Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?
Griffin, The more this gets fleshed out on list - the more it departs from any vestige of email and then you're basically talking about shoe-horning a different architectural beast into a transport protocol we happen to know. (I'm not saying ~you~ are planning that - just making an observation of nuanced list evolution.) You're going to end up in a place that it might be more tenable to pursue building out better transport options for a RetroShare or Kolab environment. Usability for new users is going to take a massive hit with any proposal that seems to catch interest above. I therefore I think it may be prudent to consider an encapsulated secure environment (using RetroShare as an example) with a bridge ingress/egress to the outside world services that gets handled like a PGP Universal setup. Using x509 or PGP, not sure we'd care as long as the CA model of today had nothing to do with it - or minimally involved in the external bridging. In a sense what I'm saying is stop even considering secure email an option - we need to start having people think about their communications and security models entirely different. And I'm afraid that even attempting to maintain vestiges of the old environment and ~terminology~ actually does more harm than good. This isn't to say abandon security of email - but lets tackle the new-fangled solutions on one leg (leaving behind as much legacy as possible) - and use political means to continue to attack the Internet of old problems (e.g. email) on the other leg. That made total sense in my head. *grimace* Cheers, -Ali -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Revised Liberationtech List Guidelines
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Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria
I think it might be important to realize that access to information and famine and disease are not mutually exclusive to each other. For instance if Amartya Sen (the Nobel award winning economist) analysis is right famine is not caused by lack of food but by lack of knowledge about access and location to food - something I believe is much more easily overcome through Internet access perhaps. Dysentery is caused both by lacking access to to potalble water and by not trusting or assimilating methods for water purification (e.g., convincing individuals to use precious resources on boiling water). Even when clinics are built the individuals have a hard time absorbing them into their everyday lives. What Google is doing may do more to help the problems Gates is talking about than one off helicopter drops. Or it may not. But to consider eradication of famine and disease as separate from information seems more destructive than constructive. Michael From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] on behalf of Tom O [winterfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 11:25 PM To: a...@acm.org; liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria I think project LOON serves Googles purpose well. Whether it's altruistic, I'll wait and see. Certainly disease and famine are a more important and pressing concern in Africa. I will happily stand with Bill Melinda re this. I don't think the two issues are comparable, which is where I think Bill goes wrong in his criticism. On Saturday, August 10, 2013, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Those comments by Bill Gates are no more than blows below the belt. Despicable. He should complain about spending on erectile dysfunction (and so many other rich people ailments) research vs. eradication of malaria, not Internet access, which also is a human right! Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.orgUrlBlockedError.aspx +1 (817) 271-9619 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Richard Brooks r...@acm.orgUrlBlockedError.aspx wrote: On 08/09/2013 12:25 PM, Kyle Maxwell wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon === Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just internet access === On the one hand, clean drinking water is important and the fact that little work is done on malaria because it effects mainly poor people is disgusting. On the other hand, I've heard lots of people in the countries that would benefit from a cure for malaria this year asking about what they can do when their government shuts down the Internet. The idea that information can still go in or out against government wishes is important to them. I guess people may want to be healthy and free at the same time. -- Liberationtech list is public and archives are searchable on Google. Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.eduUrlBlockedError.aspx or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Liberationtech list is public and archives are searchable on Google. Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.eduUrlBlockedError.aspx or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Anonymous’ Secret Presence In The U.S. Army
Very interesting interview with an active-duty Army captain who claims to be part of Anonymous ... and he says there are others in the military like him. http://www.buzzfeed.com/justinesharrock/anonymous-secret-presence-in-the-us-army [AJAM] David V. Johnson Online Opinion Editor 435 Hudson Street, Suite 400 New York, NY 10014 Direct line: 917 819 8454 http://america.aljazeera.com/ Notice: This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria
That is an excellent point, Michael!! Also, there are many ways to help people. And not everyone has to do the same thing. People help where they can or feel comfortable. Being made to feel they have to try to fit someone else's model is never the best way for folks to do what their hearts lead them to do. Each area has its place. There is a real need for the things that the Gates foundation is doing, and just as much a need for knowledge -- and -- the possible ways of making money online (Entrepreneurship) that could help to raise the bar for some folks in these countries dealing with famine and disease. It may just help them gain back some feeling of control and make strides in overcoming the helplessness of famine and disease. And there is always a place for the many small organizations that also are trying to help in these areas. The need is great. No amount of giving, or types of giving should be poopoo'd unless they are a scam or the percentages are so low getting to the actual cause as to make it useless and makes the donor's money wasted. The big thing to me is that wherever I give, it has to be able to do as much as it can with the money I give. That it mostly goes to the cause itself. On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Glassman, Michael glassman...@osu.edu wrote: I think it might be important to realize that access to information and famine and disease are not mutually exclusive to each other. For instance if Amartya Sen (the Nobel award winning economist) analysis is right famine is not caused by lack of food but by lack of knowledge about access and location to food - something I believe is much more easily overcome through Internet access perhaps. Dysentery is caused both by lacking access to to potalble water and by not trusting or assimilating methods for water purification (e.g., convincing individuals to use precious resources on boiling water). Even when clinics are built the individuals have a hard time absorbing them into their everyday lives. What Google is doing may do more to help the problems Gates is talking about than one off helicopter drops. Or it may not. But to consider eradication of famine and disease as separate from information seems more destructive than constructive. Michael -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 05:07:26PM -0400, Tim Prepscius wrote: If you'd like to help me that would be cool.. My take on this is this: (these are are not all my ideas, can't take full credit) We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. And runs with *non governmental* issued ssl certificates. Where it provides web-mail (think gmail), iPhone and android. how do you make webmail with PGP end to end encryption? I assume you could do PGP in javascript but it would be trivially easy for the server to steal the users secret keys in that case. Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria
I actually agree with Bill Gates here. If I had his money, I would make sure people have clean water, toilets, condoms, before even starting to consider working on Internet access. Sure, his comments are below the belt as Andrés says below, but this is only because he is unfairly attacking a noble, unrelated project. But the question he raises is: if you have unlimited money and want to tackle what you perceive as a human rights necessity, what do you go for? From my perspective of the world, the Internet should be on the bottom of this list. Sure, it should *be* on the list, but people who think that it's a priority really need to examine the kind of awful problems that the world has right now. No water, no food, no shelter, no hygiene, no toilets, no education, no condoms, no medication… all of those things need to be solved before we start worrying about the lack of Internet. Michael Glassman notes (also earlier in this thread): Famine is not caused by lack of food but by lack of knowledge about access and location to food - something I believe is much more easily overcome through Internet access perhaps. It doesn't just work like that, I don't think. You don't just open Internet access and fund Internet centres and expect knowledge problems to work themselves out. Basic necessities need to be fulfilled first, and in that scenario, that deeply includes education. And in order to focus on education, you're going to need less malaria and more shelter, toilets and hygiene… I hope I'm making my point clearly here. This is a super interesting issue! I guess I'm going to stick to the conservative side here, though. The Internet is the current human rights issue for developed regions of the Middle East and North Africa (and deservedly so!!), but in some other parts of the world, we're just not there yet. There are more basic problems to solve, and this is only a testament to how harsh the world can be. NK On 2013-08-09, at 7:25 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon === Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just internet access === Google's Project Loon initiative wants to provide internet access for the developing world from a network of balloons floating in the stratosphere. Former Microsoft boss Bill Gates isn't keen on the idea. When you're dying of malaria , I suppose you'll look up and see that balloon, and I'm not sure how it'll help you. When a kid gets diarrhoea, no, there's no website that relieves that, Gates told Business Week, in an interview about the work of the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation. Certainly I'm a huge believer in the digital revolution. And connecting up primary-healthcare centres, connecting up schools, those are good things. But no, those are not, for the really low-income countries, unless you directly say we're going to do something about malaria. Gates also questioned Google's commitment to projects in developing countries through its Google.org arm and related initiatives. Google started out saying they were going to do a broad set of things. They hired Larry Brilliant, and they got fantastic publicity, said Gates. And then they shut it all down. Now they're just doing their core thing. Fine. But the actors who just do their core thing are not going to uplift the poor. Project Loon was announced in June as Google launched a pilot scheme with 30 balloons above New Zealand, providing internet access through receivers on the ground. We believe that it might actually be possible to build a ring of balloons, flying around the globe on the stratospheric winds, that provides Internet access to the earth below, explained project lead Mike Cassidy at the time, suggesting speeds could eventually match today's 3G networks. As a result, we hope balloons could become an option for connecting rural, remote, and under-served areas, and for helping with communications after natural disasters. The idea may sound a bit crazy – and that's part of the reason we're calling it Project Loon – but there's solid science behind it. Google has worked with organisations trying to tackle healthcare in developing countries through its Google for Nonprofits initiative, with case studies on its website for Direct Relief International , Unicef and Charity: Water outlining some of its efforts. Meanwhile, Google.org's webpage for its Crisis Response activities makes prominent use of a photo of someone using their mobile phone in the aftermath of a disaster in Haiti, supplied by the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation. Gates' views on malaria are heartfelt, though. It's described as a top priority for the Foundation , which has so far committed nearly $2bn (£1.3bn) in grants towards research into treatments, diagnosis and mosquito-control
Re: [liberationtech] Cryptocat Hackathon, NYC, August 17-18!
Hi everyone, I just wanted to share the happy news that the Cryptocat Hackathon has a sign-up rate composed of more than 35% women so far. This is really awesome. Having more women participating in such events may help bridge the gender gap in the tech scene. I'm glad that for some reason Cryptocat is attractive to both genders. I think it has something to do with the focus on accessibility and the fact that cats are appealing to everyone, no matter your gender! :3 Let's hope for a 50% women sign-up rate next time! https://twitter.com/cryptocatapp/status/366219529577168898 NK On 2013-08-07, at 11:36 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: https://github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat naturally! :D On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/07/2013 12:10 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: (Moving on from my very, very expensively made point?) Dear Libtech, Cryptocat, in collaboration with OpenITP, will be hosting the very first Cryptocat Hackathon weekend in New York City, on the weekend of the 17th and 18th of August 2013! We're going to have a coding track as well as a *special track for journalists*, so please spread the word! https://blog.crypto.cat/2013/08/cryptocat-hackathon-august-17-18-new-york-city/ Join us on August 17-18 for the Cryptocat Hackathon and help empower people worldwide by improving useful tools and discussing the future of making privacy accessible. This two day event will take place at the OpenITP offices, located on 199 Lafayette Street, Suite 3b, New York City. Tweet: https://twitter.com/cryptocatapp/status/36515529735183974 This is exciting, Nadim. I'm nowhere near NYC but would be interested in contributing code if the time arose. I apologize for doing absolutely no research on this at all before asking (again, time) but where can I grab the latest CryptoCat source? Thanks! Anthony -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSAqleAAoJEAKK33RTsEsVjhAQAITJLjOwwHbVAHGdLRdvVELG wkSDD8wdfeIk2x9k2slAIIpB8T8DYZk6jC3z/McKC4BbQNqZ4nbi5CaABDJDJIyb eoJiNASgQLnPWk9lh3WbkArJhDZLM4dtF59DbVTLo/OiNn6rwgC4tWlcMWifNMCU 57N/FdVVjc3VpTTpbewr4+XqfGlA7QB2G+oG/khvHhtK9tyzbul2PIQtIrdeSgQI JqRUtHf9z3cyzg4Z/ohQgeTWHbLD+UDF5Vqi6pzFv00C745SkL0EjBpADzbiGayg swKJleXxQYRTxJmdo/s/U52w1p/H1wEsAeeM6qOIz3zIOHg0xiU0Ufjy32JB0iDL wJDrzm4BML56sWS3DdJY+7/ZdPcj2KanOWNo4KWFbcsbYYFgeWPrOhASt/QMDyOD C/IUYKGqiv0HfqT4RUOxJV1ZqreXaYtTg6dxgY7I55rAlKDUcoJ/dtZULgwBspDV FgGAyWRCIEDT+cmZOJbvgrTYRH2bKZT59XiAcp+g4d7KtRKvX0GijHcscNqbPFRL iC3vuAIqlwzP94zXey9HTRjzf18NZmQ0py5C6Y2TDXIoZosHLUd+3JQ8EpoidE/B UW80ymdMrFl0n39vaD8XihsjbLFQyN1Ei+4wtHvRIvNJa60fOg3LR8lz+AMQ4B6r IfMVjMR/a3KU09wYjSpZ =AtB1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech list is public and archives are searchable on Google. Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- @kylemaxwell -- Liberationtech list is public and archives are searchable on Google. Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/09/2013 09:44 PM, Kyle Maxwell wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 mor...@torservers.net wrote: Repeat after me: Iceland is *not* a data haven. [citation needed] Shouldn't it be the other way around? If somebody claims that a nation-state possesses specific properties that distinguish it from others, shouldn't the burden of proof lie on the person making such a claim? Don't know about Iceland. Even the Green-party interior Minister had some strange ideas about porn-filtering: http://www.gendo.ch/en/blog/arjen/icelandic-porn-filter-is-overkill After the last election the conservatives have taken over and things have not improved. Switserland however has a strong and brand new constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Constitution) designed to protect citizens *against* the power of the state. The .ch TLD was the only Wikileaks domain that never went down in the initial 2010 onslought by the US governments (when .org and various EU TLD's were taken offline). There are many high quality hosting providers in Switserland who do great work at a range of cost-levels. I moved my mailserver to one of them in early 2006 when it data-retention was on its way to be implemented in Europe in the wake of the London Bombings. Germany has since abolished data-retention because it is not compatible with their constitution so that might also be a place worth looking at. There is no need to reinvent any wheels on Iceland or in space ;-) Of course most confidentiality is still obtained by using GPG on a secure system. But not having your server/service taken down by a foreign government for the serious crime of journalism or civic engagement is very nice. No unplanned outages in over 7.5 years with my provider. Another thing they do well alongside watches and chocolate ;-) (disclaimer: I have no relationship with any internet service provider other that as a satisfied customer) - -- Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards, Arjen Kamphuis Gendo B.V. Main: +31 20 891 0330 mail: ar...@gendo.ch gendo.ch(website) gendo.nl/blog/arjen (Dutch blog) gendo.ch/en/blog/arjen (English blog) about.me/arjenkamphuis (social media) files.gendo.nl/keys/ar...@gendo.ch.asc (public key) PGP fingerprint: 55FB B3B7 949D ABF5 F31B BA1D 237D 4C50 118A 0EC2 Gendo BV Wibautstraat 150, 1091 GR Amsterdam The Netherlands P please consider the environment before printing this email This e-mail message and its attachments are subject to the disclaimer published at the following website of Gendo: http://www.gendo.nl/disclaimer Gendo B.V. is registered with the trade register in The Netherlands under number 28116864. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBl43AAoJECN9TFARig7CNsEP/2uhHL74w9A4316VcmSRxoKh aVZ2kWazrt4d6l9iNgx4+exMC8e4v4I4XqyTl7CSI5P+4ComAY4b0Ms9Rw9/FcA2 7jPC0FKmZDpS/f23L7WAJgrqqpYWoyikOVNdBKU5gNonHyTncx6hk0fhPtVA47er dNfrb7D4JoS+JlNy+ylhdXKu4Mjbvz8YG+J9GXDXyX01Zl0lWwhioBBFohW4Dmz/ xQMOLOqNe9FndNa14GEQl2TsyWTznEH3dB4RhE0k9/GxNyWP2UttfLSE+Muxi0qn MEuOpBf20tCZH+nXe79sPmQ2RyyAfwO1CniI+1AdRquWB711aYerUVEz6pWwig1z 8M6Vr5mnjfQTuYpp4D3+LSEimLNAGpQHCNyR85Mmmz/9UFtsOTPOAccuWZCjQq6q 9ORylbZagP3OgfI+zWdv8qyUwm4/eJCtjQWxU3wvvh/5hV3oHDDL2mf8R/0HZooC klTshWQ//x6fq1gJpEsMX6DW+dMkI53asuy1xBn0LBUqaI0A2rpaIUaDqNf9lfft 7zsMIkInzP4EQLN/9oJBO8zC63KVVwCOb+EGq3zGUSpmZTJ4PqqnrTWbQyw9fWA9 GGq41PAOYUzGxcW8+SGKECBPrd16uQdXBgP6xICHJwDkk+NlRdLqwUrl0CAG4X3f hjJcT8I15PhLC4ZxxDmk =a3hD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/08/13 17:43, Reed Black wrote: CryptoCat is served up by the Chrome app store. Do you have control over what binary gets distributed to who? Does any assurace exist beyond the app store's own signing validation? I thought this was like webmasters and third-party script inclusions. They will be blind if Google or DoubleClick are compelled to selectively swap out the scripts they serve to millions of third-party sites. If we assume that app stores aren't going away any time soon, we need to address this problem: How can a user who downloads an app from an app store be satisfied that it was built from published source code? We might also think about how to solve the problem for apps downloaded through browsers. Verifiable builds are necessary but not sufficient here - they allow an expert auditor to tell whether the binary she downloaded was built from the published source, but an attacker might target the binaries downloaded by certain other users without alerting the auditor. So we also need a way for a non-expert user to tell whether the binary she downloaded matches the one that was audited. PGP signatures and hashes aren't currently usable by non-experts, and signatures or hashes published through the same channel as the binary can be tampered with in the same way as the binary. Something along the lines of Certificate Transparency might be useful here: a public log of software names, versions, and hashes, which a browser or other download tool can use to verify downloaded binaries without any manual steps needing to be taken by the user. Software publishers would be responsible for adding entries to the log for their own software and monitoring the log for entries added by anyone else. Cheers, Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSBl+QAAoJEBEET9GfxSfMlVAIAJ/JEwbbZBdihiuUT6PEas9v Bs/eOnr/+/oTvjVJc/OJvcSHXWr8ne97N3kGzBrQsS6HdiDoxZdUMC/9S+WGLQuG boMD1MJH2qpPQzA7yG0ZDKWUodg+IvHZosC50ahC+su6zZ176Ic/8v4zzDDxnzF5 zLqtY/jhZSrvmdaWixx4yznmrWbOXo1zxb+ulSDZWZ4TIHZKC+890d4CVGDzFNjY Yzyz0E3BRX7Ctkbt2dW/EqhBPKsG0FtMzwCsFMa6xPIUp5Ykf0YpQ0WF4n/sTJaO 8bY3HyAtxBAma/gZccDLP1OEkjPdaf27cxJNbcSoAYeKy4cqCOMWWXL/gLbuZqo= =QkIa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down
Hi Arjen, On 08/10/2013 05:37 PM, Arjen Kamphuis wrote: There are many high quality hosting providers in Switserland who do great work at a range of cost-levels. I moved my mailserver to one of them in early 2006 when it data-retention was on its way to be implemented in Europe in the wake of the London Bombings. Germany has since abolished data-retention because it is not compatible with their constitution so that might also be a place worth looking at. This is interesting as I recall some year ago it was still said that their VPN providers logged the connections going through them. Do you know if that is still the case? Ralph -- Ralph Holz I8 - Network Architectures and Services Technische Universität München http://www.net.in.tum.de/de/mitarbeiter/holz/ Phone +49.89.289.18043 PGP: A805 D19C E23E 6BBB E0C4 86DC 520E 0C83 69B0 03EF -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Cloud hosting in Iceland
This seems a good week to mention a coop that some people I know, like Eleanor Saitta, are trying to start (I'm in the group, actually) to do various kinds of cloud hosting, especially email, on a server farm in Iceland. We're trying to gather the initial set of people and do funding before it is built. http://moonlet.is/ -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Piratebrowser?
In a WTF moment for me personally, a preconfigured Firefox 23 with Tor has come out from the Piratebay. http://piratebrowser.com/ -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Cloud hosting in Iceland
On 08/10/2013 01:48 PM, Al Billings wrote: This seems a good week to mention a coop that some people I know, like Eleanor Saitta, are trying to start (I'm in the group, actually) to do various kinds of cloud hosting, especially email, on a server farm in Iceland. We're trying to gather the initial set of people and do funding before it is built. http://moonlet.is/ Just for other people's info. There are at least two prominent hosting services based in Iceland: Greenqloud (greenqloud.com) and 1984 Hosting (1984hosting.com) Both base their servers in Iceland (i.e. they are not resellers, using hardware based outside of the country). -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ralph, On 08/10/2013 06:48 PM, Ralph Holz wrote: On 08/10/2013 05:37 PM, Arjen Kamphuis wrote: There are many high quality hosting providers in Switserland who do great work at a range of cost-levels. I moved my mailserver to one of them in early 2006 when it data-retention was on its way to be implemented in Europe in the wake of the London Bombings. Germany has since abolished data-retention because it is not compatible with their constitution so that might also be a place worth looking at. This is interesting as I recall some year ago it was still said that their VPN providers logged the connections going through them. Do you know if that is still the case? I'm sure some of them will. Could not talk about any specific cases (i'm not privvy to any operational info). Would never completly trust any single company to not do some logging. But you can ask what their policy is and ask to have that in writing. You should not rely on a single company for all VPN connections. Have alternatives ready to go or mix match, preferbly in different countries. I also personally prefer to actually meet the technical people of any serviceprovider I work with, makes for much more pleasant support relationship. This works best with smaller companies. - -- Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards, Arjen Kamphuis Gendo B.V. Main: +31 20 891 0330 mail: ar...@gendo.ch gendo.ch(website) gendo.nl/blog/arjen (Dutch blog) gendo.ch/en/blog/arjen (English blog) about.me/arjenkamphuis (social media) files.gendo.nl/keys/ar...@gendo.ch.asc (public key) PGP fingerprint: 55FB B3B7 949D ABF5 F31B BA1D 237D 4C50 118A 0EC2 Gendo BV Wibautstraat 150, 1091 GR Amsterdam The Netherlands P please consider the environment before printing this email This e-mail message and its attachments are subject to the disclaimer published at the following website of Gendo: http://www.gendo.nl/disclaimer Gendo B.V. is registered with the trade register in The Netherlands under number 28116864. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBppyAAoJECN9TFARig7CMmYP/iz8wRia05YdjV3oAouwOOfz xji50cthJVr5grPDW5MUo/lEuvojCMpM3TQZMJXPI63mBF20HYIo/KMc7oWYTh5D 4swfBHCKXiSILO29/Ek+oe8is6Q5wDD5rUhBx6OZsoHAh+tROvzs4QOGO20QUbZ3 3BIAbJaSElJ48/LGwiwxdW+Pqvzkjle46XNQNw85MoLQtzvKrqX7slQjtPoEtqi/ VM6dq985PzWXNvkv7b9I5xsWf0afipUbUR7zg3IYzaRJ/hXNt7lXgkvlSyCYQTpt mRFi8vQii+SkDyI0i5EFN7VfxwFkVuv2HhGDDE3lkpTcxbZlqogLIu3YXaHjjz9w c8TxHXDHFZkhxpLn4k5qKVyUJY61YIZW/Ob6inzfwBljO8EA4MPDzFs8fvH/BUwA CS94RGrlnidd/XxLJ38Z/x75/zQfBtf7/Lh7hvdhKM1L2HDOK7VxV4jt/2RlY+zJ XXmJJmuUOVon0jcMyLG8AnsIyBqT1uEgq403lbG1hhSzJlrYU2QagQcZLnNPiI08 GLQYM+73EpDnYNOK0XOqr1QH46zfEhXeG/ZBlKX3vb+MxG3eObq/u8PCrp/D2iW8 /Jda85EU0DiWGWAvLFKqNA+fSuDU+0sz1nQPUyRQ9V1juLxbOIYfesEHwyWQbxlG sW+NY17chqR7iYHLor3O =hUse -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Piratebrowser?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-08-10 19:50, Al Billings wrote: In a WTF moment for me personally, a preconfigured Firefox 23 with Tor has come out from the Piratebay. http://piratebrowser.com/ I haven't quite followed the latest Mozilla security announcements (just installed the latest version when it hit my apt repository), but is this version patched with the vulnerabilities that were abused against Tor users? Especially as it seems to only be for Windows, which apparently was the in practice insecure Firefox platform. - -- Mikael MMN-o Nordfeldth XMPP/mail: m...@hethane.se http://blog.mmn-o.se/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSBrFWAAoJEMW3RSLxX/nuowEH/jpf0upacdwy6IJG9L/FRnqM nDu1TyiHQ0C3YEMzywQmzsGk8ij1FTLwdalKl/kLvTI9O54bykYVWV6pF7lG0WRX cRpIPO15dAO9wfy/K5/f2obCDgd4zB0xYf9MqE1aZowCbWel3mbMVEWQK6VKUwAm fHMZRTNnMFDRCJ61lSptG1uTTYBqar9QZ3boICZCom/DyITeN4pC2VGCD3GVC3AH 9wuAP066jYGBom2r0d0/MyDiETIyTWKlyoTUoNakcQslwLPgnxoihzf8k3oDqYNA yinQ5fWEox9K8JzHQfOq+Y1aZ1x2ZrF3YVQpaq1U7C/4pB5+qSq0nn/jdY3D1kg= =iliF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Piratebrowser?
Those were patched in the release *before* the last. In other words, no one running a current browser, whether TBB or standard Firefox, was vulnerable at the time of the attack. Only out of date users were. -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Saturday, August 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Mikael MMN-o Nordfeldth wrote: I haven't quite followed the latest Mozilla security announcements (just installed the latest version when it hit my apt repository), but is this version patched with the vulnerabilities that were abused against Tor users? -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria
Nadim, I think it is good that Bill Gates is working to solve health issues that have been ignored because the people involved are mainly poor and dark complected. I think freedom of information, though, may be more important than you think. Take, for example, The Gambia, one of the poorest countries on Earth with all of the problems you mentioned. Oddly enough, the dictator running the country seems to be making a lot of money off the country's mineral riches while letting the majority of the people rot in poverty. It is not a coincidence that many of the poorest countries are the least well governed. Those governments also tend to have very restrictive information controls. In many ways, creating freer access to information may do more to to help some of these problems than anything else. Once people can know what is going on and control their destiny, they may be able to find a way out of poverty. Once dark complected people have money, the medical industry may be willing to invest in solving their problems and invest less in botox and erectile dysfunction medicines. -Richard On 8/10/2013 7:48 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: I actually agree with Bill Gates here. If I had his money, I would make sure people have clean water, toilets, condoms, before even starting to consider working on Internet access. Sure, his comments are below the belt as Andrés says below, but this is only because he is unfairly attacking a noble, unrelated project. But the question he raises is: if you have unlimited money and want to tackle what you perceive as a human rights necessity, what do you go for? From my perspective of the world, the Internet should be on the bottom of this list. Sure, it should *be* on the list, but people who think that it's a priority really need to examine the kind of awful problems that the world has right now. No water, no food, no shelter, no hygiene, no toilets, no education, no condoms, no medication… all of those things need to be solved before we start worrying about the lack of Internet. Michael Glassman notes (also earlier in this thread): Famine is not caused by lack of food but by lack of knowledge about access and location to food - something I believe is much more easily overcome through Internet access perhaps. It doesn't just work like that, I don't think. You don't just open Internet access and fund Internet centres and expect knowledge problems to work themselves out. Basic necessities need to be fulfilled first, and in that scenario, that deeply includes education. And in order to focus on education, you're going to need less malaria and more shelter, toilets and hygiene… I hope I'm making my point clearly here. This is a super interesting issue! I guess I'm going to stick to the conservative side here, though. The Internet is the current human rights issue for developed regions of the Middle East and North Africa (and deservedly so!!), but in some other parts of the world, we're just not there yet. There are more basic problems to solve, and this is only a testament to how harsh the world can be. NK On 2013-08-09, at 7:25 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon === Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just internet access === Google's Project Loon initiative wants to provide internet access for the developing world from a network of balloons floating in the stratosphere. Former Microsoft boss Bill Gates isn't keen on the idea. When you're dying of malaria , I suppose you'll look up and see that balloon, and I'm not sure how it'll help you. When a kid gets diarrhoea, no, there's no website that relieves that, Gates told Business Week, in an interview about the work of the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation. Certainly I'm a huge believer in the digital revolution. And connecting up primary-healthcare centres, connecting up schools, those are good things. But no, those are not, for the really low-income countries, unless you directly say we're going to do something about malaria. Gates also questioned Google's commitment to projects in developing countries through its Google.org arm and related initiatives. Google started out saying they were going to do a broad set of things. They hired Larry Brilliant, and they got fantastic publicity, said Gates. And then they shut it all down. Now they're just doing their core thing. Fine. But the actors who just do their core thing are not going to uplift the poor. Project Loon was announced in June as Google launched a pilot scheme with 30 balloons above New Zealand, providing internet access through receivers on the ground. We believe that it might actually be possible to build a ring of balloons, flying around the globe on the stratospheric winds, that provides Internet
Re: [liberationtech] Piratebrowser?
On 10/08/2013 23:32, Mikael MMN-o Nordfeldth wrote: On 2013-08-10 19:50, Al Billings wrote: In a WTF moment for me personally, a preconfigured Firefox 23 with Tor has come out from the Piratebay. http://piratebrowser.com/ I haven't quite followed the latest Mozilla security announcements (just installed the latest version when it hit my apt repository), but is this version patched with the vulnerabilities that were abused against Tor users? Especially as it seems to only be for Windows, which apparently was the in practice insecure Firefox platform. https://piratelinux.org/start/ :-) -- lilo http://wiki.debian.org/LILO -Da grande faro' il cattivo esempio, questo e' uno stage formativo- bit in rebels GnuPG/PGP Key-Id: 0x5D172559 FINGERPRINT: AB62 DC0E 3CB3 2B83 6333 5DF4 9674 A4B3 5D17 2559 server: pgp.mit.edu -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Piratebrowser?
I know that Pirate Linux started as a Pirate Party of Canada project, however, I am unsure if it is still being maintained. Though anyone who would like to help us out we would obviously be greatly appreciative of it. On 2013-08-10, at 6:02 PM, lilo wrote: On 10/08/2013 23:32, Mikael MMN-o Nordfeldth wrote: On 2013-08-10 19:50, Al Billings wrote: In a WTF moment for me personally, a preconfigured Firefox 23 with Tor has come out from the Piratebay. http://piratebrowser.com/ I haven't quite followed the latest Mozilla security announcements (just installed the latest version when it hit my apt repository), but is this version patched with the vulnerabilities that were abused against Tor users? Especially as it seems to only be for Windows, which apparently was the in practice insecure Firefox platform. https://piratelinux.org/start/ :-) -- lilo http://wiki.debian.org/LILO -Da grande faro' il cattivo esempio, questo e' uno stage formativo- bit in rebels GnuPG/PGP Key-Id: 0x5D172559 FINGERPRINT: AB62 DC0E 3CB3 2B83 6333 5DF4 9674 A4B3 5D17 2559 server: pgp.mit.edu -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria
There are two big problems with Gates' position (at least). 1. The solution of massive social issues such as, famine and clean water, are definitely beyond the reach of single individuals. As wealthy as Gates is, his resources are nothing when compared to the resources of states. Thus far in history, famine and clean water have been provided exclusively through broad, deliberate, and conscious application of state power. This is not the domain of bratty and wealthy individuals, who think they can take on the mission of states. 2. Famine is not caused by a lack of knowledge. It is caused by larger, overarching political issues such as, civil war, imperialism and colonialism, massive natural disasters and ineffective response to such disasters. The solution has to be political, not a function of knowledge, or the cash of wealthy individuals. Bono doesn't understand this, and neither does Gates. Thus, their efforts are essentially meaningless on a global scale. Or, some might argue, actually harmful. On 08/10/2013 05:38 PM, Richard Brooks wrote: Nadim, I think it is good that Bill Gates is working to solve health issues that have been ignored because the people involved are mainly poor and dark complected. I think freedom of information, though, may be more important than you think. Take, for example, The Gambia, one of the poorest countries on Earth with all of the problems you mentioned. Oddly enough, the dictator running the country seems to be making a lot of money off the country's mineral riches while letting the majority of the people rot in poverty. It is not a coincidence that many of the poorest countries are the least well governed. Those governments also tend to have very restrictive information controls. In many ways, creating freer access to information may do more to to help some of these problems than anything else. Once people can know what is going on and control their destiny, they may be able to find a way out of poverty. Once dark complected people have money, the medical industry may be willing to invest in solving their problems and invest less in botox and erectile dysfunction medicines. -Richard On 8/10/2013 7:48 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: I actually agree with Bill Gates here. If I had his money, I would make sure people have clean water, toilets, condoms, before even starting to consider working on Internet access. Sure, his comments are below the belt as Andrés says below, but this is only because he is unfairly attacking a noble, unrelated project. But the question he raises is: if you have unlimited money and want to tackle what you perceive as a human rights necessity, what do you go for? From my perspective of the world, the Internet should be on the bottom of this list. Sure, it should *be* on the list, but people who think that it's a priority really need to examine the kind of awful problems that the world has right now. No water, no food, no shelter, no hygiene, no toilets, no education, no condoms, no medication… all of those things need to be solved before we start worrying about the lack of Internet. Michael Glassman notes (also earlier in this thread): Famine is not caused by lack of food but by lack of knowledge about access and location to food - something I believe is much more easily overcome through Internet access perhaps. It doesn't just work like that, I don't think. You don't just open Internet access and fund Internet centres and expect knowledge problems to work themselves out. Basic necessities need to be fulfilled first, and in that scenario, that deeply includes education. And in order to focus on education, you're going to need less malaria and more shelter, toilets and hygiene… I hope I'm making my point clearly here. This is a super interesting issue! I guess I'm going to stick to the conservative side here, though. The Internet is the current human rights issue for developed regions of the Middle East and North Africa (and deservedly so!!), but in some other parts of the world, we're just not there yet. There are more basic problems to solve, and this is only a testament to how harsh the world can be. NK On 2013-08-09, at 7:25 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon === Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just internet access === Google's Project Loon initiative wants to provide internet access for the developing world from a network of balloons floating in the stratosphere. Former Microsoft boss Bill Gates isn't keen on the idea. When you're dying of malaria , I suppose you'll look up and see that balloon, and I'm not sure how it'll help you. When a kid gets diarrhoea, no, there's no website that relieves that, Gates told Business Week, in an interview about the
Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down
On 08/10/2013 11:37 AM, Arjen Kamphuis wrote: No unplanned outages in over 7.5 years with my provider. Another thing they do well alongside watches and chocolate ;-) (disclaimer: I have no relationship with any internet service provider other that as a satisfied customer) Hi Arjen, May I ask what Swiss providers would you recommend? Thanks. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria
In fairness to Gates, his main focus is tackling malaria and finding a vaccine for it. This is something where money is, in general, the main requirement for the most part. Famine, clean water, political instability are not easily solved by money. On Sunday, August 11, 2013, h0ost wrote: There are two big problems with Gates' position (at least). 1. The solution of massive social issues such as, famine and clean water, are definitely beyond the reach of single individuals. As wealthy as Gates is, his resources are nothing when compared to the resources of states. Thus far in history, famine and clean water have been provided exclusively through broad, deliberate, and conscious application of state power. This is not the domain of bratty and wealthy individuals, who think they can take on the mission of states. 2. Famine is not caused by a lack of knowledge. It is caused by larger, overarching political issues such as, civil war, imperialism and colonialism, massive natural disasters and ineffective response to such disasters. The solution has to be political, not a function of knowledge, or the cash of wealthy individuals. Bono doesn't understand this, and neither does Gates. Thus, their efforts are essentially meaningless on a global scale. Or, some might argue, actually harmful. On 08/10/2013 05:38 PM, Richard Brooks wrote: Nadim, I think it is good that Bill Gates is working to solve health issues that have been ignored because the people involved are mainly poor and dark complected. I think freedom of information, though, may be more important than you think. Take, for example, The Gambia, one of the poorest countries on Earth with all of the problems you mentioned. Oddly enough, the dictator running the country seems to be making a lot of money off the country's mineral riches while letting the majority of the people rot in poverty. It is not a coincidence that many of the poorest countries are the least well governed. Those governments also tend to have very restrictive information controls. In many ways, creating freer access to information may do more to to help some of these problems than anything else. Once people can know what is going on and control their destiny, they may be able to find a way out of poverty. Once dark complected people have money, the medical industry may be willing to invest in solving their problems and invest less in botox and erectile dysfunction medicines. -Richard On 8/10/2013 7:48 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: I actually agree with Bill Gates here. If I had his money, I would make sure people have clean water, toilets, condoms, before even starting to consider working on Internet access. Sure, his comments are below the belt as Andrés says below, but this is only because he is unfairly attacking a noble, unrelated project. But the question he raises is: if you have unlimited money and want to tackle what you perceive as a human rights necessity, what do you go for? From my perspective of the world, the Internet should be on the bottom of this list. Sure, it should *be* on the list, but people who think that it's a priority really need to examine the kind of awful problems that the world has right now. No water, no food, no shelter, no hygiene, no toilets, no education, no condoms, no medication… all of those things need to be solved before we start worrying about the lack of Internet. Michael Glassman notes (also earlier in this thread): Famine is not caused by lack of food but by lack of knowledge about access and location to food - something I believe is much more easily overcome through Internet access perhaps. It doesn't just work like that, I don't think. You don't just open Internet access and fund Internet centres and expect knowledge problems to work themselves out. Basic necessities need to be fulfilled first, and in that scenario, that deeply includes education. And in order to focus on education, you're going to need less malaria and more shelter, toilets and hygiene… I hope I'm making my point clearly here. This is a super interesting issue! I guess I'm going to stick to the conservative side here, though. The Internet is the current human rights issue for developed regions of the Middle East and North Africa (and deservedly so!!), but in some other parts of the world, we're just not there yet. There are more basic problems to solve, and this is only a testament to how harsh the world can be. NK On 2013-08-09, at 7:25 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon === Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just internet access === Google's Project Loon initiative wants to provide internet access for the developing world from a
Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???
On 10 August 2013 11:43, Michael Rogers mich...@briarproject.org wrote: If we assume that app stores aren't going away any time soon, we need to address this problem: How can a user who downloads an app from an app store be satisfied that it was built from published source code? We might also think about how to solve the problem for apps downloaded through browsers. Verifiable builds are necessary but not sufficient here - they allow an expert auditor to tell whether the binary she downloaded was built from the published source, but an attacker might target the binaries downloaded by certain other users without alerting the auditor. So we also need a way for a non-expert user to tell whether the binary she downloaded matches the one that was audited. Not having published in any app store, I'd like to know if my assumptions here are incorrect. I *think* that app stores take a binary you upload and run their static and dynamic checks on that. They then publish that binary without modification. (Indeed, how could they modify it? You sign it with your key.) In that case, I think a verifiable build system ala Gitian would work well. The trust web is such that knowledgeable users can replicate a build to a hash. That hash is what anyone downloads via the App Store, and less knowledgeable users, but users running rooted phones, can pull the binary off and check the hash. That hash is what's signed by the developer's private signing key. The app store can't substitute a different binary (no developer signing key), users can verify that the app was what the developer produced (via pulling the binary and checking the hash), and advanced users can verify that what the developer produced is what they produce via the replicable build process. -tom -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Piratebrowser?
For those interested, I'll point to the tor-talk thread:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-August/thread.html#29331
This does seem very focused on bypassing censorship - not providing
anonymity. The tiny FAQ at the bottom:
While it uses Tor network, which is designed for anonymous surfing,
this browser is intended just to circumvent censorship — to remove
limits on accessing websites your government doesn't want you to know
about.
Some other random stats for the curious.
Tor v0.2.3.25 (git-17c24b3118224d65)
Vidalia 0.2.21 (QT 4.8.1)
# Configured for speed
ExcludeSingleHopRelays 0
EnforceDistinctSubnets 0
AllowSingleHopCircuits 1
# Exclude countries that might have blocks
ExcludeExitNodes {dk},{ie},{gb},{nl},{be},{it},{cn},{ir},{fi},{no}
#Selected user prefs
user_pref(browser.startup.homepage, http://6kkgg7nth3sbuuwd.onion;);
user_pref(general.useragent.override, PB0.6b Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0);
-tom
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