Re: [Libreoffice] The future of help [was: Re: Deleting Java from Base]
Hi Cor, On 2010-12-03 at 17:51 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: That one might be actually easy - when the wikihelp is online, I'd default to not building the internal help at all, and instead focus on converting it from the wiki version to the platform-native (Windows / MacOSX / Gnome / KDE [but IIRC, KDE was able to read the Gnome's help natively too]) for the releases. And cut all the help-related code ;-) Objections / support / thoughts? One of the good things of current Help is: when a control in a certain window is selected, and one hits Help/F1, the appropriate help text is displayed. I hope that can be conserved, while cutting help-related code. Yes, sure, this is of course a hard requirement for any help system we might potentially switch to. Please try the wikihelp I made live just yesterday, you can see that this is there - in the Windows version, navigate with your keyboard in the menu to something you'd need a help with, hit F1, and you'll get the appropriate page. If not, it is a bug, and please report such cases :-) Thank you, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] The future of help [was: Re: Deleting Java from Base]
Hi *, On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz wrote: Hi Christian, On 2010-12-03 at 14:40 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Start with stuff that /any/ user would see. My list would start with: Fulltext search in Help (i.e. F1) - that uses lucene and requires java That one might be actually easy - when the wikihelp is online, I'd default to not building the internal help at all, and instead focus on converting it from the wiki version to the platform-native (Windows / MacOSX / Gnome / KDE [but IIRC, KDE was able to read the Gnome's help natively too]) for the releases. And cut all the help-related code ;-) Well I just wanted to write bit VETO! as at first it sounded like not shipping help with LO at all, but instead pointing to the online version.. But well - the problem is that there is not native version really. And I doubt all would have the same capabilities, etc. Objections / support / thoughts? Problem I see with e.g. Gnome native help is that you (apparently) can't restrict search to the given application. Also dealing with the Help button in dialogs surely would be a nightmare, as you have to somehow keep track of where the help for that dialog actually is stored. If help is completely decoupled from the application code, then you need to maintain (some sort of) IDs, and the way to launch the native help system would differ on different OS, even on one single OS: And: What do do with users that don't use GNOME nor KDE? Don't grant them offline-help at all? So I'm not all for it. Fine if the own or native help would both be available, and the user could choose which one to install. You need to duplicate the help content in the various native formats anyway, so you could just keep LO's own format. But then again it still would be nice to search its contents, and then you need lucene and thus java again :-)) ciao Christian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] The future of help [was: Re: Deleting Java from Base]
Hi kendy, Jan Holesovsky wrote (03-12-10 14:52) That one might be actually easy - when the wikihelp is online, I'd default to not building the internal help at all, and instead focus on converting it from the wiki version to the platform-native (Windows / MacOSX / Gnome / KDE [but IIRC, KDE was able to read the Gnome's help natively too]) for the releases. And cut all the help-related code ;-) Objections / support / thoughts? One of the good things of current Help is: when a control in a certain window is selected, and one hits Help/F1, the appropriate help text is displayed. I hope that can be conserved, while cutting help-related code. Regards, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] The future of help [was: Re: Deleting Java from Base]
Are those tags XML tags? Was just thinking what about an XML based help system. I have seen programs that have the web based files but they are stored on the local machine. On 12/4/10 6:51 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: On 03/12/2010 19:51, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi kendy, Jan Holesovsky wrote (03-12-10 14:52) That one might be actually easy - when the wikihelp is online, I'd default to not building the internal help at all, and instead focus on converting it from the wiki version to the platform-native (Windows / MacOSX / Gnome / KDE [but IIRC, KDE was able to read the Gnome's help natively too]) for the releases. And cut all the help-related code ;-) Objections / support / thoughts? One of the good things of current Help is: when a control in a certain window is selected, and one hits Help/F1, the appropriate help text is displayed. I hope that can be conserved, while cutting help-related code. Also Maj+F1 when the pointer is over an icon, displays extended tips which are part of the help files, these are the strings between ahelpxxx/ahelp Kind regards Sophie ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
