Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On 01/09/15 10:21, Myself wrote: Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs Ah, democracy. America's deadliest export. http://williamblum.org/books/americas-deadliest-export JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Supporting the USG for helping Cuban activists connect to the Internet and check their emails is not ultra-right wing, it's the right thing to do. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Myself, I believe it is also time to Change the ultra-right wing viewpoints when analizing the potential ahead for Cuba. The current status quo in Cuba Re: Telecom is not good, but neither is the Government sanctioned and subsidized oligopoly we have here in the US! On Jan 9, 2015 10:22 AM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. They may be very well preparing the next shootdown of an airplane with american citizens onboard or looking for any other excuses they can come up with to return to the old status quo and blame the US for all their failings. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors. The fact is most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a feasible approach: http://www.shareable.net/blog/cuba-is-using-cooperatives-to-decentralize-its-economy The technologies I mention are in use already in Cuba, although outside the legal system and thus subject to confiscation - case in point the newsclip about dusmantlement of an underground wifi network leveraging Ubiquiti Networks technology. Now they have a chance to set up coops to provide the same service within the boundaries of the legal system. It is very important for the progressive technology sector (people like the subscribers to this list) to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players, especially those based on democratic control of the means of production, like Coops. On Jan 8, 2015 4:19 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? Relatively. It’s sand, somewhat processed. And it carries a lot of bits. Nothing else carries a lot of bits. So, since it’s the only option that actually carries lots of bits, it’s sorta academic how much it costs relative to other things, that don’t carry lots of bits. So, yes, less than a penny a strand-foot is cheap. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Myself, I believe it is also time to Change the ultra-right wing viewpoints when analizing the potential ahead for Cuba. The current status quo in Cuba Re: Telecom is not good, but neither is the Government sanctioned and subsidized oligopoly we have here in the US! On Jan 9, 2015 10:22 AM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. They may be very well preparing the next shootdown of an airplane with american citizens onboard or looking for any other excuses they can come up with to return to the old status quo and blame the US for all their failings. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors. The fact is most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a feasible approach: http://www.shareable.net/blog/cuba-is-using-cooperatives-to-decentralize-its-economy The technologies I mention are in use already in Cuba, although outside the legal system and thus subject to confiscation - case in point the newsclip about dusmantlement of an underground wifi network leveraging Ubiquiti Networks technology. Now they have a chance to set up coops to provide the same service within the boundaries of the legal system. It is very important for the progressive technology sector (people like the subscribers to this list) to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players, especially those based on democratic control of the means of production, like Coops. On Jan 8, 2015 4:19 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? Relatively. It’s sand, somewhat processed. And it carries a lot of bits. Nothing else carries a lot of bits. So, since it’s the only option that actually carries lots of bits, it’s sorta academic how much it costs relative to other things, that don’t carry lots of bits. So, yes, less than a penny a strand-foot is cheap. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Myself, No worries about future affordability. If telcos and tech companies expanded their services in Cuba it would expand competition and therefore makes those services more and more cheaper and affordable for the people and I promise you in that situation even nomads area can afford it. Let's give you some similar experiences: In my research, I call those states like Cuba, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Sudan, etc. as ICT-averse countries. In my country Iran, after 8 years reform era because of increasing those competition between telcos and tech companies now we have more than 100 million Sim cards and the population is 80 million since it is affordable for even poor people.(but those Sim-Card holders have back and force with other problem which is censorship, etc.). Recently, I had a chance to be in Sudan for the first time because of an ITU training event and I saw there because of that competition between MTN, Sudani, Canar, and Zain even in desert and tribal areas people could afford to buy such services. (the attached picture is one of those people that emphasized on the cell phone affordability). So, in case of Cuba, in addition to increase the competition between providers USG can spend more money on improving economic and educational infrastructure rather than working on sensitive issues that still those states are allergic to it. Ali On 9 January 2015 at 13:04, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Ali, I agree with you on this: encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services. This could be a good strategy. However, there's a reason the Cuban government is sensitive about the democracy programs. See highlighted below. e.g. If it weren't for them you would have never heard of Yoani Sanchez, Osvaldo Paya or Oscar Elias Biscet. Yoani would be too busy climbing 14 flights of stairs up and down and trying to give her kid something to eat for the day. It's a government strategy that works, hungry people in lines don't think about the Internet and the outside world. I didn't... The only way to appease a bully is to fight back. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they *provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors.* The fact is *most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive*, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. *Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones* and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. Rafael www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 12:38 PM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Myself truly states: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. However, if we worried about closing this window of opportunity by Cuban government then I think encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services from economical perspective would be more practical way *than promoting USG democracy promotion programs **(that Cuban government is very sensitive on it)*. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/12/17/fact-sheet-charting-new-course-cuba *Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely-* - Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. - The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:19 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/09/15 10:21, Myself wrote: Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs Ah, democracy. America's deadliest export. http://williamblum.org/books/americas-deadliest-export JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On 01/09/15 11:34, Myself wrote: Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. America exports democracy the way Genghis Khan exported the right to speak Mongolian. How did Graham Greene put it? Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Myself truly states: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. However, if we worried about closing this window of opportunity by Cuban government then I think encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services from economical perspective would be more practical way *than promoting USG democracy promotion programs **(that Cuban government is very sensitive on it)*. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/12/17/fact-sheet-charting-new-course-cuba *Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely-* - Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. - The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. - *Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba.* We even haven't received the highlighted part of this waiver for Iran but fortunately Cuba got it and now its strategy for implementation is very important. Ali On 9 January 2015 at 10:21, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. They may be very well preparing the next shootdown of an airplane with american citizens onboard or looking for any other excuses they can come up with to return to the old status quo and blame the US for all their failings. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors. The fact is most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a feasible approach: http://www.shareable.net/blog/cuba-is-using-cooperatives-to-decentralize-its-economy The technologies I mention are in use already in Cuba, although outside the legal system and thus subject to confiscation - case in point the newsclip about dusmantlement of an underground wifi network leveraging Ubiquiti Networks technology. Now they have a chance to set up coops to provide the same service within the boundaries of the legal system. It is very important for the progressive technology sector (people like the subscribers to this list) to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players, especially those based on democratic control of the means of production, like Coops. On Jan 8, 2015 4:19 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Yeah, I see you have a lot of innocence... Consider the alternative exports of the super power that lost the cold war, you and your entire family could be in a Siberian concentration camp right now just for trying to connect to the internet you take for granted so easily. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:46 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/09/15 11:34, Myself wrote: Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. America exports democracy the way Genghis Khan exported the right to speak Mongolian. How did Graham Greene put it? Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
..on Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 11:34:02AM -0500, Myself wrote: Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. ...along with the choice to judge a book by its cover. Or not. I've heard the book is an excellent and very well researched read and so look forward to reading it. That cover art however.. meh. Julian On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:19 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/09/15 10:21, Myself wrote: Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs Ah, democracy. America's deadliest export. http://williamblum.org/books/americas-deadliest-export JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Julian Oliver http://julianoliver.com http://criticalengineering.org PGP key: https://julianoliver.com/key.asc Beware the auto-complete life. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. They may be very well preparing the next shootdown of an airplane with american citizens onboard or looking for any other excuses they can come up with to return to the old status quo and blame the US for all their failings. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors. The fact is most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a feasible approach: http://www.shareable.net/blog/cuba-is-using-cooperatives-to-decentralize-its-economy The technologies I mention are in use already in Cuba, although outside the legal system and thus subject to confiscation - case in point the newsclip about dusmantlement of an underground wifi network leveraging Ubiquiti Networks technology. Now they have a chance to set up coops to provide the same service within the boundaries of the legal system. It is very important for the progressive technology sector (people like the subscribers to this list) to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players, especially those based on democratic control of the means of production, like Coops. On Jan 8, 2015 4:19 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? Relatively. It’s sand, somewhat processed. And it carries a lot of bits. Nothing else carries a lot of bits. So, since it’s the only option that actually carries lots of bits, it’s sorta academic how much it costs relative to other things, that don’t carry lots of bits. So, yes, less than a penny a strand-foot is cheap. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Cuba is NOT AT ALL LIKE NORTH KOREA. That is an ultra-right nutjob statement Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:19 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/09/15 13:04, Myself wrote: The only way to appease a bully is to fight back. I agree! Let's give a giant, collective middle finger to Uncle Sam, now, shall we? JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Ali, I agree with you on this: encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services. This could be a good strategy. However, there's a reason the Cuban government is sensitive about the democracy programs. See highlighted below. e.g. If it weren't for them you would have never heard of Yoani Sanchez, Osvaldo Paya or Oscar Elias Biscet. Yoani would be too busy climbing 14 flights of stairs up and down and trying to give her kid something to eat for the day. It's a government strategy that works, hungry people in lines don't think about the Internet and the outside world. I didn't... The only way to appease a bully is to fight back. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they *provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors.* The fact is *most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive*, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. *Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones* and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. Rafael www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 12:38 PM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Myself truly states: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. However, if we worried about closing this window of opportunity by Cuban government then I think encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services from economical perspective would be more practical way *than promoting USG democracy promotion programs **(that Cuban government is very sensitive on it)*. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/12/17/fact-sheet-charting-new-course-cuba *Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely-* - Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. - The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. - *Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba.* We even haven't received the highlighted part of this waiver for Iran but fortunately Cuba got it and now its strategy for implementation is very important. Ali On 9 January 2015 at 10:21, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. They may be very well preparing the next shootdown of an airplane with american citizens onboard or looking for any other excuses they can come up with to return to the old status quo and blame the US for all their failings. Also, very important at this time
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On 01/09/15 13:04, Myself wrote: The only way to appease a bully is to fight back. I agree! Let's give a giant, collective middle finger to Uncle Sam, now, shall we? JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On 01/09/15 12:04, Myself wrote: Yeah, I see you have a lot of innocence... Consider the alternative exports of the super power that lost the cold war, you and your entire family could be in a Siberian concentration camp right now just for trying to connect to the internet you take for granted so easily. One of these days you are going to wake up and realize that everything you've been told about America is a lie. And on that day, you are going to be very, very angry. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
This is Cuba, not Iran, Sudan or whatever, more like North Korea, just closer to the US. There's no competition, communications are a state monopoly called ETECSA controlled by a military commander. Regular Cubans earn about $20 a month and the government makes sure they stay extremely poor so they stay in power. The cheapest Internet plans in the free world cost more than what Cubans make in a month. Good luck with competition and wishful thinking... PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:06 PM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Myself, No worries about future affordability. If telcos and tech companies expanded their services in Cuba it would expand competition and therefore makes those services more and more cheaper and affordable for the people and I promise you in that situation even nomads area can afford it. Let's give you some similar experiences: In my research, I call those states like Cuba, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Sudan, etc. as ICT-averse countries. In my country Iran, after 8 years reform era because of increasing those competition between telcos and tech companies now we have more than 100 million Sim cards and the population is 80 million since it is affordable for even poor people.(but those Sim-Card holders have back and force with other problem which is censorship, etc.). Recently, I had a chance to be in Sudan for the first time because of an ITU training event and I saw there because of that competition between MTN, Sudani, Canar, and Zain even in desert and tribal areas people could afford to buy such services. (the attached picture is one of those people that emphasized on the cell phone affordability). So, in case of Cuba, in addition to increase the competition between providers USG can spend more money on improving economic and educational infrastructure rather than working on sensitive issues that still those states are allergic to it. Ali On 9 January 2015 at 13:04, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Ali, I agree with you on this: encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services. This could be a good strategy. However, there's a reason the Cuban government is sensitive about the democracy programs. See highlighted below. e.g. If it weren't for them you would have never heard of Yoani Sanchez, Osvaldo Paya or Oscar Elias Biscet. Yoani would be too busy climbing 14 flights of stairs up and down and trying to give her kid something to eat for the day. It's a government strategy that works, hungry people in lines don't think about the Internet and the outside world. I didn't... The only way to appease a bully is to fight back. Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs because, among many other positives not related to the tech world, they *provide some economic independence to Cuban activists and civil society actors.* The fact is *most people in Cuba depend on government jobs to survive*, to be able to eat at a minimum. The few cuentapropistas (ultra small private businesses) are very heavily controlled and taxed, government inspectors remove their licenses for anything they don't like. *Money from the USG democracy promotion programs allows many Cuban activists to pay for the little bit of censored Internet access they now have at the Nauta navigation rooms, they can pay for email (also through Nauta) and International SMS on their phones* and report abroad and inside Cuba what's happening in the island. If these programs didn't exist, most Cuban activists would be looking for food all day and affording $5 an hour for Internet access would be nothing but a dream to them. It's no wonder they are constantly vilified as shady by the cuban government costly media campaigns and their no so disguised Cuba offices in the US. It's a very thick thorn on their foot. Rafael www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 12:38 PM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Myself truly states: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later retrench to their old ways as soon as they can afford it. However, if we worried about closing this window of opportunity by Cuban government then I think encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services from economical perspective would be more
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Here's a feasible approach: http://www.shareable.net/blog/cuba-is-using-cooperatives-to-decentralize-its-economy The technologies I mention are in use already in Cuba, although outside the legal system and thus subject to confiscation - case in point the newsclip about dusmantlement of an underground wifi network leveraging Ubiquiti Networks technology. Now they have a chance to set up coops to provide the same service within the boundaries of the legal system. It is very important for the progressive technology sector (people like the subscribers to this list) to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players, especially those based on democratic control of the means of production, like Coops. On Jan 8, 2015 4:19 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? Relatively. It’s sand, somewhat processed. And it carries a lot of bits. Nothing else carries a lot of bits. So, since it’s the only option that actually carries lots of bits, it’s sorta academic how much it costs relative to other things, that don’t carry lots of bits. So, yes, less than a penny a strand-foot is cheap. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
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Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:25 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: Can't you see the bars of your cage? https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/500130322810273794 On 01/05/15 19:34, Myself wrote: You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Amen to that Andres Leopoldo, Back to the original post, the fact is that with US restrictions out of the way Internet could be in the homes of most Cubans in a matter of months if the Cuban government lifted customs restrictions on home satellite and wi-fi equipment. The typical excuses: the embargo and infrastructure costs are only that, lame excuses. Cuban exiles would gladly foot the bill to be able to communicate with their families, no need for costly infrastructure and no problem paying american satellite companies for the service. Of course, Cuba's government would not accept it because they are afraid of losing control and power but the least we can do is put some media pressure on it. The next time a Cuba expert speaks at an American university or the to the media blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet there should be some serious questions raised by the members of this group. http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not do any flaming, it's so démodé... BUT Cuba is close to my heart, AND there's a lot of BS going around Let them have their itty bitty piece of the Internet and then some Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. There are two words for the inevitable. One is progress. The other is tragedy. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Unfortunately, the typical elitist, leftist, caviar communists conveniently believe that Internet is bad for you (the people), good for them. They think they are better, smarter (they always better know what to ban/censor) and deserve more than everyone else only to be the first in the bourgeois line to the firing squads once their revolutions are taken over by authoritarian leaders. That's a big part of the mentality that needs to be changed in Cuba. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:25 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: Can't you see the bars of your cage? https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/500130322810273794 On 01/05/15 19:34, Myself wrote: You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. There are two words for the inevitable. One is progress. The other is tragedy. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Let's not do any flaming, it's so démodé... BUT Cuba is close to my heart, AND there's a lot of BS going around Let them have their itty bitty piece of the Internet and then some Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. There are two words for the inevitable. One is progress. The other is tragedy. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
That's right, there's a small window of opportunity here for community projects to develop a horizontal and free Internet for the people. There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to that Andres Leopoldo, Back to the original post, the fact is that with US restrictions out of the way Internet could be in the homes of most Cubans in a matter of months if the Cuban government lifted customs restrictions on home satellite and wi-fi equipment. The typical excuses: the embargo and infrastructure costs are only that, lame excuses. Cuban exiles would gladly foot the bill to be able to communicate with their families, no need for costly infrastructure and no problem paying american satellite companies for the service. Of course, Cuba's government would not accept it because they are afraid of losing control and power but the least we can do is put some media pressure on it. The next time a Cuba expert speaks at an American university or the to the media blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet there should be some serious questions raised by the members of this group. http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not do any flaming, it's so démodé... BUT Cuba is close to my heart, AND there's a lot of BS going around Let them have their itty bitty piece of the Internet and then some Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. There are two words for the inevitable. One is progress. The other is tragedy. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Hi, You just mentioned that There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. What technologies you mean? Can you give me some examples? Best, Ali On 8 January 2015 at 14:16, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: That's right, there's a small window of opportunity here for community projects to develop a horizontal and free Internet for the people. There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to that Andres Leopoldo, Back to the original post, the fact is that with US restrictions out of the way Internet could be in the homes of most Cubans in a matter of months if the Cuban government lifted customs restrictions on home satellite and wi-fi equipment. The typical excuses: the embargo and infrastructure costs are only that, lame excuses. Cuban exiles would gladly foot the bill to be able to communicate with their families, no need for costly infrastructure and no problem paying american satellite companies for the service. Of course, Cuba's government would not accept it because they are afraid of losing control and power but the least we can do is put some media pressure on it. The next time a Cuba expert speaks at an American university or the to the media blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet there should be some serious questions raised by the members of this group. http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not do any flaming, it's so démodé... BUT Cuba is close to my heart, AND there's a lot of BS going around Let them have their itty bitty piece of the Internet and then some Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. There are two words for the inevitable. One is progress. The other is tragedy. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- S.Aliakbar Mousavi -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? Relatively. It’s sand, somewhat processed. And it carries a lot of bits. Nothing else carries a lot of bits. So, since it’s the only option that actually carries lots of bits, it’s sorta academic how much it costs relative to other things, that don’t carry lots of bits. So, yes, less than a penny a strand-foot is cheap. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:21 AM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You just mentioned that There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. What technologies you mean? Can you give me some examples? It’s called fiber. As always, the problem is not a technological one, so the technological solution doesn’t answer the actual problem. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
I'm no expert, but I've been following a few developments: Open source mesh networking hw/sw like those featured in VillageTelco.org. Wireless backbone hw/sw like that offered by Ubiquiti Networks And then big ticket gorillas like Google Fiber and Eric Schmidt, who apparently has been talking with Cuban officials.. Combine those 2 and you get interesting things. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:21 PM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You just mentioned that There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. What technologies you mean? Can you give me some examples? Best, Ali On 8 January 2015 at 14:16, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: That's right, there's a small window of opportunity here for community projects to develop a horizontal and free Internet for the people. There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to that Andres Leopoldo, Back to the original post, the fact is that with US restrictions out of the way Internet could be in the homes of most Cubans in a matter of months if the Cuban government lifted customs restrictions on home satellite and wi-fi equipment. The typical excuses: the embargo and infrastructure costs are only that, lame excuses. Cuban exiles would gladly foot the bill to be able to communicate with their families, no need for costly infrastructure and no problem paying american satellite companies for the service. Of course, Cuba's government would not accept it because they are afraid of losing control and power but the least we can do is put some media pressure on it. The next time a Cuba expert speaks at an American university or the to the media blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet there should be some serious questions raised by the members of this group. http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not do any flaming, it's so démodé... BUT Cuba is close to my heart, AND there's a lot of BS going around Let them have their itty bitty piece of the Internet and then some Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. There are two words for the inevitable. One is progress. The other is tragedy. JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- S.Aliakbar Mousavi -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Can't you see the bars of your cage? https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/500130322810273794 On 01/05/15 19:34, Myself wrote: You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. Most of the aforementioned technologies were authorized in September 2009 under the Consumer Communications Devices rules. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/15/740.19 -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/17/white-house-fact-sheet-on-cuba-whats-changing/ this might be relevant to the list. regards, Claro. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing
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Sure, but the media hype and conditions to put some pressure are happening now. The ball is in Cuba's court. On Jan 5, 2015 6:04 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. Most of the aforementioned technologies were authorized in September 2009 under the Consumer Communications Devices rules. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/15/740.19 -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/17/white-house-fact-sheet-on-cuba-whats-changing/
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net Initiating
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net mailto:n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
http://www.rferl.mobi/a/why-technology-penetration-rates/24805097.html On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, 4:34 PM Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com mailto:j...@porup.com wrote: As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want to make it easy for the jackbooted (if red white and blue) thug next door to stomp all over me and re-install the next Batista? JMP -- J.M. Porup www.JMPorup.com http://www.JMPorup.com PGP fingerprint: 1442 C867 3E9D 14A1 58FC 2266 6AC3 56C1 D73A 6884 On 01/05/15 15:59, Myself wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com mailto:falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com http://www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service with plans starting at $40 a month for a 5 megabits plan. Cuba is in the coverage area, already some Cubans illegally connect to the internet this way. This wouldn't require any infrastructure costs from the Cuban government, in fact, small neighborhood service providers via Wi-Fi could be legalized and the government could collect taxes from them in a similar way they are taxing cuentapropistas (small business owners) now. In a matter of months most neighborhoods in Cuba could be connected. Cuban exiles have the economic means and desire to communicate with their families over the Internet. The only thing standing in the way are Cuban custom's regulations and the Cuban government's willingness to allow Internet access in a massive scale. The Cuban government should stop blaming the embargo for the lack of Internet access and start moving forward, it's time to put some pressure on them too. More info (Spanish): Exiliados cubanos podrían costear acceso a Internet: http://www.cubanet.org/tecnologia-2/exiliados-cubanos-podrian-costear-acceso-a-internet/ regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/17/white-house-fact-sheet-on-cuba-whats-changing/ this might be relevant to the list. regards, Claro. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the barrio offline Wi-Fi networks have been rampant this year. It's too early to tell if the new measures will mean more openness or more wariness on the cuban side. Proceed with caution and without jeopardizing american citizens in the process. http://www.cubanet.org/noticias/desmantela-etecsa-red-clandestina-de-wi-fi-en-vibora-park/ http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/548e5be53a682e084cff2ad0#.VJNBmXuWmQc regards, Rafael www.lasingularidad.com PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote: From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/17/white-house-fact-sheet-on-cuba-whats-changing/ this might be relevant to the list. regards, Claro. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration
From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited. The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems. Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/17/white-house-fact-sheet-on-cuba-whats-changing/ this might be relevant to the list. regards, Claro. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
