Re: [liberationtech] Viber Security and Privacy

2012-09-21 Thread Katrin Verclas
Thanks, Talmon, for replying.  

This leaves a lot of questions open, unfortunately. There is a lengthy thread 
on Viber security on the Stanford University Liberation Technology list with a 
number of security experts, so copying your response to the list.

Regards,

Katrin 

On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Talmon Marco wrote:

 Dear Katrin,
 
 My name is Talmon Marco and I am Viber's CEO. The question you sent to
 our Privacy/Support team was brought to my attention.
 
 Generally speaking, absent physical or software access to the device
 message sent via Viber should be considered secured and fully
 encrypted between the user and the server. That means that Viber has
 the technical capability to access messages. To date, we have never
 done this, but this is something that could be developed.
 
 Voice may or may not pass through our servers (depending on network
 conditions). Voice is scrambled, but not encrypted. So someone who
 manages to capture the voice packets going between users may, in
 theory be able to access the audio. They will need a good
 understanding of what we do, but theoretically, it's possible.
 
 Identity, login, etc. are fully encrypted, protected by secret keys
 and all the other right things. However, if you are using an Irani
 phone number as your ID, it stands to reason that Irani government
 could register the same number and access the activation SMS. You may
 want to register using a non Irani number - pinger, for example, gives
 away free US numbers.
 
 As for warrants, we generally accept warrants but only from countries
 where we believe due process exists. Iran does not fall under this
 category and as such we will not be accepting warrants issued by Iran.
 
 I hope this addresses your question.
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 Talmon
 
 ---
 Talmon Marco, CEO
 Viber Media, Inc.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Phone


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Re: [liberationtech] Viber Security and Privacy

2012-09-21 Thread Collin Anderson
Thanks Katrin and Talmon,

 Voice may or may not pass through our servers (depending on network
 conditions). Voice is scrambled, but not encrypted. So someone who
 manages to capture the voice packets going between users may, in
 theory be able to access the audio. They will need a good
 understanding of what we do, but theoretically, it's possible.

Unfortunately then, Amin's question is answered -- as long as Viber relies
on the obscurity of their transport encoding, rather than real encryption,
the application is unsafe for places where communications are surveilled.
Certainly it may be difficult at first, however, Amin, Eric and others have
proven that there is a market flush with cash for a
sufficiently motivated actor to reverse engineer the application.

Cordially,

Collin


On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Katrin Verclas kat...@mobileactive.orgwrote:

 Thanks, Talmon, for replying.

 This leaves a lot of questions open, unfortunately. There is a lengthy
 thread on Viber security on the Stanford University Liberation Technology
 list with a number of security experts, so copying your response to the
 list.

 Regards,

 Katrin

 On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Talmon Marco wrote:

  Dear Katrin,
 
  My name is Talmon Marco and I am Viber's CEO. The question you sent to
  our Privacy/Support team was brought to my attention.
 
  Generally speaking, absent physical or software access to the device
  message sent via Viber should be considered secured and fully
  encrypted between the user and the server. That means that Viber has
  the technical capability to access messages. To date, we have never
  done this, but this is something that could be developed.
 
  Voice may or may not pass through our servers (depending on network
  conditions). Voice is scrambled, but not encrypted. So someone who
  manages to capture the voice packets going between users may, in
  theory be able to access the audio. They will need a good
  understanding of what we do, but theoretically, it's possible.
 
  Identity, login, etc. are fully encrypted, protected by secret keys
  and all the other right things. However, if you are using an Irani
  phone number as your ID, it stands to reason that Irani government
  could register the same number and access the activation SMS. You may
  want to register using a non Irani number - pinger, for example, gives
  away free US numbers.
 
  As for warrants, we generally accept warrants but only from countries
  where we believe due process exists. Iran does not fall under this
  category and as such we will not be accepting warrants issued by Iran.
 
  I hope this addresses your question.
 
  Kind Regards,
 
  Talmon
 
  ---
  Talmon Marco, CEO
  Viber Media, Inc.
 
 
 
  Sent from my Phone


 Katrin Verclas
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