, no transmissions of information. Right. On a specific device, you could imagine a secondary battery powering the tracking device (er, the radio) but it's hard to imagine a scenario where that's the easiest way to track somebody. Absolutely, and again like Eleanor said it would (probably) be a) cheaper b) faster, and c) more efficient to have someone follow in person. People forget social engineering is a very powerful tool. It doesn't need sophisticated technology and lots of money. The conversation I had with the security researcher was actually about a related question, and that's whether airplane mode could be trusted as well. Again, I don't want my acknowledging a theoretical possibility to be taken as advocating a hoax or anything, but the agreement was that SOFTWARE solutions like airplane mode can't really be trusted, and some processor components do not have open-source software options. Of course, on a current iPhone, there isn't an option to remove the battery. That's a whole different scenario. In this case you are relying on the device maker to control shutting off the power to the radio modules (GPS, GSM, WiFi) to put the device into airplane mode (whatever the hell that actually means). Knowing how shoddy some device makers can be, I'd prefer not to leave my security and life in their hands. Certainly in this case, the device is still powered on, and if there was any rogue software installed which had the intelligence to engage the microphone to record the ambient audio, or to store information on the device to send it once it was reconnected to a data network, this would be trivial to do. The safest advice is still to remove the battery from the device. If needs be, keep it in a sealed container so there is no possibility of recording ambient audio. (Although I do not know how useful this would even be) Bernard - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP33yyAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrgKkH/3X6K9e07qt4AlnVYz+ATioM K5UFnZ9zeJvBhtuA8rMElb/M6ebJIeNUQKqhJ/8Qht3bZbfTUe2VPa+Vk0Za9LaS py9C4u+psgNwzryEWWDCttxTKSx1ZKWQr7B2ZzOVctQa33KzxK/nBuFRvl/Q5WL6 sSJqAqEGEAnAHC41ESn84PhtpaNaY0J2hYhjwlPtE8RfcovOy2nnRaWyuFi5eGAe EkzSKnnUGCgXLeuRjiktrsOXidrjZewsmpikUmS1LPmvVBiPZGqaVKPQyUu75Xx/ qPWxrbONsn4n0Xd7/6aAiWLUjU3mmJWnfMK8NYaCMjJxVrDmgJocF2S4Y4Sdm+s= =DEkU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones
On 06/18/2012 07:40 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: On 2012.06.18 13.29, Parker Higgins wrote: On 6/18/12 8:36 AM, Yosem Companys wrote: Hi Liberationtech folks, is this always the case? I've heard cases where people can still be tracked whether they have batteries in their cell phones or not... I've spoken with mobile security researchers who have given me the impression that this theory hasn't been tested very much. It's theoretically possible that some phones could be recording or transmitting without the main battery, but the equipment that would be required to test is prohibitively expensive and you'd have a hard time demonstrating anything but an evidence of absence. Unless there's a specific secondary battery powering a transmitter, it is improbable in the extreme that an unpowered passive device can have its location tracked at a distance of more than, say, a hundred meters, and any tracking at all is extremely unlikely. Cellphones don't work that way, and physics says no, basically. Now, *people* are very easy to tail, when you have a human doing the work. That's a different story. There are almost certainly many more pressing issues to worry about when it comes to locational privacy than a battery-less phone. I'd like to remind everyone about the Great Seal bug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(listening_device) Sometimes the source of power isn't in the device itself. It might be cheaper to tail someone but in some cases, TEMPEST emission attacks, laser microphones and epic bugs, like the Great Seal bug, may be more effective... YSMV! :) All the best, Jacob ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
