Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Hi LibTech, Many thanks congrats to the Tor Project team for this really easy-to-use new version, I hardly see any reason why someone who can run an 'average browser' wouldn't be able to use this one. For non-techies looking for user-friendly privacy tools, that's pretty cool :) Still, there was something that I liked in the Vidalia control panel -- the possibility to relay traffic via the 'setup relaying' button. I didn't find any corresponding settings in the new version. So, 1/ does this mean that any user of the new Tor Browser is a relay by default ? (I wouldn't like that much), or 2/ does this mean that any user is, by default, NOT a relay ? (I wouldn't like this at all, being part of the network while using it always appeared to me as a matter of principle), or 3/ are these settings so well hidden that you can't find it via GUI ? or, 4/ am I just blind and/or dumb ? (I can't reasonably exclude this option.) Best, Amaelle Le 17/06/2013 15:45, Jacob Appelbaum a écrit : Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! -- Amaelle Guiton Journalisme radio-actif @ Le Mouv' (Radio France) Auteur de Hackers : Au cœur de la résistance numérique (Au Diable Vauvert) hackers.micro-ouvert.net -- PGP Key 0x5AF9 Fingerprint 4D45 9E75 9D0B 098C 6D85 F839 0373 A9CB 5AF9 -- twitter.com/micro_ouvert XMPP : micro_ouv...@jabber.ubuntu-fr.org -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users will be able to solve this issue, much less be aware it is an issue(I only recently(2 years back?) realized it exists on Windows, much less Mac). Any thoughts about this, besides trial and error? B On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated( https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Brian Conley Director, Small World News http://smallworldnews.tv m: 646.285.2046 Skype: brianjoelconley -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org http://torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. What kind of processor do you have? Inter Core 2 Duo, Intel Quad-Core Xeon, or Intel Core i5 and i7 all are 64 bit. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users will be able to solve this issue, much less be aware it is an issue(I only recently(2 years back?) realized it exists on Windows, much less Mac). Any thoughts about this, besides trial and error? B On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com mailto:mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated(https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net mailto:ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ https://people.torproject.org/%7Emikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org mailto:mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org mailto:mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp mailto:mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp mailto:hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Brian Conley Director, Small World News http://smallworldnews.tv http://smallworldnews.tv/ m: 646.285.2046 Skype: brianjoelconley -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Brian On Jun 24, 2013 3:18 PM, Dragana Kaurin kau...@openitp.org wrote: On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. What kind of processor do you have? Inter Core 2 Duo, Intel Quad-Core Xeon, or Intel Core i5 and i7 all are 64 bit. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users will be able to solve this issue, much less be aware it is an issue(I only recently(2 years back?) realized it exists on Windows, much less Mac). Any thoughts about this, besides trial and error? B On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated( https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Brian Conley Director, Small World News http://smallworldnews.tv m: 646.285.2046 Skype: brianjoelconley -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Brian Conley: Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Hi Brian, So a few things - one is that if you go into About this mac you should see a system profiler link or a details button of some sort. This should allow you to see the details of the hardware. You may also find this system profiler application by searching with spotlight, I think it is in /Applications/Utilities/ - or something similar. Next up - if you have a 64bit mac, I think you can run 32bit mac os x programs without any issues at all. Thus if you download the TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip file and verify it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Verify it by checking the signature of the hash list and then ensure that the hash for your TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip file matches: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/sha256sum.txt.asc https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/sha256sum.txt In the case of the OS X build for the English speaking audience, you should see a sha256sum of: c141e2db01a395bdd480357b1b808691f2a61f4d12e9039806fe0ac538d2e38d TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip If you download it to your downloads file, I believe on OS X you can see the hash by opening Terminal.app, change to the Downloads directory and then run the sha256sum command or the openssl command to verify the hash: cd ~/Downloads sha256sum TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Or if that doesn't work, I believe you can just type the following: openssl dgst -sha256 ~/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip The output should look like this: SHA256(/Users/x/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip)= c141e2db01a395bdd480357b1b808691f2a61f4d12e9039806fe0ac538d2e38d Once you have verified that these match the expected value, open the .zip file: open ~/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Extract the TBB folder into /Applications/ for example. Now run it with the Finder as you would any other application. All the best, Jacob P.S. Please upgrade your Mac OS X version; I would not suggest running anything less than 10.8.x if I had a desire to stay safe. Apple tends to treat older OS X versions differently than the most current version of the OS. Brian On Jun 24, 2013 3:18 PM, Dragana Kaurin kau...@openitp.org wrote: On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. What kind of processor do you have? Inter Core 2 Duo, Intel Quad-Core Xeon, or Intel Core i5 and i7 all are 64 bit. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users will be able to solve this issue, much less be aware it is an issue(I only recently(2 years back?) realized it exists on Windows, much less Mac). Any thoughts about this, besides trial and error? B On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated( https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
On 2013-06-24, at 3:43 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Brian Conley: Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Hi Brian, So a few things - one is that if you go into About this mac you should see a system profiler link or a details button of some sort. This should allow you to see the details of the hardware. You may also find this system profiler application by searching with spotlight, I think it is in /Applications/Utilities/ - or something similar. Next up - if you have a 64bit mac, I think you can run 32bit mac os x programs without any issues at all. Thus if you download the TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip file and verify it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Yup, works on my 64-bit Mac just fine. Should work for you too, Brian. NK Verify it by checking the signature of the hash list and then ensure that the hash for your TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip file matches: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/sha256sum.txt.asc https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/sha256sum.txt In the case of the OS X build for the English speaking audience, you should see a sha256sum of: c141e2db01a395bdd480357b1b808691f2a61f4d12e9039806fe0ac538d2e38d TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip If you download it to your downloads file, I believe on OS X you can see the hash by opening Terminal.app, change to the Downloads directory and then run the sha256sum command or the openssl command to verify the hash: cd ~/Downloads sha256sum TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Or if that doesn't work, I believe you can just type the following: openssl dgst -sha256 ~/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip The output should look like this: SHA256(/Users/x/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip)= c141e2db01a395bdd480357b1b808691f2a61f4d12e9039806fe0ac538d2e38d Once you have verified that these match the expected value, open the .zip file: open ~/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Extract the TBB folder into /Applications/ for example. Now run it with the Finder as you would any other application. All the best, Jacob P.S. Please upgrade your Mac OS X version; I would not suggest running anything less than 10.8.x if I had a desire to stay safe. Apple tends to treat older OS X versions differently than the most current version of the OS. Brian On Jun 24, 2013 3:18 PM, Dragana Kaurin kau...@openitp.org wrote: On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. What kind of processor do you have? Inter Core 2 Duo, Intel Quad-Core Xeon, or Intel Core i5 and i7 all are 64 bit. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users will be able to solve this issue, much less be aware it is an issue(I only recently(2 years back?) realized it exists on Windows, much less Mac). Any thoughts about this, besides trial and error? B On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated( https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: On 2013-06-24, at 3:43 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Brian Conley: Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Hi Brian, So a few things - one is that if you go into About this mac you should see a system profiler link or a details button of some sort. This should allow you to see the details of the hardware. You may also find this system profiler application by searching with spotlight, I think it is in /Applications/Utilities/ - or something similar. Next up - if you have a 64bit mac, I think you can run 32bit mac os x programs without any issues at all. Thus if you download the TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip file and verify it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Yup, works on my 64-bit Mac just fine. Should work for you too, Brian. NK Verify it by checking the signature of the hash list and then ensure that the hash for your TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip file matches: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/sha256sum.txt.asc https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/sha256sum.txt In the case of the OS X build for the English speaking audience, you should see a sha256sum of: c141e2db01a395bdd480357b1b808691f2a61f4d12e9039806fe0ac538d2e38d TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip If you download it to your downloads file, I believe on OS X you can see the hash by opening Terminal.app, change to the Downloads directory and then run the sha256sum command or the openssl command to verify the hash: cd ~/Downloads sha256sum TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Or if that doesn't work, I believe you can just type the following: openssl dgst -sha256 ~/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip The output should look like this: SHA256(/Users/x/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip)= c141e2db01a395bdd480357b1b808691f2a61f4d12e9039806fe0ac538d2e38d Once you have verified that these match the expected value, open the .zip file: open ~/Downloads/TorBrowserBundle-3.0-alpha-1-osx32_en-US.zip Extract the TBB folder into /Applications/ for example. Now run it with the Finder as you would any other application. All the best, Jacob P.S. Please upgrade your Mac OS X version; I would not suggest running anything less than 10.8.x if I had a desire to stay safe. Apple tends to treat older OS X versions differently than the most current version of the OS. Brian On Jun 24, 2013 3:18 PM, Dragana Kaurin kau...@openitp.org wrote: On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. What kind of processor do you have? Inter Core 2 Duo, Intel Quad-Core Xeon, or Intel Core i5 and i7 all are 64 bit. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users will be able to solve this issue, much less be aware it is an issue(I only recently(2 years back?) realized it exists on Windows, much less Mac). Any thoughts about this, besides trial and error? B On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated( https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it:
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no plugins, uses HTTPS and is fine with Tor is the best bet. What meets that requirement right now? Oh also, with search results that are relevant, useful and so on? I honestly don't even know anymore. :( All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Michael Carbone: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion I generally feel friendly to DuckDuckGo. I wonder how it performs for search between https://duckduckgo.com/ and http://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion - has anyone performed any queries and computed information about time to connect, delays in searching, etc? Some kind analysis would be useful. Especially if we compare results and timing with other choices. All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Quoth Jacob Appelbaum: I wonder how it performs for search between https://duckduckgo.com/ and http://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion - has anyone performed any queries and computed information about time to connect, delays in searching, etc? Some kind analysis would be useful. Especially if we compare results and timing with other choices. I haven't done any formal testing, but I use the above hidden service regularly, and it doesn't seem to be any slower or less reliable than https://duckduckgo.com/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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I prefer DuckDuckGo as well - although the other option is convincing StartPage to be less censorious... On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG because while both being privacy aware, start page had more relevant search results. However these days I personally find that DDG's results are often more relevant than start page. They also have a page that does not require cookies or JS at https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 01:54 PM, Michael Carbone wrote: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion Michael On 06/24/2013 04:38 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no plugins, uses HTTPS and is fine with Tor is the best bet. What meets that requirement right now? Oh also, with search results that are relevant, useful and so on? I honestly don't even know anymore. :( All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - *Vaclav Havel* -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like this in Tor Browser to avoid search filtering. Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS (O) 415-738-0456 (C) 510 827 5382 1201 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd, Oakland, CA PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 02:26 PM, Jillian C. York wrote: I prefer DuckDuckGo as well - although the other option is convincing StartPage to be less censorious... On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.org mailto:coo...@radicaldesigns.org wrote: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG because while both being privacy aware, start page had more relevant search results. However these days I personally find that DDG's results are often more relevant than start page. They also have a page that does not require cookies or JS at https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 01:54 PM, Michael Carbone wrote: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion Michael On 06/24/2013 04:38 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no plugins, uses HTTPS and is fine with Tor is the best bet. What meets that requirement right now? Oh also, with search results that are relevant, useful and so on? I honestly don't even know anymore. :( All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/*| *twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - /Vaclav Havel/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Jillian, It is also worth noting that DDG has safe search enabled by default as well. Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 02:26 PM, Jillian C. York wrote: I prefer DuckDuckGo as well - although the other option is convincing StartPage to be less censorious... On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.org mailto:coo...@radicaldesigns.org wrote: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG because while both being privacy aware, start page had more relevant search results. However these days I personally find that DDG's results are often more relevant than start page. They also have a page that does not require cookies or JS at https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 01:54 PM, Michael Carbone wrote: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion Michael On 06/24/2013 04:38 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no plugins, uses HTTPS and is fine with Tor is the best bet. What meets that requirement right now? Oh also, with search results that are relevant, useful and so on? I honestly don't even know anymore. :( All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/*| *twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - /Vaclav Havel/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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+1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like this in Tor Browser to avoid search filtering. Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS (O) 415-738-0456 (C) 510 827 5382 1201 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd, Oakland, CA PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 02:26 PM, Jillian C. York wrote: I prefer DuckDuckGo as well - although the other option is convincing StartPage to be less censorious... On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.org mailto:coo...@radicaldesigns.org wrote: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG because while both being privacy aware, start page had more relevant search results. However these days I personally find that DDG's results are often more relevant than start page. They also have a page that does not require cookies or JS at https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 01:54 PM, Michael Carbone wrote: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion Michael On 06/24/2013 04:38 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no plugins, uses HTTPS and is fine with Tor is the best bet. What meets that requirement right now? Oh also, with search results that are relevant, useful and so on? I honestly don't even know anymore. :( All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/*| *twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - /Vaclav Havel/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 site: jilliancyork.com http://jilliancyork.com/* | * twitter: @jilliancyork* * We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the seemingly impossible to become a reality - *Vaclav Havel* -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like this in Tor Browser to avoid search filtering. It would be great if this was the default home page. I'd certainly be happier with that as the default search engine. All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Cooper Quintin: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG because while both being privacy aware, start page had more relevant search results. However these days I personally find that DDG's results are often more relevant than start page. I find StartPage/Google immensely superior to Duckduckgo/Bing when searching the long tail of technical material (which I do frequently). This has always been the case, and has not changed these days, or ever. One example: Try querying both engines for deterministic builds and compare what you find on the front page of each. By result 10, DuckDuckGo starts rambling about free will, philosophy, and life planning. Startpage on the other hand, actually already includes this very thread in the first page results. I am curious which types of queries people perceive DuckDuckGo/Bing to be better at. Is it only better if you're searching for hoodies, movies, video games, and other mainstream things? They also have a page that does not require cookies or JS at https://duckduckgo.com/html/ I am not aware of any JS or cookie requirement via StartPage either, and Startpage allows you to generate your own URL with the safesearch features disabled (so you do not need cookies). You can then create a keyword search for this URL. I am not sure if we want to make that our default search option, but I might be convinced to merge a third omnibox dropdown for it. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Jacob Appelbaum: Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like this in Tor Browser to avoid search filtering. It would be great if this was the default home page. I'd certainly be happier with that as the default search engine. I don't have anything against porn, and do I strongly believe we should make it easy for people to search for whatever they want (hence right now, I like the idea of adding a Startpage (unfiltered) omnibox item rather than changing the default), but I am not sure that I like the idea of exposing people to porn who are not looking for it. I worry that changing the default *might* do this. Two things could tip the scales in my mind either way about the default: 1. Can anyone provide concrete examples where the image and/or video filters of Startpage/Google (I think Startpage just uses Google's filters) have inadvertently censored material that is not porn, and this error has persisted uncorrected for a significant period of time? I think it is important to weigh this against people being provided with porn results if they are not actually looking for porn -- which is an important issue of consent, IMO. I am sure there are many Muslim users of TBB who do not want to see porn at all, and merely want free access to information. The possibility of subjecting those people to porn potentially against their will weighs on me a bit.. 2. The converse is that making people in the Islamic world who *are* looking for porn potentially signal this via their omnibox choice isn't a great option either, since that choice can leak to disk. I don't think it is fair to allow these people to potentially subject themselves to government persecution via this choice. :/ I am open to suggestions on how to balance these concerns. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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I'd just like to add that I'm a DuckDuckGo user myself and that I can definitely vouch for the service. NK On 2013-06-24, at 6:50 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: Jacob Appelbaum: Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like this in Tor Browser to avoid search filtering. It would be great if this was the default home page. I'd certainly be happier with that as the default search engine. I don't have anything against porn, and do I strongly believe we should make it easy for people to search for whatever they want (hence right now, I like the idea of adding a Startpage (unfiltered) omnibox item rather than changing the default), but I am not sure that I like the idea of exposing people to porn who are not looking for it. I worry that changing the default *might* do this. Two things could tip the scales in my mind either way about the default: 1. Can anyone provide concrete examples where the image and/or video filters of Startpage/Google (I think Startpage just uses Google's filters) have inadvertently censored material that is not porn, and this error has persisted uncorrected for a significant period of time? I think it is important to weigh this against people being provided with porn results if they are not actually looking for porn -- which is an important issue of consent, IMO. I am sure there are many Muslim users of TBB who do not want to see porn at all, and merely want free access to information. The possibility of subjecting those people to porn potentially against their will weighs on me a bit.. 2. The converse is that making people in the Islamic world who *are* looking for porn potentially signal this via their omnibox choice isn't a great option either, since that choice can leak to disk. I don't think it is fair to allow these people to potentially subject themselves to government persecution via this choice. :/ I am open to suggestions on how to balance these concerns. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Mike Perry: Jacob Appelbaum: Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like this in Tor Browser to avoid search filtering. It would be great if this was the default home page. I'd certainly be happier with that as the default search engine. I don't have anything against porn, and do I strongly believe we should make it easy for people to search for whatever they want (hence right now, I like the idea of adding a Startpage (unfiltered) omnibox item rather than changing the default), but I am not sure that I like the idea of exposing people to porn who are not looking for it. I worry that changing the default *might* do this. In fact it does do this. Queries for female condom help, female condom use, female condom pictures, female condom videos return increasing numbers of porn results with the query without filters. With the filters in place, they return no porn, only instructional material, diagrams, and pictures. I think it is reasonable to expect that a number of sexual education and potentially even sexual abuse topics will have similar results. Two things could tip the scales in my mind either way about the default: 1. Can anyone provide concrete examples where the image and/or video filters of Startpage/Google (I think Startpage just uses Google's filters) have inadvertently censored material that is not porn, and this error has persisted uncorrected for a significant period of time? I think it is important to weigh this against people being provided with porn results if they are not actually looking for porn -- which is an important issue of consent, IMO. I am sure there are many Muslim users of TBB who do not want to see porn at all, and merely want free access to information. The possibility of subjecting those people to porn potentially against their will weighs on me a bit.. 2. The converse is that making people in the Islamic world who *are* looking for porn potentially signal this via their omnibox choice isn't a great option either, since that choice can leak to disk. I don't think it is fair to allow these people to potentially subject themselves to government persecution via this choice. :/ I am open to suggestions on how to balance these concerns. Still am, but I also want to point out that there is also the Do Nothing option: DuckDuckGo is our second omnibox choice, and it is not hard to switch to it to get unfiltered porn results without signaling that you are looking for such material... -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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This is a really awesome improvement. I tried the new Tor Browser yesterday (OS X) and loved it. Did not encounter any problems. Really glad to see such drastic usability improvements for Tor. NK On 2013-06-17, at 9:45 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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I have the same results: I do not have a Nvidia card. sfc /verifyonly did not resolve the issue Setting gfx.direct2d.disabled to true lets it run without setting the compatibility to Windows XP Once it is going it looks really great! Excited to try it out. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: This is a really awesome improvement. I tried the new Tor Browser yesterday (OS X) and loved it. Did not encounter any problems. Really glad to see such drastic usability improvements for Tor. NK On 2013-06-17, at 9:45 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Hi, Now the new TBB works nicely for me, and I love it. One regret is UI messages are not translated into Japanese...actually, the messages seems to be already translated( https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/language/ja/), but somehow it doesn't show up (messages in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations Tor devs! Serious kudos -- this is exactly the direction TBB needs to go. A couple minor things: the order of the addons in the toolbar seems arbitrary (particularly the location of the Tor button, NoScript, and HTTPS Everywhere). I'm sure it's not, but at minimum it might be good in the about:tor splash page to have an arrow pointing to the location of the TorButton in the toolbar if folks need to change settings. Also, the search button image in about:tor is pixelated. This is a huge step forward in UX, very exciting! Michael On 06/17/2013 09:45 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Michael Carbone Manager of Tech Policy Programs Access | https://www.accessnow.org mich...@accessnow.org | PGP: 0x81B7A13E PGP Fingerprint: 25EC 1D0F 2D44 C4F4 5BEF EF83 C471 AD94 81B7 A13E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRvzMcAAoJEDH9usG3Jz33QYEP/1JJ5HMjR6MGAXr/b28Sk528 XizD2kR9FTQWD3OK2V6MfBl4QgSjAZ9vQpwWfbiH/EN4tlASmgscU7b0ZniWliZq csbTvHX/KVGjvaNQNeKZv62VL7+pz7tct+xpo89A0mwuqvs13NC4oO43lCnGlIyQ i0mgrjzPbNBkrHnlYlXvYW+q7d5pDylzsY+ecB4cKGseKDRcrQAfmOOwL3xs9FTf lQr7rQlcAveK811yiwzjbaIAKk40KAl/5+2ON7RODxeY5UsLpyql8EZX3KZ3+DWq BOedogUzxDzTmoBCvw9RoUU8g2uEJnyZ6+m0eKI6YuiNHRbiiUdPKnrfAcda10B6 4NBEVzz0RaCrkVP2C31grju1fBEGQPvwJLkBItfZlcfk/mFWiKETc52T2aW8qiOB rDblxhqJr0L1TecM8q/7yxXOKUrpkMZcGdIbKcYeP4iPzpnf6W9FOeJ0Q6ZHpR7u /6p0pK9A01IXUH+wqYJYzl2iUZn0Q4N0KW2NM38GAi1xFT7yd+XeqwyuwZSCTptK SeqxLzPUnIiCyFU7v4S3ol5ARj7/lkLPmwNIuLSafQ1GFEKokRnXsQUZsuZ9Qvma 1lMXAz3PJum4konpmdfWWAneHwhOAQAmJ6r1Z2VmWGTQ0/x0GWvPtxUWhrq2vCx/ k/M+Kqc0Ba1kV6bvTw/N =MkhE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Hi, I tried torbrowser-install-3.0-alpha-1_en-US.exe on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit (Japan edition), but it doesn't run at all. Installation went well, but double-clicking on Start Tor Browser icon doesn't start things off, nothing happens (seems trying something for a while, but crashes silently). Is this known problem or am I the only one? I have two 64bit Win7 machines, and suffer from the same problem. Things from the current tor-browser-2.3.25-8_en-US.exe is working nicely for a long time, so I guess something wrong in the new Tor Browser Launcher... Please let me know if there's something I can try. Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Kody On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I tried torbrowser-install-3.0-alpha-1_en-US.exe on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit (Japan edition), but it doesn't run at all. Installation went well, but double-clicking on Start Tor Browser icon doesn't start things off, nothing happens (seems trying something for a while, but crashes silently). Is this known problem or am I the only one? I have two 64bit Win7 machines, and suffer from the same problem. Things from the current tor-browser-2.3.25-8_en-US.exe is working nicely for a long time, so I guess something wrong in the new Tor Browser Launcher... Please let me know if there's something I can try. Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Looks great! Congratulations! Minor things on OSX 10.7.5: * Took considerably longer to connect to the Tor network using this browser bundle than my previously-installed TorBrowser-2.3.25-5-osx-x86_64-en-US. I'm on a slow network but 2.3.25 typically takes ~1 minute or less to establish a connection here, while the new build took 5+ minutes on first launch. (Much faster on 2nd launch, I guess the previously-collected directory information had been cached?) * Small inconveniences: * when connecting, splash screen is set to always-on-top, which was a bit annoying when it was connecting for those 5+ minutes. * when using Mission Control feature on Mac, screen disappears and isn't collected with other app windows. Collin On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:45 PM, Kody Leonard wrote: I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Kody On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I tried torbrowser-install-3.0-alpha-1_en-US.exe on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit (Japan edition), but it doesn't run at all. Installation went well, but double-clicking on Start Tor Browser icon doesn't start things off, nothing happens (seems trying something for a while, but crashes silently). Is this known problem or am I the only one? I have two 64bit Win7 machines, and suffer from the same problem. Things from the current tor-browser-2.3.25-8_en-US.exe is working nicely for a long time, so I guess something wrong in the new Tor Browser Launcher... Please let me know if there's something I can try. Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Collin Sullivan wrote: * when using Mission Control feature on Mac, screen disappears and isn't collected with other app windows. Sorry, to clarify: this is the splash screen while connecting, not the browser screen. Browser works fine in Mission Control. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations Tor Project. Well done to Mike Perry and all the contributors. I've tested it on Mac OS X 10.6.8 and Debian 6.0 Squeeze and I had no technical issues on either. First launch (using clear Internet connection) took approx 40-50 seconds on each. (Debian was running as a VM on a Macbook Pro) The biggest usability hurdle for Tor (IMO) was having the browser launching separately to the Tor application. I've tested with users and this was a huge confusion for them. It wasn't a browser as *they* understand one. Now it is. First prong of the attack: this is how privacy enhancing software should behave - the exact same as all other software. Now Tor is even better. Second prong of the attack. Run more exit nodes. - From the quick run through I did, here are some(possibly minor) suggestions: 1. The installed application icon is as follows http://diymobileusabilitytesting.net/bernard/skitches/tbb-3.0alpha1-icon1-20130617-221217.jpg However when the application is opened, the application icon is this http://diymobileusabilitytesting.net/bernard/skitches/tbb-3.0alpha1-icon2-20130617-221432.jpg It may be confusing for someone who was not familiar with the different icons used by the TP. 2. The copy displayed during the initial install (Before the Tor Browser Bundle tries to connect to the Tor network, you need to provide information about this computer's Internet connection) could possibly be reworded to give some context as to *why* it is being asked for. (Possibly reposition the copy to above the connection steps) Alternatively, is it possible for the install to run these two tests and determine to correct outcome? Ie. 1. Run some tests to determine if the Internet connection is clear of obstacles, then 2. Run some tests to check if the Internet connection is censored/filtered. Based on the outcome of these tests, Tor could then configure the connection as necessary. I could see this step being confusing for users not familiar with their Internet connection. 3. It would be interesting to see the numbers of users who actually follow the Test Tor Network Settings link. Once the TBB has installed and displays the Congratulations! This browser is configured to use Tor. page, are users guaranteed to be connected to the Tor network? If so is there any need for the Test Tor Network... link? Is it possible to display that information on the startpage? It is also very nice that the user preferences have been altered to be more privacy enhancing (History, etc). Congratulations to all involved. It is great work. Bernard On 17 Jun 2013, at 17:02, Michael Carbone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations Tor devs! Serious kudos -- this is exactly the direction TBB needs to go. A couple minor things: the order of the addons in the toolbar seems arbitrary (particularly the location of the Tor button, NoScript, and HTTPS Everywhere). I'm sure it's not, but at minimum it might be good in the about:tor splash page to have an arrow pointing to the location of the TorButton in the toolbar if folks need to change settings. Also, the search button image in about:tor is pixelated. This is a huge step forward in UX, very exciting! Michael On 06/17/2013 09:45 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRv4OOAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrCcQH/iic0Jy+xpAfFTXs29cxuQV2 Lcw/Im2uxxxwapQGK3+7hGWkfynwG+O/CvyN/RaFbCx6a2GywS8D++SAhSEpCVyL GMA6Vx8ZqiJ5KoqQkQ2Y2ENCMLkGIxgD374+bfSkHS5wkSmBesV2/DMva96PxO9e KZT9qZve/OwlXgsCKA0Z1CuHxPpxrbC9htNpRSJ31GUjNv+jZc6OIhDdAEbayx2W IBlgtsrb+glRe5gl1cRaBej3fnn6/zFoVoOMTQhwQEQr6xo8bvQUEcyNsHjMS6gW J6c3hSGcMmUnesvYCOv/x5BXGvC0FQBHHpk4+jh3zNeU3VAik59BLiVQ7e1PCL0= =ad2Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Kody Leonard: I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Do you happen to have an Nvidia video card by any chance? This crash seems to be happening on only a select number of x64 Win7 installs (and none of them are developer machines -- which are also x64 Win7), and I am trying to figure out what the common denominator is. Kody On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Masayuki Hatta mha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I tried torbrowser-install-3.0-alpha-1_en-US.exe on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit (Japan edition), but it doesn't run at all. Installation went well, but double-clicking on Start Tor Browser icon doesn't start things off, nothing happens (seems trying something for a while, but crashes silently). Is this known problem or am I the only one? I have two 64bit Win7 machines, and suffer from the same problem. Things from the current tor-browser-2.3.25-8_en-US.exe is working nicely for a long time, so I guess something wrong in the new Tor Browser Launcher... Please let me know if there's something I can try. Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Mike Perry: Kody Leonard: I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Do you happen to have an Nvidia video card by any chance? This crash seems to be happening on only a select number of x64 Win7 installs (and none of them are developer machines -- which are also x64 Win7), and I am trying to figure out what the common denominator is. Another option is to run cmd.exe as Administrator (right click) and run 'sfc /verifyonly' to check if any of your dlls (including d2d1.dll) are out of date/damaged/replaced by alternate vendor versions. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Tested tor-browser-linux32-3.0-alpha-1_en-US from China. UI-wise I agree with everybody that running just one program is much more intuitive. I can't connect though. Here's what happens: 1. Try connecting directly. This times out after a long time. 2. Add bridge relays from https://bridges.torproject.org. 3. This also attempts to connect for a long time and then gives up. Obviously, Tor is targeted by the authorities here and making it work and easy-to-use is a major challenge. If you pull it off, though, it could make a big difference. Would love to see it happen. Thanks for your hard work. Martin Johnson Founder of GreatFire.org and FreeWeibo.com | PGP keyhttps://en.greatfire.org/contact On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.orgwrote: Mike Perry: Kody Leonard: I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Do you happen to have an Nvidia video card by any chance? This crash seems to be happening on only a select number of x64 Win7 installs (and none of them are developer machines -- which are also x64 Win7), and I am trying to figure out what the common denominator is. Another option is to run cmd.exe as Administrator (right click) and run 'sfc /verifyonly' to check if any of your dlls (including d2d1.dll) are out of date/damaged/replaced by alternate vendor versions. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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Hi, Some findings on this issue. 0) Setting compatibility mode to Windows XP (Service Pack 3) makes it work! 1) I tried it on two machines, both don't have NVidia.(both have Intel HD Graphics 4000) 2) sfc /verifyonly couldn't find any discrepancy. Hope it helps. Best regards, MH 2013/6/18 Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org Mike Perry: Kody Leonard: I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Do you happen to have an Nvidia video card by any chance? This crash seems to be happening on only a select number of x64 Win7 installs (and none of them are developer machines -- which are also x64 Win7), and I am trying to figure out what the common denominator is. Another option is to run cmd.exe as Administrator (right click) and run 'sfc /verifyonly' to check if any of your dlls (including d2d1.dll) are out of date/damaged/replaced by alternate vendor versions. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
Great stuff Jacob! Will report any bugs I encounter. Ian. On Jun 17, 2013 8:47 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome. It is blazing fast, it no longer has the sometimes confusing Vidalia UI, it is now fast to start, it now has a really nice splash screen, it has a setup wizard - you name it - nearly everything that people found difficult has been removed, replaced or improved. Hooray for Mike Perry and all that helped him! Here is Mike's email: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-June/028440.html Here is the place to download it: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ Please test it and please please tell us how we might improve it! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!
It looks like Mozilla hit a similar bug some years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595364 While in compatibility mode, can you try setting one or both of these to 'true' in about:config: gfx.direct2d.disabled layers.acceleration.disabled Then try without XP compatibility mode, and see if one or both allow you to run without crashes? Masayuki Hatta: Hi, Some findings on this issue. 0) Setting compatibility mode to Windows XP (Service Pack 3) makes it work! 1) I tried it on two machines, both don't have NVidia.(both have Intel HD Graphics 4000) 2) sfc /verifyonly couldn't find any discrepancy. Hope it helps. Best regards, MH 2013/6/18 Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org Mike Perry: Kody Leonard: I get the same error on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. It will run when Windows XP is selected under Compatibility mode. I had the same issue with other languages. This is logged in the event viewer when it doesn't run as-is: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 17.0.6.0 Faulting module name: d2d1.dll, version: 6.2.9200.16492 Exception code: 0xc005 Faulting application path: C:\XX\Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\d2d1.dll Do you happen to have an Nvidia video card by any chance? This crash seems to be happening on only a select number of x64 Win7 installs (and none of them are developer machines -- which are also x64 Win7), and I am trying to figure out what the common denominator is. Another option is to run cmd.exe as Administrator (right click) and run 'sfc /verifyonly' to check if any of your dlls (including d2d1.dll) are out of date/damaged/replaced by alternate vendor versions. -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Masayuki Hatta Assistant Professor, Faculty of Economics and Management, Surugadai University, Japan http://about.me/mhatta mha...@gnu.org / mha...@debian.org / mha...@opensource.jp / hatta.masay...@surugadai.ac.jp -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Mike Perry -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
