Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:55:39 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: The question was more targeted with regard to (automatically) creating a download page - first iteration http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/home/download-and-sub/ - modeled after the initial one from Stefan http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:StefanW/Download_Selection Very cool! Can it be taught that my Ubuntu system prefers .deb rather than the .rpm? This is my user agent string in case it helps: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13pre) Gecko/20101117 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Namoroka/3.6.13pre Sebastian pgpMtvJbSnik9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Hi Sebastian, *; On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:21:50 +0100, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: It is easy to differentiate between Linux, windows and Mac, but it's not that easy to distinguish between linux deb and linux rpm (any suggestions on that one?) Taking the user agent string to search for major distributions? Now the page tries to match for buntu and debian in the lowercases userAgent string.. Thanks for the suggestion ciao Christian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Christian Lohmaier wrote: * What languages does the windows installer contain? * Which ones are included in multi and which ones in all_lang? Hi Christian, all_lang is built --with-lang=ALL, multi includes the same set as you see for Mac. * Is it correct that help in both packages is only available in English? No help currently, we're still busy getting online help setup. There'll also be optional offline help packages. * Version of the SDK: Why is the version 3.3.0 for Windows, but 315 for all others? Gah. My bad. Last minute renaming script gone wrong. Why does the set of available language packs differ on Mac Intel compared to the others? For example there is no one for as, bn, bo, brx, bs, … Packages built by different people, and the minimal requirement to have those 50-something languages prepared (see also the windows multi-installer above). Also, we're still a bit tight with mirror space - but if any l10n team needs additional langpacks, give me a shout. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgplUruoCoiV3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Hi Christian, On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 14:29 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: I ask here: * What languages does the windows installer contain? * Which ones are included in multi and which ones in all_lang? Fridrich ? * Is it correct that help in both packages is only available in English? I -hope- that we do not ship the English help either; we should be pointing at the on-line help instead. I -believe- the beta release notes are out of date, and need updating on the web page. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Hi Thorsten, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote: * What languages does the windows installer contain? * Which ones are included in multi and which ones in all_lang? all_lang is built --with-lang=ALL, multi includes the same set as you see for Mac. Referring to Mac is a bad choice, as Mac/PPC and Mac/Intel have different sets available :-) * Is it correct that help in both packages is only available in English? No help currently, we're still busy getting online help setup. There'll also be optional offline help packages. Ah, OK. * Version of the SDK: Why is the version 3.3.0 for Windows, but 315 for all others? Gah. My bad. Last minute renaming script gone wrong. So 315 is correct or 3.3.0? Why does the set of available language packs differ on Mac Intel compared to the others? For example there is no one for as, bn, bo, brx, bs, … Packages built by different people, and the minimal requirement to have those 50-something languages prepared (see also the windows multi-installer above). Ah, So I can take (for beta3 at least) the difference between Mac Intel as reference to multi (or the difference between Mac intel and the others as languages that are only in all_lang) Also, we're still a bit tight with mirror space - but if any l10n team needs additional langpacks, give me a shout. The question was more targeted with regard to (automatically) creating a download page - first iteration http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/home/download-and-sub/ - modeled after the initial one from Stefan http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:StefanW/Download_Selection While implementing that (by parsing the rsync filelisting instead of crawling the download site), I noticed the above differences. ciao Christian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Hi Michael, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi Christian, On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 14:29 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: I ask here: * What languages does the windows installer contain? * Which ones are included in multi and which ones in all_lang? Fridrich ? It would be nice to have some point of documentation that lists the included languages, otherwise people have no chance to tell whether multi (that already is huuuge) is enough, or whether they need the all varian (which is even larger). I'm sure there are requests already for a basic installer that would fetch the optional parts from the web during installation. (languagepacks (including help) for Linux/Mac are about 12 to 20MB. That would give me a better feeling than downloading 300MB and not having help... (140 (english with help) +20 - just half the size) * Is it correct that help in both packages is only available in English? I -hope- that we do not ship the English help either; we should be pointing at the on-line help instead. Thanks for clarifying. I -believe- the beta release notes are out of date, and need updating on the web page. To be honest, I didn't look at the current beta notes before asking - my bad. It currently reads The help content is not included. so that one could have been answered by looking at the current notes.. ciao Christian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Hi Christian, On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 16:07 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: It would be nice to have some point of documentation that lists the included languages, otherwise people have no chance to tell whether multi (that already is huuuge) is enough, or whether they need the all varian (which is even larger). Right - it would suck to have to download two of these :-) I'm sure there are requests already for a basic installer that would fetch the optional parts from the web during installation. (languagepacks (including help) for Linux/Mac are about 12 to 20MB. That would give me a better feeling than downloading 300MB and not having help... (140 (english with help) +20 - just half the size) Sure - I appreciate it is big; on the other hand - it is all inclusive, and we have a -lot- of low hanging fruit to shrink that size - in the last days alone we've shrunk many megabytes from that in master (at least); and I think we're on track for reducing the size of the installer to the point that no-one really cares anymore. Perhaps we can back-push some of that to libreoffice-3-3 HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 17:37 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote: The question was more targeted with regard to (automatically) creating a download page - first iteration http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/home/download-and-sub/ - modeled after Oh - cool :-) Which reminds me - it should be (fairly) easy to detect the client's platform - on the client in javascript: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html The latter part of that - the 'dataOS' piece - should provide some good inspiration to at least auto-select the right value for the combo-box (?). We can presumably do the same for the language combo with something like: var userLang = (navigator.language) ? navigator.language : navigator.userLanguage; So - hopefully the user doesn't have to do any thinking :-) Personally, I'd love to see a big / bold download button somewhere: that takes advantage of that auto-detection, Anyhow - it's great to see people looking at improving this: nice work :-) Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Windows installer: what languages in multi/all_lang? - SDK: Why different version number?
Hi Michael, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 17:37 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote: The question was more targeted with regard to (automatically) creating a download page - first iteration http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/home/download-and-sub/ - modeled after Oh - cool :-) Which reminds me - it should be (fairly) easy to detect the client's platform - on the client in javascript: It is easy to differentiate between Linux, windows and Mac, but it's not that easy to distinguish between linux deb and linux rpm (any suggestions on that one?) So using that kind of detection would mean to split linux in two controls - one for the OS itself, and another one for the package format. Not sure whether that is a win or not. I added detection for OS and default to rpm for linux for now... We can presumably do the same for the language combo with something like: Added as well. (not sure whether there needs to be a mapping of browser-reported locale to locale identifiers used by LO) So - hopefully the user doesn't have to do any thinking :-) :-) Personally, I'd love to see a big / bold download button somewhere: that takes advantage of that auto-detection, A single, big fat download button is hard to do, when you need to download multiple files in the usual case... But if you got a suggestion... (one can always style the result as big button using css) Anyhow - it's great to see people looking at improving this: nice work :-) Thanks a lot for the feedback ciao Christian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
