Re: [liberationtech] [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?]

2013-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:00:56 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?]
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...
 And about a decade ago there was a researcher who compiled
 fiber right-of-way maps from public sources and wrote a paper
 discussing vulnerability of Internet structure to physical attack.
 The details were omitted due to 'security' ...

you're likely thinking of Sean Gorman's dissertation:

Networks, complexity, and security: the role of public policy in
critical infrastructure protection
 http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1023236


 yet crowdrecreating/finding
 that work/paper would yield similar IX locations for discussion.

path diversity at the physical layer would be useful to consider, and
you could do this without the fine grained location and capacity
details that makes the above critical infrastructure vulnerabilities
less a concern.

detailed and specific plats/maps akin to what Sean aggregated and
analyzed get you unwelcome scrutiny ;)


 Big fiber junctions are often not in giant buildings with telecom
 logos on them.

c.f. cable landing sites in US:
  http://207.198.103.187:8081/wci.jpg

see also:
  http://cryptome.org/eyeball/cable/cable-eyeball.htm
  http://cryptome.org/eyeball/cablew/cablew-eyeball.htm
  http://cryptome.org/nsa-seatap.htm
  http://cryptome.org/telecomm-weak.htm
  http://cryptome.org/nsa-fibertap.htm
  http://cryptome.org/nsa-lynn.htm

and telegeography's submarine cable map:
  http://www.submarinecablemap.com/
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Re: [liberationtech] [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?]

2013-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:17:50 -0700
From: coderman coder...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?]
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regarding questions about:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:00 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...
 c.f. cable landing sites in US:
   http://207.198.103.187:8081/wci.jpg


the lower images are the facilities at the landing site, the upper
images the termination / peering point a few score miles down fiber.

the secondary power and cooling infrastructure for the new facilities
indicate the scope of additional equipment applied at a landing site
previously served by much more modest footprint.
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