[liberationtech] Torservers.net on the way to more diversity
Hi, I have started to make changes to the Torservers.net website to reflect that we have grown from professional Tor Exit hosting to a state where growth of a single organization is not very useful any more. We have refrained from ramping up more exit capacity for quite some time because of that: We need more diversity. The next step is to also professionalize Tor bridges hosting. It is quite a shame that we only have a few hundred bridges in total. The situation got worse now that regular bridges are blocked in several countries, and in China only obfs3 bridges work -- of which we only have a few. We are actively on the lookout for sponsors interested in funding bridges. With the help of TorProject Inc., and by being an example for others to follow, we can now refer to multiple organizations, and become an umbrella organization that distributes funds across these organizations. Legally, we might also be able to offer abuse handling services for exit operators. I will discuss this with our lawyer, and keep you updated. With the German charitable Wau Holland Foundation, we have found a first great partner for the new Torservers.net. Instead of donating directly to us, you can now donate to the project account at Wau Holland Foundation. Hopefully, we can find more partners for this in the future. All partner organizations have been chosen carefully. We will iron out details on how we distribute funds so we get a more diverse Tor network. Please talk to us if you want to set up a similar organization. https://www.torservers.net/partners.html https://www.torservers.net/donate.html -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:45:37PM +0100, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Suggestion 1: Can we trial putting the UNSUBSCRIBE footer (that part of the e-mail that no-one reads) at the top of the e-mail so everyone sees it? No, because then *everybody* has to see it. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
Which is worse: - Everyone having to read the footer, or - Several idiotic how do I unsubscribe from this? emails per week? Serious question. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:45:37PM +0100, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Suggestion 1: Can we trial putting the UNSUBSCRIBE footer (that part of the e-mail that no-one reads) at the top of the e-mail so everyone sees it? No, because then *everybody* has to see it. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - *Vaclav Havel* -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
Perhaps this is an indicator that we need to rethink the design of mailing lists perhaps? I see the same problem in a lot of other mailing lists. -- Simeon Oriko | Digital and Innovation Strategist Web: www.mtotowajirani.com | Twitter: @mtotowajirani LinkedIn: ke.linkedin.com/in/simeonoriko Cell: +254 724 892 941 | Skype: simeonoriko On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 12:27:47PM +0200, Jillian C. York wrote: Which is worse: Top-posting is definitely worse. Don't do it. - Everyone having to read the footer, or - Several idiotic how do I unsubscribe from this? emails per week? Serious question. I really doubt putting admin info at the top will result in any less clue-impaired traffic. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
On 03 April, 2013 - Jillian C. York wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:45:37PM +0100, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Suggestion 1: Can we trial putting the UNSUBSCRIBE footer (that part of the e-mail that no-one reads) at the top of the e-mail so everyone sees it? No, because then *everybody* has to see it. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Which is worse: - Everyone having to read the footer, or - Several idiotic how do I unsubscribe from this? emails per week? Serious question. I have not seen several per week. Rather the volume seems to be one every couple of weeks. Doing a little archive digging, I find only one sent during all of March, though I admittedly only looked at the subjects and thus might have missed a few that showed up as replies in other threads. I would argue that having a header added to each and every mail is significantly worse, though really, this mailing list is somewhat lacking in standard mailing list practises (do not top-post! ;) ) In conclusion: you are severely overstating the problem, and the solution of having the footer as header is annoying, non-standard and completely unnecessary for the slightly more tech-savvy users of this list. Best regards -- Petter Ericson (pett...@acc.umu.se) -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
Oh, I'm in agreement that top-posting is awful. And I may be conflating this mailing list with others (in overstating the problem), but it is enough of an annoyance that I would consider harsh measures ;) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Petter Ericson pett...@acc.umu.se wrote: On 03 April, 2013 - Jillian C. York wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:45:37PM +0100, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Suggestion 1: Can we trial putting the UNSUBSCRIBE footer (that part of the e-mail that no-one reads) at the top of the e-mail so everyone sees it? No, because then *everybody* has to see it. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Which is worse: - Everyone having to read the footer, or - Several idiotic how do I unsubscribe from this? emails per week? Serious question. I have not seen several per week. Rather the volume seems to be one every couple of weeks. Doing a little archive digging, I find only one sent during all of March, though I admittedly only looked at the subjects and thus might have missed a few that showed up as replies in other threads. I would argue that having a header added to each and every mail is significantly worse, though really, this mailing list is somewhat lacking in standard mailing list practises (do not top-post! ;) ) In conclusion: you are severely overstating the problem, and the solution of having the footer as header is annoying, non-standard and completely unnecessary for the slightly more tech-savvy users of this list. Best regards -- Petter Ericson (pett...@acc.umu.se) -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - *Vaclav Havel* -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
My suggestion is to remove the dash-dash-space that precedes the unsubscribe notice. Lots of people have settings that automatically hide these footers. ~Griffin On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Jillian C. York jilliancy...@gmail.comwrote: Oh, I'm in agreement that top-posting is awful. And I may be conflating this mailing list with others (in overstating the problem), but it is enough of an annoyance that I would consider harsh measures ;) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Petter Ericson pett...@acc.umu.sewrote: On 03 April, 2013 - Jillian C. York wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:45:37PM +0100, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Suggestion 1: Can we trial putting the UNSUBSCRIBE footer (that part of the e-mail that no-one reads) at the top of the e-mail so everyone sees it? No, because then *everybody* has to see it. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Which is worse: - Everyone having to read the footer, or - Several idiotic how do I unsubscribe from this? emails per week? Serious question. I have not seen several per week. Rather the volume seems to be one every couple of weeks. Doing a little archive digging, I find only one sent during all of March, though I admittedly only looked at the subjects and thus might have missed a few that showed up as replies in other threads. I would argue that having a header added to each and every mail is significantly worse, though really, this mailing list is somewhat lacking in standard mailing list practises (do not top-post! ;) ) In conclusion: you are severely overstating the problem, and the solution of having the footer as header is annoying, non-standard and completely unnecessary for the slightly more tech-savvy users of this list. Best regards -- Petter Ericson (pett...@acc.umu.se) -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - *Vaclav Havel* -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Please note that I do not have PGP access at this time. OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de / fonta...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: My suggestion is to remove the dash-dash-space that precedes the unsubscribe notice. Should I remind that this was *also* the result of a vote on 21.8.2012? 3. Eliminate signature, modify, or leave as is? a. Eliminate 20.7% b. Modify 62.1% c. As is 17.2% By the way, -- was added as a signature separator instead of -- , which I guess is a mistake. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
On 3 April 2013 13:47, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: Should I remind that this was *also* the result of a vote on 21.8.2012? Maybe a periodic vote about what colours to paint the various bike sheds would be useful? Have we had votes on: * The name of the list * The format of the subject line Come to think of it, Mailman has loads of settings [1] and I could be convinced to have a strong opinion about Text sent to people leaving the list. If empty, no special text will be added to the unsubscribe message. [1] http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html -- Love regards etc David Miller http://www.deadpansincerity.com 07854 880 883 -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
err, I haven't seen any indications that we have libtech members that use screen readers... sorry for the double post. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Senior Staff Technologist Center for Democracy Technology https://www.cdt.org/ On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:33, Joseph Lorenzo Hall j...@cdt.org wrote: On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:31, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 12:27:47PM +0200, Jillian C. York wrote: Which is worse: Top-posting is definitely worse. Don't do it. A very minor point that isn't especially relevant to libtech, I suspect: I work with a number of blind advocates and top-posting makes their lives much, much easier (since scrolling for them can be quite difficult). So, this is just to point out an exception to the tendency to always favor top-posting... however I have seen indications thy we have libtech members who use screen readers. best, Joe -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 10:33:17AM -0400, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: Top-posting is definitely worse. Don't do it. A very minor point that isn't especially relevant to libtech, I suspect: I work with a number of blind advocates and top-posting makes their lives much, much easier (since scrolling for them can be quite difficult). So, this is How do they deal with context? Do they use threading MUAs? What kind of infrastructure they use? Way back it was a braille line and emacs, but I presume that's no longer true. just to point out an exception to the tendency to always favor top-posting... however I have seen indications thy we have libtech members who use screen readers. best, Joe -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
Joe, how would you see? '-) (I do, unless I'm in front of my ginormous monitor.) -- James S. Tyre Law Offices of James S. Tyre 10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512 Culver City, CA 90230-4969 310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax) jst...@jstyre.com Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org -Original Message- From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech- boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzo Hall Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 7:37 AM To: liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION err, I haven't seen any indications that we have libtech members that use screen readers... sorry for the double post. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Senior Staff Technologist Center for Democracy Technology https://www.cdt.org/ On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:33, Joseph Lorenzo Hall j...@cdt.org wrote: On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:31, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 12:27:47PM +0200, Jillian C. York wrote: Which is worse: Top-posting is definitely worse. Don't do it. A very minor point that isn't especially relevant to libtech, I suspect: I work with a number of blind advocates and top-posting makes their lives much, much easier (since scrolling for them can be quite difficult). So, this is just to point out an exception to the tendency to always favor top-posting... however I have seen indications thy we have libtech members who use screen readers. best, Joe -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] SUBSCRIPTION
On 4/3/13 10:37 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 10:33:17AM -0400, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: Top-posting is definitely worse. Don't do it. A very minor point that isn't especially relevant to libtech, I suspect: I work with a number of blind advocates and top-posting makes their lives much, much easier (since scrolling for them can be quite difficult). So, this is How do they deal with context? Do they use threading MUAs? What kind of infrastructure they use? Way back it was a braille line and emacs, but I presume that's no longer true. I can ask, if you'd like. I think it's pretty standard for blind users to use screenreaders like JAWS, and I know they can get frustrated by long indented stuff quoted before the meat of a post. But they're frustrated by so much of the abled world. ::) I just wanted to raise this so that if you send to a list/group that is more likely to have visually-impaired users, you might crop the quoted stuff and respond above... but it's mostly a kindness than a necessity. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Senior Staff Technologist Center for Democracy Technology 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 Washington DC 20006-4011 (p) 202-407-8825 (f) 202-637-0968 j...@cdt.org PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Why are we here?
Any texts that people see every day becomes invisible. Like footers. It's perceptual psych. Fixing the footer will not help, and fixing humans is arguably outside the scope of this list. Any texts that people see erupt repeatedly (over voting on mailing lists, checking Snopes first, or bike sheds) add to community fatigue. Community fatigue definitely diminishes our capacity for collaboration and information sharing, which are the purposes of the list. I suggest we refocus on the topical content rather than meta content, for the health of all involved. Please do not vote on this suggestion. Nothing to see here...;) Yrs, Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Syria Digital Security Monitor
The SecDev Foundation is pleased to announce the launch of the Syria Digital Security Monitor. This site maps and visualizes reports of disruption to critical infrastructure in Syria which includes internet, telecommunication, electricity and water, and reports on cyber threats. The project is based upon a crowd sourced effort that relies on reports by Syrians and extensive monitoring of Syrian social media. The data used for the monitor is captured in SecDev Foundation’s Ushahidi website. https://ushahidi.layer8.org/ The timeline site can be accessed here: http://syriamonitor.layer8.org/index-ar.php The Syria Digital Security Monitor part of the SecDev Foundation's ongoing project to support digital safety and security for Syrian civil society. We provide access to a range resources in Arabic including access to secure communication tools as well as information on digital security and safety. Visit the website at: http://syria.secdev.com/ We are always looking for new ideas, so if you have any constructive comments and suggestions, please feel free to respond on this list, or directly by email. Thanks! Rafal -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
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Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Would you like to give some more context on what it is you are trying to do? remote wipe software for windows. On 3 Apr 2013, at 18:08, Katy P wrote: Thanks! -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRXGQaAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrLBIH/2bsK9wu0gH5Qu7RtOQJO4P+ ++VE+zAlgI7e62I3Dtypp2MI7P+m+CrHkKU6JJEvXNC2QTPGcEZjpQeLc89ulZ6B ud8IfMPCnL2gOk65K/VFNv86c9F1K2F1JyGuMUt4iCpC6FaRqMT492uEzg/J5PyO oI+fiLQonQMaHgJccXltxz9+xMWnaMMjFOXMQR0blhknzBBOzgzmZqHhkE1OFZ/2 sq9oj6YbTwZ+fsBfx9TIi7FruRT8Qy1vj1RlmTr8EKkFkijTF9D3344gZFvmOSXS Nuu6QESNDBC3IFfAR78A41gwAHm6xd0oyAe+BATvD4tarkPK0Bb/sjZ5XsKoXSM= =b7AH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
If my laptop was stolen, for example, some website or something that I (or someone else) could log into and delete the contents of the laptop's hard drive. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Would you like to give some more context on what it is you are trying to do? remote wipe software for windows. On 3 Apr 2013, at 18:08, Katy P wrote: Thanks! -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRXGQaAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrLBIH/2bsK9wu0gH5Qu7RtOQJO4P+ ++VE+zAlgI7e62I3Dtypp2MI7P+m+CrHkKU6JJEvXNC2QTPGcEZjpQeLc89ulZ6B ud8IfMPCnL2gOk65K/VFNv86c9F1K2F1JyGuMUt4iCpC6FaRqMT492uEzg/J5PyO oI+fiLQonQMaHgJccXltxz9+xMWnaMMjFOXMQR0blhknzBBOzgzmZqHhkE1OFZ/2 sq9oj6YbTwZ+fsBfx9TIi7FruRT8Qy1vj1RlmTr8EKkFkijTF9D3344gZFvmOSXS Nuu6QESNDBC3IFfAR78A41gwAHm6xd0oyAe+BATvD4tarkPK0Bb/sjZ5XsKoXSM= =b7AH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 11:16:08AM -0700, Katy P wrote: If my laptop was stolen, for example, some website or something that I (or someone else) could log into and delete the contents of the laptop's hard drive. Or you could use an encrypting filesystem, which requires a password on boot, and whenever the notebook wakes up. That way, the thief would only be able to steal your hardware, not your data. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
What is easier for a lay person and least susceptible to a smart thief? On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 11:16:08AM -0700, Katy P wrote: If my laptop was stolen, for example, some website or something that I (or someone else) could log into and delete the contents of the laptop's hard drive. Or you could use an encrypting filesystem, which requires a password on boot, and whenever the notebook wakes up. That way, the thief would only be able to steal your hardware, not your data. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
Well, http://preyproject.com/ would be better for a layperson who doesn't have the time/interest to encrypt. But it's not impossible to disable or anything. And in the meantime the thief would have access to your data. Depends on whether you are more looking to get it back (no guarantees), or protect your info (all but guaranteed if encrypted). ~Griffin On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Katy P katyca...@gmail.com wrote: What is easier for a lay person and least susceptible to a smart thief? On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 11:16:08AM -0700, Katy P wrote: If my laptop was stolen, for example, some website or something that I (or someone else) could log into and delete the contents of the laptop's hard drive. Or you could use an encrypting filesystem, which requires a password on boot, and whenever the notebook wakes up. That way, the thief would only be able to steal your hardware, not your data. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Please note that I do not have PGP access at this time. OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de / fonta...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Katy P katyca...@gmail.com wrote: What is easier for a lay person and least susceptible to a smart thief? Despite what it says in my signature, I'm no thief. That said, were I to steal laptop, the first action I'd take is to remove the drive before powering it up and connecting it to any network - especially the internet: If I'm after the data, I'd want the drive sandboxed to prevent the original owner from doing exactly what you're looking to do. If I'm after the hardware, I don't care about the data and would format the drive on another machine to avoid the hassles of trying to crack my way in to do the same thing (format the drive). +1 for encryption from me. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
Griffin Boyce writes: Well, http://preyproject.com/ would be better for a layperson who doesn't have the time/interest to encrypt. But it's not impossible to disable or anything. And in the meantime the thief would have access to your data. Depends on whether you are more looking to get it back (no guarantees), or protect your info (all but guaranteed if encrypted). I think Prey is a pretty compelling choice for a lot of cases, but looking briefly at the documentation it seems that their remote wipe functionality for laptops is currently quite limited. And that's confirmed by looking at the secure module in the Prey source code. https://github.com/prey/prey-bash-client-modules https://github.com/prey/prey-bash-client-modules/blob/master/secure/platform/windows/functions https://github.com/prey/prey-bash-client-modules/blob/master/secure/core/functions https://github.com/prey/prey-bash-client-modules/blob/master/secure/core/run I've suggested Prey to people before for tracking stolen devices in order to recover them, but I don't think I could recommend it for remote wipe. It seems to mainly use plain rm to delete the contents of a small number of directories, and to call an API to clear MSIE browser history data. For many users, this is a pretty incomplete notion of wipe, and most of the content deleted this way will be recoverable by forensics. A further problem that comes to mind is that sending a signal to a phone (that uses 3G networks) to wipe itself is going to be easier in a lot of cases than to a laptop (that uses mainly wifi, and maybe not opportunistically). The laptop will likely be offline by default if someone removes it from its normal environment, so it won't hear the wipe signal. Solutions like Prey for laptops mainly work because thieves or downstream purchasers may voluntarily connect stolen laptops to networks to use them without reinstalling them (at least if the laptops don't require, or seem not to require, a login password!). Mike Cardwell actually uses a decoy operating system (with Prey) on his laptop in order to tempt thieves to use it: https://grepular.com/Protecting_a_Laptop_from_Simple_and_Sophisticated_Attacks I'm quite impressed with his setup, which took him a great deal of time and thought. He relies entirely on encryption to get the equivalent of remote wiping; his Prey install is there just to increase his chances of finding the laptop if it's taken by common thieves. This is some ways away from the original poster's question about remote wiping a Windows installation. I guess I want to agree with Eugen Leitl (and Mike Cardwell) that disk encryption ultimately does that job better, mainly since a sophisticated or targeted attacker wouldn't connect the laptop to a network before making a copy of the hard drive. For Windows users who've been denied BitLocker by Microsoft's price discrimination, there's TrueCrypt. -- Seth Schoen sch...@eff.org Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join 454 Shotwell Street, San Francisco, CA 94110 +1 415 436 9333 x107 -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So the objective Kathy has mentioned is to: log into and delete the contents of the laptop's hard drive It would seem the contents of the hard disk is more important than the actual hardware. In that case I would go for the encryption option. Yes it is some configuration, and time to wait until the disk is fully encrypted, but last time I did this for a work computer it took all of 4-5 hours to encrypt and was very reliable - the machine was dropped, put to sleep, woken up multiple times, and used very heavily. I would prefer relying on that rather than some OS level tool. You have no guarantee any of these track your device tools will be successful, especially if they rely on the machine being powered up and connected to a network. Griffin, thanks for the link to Prey, it looks interesting. Bernard On 3 Apr 2013, at 20:08, Scott Elcomb wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Katy P katyca...@gmail.com wrote: What is easier for a lay person and least susceptible to a smart thief? Despite what it says in my signature, I'm no thief. That said, were I to steal laptop, the first action I'd take is to remove the drive before powering it up and connecting it to any network - especially the internet: If I'm after the data, I'd want the drive sandboxed to prevent the original owner from doing exactly what you're looking to do. If I'm after the hardware, I don't care about the data and would format the drive on another machine to avoid the hassles of trying to crack my way in to do the same thing (format the drive). +1 for encryption from me. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRXKnbAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrus4H/AzT4Pue4r+XHBNj/LeJMAsz yWpdqHqKfuBXADaAW5Wyjhif3IpbxH6GzU1YG9vP9M6zDwucqBArJcOJ2xBmHZV7 yl/tdJs3ODw9ftHNums4CI8KOKnNl8Uqs53SpXWAhr7CNIOeJGgpLiKTwDu6tAZi ADH50yLHMY94KT0BV549Yo+yo+MIcwxomj7fI8TTS8VQA9kzkR4WcpiMGU7sRqOL FQtYL2Ap1vjJoI1+Ap/3I06fIqb3IubEelxO1gO3ix+R9fFhp2M5oIYouQXfUKnd 6mUVP3miAq4Yi7Gk3E3F0tSjlbALlSC52Otr9FRr0L2RPuif+BM55VKJB3938AA= =ujXj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] suggestions for a remote wipe software for Windows?
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Katy P katyca...@gmail.com wrote: What is easier for a lay person and least susceptible to a smart thief? Remote wipe schemes are easy for dumb thieves to circumvent because they just have to not hook up the stolen hardware to the Internet to avoid them. Encryption, when done well (meaning strong pass phrases on top of strong encryption), requires a whole different level of smart thief. After setup the only inconvenience is entering the pass phrase. But since doing that reminds you that you are protecting your data, it should not become a major inconvenience. (Small price to pay.) -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] North Korea, the US, war rhetoric, Anonymous
Hi Lib Tech, I think of Yahoo! as kind of our Minitrue, so the frequent war reports between US and North Korea is worrying me...Yahoo! reports that the Anonymous is hacking North Korea. What % of these hackers do you think are usual Anonymous hacktivists? Also, what do people expect to happen to South Korea if the US strikes North Korea first? Mitch https://twitter.com/mdowney84 -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
