[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2019-07-25

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
 + Heiko, Stephan, Caolán, Michael S., Cloph, Gabriel, Miklos, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ welcome Andrea as committer with scope of comments for now (Kendy)
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ discussed on the IRC and abandoned for 6.3 (Caolán) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1
+ to be tagged later today
+ translations...
+ 6.3.0 rc3
+ UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ final RC – if it passes QA, it’ll be the final
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
239(239) (topicUI) bugs open, 218(218) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 17(0)  38(2)   81(1)  
 commented 58(16)   159(-15)   431(15)1439(13) 
   removed  1(-1) 2(0)   2(0)   20(0)  
  resolved  7(6) 10(3)  28(3)  134(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 75 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 31 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 213 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 28 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jul/18-25 

   * Redesign MIME type icons 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126518 
   => in discussion

   * Delete path to Gallery image from image name in list Select 
 image->Gallery in new Impress B dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126511 
   * Delete drop down sections Separator, Position, Alignment, Scope 
 in new Impress B dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126510 
   => NEW 

   * UI: 'autocorrect replacement table' bottom buttons positions 
 have been changed 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126462 
   => NAB

  -> + needsDevAdvice: Select shapes with same properties
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   + via Find & Replace as done in Writer or 
 via Navigator (enhancement) or 
 as true highlighting (see also tdf#106556)

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 3(-3) import failure, 5(-6) export failures
+ maybe the new msfonts support?
+ 136 (+1, -187) coverity issues
+ another run later today / early tomorrow
+ Google / ossfuzz
+ ?? ran over the last week, found only 2 minor issues
+ There will be no 6.1.7, 6.1.6 is advertised as the stable download.
+ 6.1 EOL, to be removed earlier than the 6.3 release
+ AI: Remove 6.1 from the download pages (Cloph)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 1034 1236 1113 1274 1460 1705 1558
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ (-3) 700 703 776 760 571 424 293 277 215 68

  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ (-85) 1002 1087 1234 1600 1645 2183 2428 2872 2401
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ (-489) 2333 2822 2733 2615 2039 1586 929 119 0
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.5.2
+ (+748) 748 0

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
  + Dresden Hackfest (Thorsten)
+ not heard anything from EU hackfest bits
+ tentatively end of October, talking to FSFE people there
   + not confirmed, working on that
+ Google Mentor summit happening in Europe end of October
   + could be a fall-back for European meetup
   + Cafe Netzwerk / CIB office or something.
  + hope to have one each quarter.

* Conference (Sophie)
   + around 85 papers submitted, CfP closed.

* GSOC 2019 (Thorsten/Xisco/Moggi/Heiko)
   + Project page:
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5557591040589824/ 
   + Mentors, please make sure students are active & communicating!
  + weekly reports are not optional, number decreasing!
   + next deadline:
 + Second Evaluations: July 22 - 26, 2019 !!!
 + Shubham/Gagandeep/Sumit please send missing reports
 + AI: Chase the last missing eval (Heiko) /done
   + increasingly missing weekly reports 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Caolan, Michael W, Michael M, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Eike, Heiko,
   Thorsten, Christian, Kaishu, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out list of papers to conference committee (Sophie)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
   [ wiki page now has some content – thanks to all involved ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ another patch depends on this one, needs tweaking (Michael W)]
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, next week
+ 6.3.0 rc2
  + branching-off for libreoffice-6-3-0 – due this week
  + planning to tag later today.
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
  + can I push some UI patches
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75637/
  + link is highlighted in error (Heiko)
 + focusing something different no issue (Christian)
  + string change / polish (Heiko)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75632/
 + abandoned it, not too important.
 + good to talk to /ask the translations/l10n (Michael)
   + if they’re happy, push it (Christian)
  + would like in today for rc2
  + there will be a 3rd rc3 as planned.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
241(241) (topicUI) bugs open, 219(219) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3)19(-10)38(-4)  82(-4) 
 commented 52(1)180(-25)   427(6) 1439(-2) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)   2(0)   20(2)  
  resolved  0(-2) 5(-3) 24(-3) 130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 64 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 49 changes in 1 month, and 243 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 30 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 25 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Jul/11-18

-> * Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus 
WordPro) 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173  
 + MUFFINi-ze 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-July/083144.html 
   * Context menu "open file location" from StartCenter thumbnail views 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126404  
   * Writer styles: Addressee and Sender group in subgroup Envelope 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126258  
   * Move Add/Edit/Delete buttons to right side in AutoRedact dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126431  
   * Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432  
   * Add a confirmation for deleting of target in AutoRedaction dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126433  
   * select shapes with the same style 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   => in discussion  
   
   * Sidebar Styles get style Icon support 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126450  
   * Ctrl-clicking hyperlink does not work in cell/text edit modes 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121039  
   => new 
   
   * Add opportunity for deleting of not existing file to "file does not
 exist" dialog in the Start Center 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126423  
   * Revise layout of HTML color palette swatches 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 
   => dup, wfm 
   
-> * LibreOffice components should be single apps on macOS 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97946  
 + only a single icon, you don’t get single module icons
 + request to split the install into single modules.
 + only a matter of adding launchers (Christian)
 + provide a template and pull it into your dock easily
 + D installer gets you 1 application
 + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Christian, Michael W,
  Michael M, Michael S, Sophie, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 2 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc2 – due soon ...
  + and branching-off there for libreoffice-6-3-0
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page for REDACTION (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + 27 proposals submitted
   + Triaging them with Sophie
   + deadline is July 23rd
+ Calc Guides
   + Working

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ just back from vacation, lots of work to catch up with.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
237(237) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(5) 29(7) 42(10)  86(11) 
 commented 51(17)   205(45)   421(40)1441(47) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  2(1)  8(0) 27(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 55 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 37 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 37 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 15 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Jun/27-Jul/11








  Tooltip for new drop-down widget in Formula bar in Calc should be another

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126315
 
  Exhibition of Headings sub levels are allowed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126325
 
  Tab colors in Calc should show the line version when inactive and full
  version when active to be more intuitive

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125729
 
  PDF shows only two pages of a document with three pages (one page is
  hidden in the odf document)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126284
 
  Writer styles: Heading subgroup for TOC related stuff

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126257
 
  Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277
 
  Double-clicking fill handle should also overwrite down the entire range
  (until empty cells)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66890
 
  Enhance autofill to better sense data blocks with empty cells or columns

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126189
 
  Show in Styles sidebar only use specific styles

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126278
 
  In "Tools - Address Book Source" the Button "Address Data Source…"
  should be renamed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126232
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in Toolbar Paragraph 
  styles combobox droplist

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126196
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in the Sidebar 'Styles' deck

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126204
 
  Copy plus paste special with shift cells updates formulas after cells 
  are shifted

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44383
 
  Handling protected space (U+00a0) at word bounds

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125887
 
  Command and labels for Select to Start of Word, select to End of Word
  need correction

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126166
 
  Maximum header height and maximum footnote height conflict

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126011
 
  => unconfirmed/new








  Writer Character Styles: remove Rubies character style

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126276
 
  => invalid




* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ missing Caolan.
+ 6(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Christian, Michael S, Thorsten, Sophie, Kaishu, 
Xisco, Miklos, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ None

* Pending Action Items:
+ None

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 final out today
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 3 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc1, later today
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping (G. Kelemen, A. Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New page for FOURIER (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + Application deadline closed, awaiting Google triage
+ Calc Guides
   + Under work

* UX Update (Heiko) – On Vacation
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
238(238) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months
 added  6(0)  22(-5) 32(-6)  75(-6)
 commented 34(-20)   160(-40)   381(-60)   1394(-16)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(-1)  18(0)
  resolved  1(0)   8(-1) 26(-5) 132(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 49 changes in 1 month, and 239 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 43 changes in 1 month, and 289 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 27 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 494 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 7 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
+ Google / ossfuzz:

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+66) 1100 1034 1236 1113 1274 1460 1705 1558
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ (+73) 703 776 760 571 424 293 277 215 68
`  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ (-81) 929 1010 1222 1213 1182 1295 1532 1835
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ (-147) 1087 1234 1600 1645 2183 2428 2872 2401
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ (+89) 2822 2733 2615 2039 1586 929 119 0
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.5.2
+ (+0) 0
  + found repro steps for 2 crashes, already fixed

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Paris in Summer (Sophie)
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 6th – tomorrow!
+ near Gare de Nord, La Mouette working on communication
  + designing a flier – avoids stomping on exams at end of June
  + mentors are needed … 2 weeks from now
  + volunteers to mentor using jitsi / IRC can help too (Christian)
  + in theory had hackfest-ng but short notice (Thorsten)
+ was too late :(
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019
  + hope to have a Hackfest NG setup again – mentees, please speak up!
  + people are adding themselves to the wiki already.
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
+ Dresden Hackfest (Thorsten)
  + tentatively end of October, talking to FSFE people there
+ not confirmed, working on that
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* Conference (Sophie)
   + CfP deadline is end of June, please send papers … ~10 so far
   + https://conference.libreoffice.org/2019/call-for-papers/
+ can C’brans delay a few days ? (Michael)
+ yes before mid-July (Sophie)

* GSOC 2019 (Thorsten/Xisco/Moggi/Heiko)
   + Project page:
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5557591040589824/
+ 1st evaluation was passed for everyone
   + Mentors, please make sure students are active & communicating!
  + weekly reports are not optional, number decreasing
   + next deadline:
 + Second Evaluations: July 22 - 26, 2019

* mentoring/easyhack update
 committer...   1 week   1 month 3 months  12 months
  open   54(-12) 145(-5)  149(-6)   157(-6)
   reviews 1336(-333)   5973(46)15083(-39)53630(-149)
merged  254(-127)   1385(6)  3748(-75)14937(-140)
 abandoned   22(-6)   76(8)   194(-17)  742(6)
   own commits  150(-84) 854(-75)2794(-101)   13771(-140)
review commits   89(-19) 415(-1) 1177(24)  4046(22)

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[David Tardon]

On Thu, 2019-06-27 at 15:22 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
>   + offering things to OSS projects – but looks like oss-fuzz
>   + seem to be pushing hard to encourage people to use it
>   + may look on return from vacation

For the record, there is also https://fuzzbuzz.io/ , which appears to
be another of the same. (Automatic fuzzing is becoming popular, eh?)
But I don't think there's much value in using another service that uses
the same fuzzing engine(s) internally...

D.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[M Henri Day]

Den tors 27 juni 2019 kl 16:23 skrev Michael Meeks <
michael.me...@collabora.com>:

> * Present:
> + Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
>   Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko
>
> * Completed Action Items:
> + send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)
>
> * Pending Action Items:
>
> * Release Engineering update (Christian)
> + 6.2.5 rc2
>   + tagged yesterday
>   + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
>   + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
> + 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
> + 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
>   + hard string & UI freeze.
>   + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
>   + for now no review, just fixes.
> + Remotes
> + Android viewer
> + Online
>
> * Documentation (Olivier)
> + New Help (no news)
>+ seems to work correctly.
> + Helpcontent2
>+ Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
>+ Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
> + Google Seasons of Doc
>+ Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
> + Guides
>+ Update Calc Guide
>   + more chapters updated
>   + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
>   + would love help from a calc developer.
>
> * UX Update (Heiko)
> + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
> 236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be
> evaluated by the UXteam
> + Updates:
> BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months
>  added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)
>  commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33)
>removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)
>   resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)
> + top 10 contributors:
>   Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1
> year
>   Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
>   Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1
> year
>   Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1
> year
>   Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1
> year
>   kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1
> year
>   Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
>   Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
>   Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in
> 1 year
>   Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
>  + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27
>
>* TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050
>* FORMATTING
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047
>=> WFM
>
>* CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different
> chapter
>  levels with a dash
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993
>* [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
>* Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for
> format
>  options and Greek and special symbols
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
>* Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
>=> UNCONFIRMED/in discussion
>
> -> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
>* Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
>  values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009
>=> NEW
>
> -> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
>  center (and other relevant places)
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074
>+ should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
>+ different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
>  + no technical basis here (Michael)
>=> interesting
>
> + blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
>+ examples on how to create a new dialog:
>+
> https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
>+ really useful – good work (Michael)
>
>
> * Crash Testing (Caolan)
> + Crash testing:
>   + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
>   + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
>   + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
>   + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
> + Google 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
  Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagged yesterday
  + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
  + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
+ 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
+ 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
  + hard string & UI freeze.
  + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
  + for now no review, just fixes.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
   + seems to work correctly.
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
   + Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
+ Guides 
   + Update Calc Guide
  + more chapters updated
  + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
  + would love help from a calc developer.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)  
 commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33) 
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27

   * TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050 
   * FORMATTING
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047 
   => WFM

   * CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different chapter
 levels with a dash
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993 
   * [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961 
   * Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931 
   * Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972 
   => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

-> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999 
   * Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
 values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009 
   => NEW

-> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
 center (and other relevant places)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074 
   + should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
   + different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
 + no technical basis here (Michael)
   => interesting

+ blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
   + examples on how to create a new dialog:
   + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
   + really useful – good work (Michael)


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
  + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
  + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
  + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 11 failures, 1 OOM, 10 TimeOut.
+ waiting for coverity
  + builds, but submission still not available.
+ 2x security reports
  + have pushed dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations
+ fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
  + offering 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Gabriel, Christian, Stephan, Miklos, Drew, Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko
  Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1
  + on the way to the mirrors
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagging next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2
  + tagging later this evening.
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
   + no negative feedback → can drop this item.
 + Zip parallelism (Miklos)
   + last complaints were resolved last week → can drop this.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + 6.3.0 beta2 up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing to report)
   + Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125956
  “LibreOffice-6.x Off-Line Help Should NOT Require XDG”
+ Helpcontent2 
+ page maintenance )
+ update in new features (ohallo)
+ GS of Doc
+ Candidates are filling their Tech Writer forms
+ Guides
  + Activities in Calc guides
  + Math Guide revision by Kompilainen

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(-2)24(7) 34(3)   78(0)  
 commented 85(35)   164(52)   421(-4)1377(4)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 3(-5)  18(-6) 
  resolved  4(2) 10(1) 35(1)  135(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 541 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 245 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 23 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval since Jun/13

   + Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
   + Correct/improve tooltips for tools on Drawing toolbar in Draw
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125939
   + Opening Quoted Quotes Not Properly Rendered
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125946
   + [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
   + Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
   + Add button name to extended tooltips
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
   => unconfirmed / in discussion 
  ->   + Enhancement request: Backport 6.3 FILESAVE dialog to 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125908
 + only available in expert config
 + not clear what we do, discussion is ~ongoing
   => not a bug (nab)
   + In Impress - Bullets and Numberings submenu not displayed when right
 clicking on a bullet
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125904
   => fixed
   + Print/Export should close cells first
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125932
   => new

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 7(-2) import failure, 5(-184) export failures
  + was a big export failure problem, now resolved, down to small numbers
  + an issue with threaded rendering from Armin
 + may need to re-disable it again.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 8 failures, none critical.
+ waiting for coverity
  + new version is now available
- c++2a not supported
- c++17 supported
  + builds under c++17, analysis site down, so builds, but not analyzed
  + can’t up-load the results to the site yet
  + looking forward to submitting the build, seems faster to build too
+ 2x security reports
  + minor one, Stephan looking at some extensions here
  + and a more serious one.
 + pushing dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+123) 1236 1113 

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[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Cloph, Sophie, Caolán, Michael W, Jan-Marek, Miklos, Xisco, Heiko, 
Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Roman Kuznetsov (aka Kompilainnen) welcome mail (Heiko)
  /done
+ send Patrick Jaap a welcome mail (Miklos)
+ add FireBird migration wiki link to the dialog (Caolan)
  [ not yet pushed ]
+ do gstreamer-0.10 removal (Michael W)
+ get details / access to 32bit Linux systems & docker-image bits
  to Luke (Michael S, Christian)
  [ has the Centos6 32bit system, mostly done ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16) – this week
  + planning to tag this evening
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 1 week out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042, fixed
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ Daily builds not updated since weeks (Heiko)
  + people should focus on the beta (Christian)
+ kicked the relevant box to produce builds again
+ affects both master and libreoffice-6-3
+ restarting today (Cloph)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help:
   + new master https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/index.html
+ Help Contents
 + Bookmark housekeeping (G. Kelemen)
 + Page housekeeping, improvements (ohallot, M Kaganski)
+ Google Season of Doc 2019
 + Contacts continuing, candidates mushrooming
+ Guides
 + Updates of Calc Guide on-going
 + Considering time-release publications scheme
 + Updates in wiki pages on Guide writing
+ Can we consider a new layout for book wiki pages ?
 + AOO wiki is better configured for long readings (line length)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 208(208) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months
 added 13(11)17(7)  31(8)   78(7)
 commented 50(26)   112(-34)   425(-13)   1373(-5)
   removed  0(0)  2(-1)  8(-4)  24(-1)
  resolved  2(1)  9(-1) 34(-6) 133(-1)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 564 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 22 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 19 changes in 1 month, and 212 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 197 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
 New needsUXEval between Jun/03-12

  * Elementary: Object handers are too faint
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125779
  * Change Redaction toolbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125830
  * Interaction on frame should only be executed in presentation mode
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125748
  => NEW/ASSIGNED

  * Difficult to add an animation Enhancement: "add animation" item in right
click menu
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125757
  ->  * Print dialog preview does not respect chosen measurement unit
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116120
  * PARAGRAPH BORDERS: Incorrect alignment in paragraph with first line
indented
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125804
  * I want an entry field added to be able to change the default amount of
indent for the Increase Indent button in LibreOffice Writer, Calc, and
any other LibreOffice programs that already contain an Increase Indent
button.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125065
  * Move HTML image embedding option to file export / save dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125841
  => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

  * CUSTOMIZE DIALOG: Duplication of Function name
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122523
  * Language of Auto Caption should be in line with language of document
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125842
  => DUP

 Easyhacks

  * why toggle function DrawText, 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Drew, Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Mike K, Xisco, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Stephan, Heiko, Caolan, Gabriel, Christian, Miklos,
  Kendy, Luke

* Completed Action Items:
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
   [ not possible to check ‘experimental’ at this place (Michael W) ]
+ commit access
   + communication issue wrt. help (Sophie)
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
   [ run it, didn’t send results out yet but will ~now ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
  + next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 2 weeks out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ now included.
+ so far no reports about something not working
  but still to early to draw conclusions.
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
   + Lubos working on the bugs …
   + crash traces now showing file-names (Caolan)
   + problem with streams with bad CRCs
   + used to not care during loading, but saving shows the issue
   + discussed on the dev list – awaiting conclusion
+ pulled out files that cause issues for Lubos (Caolan)
   + these files were artificially generated Forcepoint files
   + doesn’t matter which way we go – ignoring them is fine.
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy ~50+ patches
   + and some problems here, breaking things in gerrit
   + another week until it gets there in core, lets see
   + perhaps punt it.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ last release punted out decision on removing HSQLDB
+ should we do that / who makes that decision ?
+ would like to see it go but – do we think it will work ?
+ not a good idea to remove HSQLDB in 6.3 (Drew)
   + migration assistant is not capable of moving the
 majority of files it can run across.
   + E-mail on dev. list about this.
   + recommend leave firebird active as in 6.2
   + recommend expose migration assistant as it is today
  + but reasonable set of data-types doesn’t work for
   + needs to be fixed & improving SDBC driver to have parity
 with HSQL – spend time to 6.4 to focus activities to
 encourage migration.
   + prefer to drop this for 6.4 ...
+ what is the state ? (Caolan)
   + firebird is the default in 6.2 (Drew)
   + in 6.3 we get the migration assistant out of the box.
   + suggest on the dialog box saying “want to migrate ?” (Drew)
   + link to a wiki page with a tutorial to help there.
   + tie it into some blog posts – to get some urgency here (Drew)
AI:+ add link to the dialog (Caolan)
+ do we have a migration tracking bug ? (Caolan)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
 + Bullets/Numbering dialog (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125642
+ work ongoing by Gulsah, Mike K., Caolan, Miklos, Andras
  scaling issues here (?) Mike K and Caolan poked it.
   + not totally happy on the workflow, but big improvement.
   + Gulsah plans to still work on it but on vacation (Miklos)
  + lets re-visit next week.
  + good for QA to look (Heiko)
 + makes most senese when known issues are fixed (Miklos)
+ UI only, not frozen yet, not really a late feature
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + branched b1 release coming soon.

* Safari issue with sandboxing (Christian)
+ as a sandboxed app Safari can’t access files in LibreOffice distro
+ user can’t click links and load our built-in help anymore.
+ affects existing LibreOffice released versions
+ should we ship a built-in webkit widget (?)
   + horrible that the web is not this cross-platform thing (Michael)
   + use the browser of the system, build our own help viewer again (Cloph)
+ can sandbox’d safari access localhost ports ? (Michael Stahl)
   + could have 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Stephan, Olivier, Xisco, Michael S,
  Armin, Michael W, Cloph, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc2 status 
  released as final this week.
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
+ 6.3 alpha1: status
  + feature freeze: next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze: next week
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ enhancements for A11y (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ page house keeping (ohallot, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Applicants to supply a work plan 
+ ~20 contacts, 3 responses.
+ hopefully more by end of the month
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide under work by doc team.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(3) 19(-2)37(0)   83(1)  
 commented 61(-7)   241(10)   569(24)1463(35) 
   removed  3(2)  5(2) 16(1)   26(1)  
  resolved  5(4) 11(1) 44(0)  134(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 105 changes in 1 month, and 617 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 53 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 33 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 27 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 13 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/16-23

  * For (mail manage wizard) in (Tools) and in the step (Select Address
List) in case where the choice board is empty  and  are activated
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125330 
  * Add a link to FAQ to "JRE missing" message box
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * Writer – Aspect Ratio Incorrect When Making Image Fit Paragraph Width
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124888 
  * LibreOffice Theme dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125448 
  => in discussion, unconfirmed, needinfo

  * Tip of the Day dialog has different default controls for tips with and
without links, making different behaviour for simply pressing Enter
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * The tabs of the layer tabbar are much too wide in Draw without the
protect icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125403 
  * Implement different border colors depending on the LibreOffice app
launched on Windows
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125443 
  * Add Ctr+D and Ctrl+B to populate content from adjacent cells
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125417 
  * Bad layout in "Save As" dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125453 
  * Elements pane: Items not reachable without mouse
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65587 
  => new

->* The updater has never worked for me (on Linux) and manual
updating is extremely cumbersome
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125451
+ assume this is never seen in distro builds (Michael)
+ always only had the check-for-updates (Christian)
   + are they talking about this feature ?
   + or the un-released experimental incremental update from Markus
   + that’s not on Linux (Heiko)
+ works on Linux – only for daily builds (Xisco)
+ won’t get rid of update is available thing (Christian)
   + can improve the UI of course but … it stays.
  => 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Xisco, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Drew,
  Stephan, Cloph, Sophie, Miklos, Armin, Michael M, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.3 alpha1: tagged, builds uploaded, except Win32 (had to redo the build)
  + feature freeze: week after the next week
  + please announce late features next week, if there will be any
+ 6.2.4 rc2 – tag planned for today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpontent2 
 + XML Fixes, typos (fitoshido, A Gelmini, ohallot)
 + fix contents (bubli)
 + review of l10n issues (A. Timar)
+ Goggle Seasons of Doc
 + 16 Tech Writer candidates, 
 + mostly students
 + Evaluating their tech Writer skills.
+ Guides
 + On going Calc update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4)21(-2)37(1)   82(1)  
 commented 68(13)   231(14)   545(30)1428(21) 
   removed  1(1)  3(-2)15(1)   25(1)  
  resolved  1(-3)10(-1)44(-2) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 104 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 30 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 262 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/09-16

  * hyperlink choice should be remembered
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125246 
  * Wrong toolbar colors on Windows classic theme
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124851
  * duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard
use, eliminate duplicate accelerators
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227 
  * Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has
been filled with content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280 
  => DUP, WF, NAB

  * change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125275 
  * UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell
range is selected
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282 
  => in discussion

  * horizontal separator between notebookbar and main view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124667 
  => NEW

  ->  * Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217 
  * Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
  * Provide an option to hide the animation effect
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477 
  * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as
character
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
  * Missing color name(s) in Conditional formatting dialog, hard coded color
values not present on standard.soc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289 
  * wrong Bar color name in the Data bar dialog (#FF instead of Blue)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125288 
  * Replace hard-coded chevron by themable icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125296 
  => easyhack

  ->  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => needsDevAdvice

+ patch to show a What’s New infobar pointing to the releasenotes
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/72218/ (review pending)

  => please carefully update the release notes

 + what version do we include in there ? (Christian)
 + majors so 6.1 or 6.2
 + why not just chat to Christian (Michael)
 + keep it as it is ? (Heiko)
 + use what 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Sophie, Olivier, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Xisco, Gabriel, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out GSOC welcome mails on Monday & next steps (org admins)
+ poke NISZ to see who would want to attend (Michael)
+ enable gtk3_kde5 for x86_64 distro config (Christian)
[ enabled it for the 6.2.4 rc1 builds
  was missing a sanity check – now fixed in both branches ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc3
   + released on Tuesday
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – status
   + rc1 on mirrors.
   + rc2 – tagged next week
+ 6.3 alpha1: due this week – perhaps evening
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
   + 6.1.6 source released.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
+ Helpcontent2 (no news)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Contacting possible mentors
   + TDF will have only 1 project
  + at best 2 projects but 2nd not garanteed
   + Need to select the 1st project
  + LOOL Guide ?
  + Calc Guide ?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
  
+ Guides (non GSDOC)
   + New community members joining for Calc revision

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 23(2) 36(1)   81(1)  
 commented 55(-20)   217(1)515(26)1407(10) 
   removed  0(-2)  5(-1)14(0)   24(0)  
  resolved  4(2)  11(0) 46(0)  130(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 106 changes in 1 month, and 590 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 65 changes in 1 month, and 224 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 35 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 31 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 
year

+ New needsUXEval between May/02-09

  * shift-click for absolute reference when entering formulas
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125118 
  * New print dialog: Page Format is always A4
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123076 
 ->   * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or 
as character
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 
   + change the default from “to paragraph” to “as character”; 
 ask the community about preferences and introduce option in case of 
 a split
=> needinfo, in discussion
   + sounds like a good move (Miklos, Caolan)
   + match the similar default in Word.

  * Customizations made to Writer are not present in Master Document view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67014 
  => WF

  * UI: Show 'Go to first/last page' in new print dialog
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125130 
  => easyHack, needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (+0,-0) issues  
+ Crash testing:
  + 82(+72) import failure, 54(+44) export failures
  + big jump this week – single set of assets from starmath
 + backed out since lets see …
  + other crashers – some fixes in gerrit.
  + one writer crash – not reproducing even on test machine
outside of the run.
  + don’t expect to get back to zero for a couple of iterations.
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 public – hyperlink bits
  + MITRE pushback on description, resubmitted
+ need to duplicate versions in the text.
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 895 (+3)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1294 (-30)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 68 (-)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1832 (-88)
  + 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Caolán McNamara]

On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 15:44 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + Crash testing:

I meant to mention that I also refreshed the collection of files we
test, so its now up to 113070 documents

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Sophie, Thorsten, Olivier, Christian, Michael W, Eduard A, Caolan,
Michael M, Michael S, Xisco, Heiko, Eike

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc2 – status
+ tagged, but bug found by fuzzing, so will be an rc3
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – this week starting April 29th
+ 6.3 alpha1: next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Added “copy-to-clip” for BASIC and Python code (ohallot)
 + fixes in Javascript (buovjaga)
+ HelpContent2
 + New pages for Calc functions (ohallot)
 + Add release info on Calc functions (ohallot, M Kaganski)
 + refactoring of some Help pages (buovjaga)
 + More pages on Python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Google seasons of Doc
 + TDF accepted as mentor org – Yay!
 + Please forward your name for mentoring !
 + spike in interest too.
+ Books
 + New interested Authors/revisors

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 209(209) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(0) 21(1) 35(1)   80(2)  
 commented 75(4)216(-1)   489(-4)1397(7)  
   removed  2(2)  6(1) 14(1)   24(2)  
  resolved  2(-1)11(0) 46(-4) 131(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 93 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 64 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 62 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 48 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* New needsUXEval between Apr/25-May/02

  + Feature request: A similar approach of Dark mode like in MS Office which
do not override any document color & picture.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124969 
  + The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 
   -> + Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
   -> + Replace single toolbar with contextual single
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125040 

   -> + Cell Formatting for URL websites, or other URI schemes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124994
   -> + Custom page size missing from print dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78916 
   -> + Insert > Data Labels opens wrong dialog for all data series 
(as opposed to individual data series)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124995 
  => needsDevAdvice

  + uno:Hyphenate toggle in calc, draw, impress but not in writer menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125032 
  => Easyhack

  + looking at recent files list we should see the path info
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125076
  + Default shape name should refer to kind of shape instead of just Shape
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124989 
  => DUP/NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (-5,-0) issues
  + found a new issue that was back-ported to 6.1 - can fix before it got 
out.
+ Crash testing:
  + 10(+4) import failure, 10(-12) export failures
  + new pivot-table issue, some bits from Noel's optimization
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 assigned
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 992 (+114)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1264 (+161)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1920 (-93)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 1503 (+634)

  + No symbols for win 6.2.3.2 updated → https://paste.ee/p/wJqrW
+ talked with Moggi who was on vacation
+ checked - symbols for latest version were not updated.
+ could swear I didup-load (Christian)
+ if not there, symbols 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Olivier, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Thorsten, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan,
Michael S, Michael M, Michael W, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
+ drop ESC advice on alien formats into relevant bug ticket (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291#c15 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – next week starting April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
   + tagged before the call – builds triggered
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fixes in build (sberg, himanjin1)
+ Fixes in search (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes (ohallot)
+ updates in function names (kompilainen)
+ Google Seasons of DOC
+ Awaiting April 30th for response
+ Guides:
+ Stalled. Will interact with GSoD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(7) 20(10)34(9)   78(11) 
 commented 71(30)   217(34)   493(35)1390(66) 
   removed  0(-3) 5(-1)13(0)   22(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 11(-4)50(-5) 132(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 89 changes in 1 month, and 568 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 70 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 63 changes in 1 month, and 208 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 20 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Apr/18-25

  * Context toolbar make jumping ui
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 
  * Formatting: Formula result has different alignment than regular values
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124860 
  * close button on menubar didn't use the color of the menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124928 
  * Save icon breaks icon customization
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193  
  => in discussion

  * Help->About LibreOffice dialog does not specify whether 32 or 64 bit 
is installed
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
+ proposal is to add 32bits when its not 64.
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  => new/easyhack
+ currently option is Never
   + it is dangerous currently (Heiko)
 + might need an update.
 + can re-calculate alien formats
   + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael)
   + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)
 + would be there always for Alien formats.
   + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike)
 + can have some other wording, but …
+ suggestion is two-fold (Heiko)
   + not having a blocking dialog
 → info-bar is not controversial (Michael)
   + ask the user or not.
 → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike)
+ problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike)
   + these can need re-calculating from an old version.
   + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy)
   + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike)
  + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 
eg. but not a friend of that.
   + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko)
  + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike)
   + should do something familiar (Michael)

  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => wfm

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 12 (+2,-0) issues
  + fix in gerrit.
+ Crash testing:
  + 6(-2) import failure, 22(+18) export failures
- export failures are really 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Xisco Fauli]

Hi Michael,

> + UI testing tool update ?
>   + Code is in 
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/uitest/mass-testing
>   + Calc: Found some crashes related to the dynamic number of columns work
>   - E.g. 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124818
>   - Noel fixing them
>   + Writer: Many files crashing with paste + undo
>   - Mostly related to 
>   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117215
> + inherited from OpenOffice
>   - 13800 crashes in crashreport of this signature → 
> https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/BigPtrArray::Index2Block(unsigned%20long)
> + what is a big number for traces ? (Michael)
>+ difficult to tell (Xisco)
>   + don’t know in total; think it’s a big #
>   + tested 2500 files, and 30 crash.

I've just remembered we can retrieve the total number of crashes from
the crashreport API [1], so the crash mentioned above represents the 0.3
of the total

Regards

[1] http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/api/get/crash-count


-- 
Xisco Faulí
Libreoffice QA Team
IRC: x1sc0


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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Eike, Miklos, Xisco, Michael S, Heiko, Gabriel, Christian, Michael W,
Michael M, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 – announced as final today.
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – week after next starts April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
  + to be tagged next week – last one of 6.1.x
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is now updated for Java SDK
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fixes (sberg)
+ Help content2
   + New pages for Python (libreofficiant)
   + Housekeeping (ohallot)
   + reviewing some clunky patches in gerrit (ohallot)
+ Google Season of Doc
   + please add your ideas in the wiki (‘til 4/22/2019)
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides
+ slow improvements on Calc guide update
+ “Tip of the day” as GSDoc ? (Heiko)
+ add some mentor to the page for that (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 207(207) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added 11(6)  17(5)  32(4)   74(3)  
 commented 46(-20)   192(-19)   481(-1)1351(19) 
   removed  3(3)   6(0)  13(2)   23(2)  
  resolved  3(2)  16(-5) 56(-3) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 65 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 47 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Apr/11-18

  * menubar show icon in an separte column next to text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124789
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  * Paste structured text without format but with styles
 -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124764 
  * Option required to show low resolution preview instead of full
resolution for smooth navigation of documents with high resolution
linked images
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117754 
  * Unable to use keyboard to activate the header/footer frame menu button
pop up menu from header/footer edit window
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124113 
  * PARAGRAPH BORDER: Modification border always adds a new border
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124748 
  => unconfirmed/in discussion

  * Update to version 6.2 broke personalisation (theme)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123911 
  => dup

  * Hyperlinks' fonts keep changing when saved/exported as PDF
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123777 
  => new/bug

 needsDevAdvice
  * List incompatible features when saving to alien formats in detail
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291 
+ prototype for solution in c5; feasability unclear
+ trad. answer is – better to fix the interop problems (Michael)
+ 15 highlighting colors doens’t go to MSO (Heiko)
+ why do we have so many ? (Michael)
+ its lots of work scanning the doc to find problems (Michael)
+ two sides – better to spend energy supporting (Miklos)
+ on other side – the CSV filter “only current sheet”
+ some merit to this.
+ in the past did have some scanner code to detect
+ this was removed.
+ remember the filter collection / warning (Caolan)
+ back in the day – more effort to detect missing than impl. It
+ perhaps for big features works, but micro-level tricky.
+ PDF export has something like this too.
AI: + drop chunk into the bug & send to QA (Heiko)

* Crash Testing 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

From last Thursday - somehow I forgot to post; thanks to
buovjaga for the reminder:

* Present:
+ Olivier H, Christian, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie,
  Heiko, Caolan, Michael W, Stephan, Gabriel, Michael M, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ have a script that creates number of consecutive failures,
needs to be hooked up to alerts ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – status
   + tagged and built; being up-loaded to pre-releases then mirrors
+ 6.1.6 rc1 - status
   + tagging later today – final release for 6.1.x line
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:
   + 6.2.3 release up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Reverted proposed patch for makefile (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
 + page for ‘–convert-to’ filters names (buovjaga, ohallot)
 + Pages for handling events in Python (libreofficiant)
 + Fixes in pages (ohallot)
+ GSoDOC
 + Compiling projects
+ Guides
 + On going Calc Guide

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 206(206) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 12(-2)27(-4)  70(-8) 
 commented 78(31)   203(28)   482(-15)   1326(-58)
   removed  1(0)  6(0) 11(1)   21(1)  
  resolved  2(-2)21(0) 60(0)  130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 60 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 26 changes in 1 month, and 233 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 19 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Apr/04-Apr/11

   * why toggle function DrawText, HyperlinkDialog and Horizontal Line
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124673 
   * remove formular toolbar from writer -> view -> toolbars
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124642 
   * tabs in calc (for sheets) and draw (for layer) style
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124572 
   => in discussion

   * 7x
   => resolved dup, wfm, nab, wf

   * OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 
   * jumping ui in calc (pastespecial drop down menu with/without arrow)
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124561 
   => new

   * writer>menubar>Edit> .uno:ShadowCursor isn't related to select subgroup
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124665 
   * HideWhiteSpace should be positive Show Whitespace
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124686 
   * Menubar: Show icons for the most important items
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124649 
   * Add a spellout outline numbering style
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124608 
   * Easier use of CSV in Wizards->Address Data Source
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113753 
   * FORMATTING: paragraph alignment options position is unintuitive
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65473 
   * UX: Handling of empty textboxes
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107825 
   => accepted, easyhack

   * Fix accessibility warnings in .ui files
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119931 
   * Print dialog: margin and distance input are mixed up
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124567 
   => fixed, work in progress

   + always a good idea to test the defaults (Michael)
 + same used for file I/O & UI (Miklos)
+ test this with documents.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 10 (+20,-21) issues
+ dynamic calc col change seems to cause these
  + back to where we started.
+ Crash testing:
  + 27(+21) import failure, 6(+5) export failures
 + jump 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Michael M, Gabriel, Eduard A, Miklos,
  Heiko, Kendy, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, Michael S, Eike, Sophie,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Michael W

* Completed Action Items:
+ take a look at symbol / crashtest bits (Markus, Christian)
  [ server ran out of disk-space so couldn’t process them → now fixed ]
+ get Laurent Alonso commit access (Miklos)
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ seems like it is sorted ]
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  [ too late ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  [ also expired ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
[ done manually for now – should be done next week ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week.
+ 6.2.3 rc1 available on mirrors
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – available next week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week
   + tagging Thur after 6.2.3
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Replacement icons now in gbuild (ohallot, buovjaga)
   + have a donation button in the help too now.
+ Help contents 2
   + Housekeeping and maintenance (ohallot, libreofficiant, A.Gelmini)
+ Google season of Code / Docs
   + registered TDF as organization (ohallot)
   + working on projects (ohallot djredaux)
   + would love suggestions for simple projects so 
 we can find tech. writers
   + “Easy-doc”.
   + not for students but for technical writers.
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides 
   + more updated on Calc Guide (J. Weber)  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 225(225) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 14(0) 31(1)   78(-1) 
 commented 47(-7)   175(9)497(55)1384(8)  
   removed  1(1)  6(1) 10(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  4(-4)21(-3)60(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 567 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 39 changes in 1 month, and 157 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 9 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Mar/28-Apr/04

* Sidebar Separator lines
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
* calc menubar: SheetCommentMenu should be in EditMenu instead of
  SheetMenu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124523
* LO request to enhancement: make the '?' sign workable in Help -> About
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124541
=> in discussion

* Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar
  in Tabbed interface
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
* FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
   ->   * 'Pick a Color' dialog: Give option to add a color to the custom
  palette
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124418
   ->   * Change case -> Sentence case doesn't honor selection; case of entire
  sentence changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49033
* Redundant undo/redo items in grouped compact bar
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124392
=> accepted/forwarded

   ->   * Change bullet styles names in Style section of Sidebar in Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124471
=> fixed today.

* toggeling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, UI
  unclear about this
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
* Unable to use keyboard navigation to 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Miklos, Michael M, Michael W, Heiko, Kendy, Christian,
  Olivier, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:
+ commit access for Grzegorz Araminowicz (Miklos)
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
  [ keeping an eye on it ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ number to zero – so perhaps solved ? ]
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  + mentors much appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging this evening.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 week after next.
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is being updated (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes support for IE11 (buovjaga, himajin10)
+ Added module name to Contents links (ohallot)
+ housekeeping (A. Gelmini)
+ Helpcontent2
+ No news
+ Guides
+ more chapters reviewed for Calc Guide
+ Ch 7 (ohallot)
+ Ch 2 (D. Barton)
+ Ch 6 (Jean Weber)
+ Need a new chapter for Calc Statistics
+ anyone interested?

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 226(226) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 14(0) 30(3)   79(1)  
 commented 54(-3)   166(-9)   442(20)1376(-7) 
   removed  0(-1) 5(-1) 9(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  8(0) 24(5) 59(8)  132(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 73 changes in 1 month, and 558 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 36 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 25 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 12 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between Mar/20-28

   * Sidebar Separator lines
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
 => in discussion

   * Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar 
 in Tabbed interface
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
   * FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
 => accepted/forwarded

   * toggling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, 
 UI unclear about this
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
   * Unable to use keyboard navigation to access Brochure radio button 
 in Print dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124249
 => WFM, NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(-2) export failures
  + suspect export failures are transient / intermittent.
+ coverity suspended – until it supports c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + build got broken there, fixed now again
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  + ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 837 (+46)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 875 634 (+241)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1295 (+59)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1227 (+79)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 724 (-)
  + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
  + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
+ just a display issue – all on the same category
+ all current versions should be handled correctly.
+ when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
  symbols resolved.
+ problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Stephan, Xisco, Eduard A, Michael W, Gabriel, Miklos, Caolan, 
Olivier, Sophie, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ create Paris hack-fest wiki page (Sophie)

* Pending Action Items:
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Eduard A Intro:
+ Interested in Online, from 1&1
+ first commits are already coming
+ welcome (all)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2.2 rc2 status → announced
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging next week
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is not up-to-date, working on it. (Christian)
+ Online: Andras tagged the 6.2.2.2

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help:
  + Improvements in donation button (buovjaga)
  + Backported to 6.2 (ohallot)
+ Help Contents 2
  + More pages on undocumented Basic (ohallot)
  + Housekeeping on Help pages (M. Robbinson, A Timar)
  + Pages on Hyperlink dialog (Shubham Goyal)
+ Guides.
   + team ramping up in update of Calc Guide 6.x

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added  4(0) 14(1) 27(0)   78(-7)
 commented 57(12)   175(20)   422(7) 1383(-24)
   removed  1(-1) 6(1)  8(-1)  20(1)
  resolved  8(4) 19(3) 51(2)  128(0)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 592 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 41 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 35 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 256 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 109 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 8 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval

   * tabbed toolbar notebookbarshortcuts.xml vertical center align
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123292
 => accepted

   * VIEWING zoom 100% really 91%
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123969
 => NAB

   * FORMCONTROLS: Add "bottom" or "underline" as border option
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124189
   * ImageMap to Tools menubar
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124198
   * TABLE: Difference between default style as template and default style
 as style is not clear
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124206
=> in discussion

 + New easyhacks
   * Place focus on header/footer frame menu button when header/footer
 is empty
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
 + has code pointers

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 3(+0) import failure, 2(+0) export failures
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ First block of 10 assigned

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 791 (-121)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 634 656 (-22)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1236 (-262)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1148 (+75)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Olivier, Heiko, Michael M, Kendy, Michael W,
  Miklos, Christian, Eike, Xisco, Sophie,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + this week – will tag today/tomorrow
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date, working on it.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvements in donation button for online Help (buovjaga)

+ Help Contents 2
   + Updates in pages, fixes (ohallot, S. Goyal, LibreOfficiant)

+ Guides
   + New volunteers arriving

+ Google Summer of Documentation
   + looking into how to participate  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 236(236) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(2) 13(1) 27(-2)  85(-2) 
 commented 45(22)   155(28)   415(14)1407(-1) 
   removed  2(2)  5(2)  9(2)   19(2)  
  resolved  4(-2)16(0) 49(2)  128(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 103 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 42 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 36 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 26 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 17 changes in 1 month, and 299 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 15 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 12 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 9 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Mar/06-14
  * highlights to copy blocks will not go disappear after operation is done
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123799
  * Paste into a protected Calc sheet should not paste the cell 
Protected status
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123974
  * alt key should open and highlight menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124048
  * Maybe place focus on header/footer frame menu button when 
header/footer is empty
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
  => in discussion

  * Code insertion in LibreOffice Writer
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124070
  => WF

  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
  => NEW

+ New easyhacks
  * UI: lock toolbar by default
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92484
  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
   
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(-6) import failure, 1(-1) export failures
  + apparently all redlining issues are sorted out
  + close to the noise area again
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+1) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 912 (-283)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 656 (-63)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1498 (-1034)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1073 (-)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 + date is still not 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael M, Christian, Eike, Caolan, Heiko,
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + released as final yesterday
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + pushed to mirror network the same day.
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + next week – will tag towards end of the week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date will fix this week.
+ Online
   + 6.2.1 source release out. 

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Some XSLT optimizations (ohallot)
 + Improvements in build robustness (part) (sberg)
 + Helpcontent2
 + Addressing menus changes for Impress/Draw (buovjaga)
 + Nomenclature changes (kompilainen)
 + Add release info for Calc fucntions (ohallot)
 + other improvements (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + resuming Calc guides review wiki page (T.Thibodeaux) 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 240(240) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4) 12(-5)29(-7)  87(-11)
 commented 23(-32)   127(-8)   401(-27)   1408(-32)
   removed  0(-3)  3(0)  7(0)   17(-1) 
  resolved  6(4)  16(2) 47(3)  127(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 74 changes in 1 month, and 575 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 32 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 23 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 14 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 159 changes in 1 year

 + new tickets
   + zarro
   + is that because Xisco hands them to you normally ? (Michael)
   + probably – he’s on vacation (Heiko)
  + or it is far too usable already  

 + easyhacks
   + Make shortcuts extensionizable
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123768

 + ack request
   + Remove access to Firefox Persona in favor of self-hosted extensions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123831
 + Moz changes API continuously – want themes of our own etc.
   => remove & ideally switch to new extensions

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7(+6) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
  - mst has additional fixes which will probably fix the last of the
red-lines in next build
  – but new asserts/crashes have emerged
- interesting new asserts ? Or what triggers them ?  
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 11 (+3) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + found other one – but not really serious.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ still some issues outstanding
– layout issues with additional asserts in ordinary docs.
- unclear if this is the original reason, or something new.
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 905 (-134)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1195 (-65)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 719 (+275)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 2532 (+718)
  + lots more issues on fresh:
+ Hike in the download numbers recently
+ not entirely clear where it comes from; nothing interesting.
+ mostly from Spain, .cz, Poland, distributed etc.
+ people are using LibreOffice more often it seems → crash rate.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps
  + April 25th April 28th → Easter variously.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
+ Paris in Summer
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier,Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Michael S, Michael M
  Christian, Caolan, Miklos, Thorsten, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  + not done → abandoning for now.

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + delayed a little – some external library fixes 
   + on mirrors now and ready to be distributed.
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + tagging it this weekend sometime.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + pages CSS tweaks (fitoshido)
 + improvements in build robustness (sberg)
 + updates XLST

+ Helpcontent2
 + updates in contents (libreofficiant, ohallot, fitoshido, Mark
   Robbinson, Mike Kaganski, A Gelmini)
 + Most screenshot are currently useless (tdf#123765)
  + dialogs with tabs are collapsed – missing other tabs
  + can’t use the images.   

+ Help editor
 + Investigating the integration of editor with gerrit
 + lots of work to do here.

+ Guide books
+ Team is growing with arrival of US based volunteers
+ willing new contributors here - shifted meeting for them

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 257(257) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-1)17(0) 36(-1)  98(1)  
 commented 55(19)   135(-3)   428(17)1440(15) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(0)   18(4)  
  resolved  2(-2)14(-6)44(2)  124(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 586 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 30 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 152 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 18 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 17 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year

  + New needsUXEval between Feb/21-28

* Envelope dialog: Make dialog more a11y friendly
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107625
=> New

* Proposal of Enhancement for Writer / Table of Contents, Index or
  Bibliography
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123673
* Proposed Scale Tool feature
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123713
=> WFM

  + New proposed easyhacks – help with code pointers appreciated. 

* Disable "Close Bezier" when multiple objects are selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90373
* Cartesian System
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120582
* Reorganizing “Border” tab on “Format Cells” window in Calc
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100548
* add "coil" to draw basic shape menu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50998
* Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - no change: redline-related (?)
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 8 issues, 7 timeouts, 1 OOM 
  - down one from last week
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ had a run, but did not get any new ones; probably fixed
+ CVE issues
+ will be able to handle CVE’s ourselves (Caolán)
+ CNA process
+ asked in the meeting wrt. stupid stuff in the past
   + all not expected
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco, Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 1064 1039 (-25)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1478 1260 (-218)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 382 444 (+62)
  + 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2019-02-21

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+ Eike, Thorsten, Kendy, Sophie, Miklos, Gabriel, Heiko, Christian,
  Michael W., Michael S., Caolán, Stephan, Heiko, Olivier 

* Completed Action Items:
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ Olivier will poke Kendy when needed  ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
  + due this week, not tagged yet
  + Will tag later today or tomorrow. 
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
   + The plan is in the wiki now
   + hard freeze: July; feature freeze end of May
   + UI + string freeze in between - June (Cloph)
   + if distros have special needs, please let Cloph know
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Fixes in logic for main help entry (olivier)
 + fix in Help build (sberg)
 + Fix of Help button (Caolán)   
 + CSS improvements (fistoshido)
+ Helpcontents2
 + More pages in python (libreofficiant)
 + upgrades in pages (olivier, kompilainen, buovjaga)

+ Guides
 + Migration to NextCloud + LOOL
 + Resuming update of Calc book
 + new team members
 + welcome! :-) - from the US
 + considering updating the meeting time to fit the Americas better

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 266(266) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-3) 17(-5) 37(-6)  97(-5) 
 commented 36(-15)   138(-38)   411(-11)   1425(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(-2)  7(-2)  14(-1) 
  resolved  4(-1) 20(-3) 42(0)  122(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 170 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 27 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 27 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 12 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Alex ARNAUD made 10 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Feb/14-21

 * Windows 10 Notebookbar doesn't display personalized themes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123254
 => dup

 * Setting a Hyperlink to a Bookmark in a W-Document should Become Easier
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123514
 * Should be possible to customise menu/toolbars delivered with an extension
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123590
 ->  * New wizard for filling bank checks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123599
 => in discussion

 * Accessibility: No keyboard shortcut to open a HYPERLINK in Calc cells
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123159
 * Sidebar content panel title's "more optns" btn not accessible w shift tab
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102140
 ->  * I Want an Acoustic plus an Optical Signal when Wrap Around happens when 
   Searching or Searching and Replacing
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123565
 => new
   + could we use the Beep() similar to what is in BASIC? (Miklos)
   + not really, the ideal would be to use the system sounds + system
 settings

 ->  * Allow User to Select External Image Editing Tool
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51096
 ->  * Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560
 ->  * NAVIGATOR, "copy outline to clipboard" should be avail in context menu
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123395
 => easyhack/needsdeveval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - redline-relate 
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Christian, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie
  Xisco, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke OpenLabs for a hackfest room in Tirana (Xisco)
[ posted to their forum:
https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
no response in a week, do we have interest ? ]
+ poke Rene before bumping to Java 1.6 baseline (Thorsten)
  [ all happy in gerritpatch merged ]
+ add commit access for Aleksei from basealt (Thorsten)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Cloph)
  [ will use same process as for the remote
will convert XML files to po for translators]  
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ Japanese is disabled manually for now to get the stats ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ best to connection IRC to remind Kendy ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc1 status
  + tagged, up on mirrors but not made public yet.
  + rc2: Feb 19 – next week; as planned.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
  + a bit further out.
+ 6.3 release schedule updated in the wiki
  + early April we have the 1st Alpha.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + stuck on this during testing … release this week.
  + recently started on Online / iOS approach (Kendy)
 + committing bits, noticed that currently using 14 as min SDK ver.
 + this is very low; anything with an SDK14 device – can’t run it.
 + even for NDK need Android 16 (Christian)
 + is it ok to bump it to 21 eg. ? (Kendy)
+ 16 would be ok – already there (Christian)
   + 16 is ok.
 + committing to master, hope we don’t break normal build
 + Q for GSOC (Thorsten)
+ long-term maintain in parallel ?
+ would like to kill Fennec / Java monster (Michael)
+ is it in a state where GSOC can work ? (Thorsten)
   + asked student to talk to Gulsha (Michael)
+ ATM – depends how far we get with iOS version (Kendy)
   + lets see next ESC.
   + not worth pointing at the old code, lacks features
+ if moving too fast – perhaps not GSOC at it ? (Christian)
   + de-couples mobile-UI from mobile quite nicely (Kendy)
 + easier for students to develop.
 + new approach, Android Studio is much nicer.
+ does anyone feel particularly strongly wrt. Java ver ? (Thorsten)
   + if didn’t have Moz gecko stuff – rather stick with Android (Cloph)
  + fear is a version that doesn’t follow
Android semantics / usability
   + Tomaz & Miklos co-mentored Mert last year (Miklos)
  + everyone happy to see this.
   + trying to do it so both apps continue to work for now (Kendy)
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix glitch in 6.2 online version (ohallot).
+ not working on Mac (Xisco)
   + patch in gerrit. 
+ Help contents
+ Fixes in pages (vmiklos, fitoshido) 
+ New pages on python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ resuming activities after FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 268(268) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(4) 22(6) 43(0)  102(6)  
 commented 51(24)   176(-6)   422(-5)1440(25) 
   removed  0(0)  2(0)  9(-2)  15(0)  
  resolved  5(4) 23(-4)42(3)  122(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 99 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 40 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 37 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 302 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 22 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 346 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 18 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Feb/06-14

* Menubar -> File -> Versions, save group combine

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Stephan, Christian, Miklos, Thorsten,
  Michael S, Xisco, Aditya, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Showroom, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ PVS Stdio
  [ MikeK plodding through remaining issues & will ask for re-trigger ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ]
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC2 status
  + tagging next week, final release announce with 6.2 final after FOSDEM
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagged, need to re-build windows source checkout.
  + mac build is up-loaded,afterbuildwill up-load Linux
  + marketing put announcement back until after FOSDEM   
  + people want to be at home and react properly  
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + tweak in Search box (buovjaga) 
+ Helpcontent2
 + Several pages for Python + Basic Programming (A. Romedenne, ohallot)
 + Typos and cleanups (A Gelmini, A. Barrientos)
 + Graphics updates to svg (Mark Robbinson) 
+ Guides
 + Calc guide updates 
+ Prep for FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 270(270) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2) 12(0) 49(-2)  97(-3) 
 commented 71(25)   158(30)   437(20)1451(2)  
   removed  1(0)  2(1) 11(1)   15(0)  
  resolved  8(-3)23(3) 38(5)  119(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 556 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 47 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

  * New needsUXEval between Jan/17-24

 * notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
=> NAB
   
 * Shortcuts for shapes in Draw/Impress
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122928

 * Add shortcut keys / hotkeys to set zoom level?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82679

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   => unconfirmed/in discussion
   
 * Custom Shortcut not working properly on OSX
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122391
   => bug

 * Styles dropdown menu has wrong tooltip: "Create style from selection"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74446
   => new, easyhack

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   => patch submitted, input welcome (U+202F NNBSP too wide with Liberation
Serif, U+200A HAIR SPACE too small maybe)
   + is it an ‘insert character’ UNO command with a parameter ? (Michael)
  + ideal not to add large numbers of UNO commands 1 per character  

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+0) import failures, 15(+0) export failures
  + crashtesting vm suspended, causing problems:
- https://status.documentfoundation.org/incident/140/
  + pretty sure mstahl has one fixed, and another is isolated & reproducible
+ ?? was 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synopsys.com/s/article/Coverity-Scan-Update actually
now coverity is completely down for everybody with no ETA for
  

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Thorsten Behrens]

Michael Meeks wrote:
> * GSOC 2019 (Xisco)
> AI: Submit proposal (Thorsten/Heiko/Xisco)
> 
Done.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael W, Stephan, Michael S, Michael M, Heiko,
  Xisco, Caolan, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for 6.1 for now (Justin L)

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]
+ discuss PVS Stdio on dev list – someone look into it ? (Thorsten, MikeK)
  [ report came attached to a bug – need to ask for a re-run ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, builds are all up except win32 (building)
  + RC2 during the week of FOSDEM – plan to tag on Wed 30th
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagging due next week.
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online
  + up-loaded rc2 source

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ more WIP for Help Editor:
+ https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2019/
+ https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
+ Using to check XHP and page rendering.
+ Helpcontents2
+ several fixes in page (SophiaS, A Gelmini)
+ Pages on Python (A Romedenne)
+ Updates pages for deprecated resources (ohallot)
+ pages for undocumented resources - eg. shift-F5 (ohallot)
+ Some refactor to spare L10n workload (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 271(271) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 12(-2) 51(-4) 100(-5) 
 commented 46(-8)   128(-16)   417(-20)   1449(-7) 
   removed  1(0)  1(-2) 10(-1)  15(-1) 
  resolved 11(8) 20(7)  33(6)  113(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 39 changes in 1 month, and 543 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 38 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 20 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 14 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 8 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jan/10-17

* LibreOffice 6.2 notebook tabbed bar is missing RTL and LTR buttons
  after enabling CTL
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121589
* Notebookbar context related toolbars are visible
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122087
* context Menu: remove tabletext.xml from sd modules
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120844
* Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are
  disabled due to style being assigned to Chapter Numbering
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
=> NEW

* Print (selected) pages harder to use in new printer dialog in 6.3+
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122707
* calc and draw sheet tab hardcoded black color actions
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122734
* UI: Shape background color depends on template
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122725
* Table background color not changing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122486
=> in discussion

* Add zig-zag lines for table borders
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122766
=> unconfirmed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+9) import failures, 15(+15) export failures
  + import issue should be fixed in the next round.
  + export looks like related to redlining
  + but not isolated a reproducer yet -
+ ?? 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M,
  Olivier, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to Zotero (Michael)
  [ not obvious how to move ahead; technology & license (AGPL)
installed it (Heiko)
   + Java - 100Mb install, connectors to different apps
   + LibreOffice connector – as an extension ]
+ blog poll with ~50/50 acceptance to drop bibliography (Heiko)
  [ some accept getting rid of it, others say minimum func.
makes sense for basic users without online connection.
Could do a GSOC project (Samuel volunteered) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
+ 6.2 RC 1 status
  + ready for the bug hunting Friday tomorrow.
+ 6.2 RC 2 – due week 2 – Jan 17th  
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 after RC2.
  + Late Features
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ merged into master & 6.2 branch in time for RC1
+ except for document indexes – still being worked on
  which should be finished by tomorrow.
+ is it enabled by default ? (Xisco) 
 + yes enabled by default (Michael S)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + will provide a new version to the app store but no up-loaded yet.
 + Online
+ 6.2 rc1 source up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Added  for proper rendering of python code (ohallot)
+ Work on online editor: render XHP page while editing (ohallot)
+ Help contents2
+ many fixes by translators (S. Horacek, Sabri Unai, ohallot)
+ miscellaneous fixes (erAck, ohallot)
+ additions and corrections for Basic and Python pages (libreofficiant)
+ Issue: How to add menus and toolbars for new UIs such as:
Notebook bar, simple bar, grouped bars, etc.
   + Huge work to describe UNO commands in new UIs. 
   + each page describes where a tool is eg. “menu → format → character”
   + considering all the cmds in an interface – quite a lot of work.
   + also confusing to list several (Michael)
  + the resulting is the same but the way to get it different.
  + should be able to do it programatically from
.uno:Format to a path in the UI.
   + menu never changes (Heiko)
  + help on notebookbars – perhaps just drop that.
  + concerned about the workflow around notebookbar,
too many options in the UI – and not close to usability.
  + we have five variants of similar UIs – which goes in &
is documented ?
+ development of new ones is easy.
  + propose to ship 1, not an arbitrary number of them.
 + making it an extension kills it (Michael)
+ few people install them
+ why should that be ? (Heiko)
   + practically it is – fixing that is hard (Michael)
 + if we get XML somewhere – can get it on pages (Olivier)
+ right transformation to find the files & simplify docs here.
 + in the end it is all .uno:Foo commands (Kendy)
+ menu/toolbar/sidebar
AI: + send some quick code pointers to Olivier (Kendy)
+ Guides.
+ Updates ongoing on Calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-6) 19(-3) 61(-1) 102(-1) 
 commented 35(-21)   147(-19)   435(-1)1444(-8) 
   removed  1(1)   6(0)   9(1)   13(1)  
  resolved  3(2)   7(1)  22(0)  111(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 92 changes in 1 month, and 547 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 37 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 32 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Caolan, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Michael W, Heiko,
  Stephan, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Mert

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Guilhelm wrt gandalf → to poke admins (Christian)
  [ Markus volunteered to look at this & ~all is well (Stephan) ]
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ run the script – and mailed it out ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still failing when languages are enabled.
Not sure if it is related to langtag things –
perhaps a coincidence ? - more digging required ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
  + will up-load builds during the day.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + want to tag early to help out bug-hunting with builds before Friday
 + aiming for Tuesday evening – please help out reviewing patches.
  + currently require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + Late Features ?
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ a flurry of activity in the private branch private/mst/redlining4b
+ pretty confident.
+ running mass-comparison framework from Milos 
+ should be in a good shape next week.
+ with consent of ESC – if none of the BZ docs trigger problems.
+ as close to production ready as possible.
+ crash testing ? (Michael)
   + input documents are the set of bugzilla docs (Thorsten)
  + lots of overlap
  + also using it with no experimental (Xisco)
  + don’t without the branch (Thorsten)
=> merge it into RC1 – not experimental anymore.
   + easy to turn off later – just a 1 liner.
   + happy to have a kill-switch too (Miklos)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + thanks to Stephan for fixing C++ exceptions here
  + updated tinderbox to recent debian so it now builds.
  + Christian has access to recovery console too now.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Updates in XSLT + DTD for Python code fragments
 + writing python documentation / help
 + Help
 + Fix typos from translators review (ohallot, Sabri Unal)
 + some refactor (SophiaS)
 + Fix menu paths for recent UI (S. Horacek)
 + New pages for Python Scripts (ohallot, libreofficiant)
 + New pages for StarDesktop, Enum objects (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + Work in progress

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(1)  22(-6)62(4)  103(1)  
 commented 56(-12)   166(-2)   436(12)1452(-16)
   removed  0(0)   6(-2) 8(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  1(-1)  6(1) 22(-1) 112(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 534 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 33 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 10 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Dec/06-Dec/12

   * Wasting of time and bad behaviour when you use the 'clone' of the cell
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121876
 => NAB
   * Mail Merge toolbar hidden on next run if it was manually enabled
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122002
 => NEW
   * default padding around Images
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122063
   * Some enhancement request for customization dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121939
   * Some enhancement request and issues for the Personas dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121937
   * Can't select/pick multiples shapes or images in
 Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw with CTRL key
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121967
   * Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation
 (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554
 => in discussion

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Heiko Tietze]

On 06.12.18 17:51, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Hi Markus,
> 
> On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
>> (Heiko)
>>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>>  
>> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
>> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
>> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.
> 
>   Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

Of course it was necessary. I mentioned the irritation just as a reminder to 
acknowledge everyone about changes. If it was announces at the ESC people can 
blame me to not forward the info :-).



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Markus,

On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
> (Heiko)
>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>  
> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.

Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

> perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139. 
> 
> As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
> config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
> take care of the update during the weekend.

Thanks so much for that ! seems like that one machine does a lot.

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey all,

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:31 PM Michael Meeks 
wrote:

>  + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
> + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>
>

These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for many
regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.


> * Tinderbox bits (Stephan)
> + gandalf – too old compiler; keeps failing tinderboxen
>+ bit of a problem, needs SUSE goodwill to help us connect a
> console etc.
>+ can we not live-upgrade it ? (Thorsten)
>+ just needs a new gcc (Stephan)
>   + some SLES12 there – with internal repos etc. (Thorsten)
>  + in some odd state there.
>+ not eager to touch it unless we can afford to loose it (Thorsten)
> + rsync some container or other onto there ?
> + what jobs run there ? (Thorsten)
>+ lcov, perftest(?), random config,
>  UI testing, update, UI testing (Stephan, Christian)
>+ can we move jobs off it ?
>   + unclear if they have extra build deps ? (Christian)
>  + perhaps more sustainable to migrate this (Thorsten)
> + poke Guilhelm → to poke admins (Christian)
>


perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139.

As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
take care of the update during the weekend. I already managed to get gperf
working but the SUSE network firewall blocks access to github so flex could
not be updated. The new compiler should be possible without major issues.

Regards,
Markus
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael S, Kendy, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Xisco, Eike 

* Completed Action Items:
+ fwd port experimental firebird migration patch to -6-2 (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ hope to have run for next time ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still WIP] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2 Beta 2 – no request → skip  
+ 6.1.4 RC2
  + due next week tagging expected Tues.  
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar: merged to master & -6-2 (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
+ trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ preparing a back-port of parts already done to -6-2 branch
   + can merge this branch tomorrow
+ doing some testing / fixing of crashers from printing & 
formatting 
+ have a few more issues to fix
+ can we turn it out of experimental in master ? (Thorten)
   + then we get crash-testing – next week perhaps.
 + showstopper fixed for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ thanks to Mike K.
 + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
+ how to know ? - checkout release notes
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + tinderbox off-line while it is updated to gcc7 baseline.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing this week)
+ Help contents
+ pages fixes and refactor (A. Gelmini, erAck,
M. Kaganski, LibreOficiant, ohallot)
+ New help page on OpenPGP encryption (ohallot, bubli).
+ Guides
+ Team working in updating Calc Guide to 6.2

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 285(285) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 28(-4)58(2)  102(3)  
 commented 68(34)   168(7)424(37)1468(30) 
   removed  0(-5) 8(0)  8(0)   13(-1) 
  resolved  2(2)  5(-3)23(1)  113(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 60 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 50 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 16 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
   + 11 new needsUXEval between Nov/29-Dec/06

   * Rework tab Header/Footer in dialogue Page style in Calc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121777
   * Autocorrect: an option to avoid auto-capitalization of some words
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121779
   * Doesn't active menu item Insert->Headers and Footers in Calc 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121759
   * Table with no styles created by table picker differs from a table 
 with no styles created by insert table dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121816
   * UI: Name of options section "HTML Compatibility" doesn't match 
 the wider scope of available options
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121837
   * The problem of drawing trapezoidal graphs
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116672
   * Gutters
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121883
   * Horizontal table borders appear slightly fatter compared to 
 vertical lines and compared to previous versions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121026
   * Unsaved changes to document indicator invisible
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121814
   => New/In discussion
   
   * UX - Simplify Page Border Menu & Provide Basic Cover Page Templates
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121864
   => Accepted
   
   * Tabbed UI in Windows does not get theme color - remains white.
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121877
   => Dup

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 (+0) 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Thorsten Behrens]

Michael Meeks wrote:
> * Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
>+ next year hackfests coming up:
>+ FOSDEM in February - 2 days before the conference expected.
>
Apologies, there's an off-by-one error:

tentative FOSDEM schedule is as follows:

Wednesday, January 30
 * Hackfest at betacowork

Thursday, January 31
 * Hackfest at betacowork
 * 1300-1800 board + ED meeting at betacowork

Friday, February 1
 * all day board + ED + MC + staff at betacowork

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Miklos, Stephan, Michael S, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael M, Drew, Christian, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ add commit access & welcome Mert Tumer (Michael M)
+ mend Android tinderbox (Christian)
  [ has build failures, but is back ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ set it up on the build-bot that was Kendy’s no results yet ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, uneventful – collecting builds to up-load 
+ 6.2 Beta 2 slot (?)
  + any requests for this – else skip it.
  + are daily builds sufficient for Notebookbar testing ?
  + Andreas K proposed to have a B2 (Xisco)
 + Notebookbar enabled in B1 already
 + not particularly worried about having one (Heiko)
  => no beta 2 planned.
 + can request next monday if big changes.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/63883/
+ terminology in discussion, review pending
+ agreement to have this – 90 days alternation with get-involved.
+ how do we label / approach the people.
+ an option to turn it off ? (Michael W)
   + yes → lots of ways to do that (Heiko)
   + prefer to have this as a compile time option (Michael M)
=> merge it.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ hoping to finish a few 10’s of patches to get interactive editing
  bits into a state where basic things work.
+ will be some more complex bits to do after that.
+ autoformat pieces – makes splitting paragraphs harder.
 + showstopper for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ Kshitij’s patch was reverted – seems like a show-stopper.
+ a problem with toolbars that pop-up or not
+ marketing people are doing work, and disappointment is great.
+ MikeK may be looking in his spare time (Caolan)
   + patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/64256/
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online

* Base / Firebird migration assistant (Xisco)
+ was experimental in 6.1 – now it’s on in 6.2
+ should it be on by default ?
+ also triggers the conversion dialog when a macro is run (Christian)
+ this breaks a number of external projects:
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121599 
+ rather important (Drew)
+ why don’t we make it experimental still in 6.2 ? (Miklos)
+ so more time to fix in master.
+ not convinced it is ready without a code update (Drew)
+ will we have it in another six months if experimental again ? (Xisco)
+ if not on in master – no test coverage, so good to have on (Thorsten)
+ don’t think it’s a bad thing on master (Drew) 
   + if the issue on when it prompts to start the conversion
 then could have it on in 6.2
   + waiting for someone to take an interest here (Michael M)
=> fwd port patch so it’s experimental again in 6.2 (Xisco)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + added new (extended) XML tags for simpler markup (ohallot)
 + Added code highlight for BASIC code (ohallot)
+ Helpcontents
 + New pages for Basic and VBA (A. Romedenne)
 + Fixes in help pages (A Gelmini, ohallot, fitoshido)
 + Help entry pages on using Python scripts (ohallot)
+ Guides
 + Team delivering first updates on Calc book
 + discussing on how to bypass bugs.
+ updated wiki pages on how to write help pages.
 + also documenting new XML extensions.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 284(284) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-2) 32(-3) 56(-1)  99(-1) 
 commented 34(-41)   161(-42)   387(-22)   1438(-28)
   removed  5(4)   8(5)   8(5)   14(5)  
  resolved  0(-4)  8(-2) 22(-3) 116(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 80 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 52 changes in 1 month, and 283 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 38 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 15 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Eike, Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Xisco, Michael M,
  Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ all well.  
+ 6.2 Beta 1
  + cherry-pick from master to 6.2 branch
  + feature frozen, but no reviews needed yet for 6-2
  + optional beta 1st week in Dec. 
  + otherwise RC1 is due Dec 17th.
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ not decided yet if we go with it.
+ can we get the strings in ? (Michael M)
   + still a couple of weeks here.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
+ 6.1.4 RC1 next week 48, Nov 26
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online
+ 6.2 branch & Beta1 source release  

* Printing dialog (Kompi - not here)
+ status update on:
  https://gist.github.com/danielfaleiro/992aa39557f8475b8f4daa3af4bb3052
+ anything actionable here ? (Thorsten)
   + dislike the "hassle things into the project" approach (Michael)
+ expect to get plenty of bugs when it hits real users (Thorsten)
   + need someone to step up to own / fix issues.
   + easy part is the merge conflicts.
+ similar story with GSOC side-bar (Xisco)
   + completely understand not merging it.
+ any volunteers to shared fixing ? (Thorsten)
   + can do a fix or two, but not all of it myself.
   + may have a look (Michael W)
=> looking forward to Daniel continuing to finish this & merge it.

* CentOS base-line for KDE bits ? (Christian)
+ had already bumped it for 6.2 – for gtk3 / KDE5
+ 64bit Linux build on CentOS7
+ 32bit Linux still on CentOS6
   + platform is missing these newer pieces.
   + not got the new gtk/kde support but has new compiler.

* Compiler baselines (Stephan)
+ Plan at 
 
“Re: Compiler baselines”:
+ If nobody objects, we'd update the build baselines on master
  (towards LO 6.3) as follows (cf README.md):
+ Windows: from Visual Studio 2017 to Visual Studio 2017 version 15.7
+ macOS: from Xcode 8 to Xcode 9.3
   + expect tinderbox / builders are at 9.3 anyway. 
+ Linux GCC: from GCC 4.8.1 to GCC 7
+ Linux Clang: from Clang to Clang 5.0.2
+ Clang compiler plugins: from Clang 3.8 to Clang 5.0.2
+ flex: from 2.5.35 to 2.6.0
+ gperf: from 3.0.0 to 3.1
 + any objections ? otherwise impl. thus.
 + Android ? (Michael)
+ tinderbox is dead too …
+ using the NDK-16 (Christian)
   + C++ run-time deprecated,
 and bump to NDK18 to llvm C++ runtime
 where exception handling is broken.  
AI: + mend tinderbox (Christian)
 + MacOS / toolchain ? (Thorten)
+ if dropping unmaintained stuff - no problem.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
  + fixes and enhancements in Index (buovjaga)
 + Helpcontents
  + Typos (SophiaS)
  + Pages updates (S. Horacek, M. Kaganski)
 + Guides,
  + many discussions on templates 
  + procedures for guides updates
 + plenty of activity.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 298(298) - needsUXEval
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(-5)35(0) 57(3)  100(4)  
 commented 75(8)203(0)409(18)1466(-9) 
   removed  1(-1) 3(1)  3(1)9(1)  
  resolved  4(2) 10(-2)25(-1) 121(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 118 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 115 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 52 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 31 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 29 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 15 changes in 1 month, and 55 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 12 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 11 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
   New needsUXEval between Nov/16-22th 

 * Standard (Viewing Mode) toolbar does not have the close icon
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121490
   => Assigned/Fixed
 * Add button in tabbed mode
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

es in 1 month, and 104 patches in 1 year
  Aleksei Nikiforov made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
  Marco A.G.Pinto made 3 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
  Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 
year
+ top 10 reviewers:
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 161 review comments in 1 month, and 1005 
in 1 year
  Behrens, Thorsten made 149 review comments in 1 month, and 1526 in 1 
year
  Vajna, Miklos made 129 review comments in 1 month, and 1277 in 1 year
  Grandin, Noel made 116 review comments in 1 month, and 1294 in 1 year
  McNamara, Caolán made 116 review comments in 1 month, and 995 in 1 
year
  Michael Stahl made 115 review comments in 1 month, and 666 in 1 year
  Olivier Hallot made 101 review comments in 1 month, and 537 in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 97 review comments in 1 month, and 465 in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 91 review comments in 1 month, and 1008 in 1 year
  Mohrhard, Markus made 84 review comments in 1 month, and 701 in 1 year
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, 
since last report:
  Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty hamis...@live.co.uk 

* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)

* Jenkins / CI update (Christian)
from:Thu Nov  8 14:45:35 2018
master linux rel  jobs: 195 ok: 194 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
master linux dbg  jobs: 176 ok: 170 ko:   6 fail ratio:  3.41 % break:   6 
broken duration: 2.21%
master mac reljobs: 162 ok: 156 ko:   6 fail ratio:  3.70 % break:   1 
broken duration: 1.55%
master mac dbgjobs: 164 ok: 162 ko:   2 fail ratio:  1.22 % break:   2 
broken duration: 0.29%
master win reljobs: 111 ok:  66 ko:  45 fail ratio: 40.54 % break:  27 
broken duration:49.30%
master win dbgjobs: 111 ok:  78 ko:  33 fail ratio: 29.73 % break:  25 
broken duration:28.35%
master win64 dbg  jobs: 108 ok:  84 ko:  24 fail ratio: 22.22 % break:  20 
broken duration:18.19%
lo-5.3 macjobs:   0 ok:   0 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
lo-5.4 macjobs:   0 ok:   0 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
master gerrit lin jobs: 416 ok: 334 ko:  20 fail ratio:  4.81% time for ok: 
mean:  20 median:  19
master gerrit plg jobs: 436 ok: 302 ko:  74 fail ratio: 16.97% time for ok: 
mean:  34 median:  30
master gerrit win jobs: 489 ok: 290 ko:  79 fail ratio: 16.16% time for ok: 
mean:  73 median:  75
master gerrit mac jobs: 428 ok: 318 ko:  12 fail ratio:  2.80% time for ok: 
mean:  59 median:  30
master gerrit all jobs: 419 ok: 253 ko: 126 fail ratio: 30.07% time for ok: 
mean: 116 median:  89
   + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_181115.html 
   + cygwin/forking issues on win – maybe fixed by updating cygwin
  + now current version has no bug with temp-files.
   + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days:
  3 CppunitTest_vcl_complextext
  3 PythonTest_solenv_python
  4 UITest_chapterNumbering
  7 UITest_table
  7 UITest_writer_tests2
 13 CppunitTest_vcl_pdfexport 

* l10n (Sophie)
   + plural forms in Pootle question resolved ?
 + working together with Christian on this
 + some language teams confused with num of plurals (Christian)
 + problem with Greek lang proj. now solved.
 + added a patch to gerrit to pocheck to not strip out headers
 + no feedback on whether >2 forms correctly applied.
 + sometimes not reliable on the web (Sophie)
 + hard without team reviewing of correctness.
   + Armenian team joined localization project

* Stanford C++ lecture discussions (Xisco)
   + follow-up: 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Libreoffice-qa-minutes-of-ESC-call-td4251355.html
   + Timing proposal
 + Thursdays at 8 pm CET
 + Saturdays at 10 am CET
 + https://doodle.com/poll/gc9wag8xfp7cqipb
   + have students, but would like core developers to help out.
   + not looking for a commitment to attend, but for best times
   + and not expecting people who show up to be there every time.
   + Bjoern can make those times.

* Update on tenders ? (Xisco)
   + lots going on (Thorsten)
  + budget process dragged on
  + hoped to have this ready for the next year
   + if you have a great idea – always open for requests (Michael, Thorsten)
  + write it up nicely etc.

* its hard to do documentation (Olivier)
   + relieved to see Kohei tweeting about this. 

* QA update (Xisco)
+ Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief

+ UNCONFIRMED: 508 (-29)
+ enhancements: 56  (-8)
+ needsUXEval: 1 (+0)
+ haveBackTrace: 5 (-1)
+ needsDevAdvice: 22 (+0)

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Caolan, Kendy, Olivier, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Stephan,
  Michael W, Michael M  

* Completed Action Items:
+ characterize perf. Impact of changing icon scaling algorithm (jmux)
[ tweaked the makefiles, takes a while to load PNG to SVG
  is cached, takes a few seconds – happens (Heiko)
 + PNGs were in ZIP files and sorted to improve I/O ? (Michael) ]
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ fixed in 6.1.3 – missing up-loads (Markus) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0.7.3 and 6.1.3.2 released this week.
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze next week
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ No news
+ Andres K is up-loading new icons for new help.
+ Help contents
+ Typos and fixes (SophiaS, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Reformulating workflow with NextCloud + LooL
+ Working and templates for Calc Guide
+ support for newcomers.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-9) 23(-5) 40(-7)  82(-14)
 commented 28(-63)   166(-35)   327(-41)   1424(-77)
   removed  0(-1)  0(-1)  0(-1)   5(-1) 
  resolved  4(0)  12(0)  27(0)  126(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 132 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 485 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 20 changes in 1 month, and 275 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 16 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 12 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
   + New tickets with flag needsUXEval between Nov/01-08

 + Change name (description) of 4th argument to VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP to
   "Sorted range lookup"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121090
 ++ TRACK CHANGES: linked files changes are not shown in the master document
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121166
 + Western acronyms not correctly formatted in RTL context
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121182
   => WFM
 + Single page not centered when in multiple-page view
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95076
 + In CALC, the Data autofilter GUI does not have consistent controls
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76882
   => WFM
 + [Feature request] Search on Options
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121160
   => DUP
 ++ LO Impress: Option Double Underline is disabled
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121233
 + LO Calc -> Format -> Text -> there is no checkbox for option Double
   Underline
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121239
 + personas different header/fooder files for different LibO apps
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121174

   + Bring Notebookbar out of experimental state for 6.2 (Heiiko)
  + META ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062
(missing customizable, extensions cannot register icons, 
 chart and other sections missing, resize issues, a11y, macOS glitches)
  + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62959/
  + Agreement from marketing & QA
  + hope to attract more development when it is non-experimental
  + would like to see it by default (Xisco)
  + when people report issues – if no-one fixes them then what ?
  + should ensure we have a means of improving it quickly.
  + don’t see ~any development here – just minor changes.
  + Jim is looking at the a11y issues (Heiko)
  => put this option on for 6.2 betas / Rcs for now & re-visit later

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7 (+2) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
+ found webdav problem and fixed it
+ ?? 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ ?? Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Stephan, Caolan, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Eike, Andras,
  Thorsten, Michael

* Completed Action Items:
+ give Rizal Muttaqin commit access & welcome (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.1.3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

 * Backport tdf#119020 "Icons are corrupted on Windows when scaling UI / OpenGL"
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62686/
+ 6.0 has been tagged so this patch comes to late
+ welcome for 6.1 as late feature

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Corner cases of handling legacy PNG images, potential easy hack
   + will split the bug into multiple smaller bugs   
+ Help contents
   + updated pages in Base reports (olivier)
   + Fix typos, bugs (Fitoshido, olivier)
   + Add warning for experimental features (buovjaga)
+ Calc guide
   + Discussions WRT handling massive amount of styles in docs, e.g. 
updating the calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 297(297) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 14(3) 28(3) 47(-1)  96(-7) 
 commented 91(46)   201(43)   368(5) 1501(-33)
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  1(1)6(0)  
  resolved  4(2) 12(4) 27(-3) 128(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 122 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 96 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 282 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 11 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
New needsUXEval between Oct/26-31

 * Access to the language property at paragraph settings
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120932

 * Make font size field in styles dialogs toggleable between percentage and pt
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121011

 * Appearing of GtkSeparator on Notebookbars is different to standard rulers
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121050

 * Toolbar: Remove oleobjectbar.xml and use frameobjectbar.xml
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120985


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ HsqlBinaryImportText::testBinaryImport failure
+ didn’t get a build
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 issues, 1 serious, lots of timeout issues
+ did something get slower on our or their side ?
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
   + connecting to other related developers.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  Still struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
   + but got a reply
+ PVS Studio
 + mikekaganski fixing lots of the remaining minor nits.
 + can we get them to run it again at some stage ? ...

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 421 (last 7 days) (-20)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1076 (last 7 days) (-241)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-1114)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1034 (last 7 days) (-192)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4167 (last 7 days) (+144)

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + Munich was nice, details & achievements on the wiki:   
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Muenchen2018
   + next year hackfests coming up:
+ FOSDEM in February
+ Tirana perhaps in March/April
+ Paris in summer
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Christian, Michael W, Michael M, Eike, Heiko
  Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable editing for the android viewer except in alpha programme 
(Christian)
  [ submitted to gerrit – needs review & releasing ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc2 status
  + the last of the 6.0 line – built & on mirrors
  + will be an rc3 for this thanks to Xisco.
+ 6.1.3 RC2
  + this week – as scheduled.
+ 6.2 Alpha 1 status
  + tagged and released last week
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
  + disable exceptions as a workaround; not aborting – affects Intel only.
  + new app-store submissions require 64bit Intel versions
  + new ARM ones will require llvm run-time.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help: 
+ Published proposal for XHP extensions
  + Some feedback (N. Grandin, D. Barton)
+ Help Contents
+ Typo fixing
+ Guides
+ Support for Calc Guide – one of the most demanded guides
+ General
+ Wiki pages updates on documentation, staffing.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 305(305) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(1)  25(-2)48(3)  103(3)  
 commented 45(-12)   158(-4)   363(-21)   1534(-32)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)6(1)  
  resolved  2(0)   8(-1)30(0)  129(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 110 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 106 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 45 changes in 1 month, and 544 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 34 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 287 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 14 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ More tickets on harmonization of context menus and toolbar
  (mostly rearrangement)
 + to make appear the same in all modules.
+ Some requests to improve FF persona
  + more tickets about it, and interest.
  + show thumbnail of downloaded firefox bits etc.
+ Undo and redo enhancement
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120809
+ Table protected cells: Add possibility to disable warning message
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120726

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (-1) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
+ relatively stable
+ bisected a crash for Laszlo 
+ 8 (-1) coverity issues
+ down a bit  
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ finding more things this week.
+ 12 issues, 2 serious
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ got one cleared a couple of weeks ago
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
+ PVS Studio
+ got all of their warnings from them in a dump
+ thanks to all who have helped: Caolan, MikeK, Xisco, Michael S
+ a large amount of false positives
   + confusion around operator overloads pwrt. >>= etc.
+ tone was somewhat unhelpful
+ cherry-picked the 1 correct finding of 50 false positives
+ then again – still bugs we can fix; nothing frightening though.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 441 (last 7 days) (-69)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1317 (last 7 days) (-82)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1241 (last 7 days) (-107)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1226 (last 7 days) (-90)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4023 (last 7 days) (+655)
+ missing symbols – all mergelo.dll with no traces.
+ some Windows 10 issues related to an upgrade
  higher crashes this week for the same builds / something new

* DINAcon - Bern / 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 13/09/2018 16:35, Michael Meeks wrote:

* IRC channel (cloph)
+ Spam wave seems over/in control by freenode – keep +r?
+ should we keep restriction to only registered nicks.
+ up to moderators – why not just lift it for dev channel (Thorsten)


Had to enable it again now (after cloph had disabled it last night), as 
spammers started to appear again.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Caolan, Michael W, Miklos, Michael M, Olivier, Kendy, Stephan,
  Heiko, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss Google Code-in at staff meeting (Sophie, Heiko, Xisco)
[ deadline for orgs to be registered on Monday (Xisco)
 + still discussing, but require 150-500 tasks …
 + triage a bug ? (Michael) ]
+ filter out ‘Pootle bot’ and ‘*DUMMY*’ from top reviewers (Xisco)
[ done & updated minutes ]
+ mail reporters directly to ask for help re: (Xisco)
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119250
[ mailed 4, answers from 2 – which Windows version & try master …
  none of them tried master yet ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ released today.
+ 6.1.2 RC1 (one release cycle)
+ due next week.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ did work without debug – in release mode.
+ Online
+ 6.1.1 - up-loaded

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix more bookmark issues (ohallot)
+ replaced PNG icons with SVG in XSLT. (ohallot)
   + SVG Colibre now in Help packages (ohallot)
   [q] Should we change in Help source file instead?
   + will have to review icons for a11y anyway
   + stick with it in the transformation for now ? (Kendy)
   + can’t be automated; need to do it icon-by-icon
 the alt=”” tag needs re-writing (Olivier)
   + alt=”” should have a more meaningful icon description
   + ideal for easy hacks (Michael)
   + best not to focus Olivier on it (Kendy)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes and additions (S. Horacek, Fitoshido, M. Kaganski, A. Gelmini)
+ mute L10n on many symbol table entries (ohallot, fitoshido)
+ Guides
+ finished “Getting Started LibreOffice 6.0”
+ working on announcement, blogpost, web pages for download

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 24(3) 37(1)   98(-1) 
 commented 59(7)165(24)   370(7) 1611(-39)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  1(0)8(-1) 
  resolved  3(1)  8(-1)31(0)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 135 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 616 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 323 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 228 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 255 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 16 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 14 changes in 1 month, and 138 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 8 changes in 1 month, and 86 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 6 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Harald Koester made 6 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  New tickets since Sep/06 (besides about context menu)
   * UI: "Format" button in outline/chapter numbering dialog not 
self-explanatory
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108890
 + rename button

   * Drawing styles at the sidebar lack of background and border color
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119729
 + easyHack, needsDevEval

   * CTRL+ALT+E isn't opening the extension dialog but inserts a "é"
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119676
 + bug?, see also 118269 
 + why do we have a hot-key for that dialog ? (Michael) 
+ not only this – other shortcuts with ctrl-alt (Heiko)
   + can we bisect it, find & prioritize it ? (Michael)

   * Direct formatting control text Highlighting mode  not toggling off
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119753
 + controversial; discussion postponed

   * Discussion about persona ongoing
 + https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg08820.html
 + patch for now submitted by mkara 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/60432/
 + do we announce it is deprecated ? Find a better sol’n ?
 + in the past – Mozilla planned a more stable API (Kendy)
+ didn’t happen – some GSOC student worked on that.
+ unclear if it happened.
 + most ideal to proxy their content (Michael)

   * Image caption, inconsistency: caption for images is 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Olivier, Miklos, Jan-Marek, Caolan, Xisco, Sophie,
  Christian, Michael M, Michael W, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ tinderboxes setup with new dev-tools (Christian)
[ done – both 32 and 64bit based on CentOS6 – with official tools
  and 32bit has COPR, also new autotools from PDL repos.
  now up to gcc-7.3.1. 
  mostly brings us into C++ 2017 (Stephan)
  + found guarenteed copy ellision is not there yet on.
  conference decision / discussion on CentOS7 ? (Thorsten)
  + love to discuss it at the conference.
  + having native KDE5 there would be great. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ hoping to tag later today.
+ still two waiting in the 6.1.1 queue
+ time until 9pm German time.
+ 6.1.2 shortened cycle to just one RC
+ Remotes
+
+ Android viewer
+ any keyboard input crashes it
+ no obvious change in Android bits
+ debugger not working either
+ perhaps bisecting ...
+ might be nice to have an APK bibisect (Michael)
+ Online
+ needs a 6.1.1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Patches for improving icons visualization
 + Change icons from PNG to SVG for better resolution
+ Help contents
 + refactor pages on using strings vs numbers
+ Help editor
 + patches for autocompletion (Mike Saunders)
 + wiki pages on Help editing and XML
+ Guides
 + 2 chapters left to handover.
+ preliminary look at a11y linting of web-help.
 + needs xhp updates too.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3) 21(1)  36(2)   99(2)  
 commented 52(-14)   141(-10)   363(6) 1650(-33)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  2(-1)  9(-4) 31(1)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 120 changes in 1 month, and 162 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 53 changes in 1 month, and 603 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 317 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 19 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 12 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 9 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 7 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  + menu reorganization: depth of rational ...
+ comments in 
+ reverted & Andreas started again from scratch
+ ideal to have harmonization over modules.
+ priority is that it is familiar (Michael)
+ important to make things more usable (Thorsten)
   + but familiarity of hot-key sequences is really important.
+ are there changes at all ? (Heiko)
   + would ideally like a choice of UI pieces.

New needsUXEval from Aug/30-Sep/05

 * No keyboard shortcuts for next/previous heading
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119665

 * There isn't tool Gradient from toolbar Transformations on Sidebar
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119689

 * Document comparison option not to take into account style changes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119605

 * Implement "Most recent fields inserted"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119594

For discussion

 * Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than tdf#114731)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118881
   + remove the feature or make it an extension
   + replace by (hard-coded?) color schemes (night mode alike)
   + can we ship a few by default (Michael)
  + allow to modify it later by extension (Heiko)
 + don’t like to move things to an extension (Stephan)
 + data-content has to be incorporated
 + its an interface; hard to spot and break etc.
 + careful with these.
  + reasonably well specified XML + imgs (Michael)
 + not against it – but want it done well (Stephan)
 + extensions not a panacea etc.
  + current state – parse HTML from Mozilla manually 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call 2018-08-30

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Eike, Xisco, Michael S, Miklos, Caolan, Olivier,
  Christian, Sophie, Heiko, Jan-Marek, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ check out the CentOS builds tools for 32bit & update baseline (Christian)
  [ devtools-7 for centos6 and centos7 is an option → trying this first
32bit centos7 is not officual, though.
Centos7 comes with gcc-4.8 by default ]
+ add 6.2 release plan to the overview in the wiki (Christian)
[ done ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ should be possible to add raw data to filter command (Christian) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC1 / RC2 status
  + RC1 tagged, uploaded
  + RC2 next week
+ 6.1.2 shortened cycle to just one RC, since otherwise 6.1.1 would overlap
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds done, plan to do some testing
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ bug fix in XSLT + tweaks in CSS (ohallot, fitoshido)
+ Housekeeping dead code (A. Timar)
+ Online Help Editor
+ Word completion for CodeMission (M. Saunders)
+ Help content
+ refactor/rewriting on string parsing in Calc (ohallot)
+ refactor page on empty cells (ohallot)
+ New page on Impress remote dialog (ohallot)
+ New pages for New Help
+ Collateral file for Dutch (L. Moons)
+ Several fixes, typos (A. Gelmini, S. Horacek, M. Kaganski)
+ Wiki pages
+ Compile pages on New Help development/contents addition (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled


* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 294(294) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added 11(5) 20(3) 34(4)   97(3)
 commented 66(35)   151(-2)   357(47)1683(17)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  1(0)9(0)
  resolved  3(2) 13(-2)30(3)  145(-2)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 100 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 44 changes in 1 month, and 608 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 30 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 84 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 225 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 
year
  Kaganski, Mike made 12 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 12 changes in 1 month, and 102 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
 * Context menus harmonization
   * tdf#119432, tdf#119436, tdf#119506, tdf#119521, tdf#119526, tdf#119532, 
 tdf#119547, tdf#119580, tdf#119581
   + https://colibreoffice.wordpress.com/2018/08/29/context-menubar/ (Andreas 
Kainz)
   + in discussion, comments welcome

  + Calc menu reorganization: some menu items are gone
+ Eike commented on 


* Crash Testing
+ 1(+1) import failure, 2(+2) export failures
  + not reproducible, though
+ 5 coverity issues
  + next round will be lower
+ Google / ossfuzz: down for a while, build fixed again
  - 5 issues, 1 serious
  - build fixed now again
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  - 38 issues, 5 unfixed, all writer layout
  - complicated, no progress this week
- perhaps will just throw an exception for the corner-case...

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 459 (last 7 days) (+25)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 776 731 (last 7 days) (+45)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1018 (last 7 days) (-24)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 540 (last 7 days) (+106)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 2177 1626 (last 7 days) (+551)
 + top 1 - new crash in 6.1.0.3 in GL – looks like locking
   + epoxy upgrade on master didn’t fix tdf#119028
   + probably not worth backporting to 6.1
   + aware of no reproducer steps at the moment
 + top 3 – regression since 6.1.

* Hackfests & Events
   + nextCloud conference
   + FrOScon in Bonn: Aug 25
  + Bubli, Thorsten, Cloph, Rene
  + was pretty nice, 2 talks, 7-8 contributors there
   + Munich (Thorsten)
  + Oct 26-28th, CIB main office
  + an Open Gov’t meeting from the City of Munich
  + good to have a hack-fest back-to-back there.
   + Conference – September 26 - 28
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Stephan, Olivier, Michael S, Michael M, Sophie, Xisco,
  Christian, JMux

* Completed Action Items:
+ get download numbers for 32bit Linux (Christian)
https://downloadcounter.libreoffice.org/chart/install_by_os 
[ Windows 4:1 for 64:32 bit
  Linux 3:1 for 64:32 bit or so
  5k-7k 32bit downloads per week on Linux ]
+ build stats on Wed. vs. Thur moving meetings (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ no info after the fact for which branch a commit was done.
  Unclear which way – add to data gathering daemon or add
  additional data later.
+ Useful to filter early (Michael)
+ should be possible to add raw data to filter command (Christian)
   bool for master or not ]
+ add 6.2 release plan to the overview in the wiki (Christian)
[ pending, along with 6.1 update ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC1 update
+ still not tagged; fixed for numbertext data in gerrit 
+ now ready to do a new tag, need to shift release of RC2 date.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help
 + fixes in screenshot handling in XLST (ohallot)
 + several tweaks in JS and HTML (kendy)
 + fixes in bookmarks
+ Helpcontent
 + Help pages for image compression w. screenshots (ohallot)
 + fixes in help contents (M. Kagansky, ohallot, S. Shröder, S. 
Horacek) 
+ Guides
 + More chapters reviewed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 292(292) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)17(2)  30(4)   94(3)  
 commented 31(-7)   153(-13)   310(2) 1666(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)15(0)  27(-1) 147(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 48 changes in 1 month, and 608 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 40 changes in 1 month, and 253 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 26 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 24 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 24 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 10 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
New tickets Aug/17-22

  + 117972 Empty string (solved)
  + 119360 Inconsistent labels protect/protected in Insert/Edit
  + some tickets on harmonization of context menu (in review)

  + 79022 Italic weight for Source Sans Pro available 
(https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-serif-pro/issues/2#issuecomment-413925880
 )

Changes done

 + Writer templates are generated during build now (Laurent BP)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/58787/
+ https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extras/README 
+ a first step for template localisation ?

 + Menu reorganization in Calc (Andreas K)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/56912/
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.2#Calc
+ have release notes that show what is new.
+ to check – there is significant benefit
  to outweigh muscle-memory pain ? (Michael)
+ no-one complained beforehand (Heiko)
+ idea of harmonization of menus accepted.
+ change is carefully done.

* Crash Reporting (missing Caolan)
+ 0(-2) import failure, 0(-5) export failures
+ ??? 0 coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: down for a while, build fixed again
  - ?? 15 issues, 5 series
  - build fixed now again
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  - ?? 38 issues, 5 unfixed, all writer layout
  - complicated, slow progress
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 434 (last 7 days) (+22)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 731 (last 7 days) (+94)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1042 (last 7 days) (+73)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 434 (last 7 days) (+100)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1626 (last 7 days) (+481)
 + top new crash in 6.1.0.3 in GL – looks like locking

* GSoC schedule (Heiko)
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2018-08-16

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Eike, Heiko, Caolan, Cloph, 
Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ get download numbers for 32bit Linux (Christian)
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.7 - in October
+ we might consider 6.0.8 too, between the 6.0.7 and 6.2.0 (?)
+ 6.1.1 RC1 update
+ not releasesed yet, some stuff still needed to sort out
+ numbertext data missing, waiting to be patched
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ not updated yet in the end
+ Online

+ release plan for 6.2 missing at the wiki (Heiko)
+ actually only missing in the overview, but otherwise it is there 
(Cloph)
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.2  
AI: + add it to the overview (Cloph)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+New Help
+ Refactoring HTML and JS of help pages (Kendy)
+ housekeeping (ohallot, kendy)
+ bookmarks patches committed to 6.1 branch (cloph)
+ Help
+ Fix typos (A Gelmini, fitoshido)
+ Guides:
+ More chapters reviewed for Getting Started
+ Book assembly on the way.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 288(288) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(4) 15(5) 26(8)   91(5)  
 commented 38(6)166(21)   308(29)1714(16) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  2(-2)15(-1)28(2)  152(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 57 changes in 1 month, and 621 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 26 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  Timur made 16 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 15 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 94 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 11 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year

New needsUXEval from Aug/07-Aug/16:
 
 * "Application Colors" should be transferred from Options (how it works) to 
Customize (how it looks) 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119277 

 * Wrong paper size B5, instead of A4 
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116386 
+ default to "Fit to printable page"? and c12 

 * Improve anchor of images 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117329 
   + WFM 

 * Right-click section title to expand this section and collapse all other 
sections 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119275 
   + WFM 

 * UI Consistency (of insert rows) 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119293 
   + terminology above/below vs. before/after 

  + Add color customization for sheet tabs and title in Calc 
* https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88840 
* use system color for selected objects 
   + dup/rep of https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104564 

 * Feature request: mark comments as resolved 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119228 

 * Associate a character style to cross-reference fields 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119048 
   + use case not perfectly clear to me 

 * The Track changes toolbar and the Table toolbar appear at the same place 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119167 

 * LibreOffice hangs reopening the "Select Firefox Theme" for a second time 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119127 
   + dup of "Personas not found again"   
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_activity.cgi?id=118881 

 * Replace Quickstarter by taking advantage of the Windows native "always 
running" startup method 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116694 
   + needsDevAdvice 

 * Discussion about gen plugin on the dev ML 
   + seems to be missing icons but all remaining should have been moved from 
Galaxy to Tango
   + icon theme issue
   + Heiko looking into this 

 * Discussion to change the templates site layout on the design ML 
   + Andreas M. created a playground though no clear plan yet 


* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 1 export failures
+ much improved, re-running to see if it is really so
+ 0 coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: down for a while, build fixed again
  - 15 issues, 5 series
  - build fixed 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2018-08-08

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+  Heiko, Cloph, Olivier, Xisco, Michael W., Stephan, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ get download numbers for 32bit Linux (Christian)
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.7 - in October
+ we might consider 6.0.8 too, between the 6.0.7 and 6.2.0 (?)
+ 6.1.0 RC3 update
+ created as final today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ building a new release – to be released on weekend (Christian) 
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Online New features video updated to 6.1 (ohallot)
 + redirections and sitemaps for 6.1 (online) (ohallot)
 + some patches still in 6-1 branches to approve
 + do not affect the translations
+ Online help editor
 + Initial upload to git dev-tools (M. Saunders)
 + based on CodeMirror (M. Saunders)
 + Added ~20 XHP snippets for ease of content insert (ohallot)
 + for creating paragraphs including the unique ID etc.
 + very encouraging! (Kendy)
+ Help Content
 + Fix contents, typos (M. Kaganski, A. Gelmini, fitoshido)
+ Guides
 + writer Guide 6.0 released (Jean Weber)
 + Getting Started 6.0 still under review/assembling

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 280(280) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(3)  10(1) 18(0)   86(0)  
 commented 32(-17)   145(-3)   279(-3)1698(11) 
   removed  0(0)   0(-1) 1(0)9(-1) 
  resolved  4(-4) 16(3) 26(2)  154(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 53 changes in 1 month, and 650 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 22 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 21 changes in 1 month, and 192 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 20 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 16 changes in 1 month, and 60 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 12 changes in 1 month, and 23 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 10 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 
year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
+ 119088 - Calc should show overwrite warning on clipboard paste to cell 
with text
+ 119085 – Bundling a new Garamond font
+ 2.5M, by Google
+ 119065 – Last bullet of the bullet list is disappearing
+ 119063 - wontfix

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 9(+6) import failure, 11(+3) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 547 (last 7 days) (+27)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 758 (last 7 days) (+38)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1287 (last 7 days) (-113)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 307 (last 7 days) (+307)

* GSoC schedule (Heiko)
+ Coding: May 14 - August 6
+ Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 – 14
+ 1 URL that is not modifiable, with all the artifacts
+ push your student to do that!!!
+ Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
+ Results Announced: August 22
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2018

* Hackfests & Events
+ Akademy in Vienna Aug 11-17th
+ maybe Bubli… (Thorsten)
+ FrOScon in Bonn: Aug 25
+ Bubli, Thorsten, perhaps Cloph.
+ maybe Munich (Thorsten)
+ Conference – September
+ potentially one in Bern / Switzerland - October 19th.
+ working on a Munich event October 26-28th (Thorsten)
+ an Open Gov’t meeting from the City of Munich
+ good to have a hack-fest back-to-back there.
+ moving slowly here …

* mentoring/easyhack update
  committer...   1 week   1 month  3 months 12 months   
  open  109(1)   190(41)   190(40)  201(41) 
   reviews 1279(-374)   5185(-580)   10986(401)   24632(506)
merged  231(-197)   1237(-83) 3759(-28)   14253(12) 
 abandoned8(-2)   43(-9)   259(-2)  966(-4) 
   own commits  206(-162)   1073(-38) 3529(-76)   15485(181)
review commits   95(31)  322(12)   957(16) 3736(84) 
contributor...   1 week1 month3 months 12 months
  open  

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2018-08-02

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael S, Xisco, Kendy, Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Caolan, Cloph

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask RH internally wrt. 32bit Developer Toolset bits (Stephan)
  [ Luke responded with link to a copr - shouldn’t be a blocker ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ get download numbers for 32bit Linux (Christian)
  [ pending ]
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
  [ pending – bypassing gerrit not covered ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 status
+ released as final
+ 6.1.0 RC3 update
+ will be released this evening
+ some patches were pending, review appreciated!
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ some patches were submitted, but did not review yet (Cloph)
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Several updates in the implementation (bookmarking) (ohallot)
+ Would be nice to have them in 6-1 (no impact on strings)
+ Help content
+ more XHP tweaks from SophiaS
+ Updates in contents (M. Kaganski, G. Kelemen)
+ Online help editor
+ initial spin by Mike Saunders
   + using CodeMirror editor
   + some XHP snippets for easy editing (ohallot + M Saunders)
   + Upload to dev-tools/help3/ (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ writer Guide 6.0 published (J. Weber)
+ Download website updated accordingly (ohallot)
+ More work in Getting Started Guide (D. Barton, D. Jensen)
+ discussion on using LOOL for book editing (doc team)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 280(280) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4)  9(-7) 18(-6)  86(-6) 
 commented 49(-11)   148(-12)   282(-29)   1687(-8) 
   removed  0(0)   1(0)   1(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  8(6)  13(4)  24(5)  157(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 60 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 57 changes in 1 month, and 667 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 27 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 21 changes in 1 month, and 65 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 312 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 12 changes in 1 month, and 23 changes in 1 year
  Harald Koester made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  peter josvai made 9 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 7 changes in 1 month, and 43 changes in 1 
year
 + tdf#119055 “add export to uno commands”
 + new UNO command(s) to export a drawing to PNG, JPG, SVG requested
 + perhaps override the file after it was exported the first time

 + tdf#118979, tdf#118969, tdf#118980 “clear styles” (like direct 
formatting)
 + rejected because of side-effects (nested styles, direct formatting) 
   and less benefit
 + patch for lists submitted
 + decided to keep the status quo

 + tdf#118961 “customize the MENU (Form, Tables, and Styles)”
  + rejected (to change default menus such as removing Forms the user 
needs
to “hack” the xml file)

 + tdf#118993 “Calc: Old Insert Special Symbol”
  + similar to Writer, patch submitted
  + for 6.2

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 8(+5) import failures, 19(+11) export failures
+ fix for Calc submitted
+ coverity
+ 5 (+5, -7)
+ forcepoint round #9
+ 38 issues, 15 fixed
+ large amount this time...
+ oss-fuzz 9 (-1), 0 major, 10 minor
+ stable in general
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 520 (last 7 days) (-15)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 720 (last 7 days) (-131)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1400 (last 7 days) (+40)
+ we’ll see what the new release brings the next week...

* GSoC schedule (Heiko)
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2018

* Hackfests & Events
   + Akademy in Vienna Aug 11-17th
  + Thorsten?
   + FrOScon in Bonn: Aug 25
  + Bubli, Thorsten, perhaps Cloph.
   + Conference – September
   + potentially one in Bern / Switzerland - October 19th.
   + working on a Munich event October 26-28th (Thorsten)
  + an Open Gov’t meeting from the City of Munich
  + good to have a hack-fest back-to-back there.
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Sophie, Christian, Heiko, Xisco, Michael W, Stephan,
  Michael S, Michael M, Caolan, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ mail budget spreadsheet to the board (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 – rc2 this week
+ only 2 patches submitted earlier today -so prlly not tag it today
  + more like tomorrow evening to tag it.  
+ 6.1.0 RC3 update
+ next week – going as scheduled.  
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ need an rc3 – Timar back soon.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
+ missing icons fixed
+ more bookmarks fixing
+ some progress with Help editing online (M Saunders)
   + Added code snippets to editor CodeMirror (M Saunders)
+ People joining to improve new help
   + e.g. change PNG icons to SVG icons (tdf#117551)
   + needs a change in pootle too – to avoid re-translation
+ please help review 6.1.x help patches
 + Help contents
+ Some updates bits (g. Kelemen, ohallot, Caolan, Miklos, A. Gelmini)
 + Guides
+ New chapters ready (Chapter 5 – Calc)
+ Assembling book
 + did we solve the link.txt issue ? (Heiko)
+ yes – created an XSL transform that re-maps these (Olivier H)
+ shouldn’t need to re-do this
+ we can change icons inside XHP files and drop link.txt (ohallot)
+ eager to get rid of linkstxt (Heiko)
+ duplication is bad – don’t like that (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 288(288)  (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-10)16(-8)24(-6)  92(-5) 
 commented 60(12)160(20)   311(25)1695(-7) 
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   10(-1) 
  resolved  2(-2)  9(0) 19(-1) 155(-15)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 673 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 19 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 16 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  muso made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 12 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 11 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 
year

 + 118881 Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than 
tdf#114731)
   + 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/About-Persona-lightweight-themes-td4244320.html
   + https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/07/12/upcoming-changes-for-themes/
   + suspect that this has been blocked.  
   + are personas used at all ?
+ yes they are used (Heiko)
 + keep it & it should be usable.
   + depending on someone else’s service is not great (Michael)
+ would love to have a few pre-canned personas shipped
+ and allow new ones in extensions or somesuch.

 + 118854 Style not Visible in List of Styles if Font is White
   and Background is not White
   + previous decision is WYSIWYG – will discuss it again etc.

 + design request for a banner for 6.1 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Banner-for-AMA-and-6-1-release-tc4244462.html
   + needed for the 6.1 release. 

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 17(-3) import failures, 114(+110) export failures
+ exploded – but have fixed the ~110 excel export failures
 + nothing thread related there.
+ coverity
+ 0 (+0, -17)
+ down to zero for 1st time in 12 months. 
+ forcepoint round #8
+ smaller set of issues here – only 7
+ now all fixed, 0 outstanding.
+ oss-fuzz 10 (-3), 0 major, 10 minor
+ 3 fixed there, nothing major outstanding. 
   + lots of OOM stuff here – but not real
 + can’t release memory from excessive string concats
 + great way to find perf. issues here ...
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 535 (last 7 days) (+1)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 851 (last 7 days) (-116)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1360 (last 7 days) (+68)

+ Fix for top / 4th  cherry-picked to 6-0-6
 + Thanks to Markus Mohrhard
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael W, Sophie, Olivier, Michael M, Xisco,
  Miklos, Eike, Thorsten, Cloph, Heiko, Caolan

* Completed Action Items:
+ Submit Tirana / conference papers
 + https://libocon.org/2018/call-for-papers/ 
 + lots of last-minute submissions ... 
+ Windows tinderbox/build-bot owners to parallel install VS2017
 [ Jenkins slaves all updated & building (Christian)
   switch already enabled on master ]
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call
 [ hopefully getting there ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 – rc2 due next week
+ 6.1.0 RC2 – next week – July 17
+ delayed a little by Xisco’s revert.
+ plan to tag after the ESC call, later today.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + 3 calc docs - are they threading related or not ?
   + things can be improved, but looking promising.
   => done – disable after a few releases.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ new patches but no new version yet.   
+ Online
+ need an rc2 – Timar on vacation.
+ iOS – now has built-in l10n support in XCode on master for storyboards.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + included into the 6.1 release & packaged  
 + Fixing corner case of bookmark in help page (ohallot)
+ Help contents
 + Content removal from obsoleted feature (fitoshido)
 + Contents updated on signatures (Caolán)
 + Change in terminology for tree-files (ohallot)
+ Guides
 + Reviewing chapters for book assembly
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 291(291) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 15(12)24(14)30(13)  97(14) 
 commented 48(17)   140(50)   286(46)1702(46) 
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  1(1)   11(1)  
  resolved  4(3)  9(2) 20(3)  170(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Buovjaga made 58 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 38 changes in 1 month, and 268 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 36 changes in 1 month, and 713 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 317 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  OfficeUser made 18 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 94 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 11 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Harald Koester made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 8 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
+ just returned from vacation.
+ Some discussion on how close we want to be on Excel (tdf#117647)
+ make the top 10 elements – for conditional formatting.
+ is this a UI thing ? (Michael)
  + any file-format, functional difference seems gratuitous.
  + just UI (Heiko)

+ is the colibre icon-set finished ? (Olivier)
+ Andreas says – finished a month ago (Heiko)
+ request asking for screenshots noted.
+ help pages use icons (Olivier)
+ using Colibre as the icons.
+ do help pages use links.txt ? (Michael)
+ copy the full colibre inside the help package
+ when I did the analysis it was complete (Michael)
+ anything missing is prolly a S/W problem.
+ calm down the shuffling for now (Thorsten)
+ UI freeze reminder for 6-1 (Heiko)
+ everyone knows this – lets keep the freeze cf. July 8th.

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 20(-24) import failure, 4(+1) export failures 
+ found a few SVG crashers from new SVG bits.
+ crash since Noel’s work of std::unique_ptr of SvStream
 + before that - was a leak wrt. Embedded spreadsheets.
 + going to need a chunk of energy to fix. 
+ coverity
+ 17(+12, -6)
+ expect all to be fixed from this report.
+ next due-in during the day – should get back to pre-vacation 
+ forcepoint round #8
+ smaller set of issues here – only 7
+ only 3 / 4 outstanding. 
+ oss-fuzz (13 outstanding, 13 minor)
+ broke during Caolans’ vacation
+ reasonably small.
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 534 (last 7 days) (45)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 967 (last 7 days) (-160)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1232 (last 7 days) (+137)

 + 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Kaganski Mike]

+ top 5 reviewers:
  Pootle bot made 2988 review comments in 1 month, and 2988 in 1 year

But was it awarded a t-shirt or something? :-)

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Mike Kaganski
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Michael M, Olivier, Michael S, Kendy, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Jmux; https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117936 
(Xisco)
+ Fixed in 
+ fad862e290d727fc9fefe206f6e4b807482c4175
+ b22244a2eb8d558499d2ffdb2cca5ddb44f3
+ ca4e75d694a5fb41a1c800146319aa6ba34d8bab
+ Thanks to Jan-Marek   
+ Run meeting on TDF Jitsi http://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/esc 
(Christian)
+ Jitsi – URL not case sensitive luckily.

* Pending Action Items:
+ Submit Tirana / conference papers:
 + https://libocon.org/2018/call-for-papers/ 
 + extended deadline is July 15th – this Sunday [!]
+ Windows tinderbox/build-bot owners to parallel install VS2017
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call [!]
 + Cudos to Eike, Olivier, Bubli, Stephan, Michael W, Noel, Xisco, 
Miklos
 + hard stares at others … still – have some ranking
 + push out to next Thursday call (better attended)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ [ Christian sady missing … ]
+ 6.0.6 – rc1 due this week (Jul 10)
+ 6.1.0 RC2 – next week – July 17
+ now commits to 6-1 branch need review  
  + also string freeze
 + also includes html help switch for distro branches
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + *DONE*, just bugfixing
 + Eike: question to disable precautiously?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help in RC1
 + Windows installation bug found, bug fixed. (many thanks to mst)
 + enhancement in page UI CSS + JS (buovjaga, fitoshido)
 + interesting new features.
 + latest 6.1 snapshot uploaded for online help
+ Help contents
 + Corrections (fitoshido, ohallot)
 + also feedback from the translators
+ Guides,
 + assembling book with available revised chapters
+ hit some bugs with master documents
+ one already fixed thanks to mst
 + revisions stalled again

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2)10(3)  17(1)   83(3)  
 commented 31(10)   90(21)240(-18)   1656(-3) 
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   0(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  1(0) 7(1)  17(-4) 171(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 38 changes in 1 month, and 723 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 18 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 11 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 95 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 6 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year

+ personal note: on vacation for the next two weeks

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 44(-16) import failure, 3(+0) export failures 
+ new numbers from last friday
+ 3 export crashers
+ all writer failures.
+ 45 import crashers
+ 3 writer, rest spreadsheets.
+ expect all calc crashes fixed (Michael M)
+ crash testing script now running normally again (Michael S)
+ 1st thing did pull dev-tools repo from an invalid URL.
+ was in state of 2015 on this server.
+ new stuff broke things for a while then fixed it.
+ now working again.
+ validation now connected into here.
+ same custom schema as used in unit-tests …
+ quite a few issues reported.
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 489 (last 7 days) (0)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-327)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1095 (last 7 days) (+205)

 + Updater was enabled, looks better than for previous version
 + Top 2 and Top 4 crashes in 6.0.5.2 fixed for 6.0.6
* Budget ranking (Thorsten)
   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
   + please rank stuff … before next week – but ~no-one here ...

* GSoC schedule (Kendy)
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + please tell students to send a 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2017-07-05

[Thorsten Behrens]

* Present:
  + Thorsten, Miklos, Heiko, Michael W, Sophie, Cloph, Xisco, Stephan,
Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian) → in distro-config
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental (Tamas B)
+ provide distro name for MIMO branch (Jean-Sebastien)

* Pending Action Items:
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call [!]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.6 – rc1 due next week (Jul 10)
+ 6.1.0 RC1
+ tagged on Wednesday,
  builds are on pre-releases and now being synced to mirrors
+ 6.1.0 RC2 with libreoffice-6-1-0 branch week after the next
  marks hard code freeze  (Jul 17)
+ from now on, commits to 6-1 branch need one mandatory review
+ also string freeze
+ also includes html help switch for distro branches
+ ATTENTION for distro branch maintainers – there was a prob
  with gerrit, submodule changes might not have created
  the correct auto-commit on core
  + this was a problem since last weekend, fixed now
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + *DONE*, just bugfixing from now on
   + Eike: question to disable precautiously?
   + Miklos: if needed can be done at the last moment
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + merged and done, included in beta 2 → remove here
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   + done and working
   + small gbuild make pattern rule prob on Mac, fixed now
AI + Olivier will release-note it
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help
+ Testing in bug hunting session tomorrow (installs)
+ Small corrections in XSLT filter
+ tweaks in CSS by fitoshido – people start contributing
+ Help contents
+ cosmetic refactor by SophiaS
+ Contents for [NatNum12] by Lazlo Nemetz
+ Contents fixes (ohallot, fitoshido)
+ Guides
+ Assembling & revising GS 6.0
+ Extras
+ some tweaks in UI dialog after help review.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 281(281) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4) 7(-1) 16(-6)  80(-4) 
 commented 21(-17)   69(1) 258(-60)   1659(-30)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   0(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  1(-2) 6(0)  21(-3) 170(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 31 changes in 1 month, and 728 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 8 changes in 1 month, and 322 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 7 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 6 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 5 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year 
+ cont’d the discussion around CTL/CJK tdf#104318
  + Suggestion is to remove the binding to languages completely,
which has bearing on default style
  + rethink default styles completely
  + Franklin and Khaled are involved in the thinking

+ positive feedback tdf#118516
  “And, I should have added my personal thanks and on behalf of the
   whole user base (if I may be so bold) to the whole LO team for
   the incredible work being done.”
+ German magazine compared LibreOffice vs. Softmaker, highlighting the
  Notebookbar/Ribbon interface
  + 
https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2018-14-LibreOffice-6-0-gegen-SoftMaker-Office-2018-fuer-Linux-4084433.html
  + discussion the German ML pointing out a few badly investigated
aspects
+ personal note: Heiko on vacation for the next two weeks

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 60(-16) import failure, 3(+1) export failures
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)
+ ODF validation has landed, validation errors will now show up in
  crashtesting logs – fixing howto on the dev list

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ Update notification was enabled, incoming reports start to look
  better than for previous version

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 489 (last 7 days) (-26)

 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call

[Thorsten Behrens]

Stephan Bergmann wrote:
> * Jean-Sebastien:
> + Linagora branch for French ministry (mimo branch)
> + Tell us name of desired branch, will be added (Thorsten)
> + Sub-branches even? Probably not needed
> 
Done - also added Jean-Sebastien as committer, otherwise the whole
branch exercise would be moot. Jean-Sebastien, please use the normal
gerrit code review process for master still for the moment.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call

[Stephan Bergmann]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Eike, Thorsten, Heiko, Sophie, Jean-Sebastien, Michael W., 
Stephan,

  Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ Commit access for Martin and Ilhan (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:
+ enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian)
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental 
(Tamas B)

   [ ongoing ]
+ Budget ranking by next week (All)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2 status
+ released last week
+ update check enabled
+ 6.1.0 RC1
+ due next week
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Michael)
   +
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + merged and done, included in beta 2
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   +
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier missing)
+

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
    247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 288(288) (needsUXEval) needs to 
be evaluated

by the UXteam
    + Updates:
    BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added  5(0) 8(3)  22(1)   84(-3)
 commented 38(15)   68(20)    318(3) 1689(-5)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   0(-1)  10(0)
  resolved  3(2) 6(2)  24(0)  172(0)
    + top 10 contributors:
  Buovjaga made 28 changes in 1 month, and 177 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 26 changes in 1 month, and 733 changes in 
1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 
1 year

  Xisco Faulí made 11 changes in 1 month, and 319 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 10 changes in 1 month, and 240 changes 
in 1 year

  *UNKNOWN* made 6 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 5 changes in 1 month, and 263 changes in 1 year

+ nothing special at design/UX

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 76(+64) import failure, 2(-3) export failures
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2
  + 410 (last 7 days) (-32)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
  + 515 (last 7 days) (-13)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 701 (last 7 days) (-72)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
  + 1751 (last 7 days) (-300)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 316 (last 7 days) (-)
+ wait a little to see impact of new releas
* Budget ranking (Thorsten)
   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
   + please rank stuff … before next week.

* GSoC schedule (Heiko)
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + please tell students to send a weekly status update.
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 – 15
   + all the students passed the first evaluation
   + most mentors good or above.
   + one ambivalent evaluation, clearly communicated & accepted.
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 – 13
   + coming up soon (Thorsten)
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2018

* Hackfests & Events
   + Conference - September
  + call for papers for the LibreOffice Conference still ongoing! 
(Sophie)

 + deadline: mid-July
 + Request from QA: a talk about how to interpret a Callgrind 
trace.

+ Any volunteer?
+ AI: send in proposals, everyone
   + potentially one in Bern / Switzerland - October 19th.
   + working on a Munich event October 26-28th (Thorsten)
  + an Open Gov’t meeting from the City of Munich
  + good to have a hack-fest back-to-back there.
  + moving slowly here ...

* mentoring/easyhack update
  committer...   1 week   1 month  3 months12 
months
  open   90(-9)  150(15)  161(17) 
165(18)
   reviews 1548(953)2800(1102)   5740(908) 
19079(1070)
merged  342(88) 1202(98) 3455(-17) 
13499(145)
 abandoned   27(11)   77(-71) 276(8) 
983(22)
   own commits  241(-191)   1328(-45)3657(-87) 
14024(200)
review commits   66(-44) 334(14)  949(-1) 
3249(62)
contributor...   1 week  1 month  3 months 12 
months
  open  35(-16)  

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Khaled Hosny]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:50 PM Michael Meeks 
wrote:

>+ Tools > Options > Asian/CTL always active
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104318


The issue (at least the recent comment that revived it) argues that
disabling CTL (and by extension CJK) by default makes it much harder for
users of these scripts to use LibreOffice (which is my experience as well,
we have many reports of users failing to use such basic functionality
because it was hidden by default). So the fix it to actually make sure the
controls are always visible and may remove the option to hide them
altogether, not hiding them by default.

If the dialogs are cluttered, then they need to be organized not hiding
basic UI needed by a large segment of our users.

   + e.g. in tabs with Tools > Options > Language Settings > Default on
> top
>+ remove “For the current document only”
>+ would be happy if some developer looked at this (Michael)
>   + ideally with CTL experience.
>+ makes it more complex for those who don’t know CTL (Cloph)
>+ lots of work showing these only when there are hints (Caolan)
>   + start in a US locale – CJK document, turned off …
>   + but if any settings on the system that suggest CJK
> should be enabled
>


Often than not such heuristics fails.
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Olivier, Michael W, Michael M, Heiko, Christian, Kendy,
  Xisco, Caolan, Stephan, Eike, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental (Tamas B)
   [ ongoing ]
+ Budget ranking by next week (All)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2 status
+ tagged this week; all builds except Linux-32 on pre-release server
   + re-building Linux-32
   + expect to announce it as final tomorrow
   + very few patches vs. rc1.
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 status
+ released it on Sunday.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Michael)
   + pleased with progress, few issues open
   + recursion issues nailed, cleaned-up.
   + suggest leaving it on for the .0 release
  + hesitant yes (Eike)   
   + crash-testing done (Caolan)
  + before “extra threading” 2-3 moved to 37 issues
  + will continue to work on that (Michael)
 + easy to turn off in an RC if necessary.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + nothing happened last week,
   + thorsten merged stuff to 6.1 – in disabled state 
  + easy to play with environment variable.  
   + not on as experimental feature – doesn’t work well enough yet.
   + got a new crash (Xisco)
  + Michael to poke soon.  
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   + with extension, dialog, we load old-style help viewer
 for all extensions installed
   + extension help still not integrated well.
   + not added into the hierarchy or integrated into indexes.
   + fixes very old bug wrt. on-line help usage too.
   + slightly less featureful, but somewhat working. 
   + extended tooltips don’t work with the new help
  + not going to work on that from now (Stephan)
   + discussion to move tooltips to a field in the dialogs (Olivier)
  + placeholder in dialog widgets for tooltips.
  + Tomaz V has some scripts that might help.
   + what should we do ?
  + go ahead & fix things when we get time (Olivier)
 + lots of advantages from new help
 + main issue is to disconnect from the old help
   => lets go with it and hope for resource to fix tooltips
AI:   + enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian)
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + merged.
+ Making the Notebookbar non-experimental (Heiko)
   + will not be ready – needs communicating   
   => will not happen in 6.1
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + tweaks in CSS (fitoshido, buovjaga)
   + Fixes in some XML/XSLT rendering (ohallot)

+ Help pages contents
   + some cleanups, fix typos, fix contents (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New pages on Basic Internal Libraries (ohallot)
   + undocumented since OO.o
   + Handy macros for the Basic programmer
   + Question raised: Are these libs supported ?
   + if present & used for decades sounds sensible (Michael)

 + Guides: More reviews arriving for publication
   + 60% review done
   + Working on migrating ODFAuthors PLONE to TDF’s NC+LOOL.   

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 290(290) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(5) 5(3)  21(1)   87(-1) 
 commented 23(10)   48(2) 315(-26)   1694(-43)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   1(-1)  10(-1) 
  resolved  1(0) 4(0)  24(-1) 172(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 741 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 300 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 10 changes in 1 month, and 321 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 8 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 6 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 4 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  eisa01 made 4 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year

   + Drop IME (File > View > Input Method Status and underlying code)
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call

[Stephan Bergmann]

* Present:
Michael W., Caolan, Heiko, Olivier, Lionel, Stephan, Xisco, Drew,
Cloph

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental 
(Tamas B)


* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2 status
+ pending, no changes submitted so far
+ time until tomorrow noon to get changes in
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 status
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing – more fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + doesn’t quite work yet, but want to get it into master soon
  + get it in tomorrow, and continue later to finish it
  + expect another couple of weeks until it can be enabled
in experimental mode.
   + desirable to get it into 6.1 (Thorsten)
  + have kill-switch to turn it off
   + lets get it into master & decide next week wrt. 6.1
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + various make file dependency fixes
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/55760
+ flat MIME icons (Andreas K)
   + done (Heiko)
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/55356/
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
   + everything working nicely.
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ some fixes in makefile (sberg, ohallot)
+ CSS improvements (Adolfo Barrientos)
+ Help pages
+ Fixes in contents for COUNTIFS (ohallot)
+ Add another collateral file (ohallot)
+ Cleanups in help files (SophiaS)
+ Guides,
+ More reviews from J. Cohen, D. Jensen.


* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 293(293) (needsUXEval) needs to 
be evaluated by the UXteam

+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added  0(-2)2(-1) 20(-5)  88(-11)
 commented 13(3)46(-10)   341(-68)   1737(-75)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   2(0)   11(0)
  resolved  1(0) 4(-1) 25(-4) 175(-2)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 26 changes in 1 month, and 760 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 1 
year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 
1 year

  Xisco Faulí made 11 changes in 1 month, and 330 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 151 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 4 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  A.Holtsmark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 4 changes in 1 month, and 98 changes in 
1 year

  Ilhan Yesil made 2 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  + <300 tickets needs UX input!

  + plan to harmonize menus – up to discussion in the design meeting later
+ 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Menubar-td4241658.html

+ e.g. Writer https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/55505/


* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 62(+50) import failures, 15(+12) export failures
+ most new are from new empty bitmap access assert, those are 
now fixed

+ 1 import, 2 exports – mst layout assert
+ 1 import failure is Bjoern refactor related
+ ~4 calc import failures with null ScPatternAttr, etc
+ ooo33510-1.sxc failure bisected to 
1e55a47e89a9d9d6cf9cb3993484022aaf2c097b tdf#62268: allow row height 
recalculation on document load, but looks innocent to me, so something 
underlying brought to the surface by that ?

+ coverity
+ 4 (+2, -13)
+ forcepoint round 7.
+ all reproducible crashes fixed
+ oss-fuzz ?? (13 outstanding, 11 minor,
  lots of font cache unreproducibles
+ but not in last two days, maybe noel rtl::Reference change 
fixed it


* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2
  + 517 (last 7 days) (-30)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
  + 524 (last 7 days) (+35)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 947 (last 7 days) (-46)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
  + 1961 (last 7 days) (+168)

+ MultiSalLayout::AdjustLayout(ImplLayoutArgs &)
+ not backported to 6.0.5 – pity
+ ping Tamas Bunth?

* Alpha bitmap progress (Michael)
   + … skip next time ...

* Budget ranking (Thorsten)
   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
   + 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Noel Grandin]

e

On 7 June 2018 at 16:46, Michael Meeks  wrote:

>  + also looked at Windows build / CPU
> + total time ~50mins
>   + 5 minutes at the begin – checkout/dep gen.
>   + 8 min in middle & end – just 1 CPU core.
>   + 20mins – with just 1 core.
> + so should run concurrent builds to make better use of 32 threads
> + want to enable it in Jenkins for real builds.
>

​I've pushed a couple of Windows build improvements (e.g. building Python
in parallel) and I intend to push a few more, but mostly I'm focusing on
low hanging fruit e.g. new compiler and linker flags that we can take
advantage of now that we req​uire VS2015
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Sophie, Christian, Michael S, Michael M, Eike, Lionel,
  Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Thorsten, Xisco, Tamas B

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2
+ early next week
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 next week …
+ was optional, but worth having near end of week.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing – more fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + doesn’t quite work yet, but want to get it into master soon
  + get it in tomorrow, and continue later to finish it
  + expect another couple of weeks until it can be enabled
in experimental mode. 
   + desirable to get it into 6.1 (Thorsten)
  + have kill-switch to turn it off
   + lets get it into master & decide next week wrt. 6.1 
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + various make file dependency fixes
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + plan to get it before next ESC.  
+ flat MIME icons (Andreas K)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117456
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/54990/
   + documentation team informed
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
   + everything working nicely. 
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ up-loaded a beta1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes in Makefiles for media (thanks to Stephan Bergman)
+ Tweaks in UI CSS (Adolfo Barrientos)
+ Fix  in XSLT
+ Help contents
+ New Pages for MAXIFS, MINIFS, (ohallot)
+ refactoring of ‘IFS functions (ohallot)
+ reduces workload for translation
+ files cleanups and visual enhancements (S Schröder)
+ Fixes and typos (Adolfo, ohallot)
+ Master vs 6.1: backport help pages?, New Help?
+ no approval needed yet (Michael)
+ Guides and Books
+ Further reviews on GS 6.0 chapters by Jean Weber
+ Assembling book on going (ohallot)
+ spent some days in São Paulo with the local team 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 309(309) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(1) 3(-4) 25(-8)  99(-4) 
 commented 10(2)56(-54)   409(-52)   1812(-78)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)5(0)  29(-2) 177(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 28 changes in 1 month, and 795 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 13 changes in 1 month, and 333 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 381 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 8 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Ilhan Yesil made 7 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 5 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 4 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  A.Holtsmark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  + Guideline for floating widgets
+ should clearly identified as detachable, stay on top, 
  close on escape, look like a tool-window
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance

  + Keyboard shortcut to move cols/rows in Calc
+ Proposal via mode switch; enable a different / movement mode (?)
+ surely WYSIWYG editors try to avoid modes ? (Michael)

  + Mojave dark mode request (tdf#118017)

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 10(+4) import failures, 9(+6) export failures
+ 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
+ expect related to Bitmap / threading changes.
+ coverity
+ 3 (+0, -13)
+ forcepoint round 7.
+ 11 docs → 4 root issues.
+ 1 outstanding
   + a hang – intractable layout loop
+ oss-fuzz ?? (15 outstanding, 12 minor, lots of font cache unreproducibles)
+ lots of irreproducible ones.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 547 (last 7 days) (-177)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
  + 489 (last 7 days) (+149)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 993(last 7 days) (-174)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
  + 1793 (last 7 days) (+565)

+ Top 1 crash: MultiSalLayout::AdjustLayout(ImplLayoutArgs &)

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2018-05-30

[Jan Iversen]

Enviado desde mi iPad

> El 30 may 2018, a las 18:38, Jan Holesovsky  escribió:
> 
> * Present:
>+ Thorsten, Kendy, Heiko, Noel, Olivier, Xisco, Bubli, Stephan, Sophie,
>  Michael W., Drew, Eike, Cloph
+ jani (I was the first, when you asked for names).
Rgds
Jan I.
> 
> * Completed Action Items:
> 
> * Pending Action Items:
> 
> * Release Engineering update (Christian)
>+ 6.0.5 – RC1 – this week.
>+ about to tag  
>+ 6.1.0 beta 1 status …
>+ out for a few days now
>+ beta 2 on June 12th – Cloph plans to do the Beta 2
>+ 6.1 late features
>+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
>   + ongoing – more fixes this week.
>+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
>   + ongoing, to be pushed the next week hopefully
>   + switch to switch those 2
>+ KDE5 work (Bubli/Thorsten)
>   + canceled for 6.1, gets merged into master the next days, with the 
> view
> to ship it in 6.2 then
>+ Help format (Stephan)
>   + still trying to figure out how to make extension help work with 
> the
> new format
>+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Michael)
>+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
>+ Remotes
>+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
>+ Android viewer
>+ Online
>+ waiting for -6-1 branch.
> 
> * Documentation (Olivier)
>+ New Help
> + Tested build with sberg : OK
> + has a localized build now
> + Discuss: Need a tinderbox to build offline new Help 
>+ “--with-help=html”
> + Tweaks for GDPR in online pages.
>+ Help Pages
> + fixes 
> + Doc bugs triaging.
>+ Guides
> + Sprint Revision week 
>  + 6 of 16 chapters ready for publication
>  + 10 more needed still, but progressing
>  + Missing team members
> 
> * UX Update (Heiko)
>+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
>247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 315(315) (needsUXEval)
>+ Updates:
>BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
> added 1(-2)  7(-7) 33(-5) 103(-5) 
> commented 8(-32)   110(-67)   461(-51)   1890(-64)
>   removed 0(0)   0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
>  resolved 2(1)   5(-1) 31(1)  180(0)  
>+ top 10 contributors:
>  Tietze, Heiko made 46 changes in 1 month, and 813 changes in 1 year
>  Pedro made 35 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
>  Cor Nouws made 14 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
>  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 1 year
>  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
>  Xisco Faulí made 8 changes in 1 month, and 330 changes in 1 year
>  Foote, V Stuart made 8 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
>  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year
>  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 23 changes in 1 year
>  Buovjaga made 7 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
> 
>  + Late feature coming with flat MIME icons
>+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117456
>+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/54990/
>+ Andreas K. working on this
>+ documentation team informed
> 
> * Crash Reporting (Caolan)
>+ 6(-11) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
>   + 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
>   + fast-parser fix integrated.
>+ coverity
>+ ?? 6 (+3, -9)
>+ forcepoint round 7.
>+ ??
>+ oss-fuzz ?? (10 outstanding, 9 minor)
> 
> * Crash Reporting (Xisco)
>+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
>  + 650 (last 7 days) (+35)
>+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
>  + 724 (last 7 days) (+63)
>+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
>  + 340 (last 7 days) (+116)
>+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
>  + 1167 (last 7 days) (-165)
>+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
>  + 1228 (last 7 days) (+216)
> 
> * Budget ranking (Thorsten)
>   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
> 
> * GSoC schedule (Heiko)
>   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
>   + please tell students to send a weekly status upate.
>   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
>   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
>   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
>   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
>   + Results Announced: August 22
>   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2018
> 
> * Hackfests & Events
>   + a hole here – potential one in Switzerland later in the year.
>   + call for papers for the LibreOffice Conference still ongoing! (Sophie)
>  + deadline: mid-July
> 
> * 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Michael M, Lionel, Sophie, Heiko, Eike, Caolan, Olivier,
Stephan, Michael W, Miklos, Sophie, Kendy, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke people who didn’t fill out the evening (Thorsten)
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ on the ESC share ... ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.5 – RC1 – next week.
+ 6.1.0 beta 1 – Feature Freeze May 24th 
+ not tagged yet - planned after the call. 
+ looks ok, some Jenkins hiccups
+ tinderboxes mended 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing - lots of fixes this week.
   + hope to run crash-testing again … some pending patches.
   + clearly getting closer
   + updated #’s – left threading enabled (Caolan)
   + run – before the last fix from Dennis.
   + expect to go down tomorrow, day after.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work (Bubli/Thorsten)
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + looking better this week
   + one outstanding issue with duplicated files
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ waiting for -6-1 branch.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Packaging patches from Stephan
 + thanks ! will test.
 + addresses moving files in media/ sub-folder to lang-packs 
(Stephan)
 + unclear how to address extensions.
 + Fix media path issues for XSLT (ohallot)
 + avoiding glitches in the transformation
+ Helpcontent2
 + New pages on digital signature line (ohallot)
 + Many fixes in help pages (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + This week is Sprint Review Week for “Getting Started 6.0”
 + Effort to review chapters and finish work.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.

+ Proposal do it always on Wed (Michael)
 + not a fan of Wed’s (Eike)
 + evening – people far less enthusiastic (Michael)
 + expectation is that few people will attend ? (Miklos)

+ Proposal try a new scheme for a month alternating:
 + Wednesdays 6-7 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague [ 18 people ]
 + Thursday, current time slot (4 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague)
AI: + send out some appointments for next month (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 323(323) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2) 14(-1) 38(-2) 108(-4) 
 commented 40(14)   177(-17)   512(-33)   1954(-50)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(1)  6(-1) 30(-2) 180(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 828 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 42 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 339 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 15 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 15 changes in 1 month, and 401 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

+ changed the UX design team meeting time to be later for US
   + not many people turned up.

+ Karasa Jaga icon theme added to core
   + said to be complete – he counted SVGs
   + a LGPLv3 licensed theme, and SVG not yet in the core
  + some SVGs have compressed bitmaps in them.
   + positive feedback on the look.
 
+ Support columns in RTF ?
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117734
   + discussed on Telegram, upset at lack of support.
   + a non-standard update.
   + completely out of scope asking for random fixes here (Michael)
   + seems like a normal filter bug (Miklos)
  + nothing special here.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 17 import failure, 3 export failures
   + 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
   + fast-parser fix integrated.
   + calc threading enabled in these runs
  + hope for some more fixes in the next run.
  + seems to 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Stephan, Sophie, Miklos, Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Eike,
  Olivier, Michael M, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
[ forgot to run it
  should poke Italo wrt. Renewing ? (Thorsten)
 + a number of expired ones
 + normally Italo pokes us here (Kendy)
+ if you’re aware please poke us ]
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ not got to it yet ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 released earlier today 
+ 6.0.5 – RC1
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ beta1 this week, for tag ~next week depending on state of master
   + currently mac failures
   + libreoffice-6-0 branch will be created, but no review mandatory
 while still in beta phase – remember to cherry-pick bugfixes 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + lots of fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + to stop it moving things in the document model.
   + so layout & text formatting doesn’t show deleted stuff
   + how long more will it take.
   + have a contingency plan to use existing way of doing it
   + mostly new extra code.
   + changes to existing code should be bisectable.
   + sounds like a great win (Michael M)
   + love to have it in (Thorsten)
   + does it make it easier for Outline view ? (Michael M)
   + working to make completely deleted frames invisible (Michael S)
   + would help with that too …
   + should help de-bong undo/redo/redline mess (Miklos)
   + avoids hide-red-line mess (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work from Bubli (Thorsten)
   + TDF builds – have no effect on release bits …
   + some changes to font subsystem not sure if a good idea to merge
   + perhaps depending on distro interest –
 add some bits to KDE5 sal subsystem.
   + unclear – sitting on the fence.
   + windows GL font-regression there ? (Michael)
   + nice to have it in one place to fix (Thorsten)
   + Bubli’s call (Thorsten)
+ Help format ? (Stephan)
   + old or new ?
   + some trouble wrt. getting media files packaged (Olivier)
   + re-working how image files go into the help.
   + need more time.
   + two things in mind (Stephan)
  + media/localization
  + extensions help – currently not working.
  + having no media not a blocker (Kendy)
  + didn’t have that before – videos can come later.
  + videos in un-localized bundle increasing its size (Stephan)
  + did some work to get help help into pkgs (Stephan)
  + media folder not differentiated per language.
  + wiki page with structure of the folder (Olivier)
  
+https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/NewHelpMedia
  + how large are the per-language blobs ? (Stephan)
  + if big should go into localized packages.
  + can try to help out (Stephan)
  + extension pieces – how to fix that (Stephan)
  + when we have online help – it never showed extension (Olivier)
  + if only have HTML help loose them completely – not good 
(Stephan)
  + didn’t remove the help-viewer code (Kendy)
  + we can fallback in extremis to old-help for extensions eg.
+ Remotes
+ got logo image source & cleanup fixes from Siqi
+ now a menu-bar rendering issue – orange shade etc.
+ Android viewer
+ endless recursion bug
+ number-text feature causing grief: disabled
+ what happened to the Android tinderbox ? (Miklos)
  + prolly got stuck and no-one noticed (Christian) 
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Tweaks for the UI (fitoshido, buovjaga)
+ wiki page for community contribution of collateral files
+ Help contents
+ Several fixes by translators
+ HIDs fixed by Caolan
+ New pages on digital signature + Signature Line (ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + Sprint Review Week next week to boost revision of
   Getting Started (GS) 6.0 (ohallot,  D. Barton and Drew Jensen)
 + almost there – but need a final review push here.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.
+ People 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Caolan, Michael M, Mike K, Miklos, Kendy,
  Christian, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss help / video options with the l10n teams for a decision (Olivier)
  [ sent the message, and got a couple of replies 
not completely conclusive – but some directions to take.
Perhaps too early for videos in 6.1 (?)
Is there no workaround ? (Michael)
  + would like new features video + captions (Olivier)
 + would like an overview of each module
 + but can’t give too much work to Mike ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ circulate an evenings poll (Thorsten)
  + to complement https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
+ tagged yesterday & builds being up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
+ released as final already
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
+ Dennis & Lubos looking at Caolan’s list
+ halved the count there, and have more fixes.
+ hope to fix these & re-enable that.
+ others – after holiday break ...
+ Remotes
+ waiting for Siqi to update artwork.
+ Online
+ did a 6.0.3 src release

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Videos in help: Message sent to list, few responses so far cf. above
  + New help
+ Added page UI to Pootle frameworks for l10n (ohallot)
+ Tweaks in CSS (fitoshido)
+ Colibre is now the default icon set (Rene Engelhard)
+ some icons missing though
+ some pages show default-alt-text not icons – in help navigator
+ Working on a process for localization of example files
+ Online editor: pending.
   + what needs building here ? (Kendy)
  + need it installed locally so can tweak it (Olivier)
   + do we have a short-list ? (Kendy)
  + seems tinymce is the most popular (Olivier)
  + also ckeditor
+ Help pages
+ fixes by G. Kelemen, Sophia S., S. Horacek, fitoshido, A 
Gelmini
+ Added screenshots for Math modules (ohallot, bubli)
+ bug triaging
+ Guides
Week 5/21 5/27 will be the Review Sprint Week for final 
revision of
   Getting started 6. book.


* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(3) 19(2) 41(5)  116(3)  
 commented 56(-5)   217(2)565(23)2053(37) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  2(-1) 8(-6)34(-1) 181(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 851 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 38 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 427 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 29 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 345 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 15 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

  + Colibre finally merged
 + still filling out the last icons …
 + strange symphony folder – 3D icons
 + looking good to me too (Michael)
   
 + Gradients 
   + introduced new gradients with the std. Colors
   + hope they are nicer & more usable – happy to get feedback too.

 + Draw styles
   + hope to update these in the next two weeks for 6.1

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 44(+42) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
   + turns out there is another crash related to
 the last forcepoint issue
   + now fixed; expect to be down to a handful.
   + temporary calc threading run - 114 / 3
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
   + and some mst layout issue asserts.
+ coverity
+ 18 (+11, -8)
+ a few more – mostly fixed.
+ forcepoint round 6, complete.
+ will get back to them.
+ oss-fuzz (17 outstanding, 14 minor)
+ fixed some bits, found some more.
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Michael W, Olivier, Sophie, Michael M, Caolan, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Cloph, Xisco, Miklos, Christian, Lionel, Michael S, Kendy,
  Eike (>16:20)

* Completed Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
  [ what is the answer ? - hard to know, Thorsten didn’t fill it out.
Rene has time in the morning / lunchtime (Heiko)
+ no Monday / Friday ? (Michael)
   + typically used by other meetings,travel (Heiko)
  + can run another poll of course.
   + would like to include people who can’t make it (Thorsten)
  + 18:00 Berlin time might be good.
+ just saw the ‘want it later than 4pm’ option (Thorsten)
+ lets re-run – what periods ? (Michael)
   + evening not ideal for East Asia / India (Thorsten)
   + concern with early morning (Olivier, Lionel)
   + 6am or 6pm to avoid work (Michael)
   => propose do a separate evening poll: 
AI:   6pm – 10pm Berlin time Mon→Fri (Thorsten) ]
+ come up with a plan for help / video l10n, translation (Olivier)
+ in discussion with l10n team
[ listening to the l10n discussion – will now interact with them]

* Pending Action Items:
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
   + delayed, not tagged yet.
   + patches submitted to -5-4 but not -5-4-7
+ important to get a chance to review those.   
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + planned for this week
   + all patches are now in.
   + can tag after the ESC call.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Remotes
   + iOS built with xcode8 – but wrong ver for iOS 11
   + downloaded xcode9  
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help contents:
+ help pages for PIVOT CHARTS (ohallot)
+ Improvements on EPUB help (ohallot)
+ fixes, fixes, fixes… (fitoshido, ohallot, Sophia_s, A. 
Gelmini)
+ New Help
+ New help is packageable (sberg)
+ CSS enhancements to prettify (fitoshido)
  + investigating on-line editors
+ no conclusion yet.

+ Proposal for handling multimedia.

Objective of Multimedia:
• Will NOT replace textual description of LO resource or feature.
• Be a rich support for textual contents
• Introduce examples, use cases or tutorials on feature / resource.
• Indirectly: motivate communities to produce contents and contribute.

Issue: 
• Multimedia contents is asked to be localized on release,
  for some languages.

   Concerns:
   • Not every community has resource for localization or
 local contents production to match release deadlines.
   • Localized captions not even accepted in some languages.

   Further information on New Help
   • New help is now build-able and package-able
 (thanks to Stephan Bergman and David Tardon)
   • New Help build distinct when ONLINE or OFFLINE
  ◦ Offline is package-able.
   • OFFLINE help already has no multimedia ( tag is not rendered)
   • ONLINE help has multimedia (master).
 ◦ https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/main.html

   Options:
   1. Remove all multimedia from Help either online and offline: 
  1. Problem vanish.
   2. Remove all multimedia from offline Help.
  => Done already
   3. Implement language based multimedia enabler in XSLT / makefile
  1. --without-help-multimedia=fr
  2. if $lang = “fr” then multimedia > /dev/null
   4. Have multimedia enabled and localize 
  1. Change href= to localized contents
  2. set width=”0” and height=”0” if no localized contents.

 + was this built in discussion with l10n team ? (Michael)
 + not presented the options to them (Olivier)
+ would like to have ESC input

 + l10n team are waiting for his proposals (Sophie)
 + can we add – when video scripts are made available.
 + where are these published before embedding ?
 + expect each community to decide if they want it ? (Olivier)

 + a 5th option ? Different flavours of help  with & without ? (Heiko)
 + off-line help has no MM enabled already (Olivier)
+ the on-line site can have this. 

 => discuss this with the l10n teams for a decision.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 319(319) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3)17(0) 36(-2) 113(1)  
 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 26/04/18 16:36, Michael Meeks wrote:

 + create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
   => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4


Even if the times in the poll are in UTC, I assume we are looking for a 
time that will float with the CET/CEST summer-time change again (as the 
current schedule does), right?

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Lionel,
  Bubli, Kendy, Sophie, Xisco, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC2
   + tag planned this week too
   + but focused on 6.1 for testers first.
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + plan this next week
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
   + being built – a problem with the 32bit Linux build
   + problem with Junit tests failing
   + other platforms built and being up-loaded
   + testers will have something to play with.  
+ Remotes
   + iOS update didn’t happen yet.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help: 
+ Several tweaks for handling tables (Adolfo, buovjaga, ohallot)
+ Contribution to packaging offline help (TBA, sberg)
+ online XHP editor: evaluating options for rich text editors
+ Helpcontent2
+ many help pages fixes (Sophia_S, Adolfo, ohallot, cloph, 
jpledure)
+ Guides:
+ resuming activities 
+ GS 06 Review week to be announced for May.
+ contributions from Drew Jensen.
+ Other: Wiki page for Firebird migration:
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
  thanks to RobertG

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(5) 17(5) 38(1)  112(3)  
 commented 61(36)   209(8)535(14)2017(6)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 2(0)   12(-2) 
  resolved  2(-2)12(-4)35(-3) 178(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 78 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 49 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 39 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 341 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 21 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 16 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 146 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

   + Terminology in file format dropdown
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108894
 + old: “Microsoft Word 2007-2013 XML”
 + suggested: "Word 2007-2016 (*.docx)" (without Microsoft)
 + check if "Office Open XML Text (docx)" is an extra filter
+ yes, it is a different filter (Miklos)
   + strictness is orthogonal
   + specification vs. reality.
   + suggest hiding the Office Open XML Text (Michael, Miklos)
 + classic bike-shed; removing Microsoft.  

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(-26) import failure, 4(+1) export failures
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
+ coverity
+ 5 (-19, +2)
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ one nasty layout one remaining
+ oss-fuzz
   + builds were not working properly
   + mergelib for andoid style now mended
   + waiting to see new issues.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 747 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 828 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 662(last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 563 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 1433 (last 7 days) (up)

+ similar to last week; top crash is OpenGL related.
  + Miklos fixed the top issue.
  + would be good to have it in 6.0.4
  + happy but need it in -6-0 first (Miklos)

+ Review needed:
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53434/
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53329/

* ESC proto-agenda (Michael)
   + send it to the public / dev-list instead of private CC
   + should get more engagement & interest there.
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Christian, Eike, Michael S, Lionel, Stephan, Xisco, Olivier, Caolan,
  Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Michael W, Michael M, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with slot count (Heiko, Markus, Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – status
   + tagged yesterday, Windows builds up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC1 – due to tag next week.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + wiki page for direct gerrit edition
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing
   + useful for fixing typos and linguistic of help pages.
   + many patches from Hamburg Hackfest from SophiaS & co.
   + Patch to allow new Help to be installed as UNO package (extension)
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52700/3 
  + 
https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com.br/2018/04/new-libreoffice-help-is-also-uno.html
   + review & submission of corrections to help-pages on-going   
   + poor presence in guides meetings.

* Timing – Thorsten requested:
+ new doodle poll; can we find a better time ?
AI: + create the poll(Thorsten) 

* HSQLDB -> Firebird migration plan (Lionel, Miklos)
+ reverted initial removal of HSQLDB
+ based on feedback – Tomi will add a warning dialog (Miklos)
   + user can choose whether the migration is wanted or not.
   + would be good to know what the transition period should be too.
+ would be good to wait until firebird is present in LTS releases (Lionel)
   + before removing HSQLDB
   + how long ? (Miklos)
  + Ubuntu – every 2 years (Lionel)
  + say 2-3 years, if Debian.
   + other questions (Michael)
  + what is default ?
  + do people really exchange DB’s by E-mail ?
  + we migrate data – how much do we need it ?
   + eager to keep HSQLDB syntax / engine (Lionel)
  + for transition - something like a programming tool
  + 2-3 years looks good for Lionel.
+ when do we make firebird the default ? (Lionel)
   + can be for the next release when its ready.
   + need to get an overview of the bugs
+ Metabug: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780
   + may already be in a better state than HSQLDB
   + not opposed with this being a default for next release.
+ exchanging DB’s by E-mail can happen (Lionel)
   + know some groups that do.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 16(-1)41(-1) 117(0)  
 commented 70(26)   219(27)   535(41)2040(44) 
   removed  1(1)  3(2)  3(2)   16(3)  
  resolved  6(3) 18(3) 38(3)  182(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 860 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 447 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 40 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 315 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 19 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 10 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 
year

   + Sifr for Hicontrast
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52772/
 + this is there for a11y reasons
 + agreed by Hypra
 + Sifr is small compared to hicontrast (Michael)
+ so if you want to see things with hicontrast you need these
 + hicontrast for people with color / contrast disability (Kendy)
+ from what recall from Sifr – grey not high contrast.
 + Possibly solved by more modern hardware / shaders cf. The bug:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75398#c14
 + was concerned too (Caolan)
 => turn it into an extension.

   + Badly readable styles at sidebar tdf#115507 and similar
 Closed as WFM now
 
* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 28(+22) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ big jump here. Old bug not showing up until std::unique_ptr
   + could have been a cause of random crashes; now fixed.
+ one outstanding assert caused by FastParser (Michael S)
   + NS handling in xmloff not quite right
   + only works with the normal namespace prefixes
   + prefix → integer → string; 2nd mapping is static
   + have CC’d Azorpid on it.
  

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 05/04/18 16:48, Michael Meeks wrote:

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Help pages updated /fixes (G. Kelemen. S. Horacek, buovjaga,
   D. Roscek, ohallot, atimar, A. Gelmini)
 + (on going) wiki page on direct inline help page editing in gerrit
   (thanks to D. Ostrovsky, M. Kaganski, buovjaga)
+ should make fixing typos & small updates very easily.
+ should significantly improve editing efficiency & flow.


Unfortunately, appears that none of the Gerrit/Jenkins bots will 
actually check such changes (as none of them apparently uses 
--with-help=...).  Leads to broken master that needs fixing like 
 
"Updated core".  Can we get things improved there, making sure such 
changes are actually tested before they hit master?

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Cloph, Stephan, Sophie, Caolán, Olivier, Michael W,
  Miklos, Michael M, Heiko, Xisco, Michael S, Thorsten, 
  Chris Sherlock  

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + will be tagged next week – final 5.4 line release
+ 6.0.3 – RC2 status
   + released as final earlier today.
+ Android
   + impress remote crash with wifi on Android
   + fix in repo will release to play store shortly. 
+ Online
   + 6.0.3 release of online too.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help pages updated /fixes (G. Kelemen. S. Horacek, buovjaga,
  D. Roscek, ohallot, atimar, A. Gelmini)
+ (on going) wiki page on direct inline help page editing in gerrit
  (thanks to D. Ostrovsky, M. Kaganski, buovjaga)
   + should make fixing typos & small updates very easily.
   + should significantly improve editing efficiency & flow.
   + finishing wiki page with instructions & building a video on this:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing

+ Bug triaging for Help
+ Guides: stalled.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 330(330) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4)  17(-4)42(1)  117(-1) 
 commented 44(-23)   192(-1)   494(-6)1996(-16)
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   13(0)  
  resolved  3(0)  15(0) 35(-1) 180(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 824 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 235 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 41 changes in 1 month, and 420 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 10 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  m.a.riosv made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

   * Terminology modifications to Paste Special format 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
   + we have eg. calc8 as a format presented to user here.
 + updated the strings here. hopefully easier to understand

   * Ctrl/cmd+Tab & shift+ctrl/cmd+tab introduced for customization
 and assigned to next/prev sheet in Calc (wip)
  + good; be careful of tab/shift-tab for focus/a11y (Michael)

   * tdf#116695 Make Elementary the default on Gnome
 patch merged to see if “gnome” works as DE
  + discussion ongoing in the bug.
  + think Sifr better than Elementary (Cloph)
  + also think Colibre would be better on more platforms.
   + better choice (Heiko)
   + but want to keep Breeze on KDE.
  + best to get someone to test it rather than pushing to master (Michael)
  + why not use Colibre on GNOME ? (Michael)
  + important to use what we have (Heiko)
  + lets pick the best, and use that (Michael)
  + UX team want Elementary for GNOME → do that.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 6(+0) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ 25 (-3, +20) coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ wheels have fallen off the wagon wrt integer overflows
  and 32bit rect/point/etc, 28+
+ change to 32bit on all platforms (used to be 64bit on 64bit)
+ will switch to 64bit on all platforms instead to avoid this (Stephan)
+ lots of noise from this
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ reviews of backports much appreciated.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 688 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 1048 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 346 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 636 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 2052 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 18 (last 7 days) (-)
+ quite surprised in 5.4.6.2 – numbers of crashes are low in last week
  + 5.4.x continues to go down
+ fix for SetUpdateMode pending (Michael)

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review!
  + somewhat down on previous years; similar to other projects.
   + 16+ mentors
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... ( 29-03-2018 )

[Xisco Fauli]

* Present:
+ Eike, Stephan, Miklos, Xisco, Heiko, Michael W, Thorsten, Caolan,
  Christian, Sophie, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ submit insert/delete mode removal (Heiko)
+ connect identifiable students’ interest with right mentors (Heiko)
   [ contacted them all so they were brought together.
 We have 42 final proposals – mentors should poke at the tool.
 _https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com_
]
+ chase old security - viva tool / company via Vasily (Thorsten)
   [ coverity is back, no urgency – drop for the moment]
+ make Colibre default on master / Windows (Heiko)
   [ in now.
 not ideal how this came across (Thorsten)
+ breeze doesn’t fit into windows well – but better than tango
 fallbacks could be improved ? (Michael)
+ need to check how this works.
 Updated Linux and got Colibre (Xisco)
+ may happen on not KDE3/4, Trinity, Unity, GNOME etc. (Heiko) ]
+ create account & cloph will add you to the Jenkins admin group (Stephan)
   [ already an admin it seems ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + last of the 5.4 release line
+ 6.0.3 – RC2 status
   + patch queue is empty – so can do RC2 tag after the call.
   + should be on the mirrors tomorrow.
   + added 6.0.3.1 to crashreport on Tuesday
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ not here.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 329(329) (needsUXEval) needs to be
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
 added 3(-4) 21(-7) 41(-7) 118(-7)
 commented 67(5) 193(-36) 500(-35) 2012(-29)
   removed 1(1) 1(1) 1(1) 13(1)
  resolved 3(-1) 15(1) 36(-3) 186(-6)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 859 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 53 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 52 changes in 1 month, and 424 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 47 changes in 1 month, and 306 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 46 changes in 1 month, and 310 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 45 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 20 changes in 1 month, and 138 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 102 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
   + business as usual

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 6(-589) import failure, 3(-5) export failures
   + Michael S added some new asserts in and we’re up again.
+ 14 (-5 +7) coverity
+ forcepoint round 6
   + ~half done, lots backports in gerrit, reviews appreciated
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ _http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.
4
.2
_
+ 786 (last 7 days) (down)
+ _http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1_
+ 1054 (last 7 days) (-)
+ _http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2_
+ 319 (last 7 days) (-)
+ _http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/
6.0.1.1
_
+ 854 (last 7 days) (down)
+ _http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/
6.0.2.1
_
+ 2108 (last 7 days) (up)

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review!
  + somewhat down on previous years; similar to other projects.
   + 16+ mentors
   + 10-15 interested students discussing on ML.
 
* GSoC schedule
+ Application Review Period: March 27 - April 23
   + [libo] Deadline for EasyHack submission - March 31st
   + [libo] Deadline for merge of EasyHack – April 7th
   + April 9 16:00 UTC – slot allocation deadline
   + Student Projects Announced: April 23
   + Community Bonding: April 23 - May 14
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22

   + Created a 2018 wiki page with detailed dates (Eike)
 + _https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2018_
 + please check the 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Michael W,
  Michael M, Tomaz, Miklos, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ chase old security - viva tool / company via Vasily (Thorsten)

* ImageURL bits (Tomaz)
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Image_handling_re-work
+ Graphic pieces were handled by string in the API
+ properties in the API – used to be a string URL, now XGraphic.
+ question is – how to handle it for back-compatibility 
+ probably old macros use the old API.
+ is there some way we can get strings still ? (Michael)
+ was previously an embedded URL – this will now go away (Tomaz)
+ if the URL is external – still makes sense. 
+ some APIs eg. fillbitmap – used only internal URLs before.
+ how can we warn the user of this ?
+ Thorsten had some concerns wrt. existing macros (Stephan)
+ on the mailing list.
+ what should continue to work is common use-case:
+ URL for graphic to include somewhere, could in the past
  set that property to a URL-name; make sure it still works.
+ how would I put an image in a document from a file ? (Michael)
+ put a URL in the property – and it works (Tomaz)
+ for setting – it makes sense still.
+ getting the properties back not such a big deal (Tomaz)
+ if used to set external URL ? (Stephan)
+ reading it should get that back then.
+ in un-linked graphics case (Miklos)
+ sending the URL – an un-linked graphics is created
+ can’t return much – except the unique-id of the graphic
+ we want to kill that.
+ the vnd.sun.star ID ? (Stephan)
 + that’s correct (Tomaz)
 + we don’t want to get that back (for read) (Stephan)
+ good new things (Tomaz)
 + image loss is much harder to achieve.
 + GraphicObject unique-id is not used anymore
 + re-working GraphicObjects
 + XGraphic now used instead
 + the Swap functionality goes to Graphic itself 
 + and gets simplified
 + external link handling & handling of source graphics
   should be simplified too.
 + so Graphic will work much better, and be easier to maintain.
 + lots done in SdrGraphicObject that doesn’t belong there.
 + swapping triggered from there – can be transparent inside
   the Graphic itself
 + interested to get faster image sizing (Michael) 
 + best thing – getting swapping transparent to the code (Tomaz)
 + created a meta-bug to track issues wrt. refactoring (Xisco)
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116280 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 – released as final today
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + last of the 5.4 release line
+ 6.0.3 – RC1
   + delayed by build failures.
   + fix for windows done yesterday.
   + passes the JUnit tests nicely
   + will tag RC2 on Thur not Tue next week.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
* New Help
+ Enabled YouTube videos in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/swriter/main.html 
+ Enable ODF files in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/01/func_imsin.html 
+ fixes in New help XSLT.
* Help contents
+ Help page for Calc XML Source features (ohallot + Kohei contents)
+ bug triaging
* Guides
+ More chapter revisions from community
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 337(337) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-4) 28(-2)48(-2) 125(-1) 
 commented 62(-16)   229(13)   535(14)2041(-10)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)   12(0)  
  resolved  4(-3) 14(2) 39(-2) 192(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 854 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 83 changes in 1 month, and 266 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 71 changes in 1 month, and 322 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 449 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 55 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 17 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Olivier, Kendy, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ one plan – have variants of the job to disable linux / gcc builder
 with high load, and have Windows VMs on them to handle Windows load.
 Can be done manually quite easily – enable 1 config vs. the other.
 Can be automated by querying the queue size etc.
 Could we spin-up cloud VMs here ?
 Is it better to revert more aggressively ? (Michael)
 + yes, was looking at a queue of dependent patches
 + things getting merged when queue is long (Thorsten)
 + would be ideal to scale higher for a day eg. ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
+ tagged and built yesterday, up-loading builds now.

+ 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
+ plan to tag late this evening.
+ SalGraphics / jmux assert bits – have a patch, causes another issue
 + is another test breakage related or not (?)
 + unclear if the fix is effective.
+ ought to get this into RC1 if we can:
 + currently over 30x patches waiting for 6.0
 + a reviewing stall there:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-6-0 
+ reviews much appreciated.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Fixes in Help Content from translators (ohallot, fitoshido, kelemen, 
gelmini)
 + Fixed / clarification in HC pages (ohallot)
 + improved calc descriptions.
 + New Help
 + Fix for New Help navigation (ohallot)
 + Refactor offline help eliminating extra ver# (ohallot, sberg) 
 + Packaging: pending. 
 + Books / Guides: 
 + stalled due to team member’s availability.
 + will dedicate more time to packaging next.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 338(338) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(2) 30(9) 50(10) 126(8)  
 commented 78(36)   216(59)   521(75)2051(63) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  0(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  7(4) 12(3) 41(3)  189(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 847 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 82 changes in 1 month, and 272 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 75 changes in 1 month, and 330 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 56 changes in 1 month, and 456 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 45 changes in 1 month, and 319 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 9 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 2301 (+2301) import failure, 10(+9) export failures
  + a big jump, PDF import has a recent crash
  + new assert from mst accounts for most of it.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down “for synopsys rebranding” (maybe)
+ still completely dead. Down and out ?
  + how vital is that ? (Thorsten)
+ could do some of this in clang plugins (Caolan)
   + eg. intialize member in one constructor, but not another
   + worth making a list of common problems next.
AI: + chase some old paper of another tool via Vasily (Thorsten)
   + https://www.viva64.com/en/b/0308/ 
+ forcepoint round #5
  + fixed all their stuff, modulo DLP bits that need releases.
  + from 6000 → 300.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + 1-2 per day coming in.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 917 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 1066 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 1492 (last 7 days) (up)
+ slightly up this week - service down 2x days last week.  
+ nothing unexpected.

* ODF versioning / compat fix (Michael)
   + Michael S’ caveats should prolly be engraved in stone somewhere.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 16 mentors
   + have only 4 proposals so far
   + 2 blank, 2 Android.
   + expect some 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Miklos, Xisco, Eike, Sophie, Michael S
  Kendy, Michael M, Jan-Marek, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ still pending ]
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ No builds this week.
+ Next up:
  + 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
  + 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
  + Android
  + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Help pages contents: 208 Open bugs (+1)
  + 2 unconfirmed
 + 22 patches for Help contents by (G Kelemen, fitochido, A Gelmini)
 + New help: improvements in OS detection in  (ohallot)
  + Pending: new help packaging (tdf#116240)
  + Meta bug: tdf#97629
 + Help online editor : resuming with Mike Saunders and Liongold.
 + Guides:
  + progress in revision for GS 6.0 (+ 3 chapters reviewed)
 + should the help directory contain the version # ? (Stephan)
  + would be better to remove redundant ver in install set.
  + will open a bug and fix it (Olivier)
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Heiko on vacation next ~two weeks.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 326(326) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 21(1)  40(3)  118(6)  
 commented 42(13)   157(-22)   446(-13)   1988(-13)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   0(-2)  13(-1) 
  resolved  3(2)  9(-2) 38(-2) 185(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 869 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 38 changes in 1 month, and 310 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 11 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Kevin Suo made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Benes, Luke made 8 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (+0) import failure, 1(+0) export failures
  + last week’s value.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
  + down permanently ? Over a week being re-branded.  
+ forcepoint
  + fixed the last set of reports, lots of nullptr de-referencing
  + sent sample docs to AOO for reference.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + addressed a number of timeout issues
  + down to ~20 fuzzing issues there.
  + test case documents are sometimes used by other doc fuzzers
 + causing issues for other people

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 665 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 706 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 2002 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1053 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 714 (last 7 days) (-)

+ The crash report service was down for 2 days last weekend

+ Jmux & Michael worked on the virtual-pointer issue
+ discovered mpGraphics2 – was never freed on Windows
  since it was introduced in 2000 – the cause.
+ pushed patch to master & -6-0 – hopefully will improve.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 14 mentors so far (+8 pending)
   + would be good to check that people are responding to their mentor mails
   + if you want to mentor: add yourself to wiki page & check for invites.

 * GSoC schedule
   + Student Application Period: March 12 – 27
   + Application Review Period: March 27 - April 23
   + [libo] Deadline for EasyHack submission - March 31st  
   + [libo] Deadline for merge of EasyHack – April 7th 
   + Student Projects Announced: April 23
   + Community Bonding: April 23 - May 14
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22

   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Sophie, Caolan, Cloph, Christian, Eike, Stephan, Miklos, David
  Olivier, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Michael M, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)
+ do a libreoffice-6-0-1 branch on the tag (Christian)
+ get input from Sophie on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/ 
(Olivier)
   [ put Sophie on copy of the gerrit commit and Sophie +1’d ].

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 20
+ released as final earlier today
+ 6.0.3 – RC1 – 3 weeks out.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 update
+ tagged by Xisco yesterday
+ various builds up-loading
+ will up-load them today
+ 5.4.6 RC2 – week after next
+ Android
+ completed roll-out on the play store.  
+ Online
+ up-loaded a 6.0.2 final.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Updates in help contents (G. Kelemen, Tagezi, ohallot, caolan, Laurent 
BP, A Gelmini)
   + 35 patches
+ 92 open bugs on Help Contents (tdf#80430)
   + 5 closed
   + problems understanding many reporters. 
+ Improvements in help online reading (buovjaga)
   + New new-help meta bug - tdf#97629
   + Pending: packaging for distros for off-line use.
+ Changes from new GTK3 (caolan)
+ Books
   + resumed more chapters for final proofreading
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2)  20(5)  37(4)  112(5)  
 commented 29(-20)   179(-17)   459(-15)   2001(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(0)   14(0)  
  resolved  1(-2) 11(-1) 40(-4) 188(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 47 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 773 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 425 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 12 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  Ekansh Jha made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year

+ Blog posts for easyhackers about Set-up and Terminology
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/28/easyhacking-all-about-terminology/

  + Suggestion from l10n member to have a checkbox in Jenkins to approve 
texts
  + so experienced person checks text in new translatable strings.
  + prefer to get best-practice on strings written-up (Michael)
  + if we have police – want blocking policy on UX guidelines (Heiko)
   + joke.
  + nice to have people aware of everything but we don’t work this way.
  + what is the underlying complaint ? (Michael)
   + that we change things too often in the code (Heiko)
   + sounds like feature-not-bug to me (Michael)
  + encourage a mail to the dev list to give examples
of bad changes (Michael)

+ Should export to HTML keep formatting per white-space?
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115326
  + Recommendation: NOTOURBUG/WONTFIX
  + if someone has a patch they’re welcome to contribute (Michael)
  + similar issue with empty-paragraphs (Miklos)
  + we already insert a .

+ on vacation the next two weeks

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
  + can’t reproduce the export crash.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + oss-fuzz back online again
  + tried to splitup our fuzzers – since they were too large
+ had an individual config per fuzzer.
+ forcepoint runs, various credits in commits
  + do we continue to get good stuff ?

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 955 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 954 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 881 (last 7 days) (up)
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Michael M, Christian, Olivier, Miklos, Caolan
  Eike, Kendy, David, Kendy, Michael S, Jmux, Xisco, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 2 0
+ will be done by Xisco later today
+ a 1 RC only release.
+ move back to normal branching further down the release.
+ problems with crash-reporter (Michael)
AI:  + do a branch on the tag (Christian)
+ 6.0 kill ? (Heiko)
+ on our download page – have access to 6.0
+ not sure it is a problem – hard to find (Cloph, Michael)
 + will disappear when builds go from the mirror directory.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 tag Feb 27 next Tues. 
+ regular 2x RC schedule.
+ Android
+ roll out covers all users
+ crash reports looking much better
+ Online
+ should do a 6.0.2 RC1/final next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Catching up the help pages gap x features updates (ohallot, LaurentBP)
+ Published 3/8 Macro BASIC ref. cards (JF Nifenecker, ohallot)
   + written in French; now translated to English.
+ Resuming book review for Getting Started 6 (D. Barton, Jrodriguez, 
ohallot)
+ Please advise on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/
   + massive change, terminology: removing the word Runtime
   + is there a reason for that ? (Eike)
   + bothers the authors (Olivier)
   + “Runtime” doesn’t seem to be needed in text.
   + can we do this with a sed script across the translations ? 
(Michael)
   + yes, if only a script – but did translators translate it ? 
(Cloph)
   + if not – mostly tricky.
   + is “catagiries” in commit Categories in change? (Michael)
   + yes (Olivier)
AI:   + ask Sophie (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)15(-6) 33(-4) 107(-9) 
 commented 49(8)196(-37)   474(-28)   2016(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   14(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 12(1)  44(-2) 192(-23)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 782 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 286 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 19 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 433 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 65 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 85 changes in 1 year

  + Easyhacking: How to set up your environment

https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
   + collection of links to the wiki: so people can install code and hack 
on it
   + first of a series Heiko plans on this
   + since some GSOC students don’t know how to do it.

  + Improvements to Font Listing
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/18/improvements-font-listing/
   + outcome of design session last week
   + how to filter out un-interesting fonts in the font-name drop-down.
   + 3 options; poll in the blog – give your feedback to inform the devs
 ultimate decisions as they implement.

  + New backgrounds gallery theme in 6.1
   + Extensions for legacy bitmaps available
   + now can install the old background images via extensions.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ good news.
+ 4(+0) coverity
+ ?? 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
+ something wrong up-stream; not producing results.
+ unclear what changed; exception suggests no config files.
+ forcepoint – have been finding things in master
+ also in DLP libraries
+ finding some bits in filter-detection
+ lots of overlap between fuzzing & crash-testing & coverity
+ finding the same things.
+ added a fuzzer for PDF importing and finding bits in PDF export.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1004 (last 7 days) (down)
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Thorsten, Miklos, Sophie, Stephan, Heiko, Eike, Christian,
  Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Jmux

* Completed Action Items:
+ Check availability of people for GSOC / UI mentoring (Heiko) 
[ asked people and updated as explained ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 6.0.0 retrospective ?
  + crashes on windows quite a lot.
   + 6.0.1.1
  + tagged a build quickly here before release, and it does fix crashers.
  + test build for en_US on pre-release server
  + release builds available later today/tomorrow
  + starting a flatpak build too (Stephan)
  + will push to download pages without blocking on QA.
  + seems to fix the known crashes (Xisco)
 + thanks to V. Stuart & Buovjaga for testing.
   + 6.0.2 – at the time of what was 6.0.1 before this & renumber upwards.
  + keeping the schedule intact.
   + 5.4.5.1
  + releasing this as final – no fixes for RC2 anyway
  + pushing this as of now on the download page.
   + thanks to Caolan & team @ RedHat
  + will update pages on release.
   + Android
  + Beta version appears to have solved all the top crashes
  + need to check how many are using the beta. (260 as of today)
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + assumed in the air.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 320(320) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4) 17(3) 34(2)  111(2)  
 commented 63(18)   211(35)   492(-3)2078(8)  
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(0)  
  resolved  3(-2)15(1) 47(-5) 220(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 908 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 44 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 35 changes in 1 month, and 435 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 418 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 24 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 18 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year

   + Trouble with announced but missing features 
+ table styles depend on user settings
+ have to delete the user-directory to enable it.
+ special character was a decision
+ introduced a new button which is hidden, new one
  with floating widget is not visible.
+ some discussion on horizontal space here.
   + design people wanted to keep it.

   + Paragraph break
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
→ keep current state – the old way

   + Bypassing import dialogs
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74580
→ want a fast/default case for CSV import. Dropped needs-ux

   + ‘100 paper cuts’ GSoC project suggestion
+ ask on the design ML to submit their own top-10 cuts.
+ some sort of voting, to see what are relevant
+ get a prioritised list of student-solve-able topics.
+ some may be harder than easy-hacks.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0(-18) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
+ calc issues gone with different default
+ Dennis’ implicit intersection work ongoing.
+ can dig the docs out of previous crash-testing results.
   + using the BZ markup (Caolan)
   + should be there for some months.
+ mst has a fix for the 1 export issue. 
+ 4 (+0) coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
working on embedded font parsing
+ busy funding the same issues that crash-testing find.
+ fun font parsing bits ongoing.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 951 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1451 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2098 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1529 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 7 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 7966 (last 7 days) (up)
   

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2018-02-01

[Noel Grandin]

On 1 February 2018 at 18:54, Jan Holesovsky  wrote:

>
>
> * Budgeting (Thorsten)
> + collecting wish-lists:
> + get some fast new Macs and host at Manitu
> + gerrit updates
> + other ideas for development topics ?
>
>
SSDs for existing macs.

SSD for gerrit (I often find it slow, but maybe that's just my internet
connection).

Maybe Cloudflare or similar for our Manitu network would help people like
me at the other end of international links?
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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2018-02-01

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Cloph, Eike, Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Michael S.

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – status
+ tagged, on pre-releases, uploading
+ all went well
   + 6.0.0 retrospective ?
+ released yesterday, too early for retrospective :-)
   + 6.0.1 RC1
   + Android
+ beta versions pushed to Google Play, roll-out not limited, all
  betatesters will get it
   + Online
+ 6.0.0 RC3 source release is out.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Olivier traveling

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(-2) 14(1) 32(1)  109(0)  
 commented 45(-15)   176(14)   495(15)2070(11) 
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  2(0)   15(0)  
  resolved  5(2)  14(-1)52(1)  223(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 62 changes in 1 month, and 914 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 61 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 37 changes in 1 month, and 796 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 436 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 423 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 25 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 329 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 16 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year

  + Mockup for integrated math / formula editor property dialogs
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

  + Voting for update of (background/gallery) bitmaps
+ 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O0-09bhr0dHQ3VQTED2wFM9WBgEY5v-4VM7iMSS4BVY
+ please participate in the vote!

  + GSoC ideas updated
+ https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-GSoC_Ideas 
+ updated together with the design team
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ if you were mentoring the last year, check your status
   + AI: Check the availability of people for the UI tasks (Heiko) 

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 79(+3) import failure, 1(-3) export failures
+ disabled calc threading by default in master (Michael)
+ another run just ongoing (Caolan)
+ 4 (-3) coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ crashes gone, just leaks

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 924 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1451 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2098 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1569 (last 7 days) (up)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 941 (last 7 days) (-)

+ SfxSlotPool::GetSlotPool(SfxViewFrame *) seems to be fixed in 6.0.0

+ Most reported crash seems to be related to
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115268 
+ reproducible with the release, but not with bibisect :-(

* GSOC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   - Organization Applications Open: January 4
   - Organization Application Deadline: January 23
 /done
   + Organizations Announced: February 12
   + Student Application Period: March 12 - 27
   + Application Review Period: March 27 - April 23
   + Student Projects Announced: April 23
   + Community Bonding: April 23 - May 14
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22


* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for mentoring:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/01/16/tender-consultancy-libreoffice-feature-implementation-incl-site-development-training-201801-01/
+ layers issues – 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Samuel T, Heiko, Caolan, Christian,
  Michael M, Miklos, Kendy, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
+ tag planned Tuesday evening.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due this week
+ tagged & built, up-loaded to pre-release server
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ no late features left.
+ all patches are reviewed.
+ everything looks good for a final release next week.
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ builds prepared for ARM & Intel
+ looking good → play store as an alpha version
 + hopefully crash-rates will improve a lot.
   + Online
+ some patches needing review, before RC3

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + New Help:
   + More tweaks: index results pagination (buovjaga)
   + now supports all LO languages in page UI (Olivier)
   + pending: building packages for distribution
   + building msi / RPM / DEB
   + poking at scp2 but still WIP
   + can we bootstrap from existing help packs ? (Michael)
   + Updates on traditional help pages (Laurent BP, Adolpho, Olivier)
   + Info: 96 open bugs related to help page

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(4) 13(4) 31(-1) 109(0)  
 commented 60(26)   162(8)480(-34)   2059(-25)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(-3) 
  resolved  3(-2)15(-4)51(-3) 223(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 72 changes in 1 month, and 944 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 48 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 36 changes in 1 month, and 797 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 25 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 424 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year

   + LibO branding present at https://demo.identihub.co/project/libreoffice#/
   + organized by Albanian team (Ura Design)
   + possible issue with Vanilla in Mac app-store
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115206
+ internal file-dialog showing up 
   + thanks to Gülşah Köse for improvements to Calc context
 menus (48067, 47925, 48417)

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 76(-4) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ couple of new export failures fixed.
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
   + Dennis patch this week to work around one type
+ implicit intersection patch pending
+ 7 (-5) coverity
+ pretty stable.
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html seems to be tailing off finally
+ seems to be dying down here
+ very easy to get OOM with large col/row claims in tables
  + work-around patch in gerrit.
+ calc html and a few more outstanding.
+ most of the work on calc already done too.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 734 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1273 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 1764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1359 (last 7 days) (-)

+ Service down on Jan 21, 2018
+ fewer reports than usual – numbers look good.

* GSOC Application (Heiko)
+ finished registration
+ should be ready to submit this week.
+ page on wiki has been updated.
+ next deadline ? (including for ideas)

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Christian,
+ Samuel, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Thorsten, David, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit
 [ tested on Mac & Windows and will merge to master (Olivier) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + no release this week
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due next week
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ should all be in plus a bug-fix corner-case crash
 when people don’t have gpg installed, looks good for 6.0 ]
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ patches getting committed now; some reviews from Thorsten.
+ poking the Android tinderbox before doing a test release.
+ builds with bundled cairo: some memory wins (Michael)
   + Online
+ pending rc3 next.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Patch for activating new local help (olivier)
  + next: test packaging.
   + Books:
  + Still working on GS 6.0 book w/ community.
  + Started Calc Guide Update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4)  9(-2)32(-4) 109(-2) 
 commented 34(-11)   154(8)514(-25)   2084(-39)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  2(0)   18(-3) 
  resolved  5(3)  19(2) 54(1)  227(-7) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 56 changes in 1 month, and 985 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 39 changes in 1 month, and 803 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 399 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 414 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 10 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 9 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year

  + Discussed how direct formatting and styles are applied and reverted
+ (tdf#112852) with the suggestion of a style inspector
→ good topic for newbies
+ another one might be to rework shortcut assignment
+ KEY_A = A != KEY_ = some non-latin char

+ two new people are showing up looking for easyhacks
+ (Abhishek Shrivastava – quickstarter & another).

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 80(+2) import failure, 760 (+760) export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 12 coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html an exciting set

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1020 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2297 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (up)


* GSOC Application (Thorsten)
+ Markus working on it; deadline Tues 23rd
+ ~90% done

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for mentoring:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/01/16/tender-consultancy-libreoffice-feature-implementation-incl-site-development-training-201801-01/
+ layers issues – one a dup; a large problem domain here.
+ still looking for people who want help learning how to fix
  their problems interactively at a hackfest.

* mentoring/easyhack update
  committer...   1 week 1 month  3 months12 months   
  open  73(-3) 137(-13) 139(-15) 142(-15)
   reviews 604(-13)   1762(3)  5008(215)   18666(-9) 
merged 262(-51)   1062(-124)   3686(143)   12013(49) 
 abandoned  21(8) 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ jani, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, milian, Stephan, Heiko,
  Caolan, Cloph, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, David, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build
+ replaced on the mirrors; in download archive – respin in separate 
folder
  
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.4.4.2/win/x86/xp_respin/
 
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC2 (Xisco)
+ 8 patches in gerrit: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-6-0
+ tag & branch libreoffice-6-0-0 after the meeting
   + please review patches ASAP.
+ 2nd to last RC.
+ tripple review after the branch for libreoffice-6-0-0
+ one review for libreoffice-6-0
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – if not making
 the deadline for RC2 get it tripple reviewed.
 worst cases disable in the UI – but don’t expect that
 marketing should still market it ? (Michael)
+ yes (Thorsten) ].
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ progress, very close to being tested on master,
 needs patches approved & merged to master → 6.0
+ finished the intermediate files to activate help
+ fixed uno commands help too.
+ would appreciate help reviewing patch (Kendy)
+ Xisco giving good feedback.
+ tested it on Mac – with some problems.
+ does the help get into MSI files etc. ? (Michael)
+ should be an add-on, packaged in the same way.
+ Extended tips do they work ? (Cloph)
+ makefile that dtardon did, adds help tips
  to the new help
+ downside of sticking with old-style for 6.0 ? (Miklos)
+ want to improve the help content too (Olivier)
+ editing of help not a blocker (Kendy)
+ merge it ASAP to master, can switch master to it.
+ not a disaster not having it in 6.0, won’t block the
  help changes we want. ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ merged to 6-0 on monday ]
   + Android (Cloph)
   + some patches causing a conflict, regarding runtime permissions
   + pushed something to fix stray page borders (Michael)
   + proper fix for the rendering issue from Pranav.
   + Online
   + RC2 – needs doing.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + finally decided on book cover artwork
   + do we have time for a run-off (?)
   + Localization of online UI

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 11(-1)36(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 45(11)   146(-2)   539(-19)   2123(-46)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  2(-3)17(-1)53(-3) 234(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 1006 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 344 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 786 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 92 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 8 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 1 year

 * HIG: “Provide tooltips for unlabeled controls or when the label doesn't make 
the function perfectly clear.”
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/PropertyDialog
   + state of our art

 * Paragraph selection with or without breaks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
   + discussion in progress

 * Update of recovery dialog
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114508
   + mockup provided
   + weird workflow in the dialog.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 78(+0) import failure, 0 export failures
+ as before christmas - still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 4 (-1) 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael M, Miklos, Michael S,
  Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask quikee what he recommends on svg icons on dev list (Heiko)
[ quikee – on ML; some issues – when the bugs are solved,
  we should switch to SVG – plan to make it fully functional. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build (?)
   + 5.4.5 
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ merged option with scary message ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Several fixes / additions for help pages contents (Olivier)
+ Patch to open new help locally (Kendy, Olivier, Tomaz)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47383/1
+ Needs a bit of advice there.
+ how to set a timer to wait for browser opening.
+ can’t erase the /tmp file before the browser uses it.
+ is this generated on the fly ? (Michael)
 + can’t use the file:/// protocol (Olivier)
   or it opens it inside the file manager
   then open shell with this HTML file.
+ delete temporary folder on exit of LibreOffice (Kendy)
 + easy to catch with a ‘static’ object destructor.
 + already working as-is temp files are cleaned on exit 
(Olivier)
+ better help page layout and display from UX (Andreas K, Buovjaga) .
+ coming real soon 
+ Open question: we use Javascript in our new help pages
+ do users complain wrt. Having NoScript enabled in browser. 
+ should we address this too ?
+ leave this for later / wontfix ?
+ dynamically adapt content for platforms with JS
+ no problem with noscript expected (Kendy)
 + should be able to generate page that works even with no JS
+ Resuming book edition for 6.0 Getting started next Monday.
AI: + review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 12(1)  38(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 34(-1)   148(-13)   558(1) 2169(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  1(-1)  2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  5(1) 18(-2) 56(1)  240(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 54 changes in 1 month, and 1039 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 31 changes in 1 month, and 780 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 406 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 350 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 17 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 180 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 17 changes in 1 month, and 225 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 11 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 9 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year

+ reworking the color palette based on real math now
+ confusion of what is purple vs. indigo at the start
+ all being re-done; will look similar – but with exact values change
+ will need to adjust gradients, table styles etc.
+ rearranging controls in the customization dialog
+ to have labels on all controls, improves a11y too.
+ looking for code review on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46971/
+ tooltips for track-changes, seeking a reviewer.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 
+ 81 (-9) import failure, 0 export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 8? (-6) coverity
+ ?? fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html newly added
+ calc 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Olivier, Eike, Michael M, Heiko, Sophie, Cloph,
  Miklos, Kendy, Caolán, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ remove internal file-picker from the options page (Heiko)
+ add internal file-picker removal to “pending removal”
  release-notes in 6.0 (Heiko)
   + ticket for discussion; Rene has concerns
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114484
 commit comment was misleading just disabled file (Michael)
   + the internal print dialog is not shown at all, see comment on
 ticket (Heiko) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 RC2
+ released as final yesterday.
+ issue installing on WinXP – forgot the SDK switch to enable it.
   + builds are running, and will replace builds on mirrors when done
   + re-doing and replace & announce on twitter.
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ disabled threading by default for 6.0
 not got this setting in ? (Michael)
+ apparently patch in 6-0 (Eike)
  + fine with keeping it in if translators are happy
  + no problem (Sophie)
+ seems its not in – lets push it but mark it highly
  experimental (Eike) ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
+ patch for unified headers don’t switch to llvm on ARM
+ working for Intel & ARM – but still in gerrit
+ along with patches avoiding Nnullptr exceptions loading docs.
   + Online
+ 6.0.0 RC1 source up-loaded
+ ongoing fixing & polish there.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Working on the XSLT transformation to get relative paths for help
  + same pages will serve local and online versions
   + Several corrections and additions to help pages
   + Working on the LO call to the local help in HTML
   + Guides 6.0: Stalled. Holliday season
   + found issue with online docs (Stephan)
  + start page – get a re-direct to somewhere with no-redirect token
  + something broke; filed a red-mine ticket.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  2(0) 10(-1) 39(-4) 109(-5) 
 commented 26(-6)   152(-25)   538(-36)   2192(-68)
   removed  0(0)  2(0)   3(-2)  21(0)  
  resolved  5(2) 20(0)  58(2)  243(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 1059 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 30 changes in 1 month, and 785 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 22 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 352 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 409 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 16 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 13 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year

  + late changes to Draw main menu
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46867/
   + could also be done without string changes
   + getting very late wrt. freezes (Michael)
   + lets not make a habit of it.
   + if several strings – not important to break freeze (Sophie)
   + can we get it in without the string changes ? (Heiko)
   => lets keep it as is – and do it in -6-1

  + new default colors for shapes, problem with unit tests
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112541
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/unit-test-for-COL-DEFAULT-SHAPE-FILLING-tt4229400.html
+ changing the default color – to have a different non-sky-blue name
   + have to 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Heiko, Olivier, Sophie, Miklos, Xisco, Caolan,
  Thorsten, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 2 status
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ largely done, problems decrypting ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ Shinnok is progressing with the scripts ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ add to allow enabling if people want it ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ will provide builds for testers ]
   + 6.0 RC1 – freeze next Tues Dec 19th
   + 5.4.4 RC2 status
   + Android
+ have a patch for unified headers
+ using llvm C++ crashes on ARM, so using GNU stl for ARM for now.
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Many fixes in help pages, mostly typos and updates (O Hallot, G. 
Kelemen, Fitoshido)
 + New help pages on Presenter Console and Calc’s data form.
 + New Help Makefiles landed thanks to David Tardon
   + working nicely.
   + need to connect LibreOffice to this new help.
   + some sfx2 / sfxhelp.cxx goodness needed.
 + Getting Started Guide stalled.
 + FOSDEM talk accepted.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC
   + working nicely with 11 people
   + awesome quality (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 16 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Krot, Serge made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
   + Gradients submitted
+ some clang compilation problem.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46428/
+ UITest_writer_demo failure, probably caused by the change after 
all
   + Elementary icons submitted
+ people working on them; people working on them. 
   + string changes:
+ planning terminology changes for bullet list styles,
+ changing List 1 → Roman List Lowercase
+ formats at find dialog, and customization
+ renaming bits here.
+ getting them ready before the hard string freeze.
   + proposing to flag internal file picker dialogs obsolete
 + many tickets on this topic (tdf#87860), bad usability
 + reasons for the dialog were kde4 – will have Qt5 dialog
 + concept of self-made file-picker not working.
 + we have CMIS dialogs for access to remote servers.
+ Open Remote Files eg.
 + what about http:// webdav URLs ? (Eike)
+ expect open-from-remote to replace that (Thorsten)
 => remove the option from the options page.
+ release-note – add to 6.0 “pending removal” list for 6.1
 + the ‘gen’ backend depends on generic file-picker (Caolan)
+ cancelled plan to drop it for now though.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 143 import failure, 38 export failures
+ mstahl has fixed the exports
+ Calc threading crashers (Dennis on it)
+ believe all import crashers are calc
+ MATCH changes dependencies → black-list
+ TextSearch issue, implicit intersection ...
+ 6 coverity
+ 3 old lingering java warnings, see list mail fix/ignore etc.
+ Java lovers’ input appreciated.
+ 43 (+1) fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl)
+ latest is mathtype
+ digging these out of parent documents.
+ (writer) html next but can’t even get a short local run bug free yet
+ leaves calc html import as the last one to do.
+ including two filters here.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Xisco, Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan,
  Eike, Christian, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Shinnok, Norbert

* Completed Action Items:
+ look into ulimit -c unlimited-ness on CI slaves (Cloph)
[ done: only 2x didn’t have it set – the others did already.
  Not seen issue again yet (Stephan) ]
+ check for increased crashes when enabling 5.4.3 updating (Christian)
[ not live yet – but will poke Xisco when it is ]
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
[ dropped ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 1
+ tagging delayed until Saturday
   + fixes related win signing / actually packaging etc.
   + got packages for the bug-hunting session
   + a few manual disables of unit tests for windows
   + curl update makes test fail, and win file locking too.
   + now tests non-fatal if can’t delete file thanks to Stephan.
   + back-port to 6.0 if possible (Cloph)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ started looking at scripts (Shinnok)
+ poked at portability issues.
+ will work with Olivier to fix details.
 Like David T’s approach (Kendy)
+ lets have a CustomTarget to start with first
+ good to sync with him first ‘dtardon’ ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara finished it so macros & styles work,
 ready to submit, Bubli reviewing ]
   + 6.0 Beta 2 (optional)
+ due next week in case late-features / big fixes are ready.
+ otherwise, no pressing reason to do one.
+ issue with Mac: Impress/Draw not working: hard to test
   + 5.4.4 RC1: this week
+ not tagged yet, quite a few patches in the queue to review.
+ 9 are left, should be easy to review.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4 
   + Android
+ have a workaround for the rendering issue in gerrit.
+ disabling the charts on top of tiles as a workaround.
+ have a build with those fixes for QA to test.
   + Online
+ branched and source pushed.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Submit papers: **deadline this Monday: Dec 4**
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Submitted ?
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + Heiko - Proposal for better font handling in LibreOffice
   + Xisco – LibreOffice QA - One Year Overview.
   + Talks ?
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + mkara - Customization 
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help online
   + remarks on makefiles by D. Tardon
   + some progress with shinnok
   + patch for better UI (G. Chiquinni)
+ Getting start book:
   + progressing towards 6.0, features already set.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC ?
   + BoD & design people using it for meetings
   + Staff meeting going well with 8-9 people (Xisco)
   + audio is better without cameras (Olivier)
   + would this be ok for phone people ?
   + Stephan, Eike, Sophie, ...
   => try it next time.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Christian, Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Kendy, Stephan, Mike S,
  Xisco, Samuel, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask Norbert wrt. Bisect repos for Mac (Michael)
[ same tooling & commands as on Linux, Windows
+ opened a redmine ticket (Xisco)
+ 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2412#change-13809
+ discussing locally or in a data-center ]
+ mail devs asking if they’d like to be certified (Stephan)
+ script a ‘make check’ clang-format option (Miklos)
[ thanks to Markus for helping & deploying LODE changes ]
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
[ dropped ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ abandoned for now ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ back from vacation
+ 6.0 Beta 1 update & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ this week will branch for 6.0
   + asked to wait for some fixes.
   + one pending from Samuel this evening
   + splash screen bits too ? (Heiko)
   + like to have it in the Beta.
   + HTML help won’t be ready for B1
   + GPG bits are submitted, but need gcc/cygwin compiler to build.
   + is it a new compile dependency ? (Michael)
   + tried hard not to rely on it (Cloph)
   + think a permanent requirement
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ will do the make integration (Cloph)
 have scripts that work (Olivier) ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Samuel)
   [ is now in, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc threading bits (Michael)
   [ merged, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ unlikely to make it – needs more design work ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara submitted a new patch, it was accepted
 missing piece is macros – still working on it.
 Styles are working, but macros are missing. ]
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th)
+ next week.
   + Android
+ patches to use NDK16 and unified headers this introduces
+ font rendering issue still a problem.
   + Online
+ branch and beta source archive coming.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Papers deadline Dec 4
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Coming:
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Heiko - ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Mike S – planning to interview people, bringing the camera
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Xisco – talk to pentabarf quietly.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + lots of people coming to help: cloph, dtardon, shinnok
   + talk and action with Mike Saunders to set a prototype XHP editor
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + Last meeting was adjourned due to connectivity issues. Resume next 
Monday.
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
261(261) (topicUI) bugs open, 369(369) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(2) 17(-3) 46(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 62(23)   225(-47)   629(-2)2410(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   4(-1)  19(-1) 
  resolved  6(4) 22(1)  54(2)  244(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 102 changes in 1 month, and 825 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 82 changes in 1 month, and 1125 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 68 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 y
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 32 changes in 1 month, and 429 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 31 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 20 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 19 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Michael M, Stephan, Kendy, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan, Miklos,
  Eike, Shinnok, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0 Beta 1 & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   [ still working to integrate some scripts into Makefiles 
(Olivier)
  concern wrt. this getting finished (Kendy)
 anyone interested could help Olivier with gnumake ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   [ still not in yet ]
   + bundling GPG-4-Win ? (Thorsten)
   [ removing this item – will link on website somewhere ]
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   [ had a call, minutes on the list, doing last fixing before merge
 SvNumberFormatter locking needs fixing first
  + plan to have it enabled for beta (Eike)
 + disabled / experimental for release (Eike) ].
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   [ ignore this as a late-feature ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ looking for help to get this integrated ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   + mkara will try to submit a new patch by Monday
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th) 
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + Patch need advise for further improvements and developments
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/44793/ 
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + cover being voted until next Sunday (19)
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 375(375) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3) 20(0) 47(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 39(-33)   272(4)631(-43)   2419(-26)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  5(0)   20(-1) 
  resolved  2(-5) 21(-4)52(-3) 241(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 145 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 117 changes in 1 month, and 1153 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 56 changes in 1 month, and 383 changes in 
1 y
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 428 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 37 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 18 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 400 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
+ lots of discussion in UX call yesterday
+ Frames set to wrap-trough will be transparent by default tdf#71920
+ UX tweak to the defaults for frames (but not shapes, images)

+ Concerns to use the newly bundled Liberation font in templates
+ instead of Arial/Times? Or rather go with
   Calibri/Cambria/Carlito/Caladea | Noto.
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43625/
+ not blocking it (Kendy)
   + previously the shell extension used Arial
   + concern wrt. metric compatibility
+ don’t create documents as if they’re from a different program (Heiko)
   + Liberation good for branding.
=> go with new templates as is.

* clang-format-ness review (Miklos)
+ discussed versions situation with sberg
   => will give-up on supporting mutiple versions
   + git hook only works with 5.0.0 stable version
+ prints a warning if you modify a non-black-list file.
   + prints out a link to the binaries
+ would be nice to progress on gerrit integration
   + is it useful to have a script in core to validate the latest commit ?
   + ci 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Lionel, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Kendy, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ build new binary table style file for 32bits (Heiko)
[ Michael S patched things so it works now, all working again,
  Nightly builds have the new styles now. ]
+ provide / check web-page on dev certification process (Kendy)
[ poked Italo to find out what to check – unclear (Kendy)
  no idea what this was either (Sophie)
  → drop the task. ]
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
[ have one name without running the script ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 5.4.3 RC2 released today
+ 5.3.7 RC2 released as final last week
+ 6.0 Alpha1 status
+ 6.0 Beta 1 & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ late featuresken
   + HTML help pieces (Kendy)
  [ still working to integrate some scripts into Makefiles (Olivier)
  expect to have it working soon tomorrow / monday ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
  [ will have a public call next week for those interested ]
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   + can’t build on baseline anyway (Michael S)
   + bundling GPG-4-Win ? (Thorsten)
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   + missing piece from customization GSOC (Heiko)
   + in past – could assign a macro command to a menu / toolbar item
   + currently master has a significant regression ?
   + really important (Xisco, Lionel, Michael)
   + if you see office suite as a RAD base (Lionel)
   + essential for custom business apps 
   + mkara has a patch to fix this:
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/42594/
   + queries on impl. from Bubli.
   + if not ready for 6.0 – we revert it;
 give some grace post feature-freeze perhaps.
   + could it be experimental perhaps & have the old ver ? (Kendy)
+ Updating service – expected to miss 6.0 (Cloph)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New fixes in help pages by G. Kelemen, M. Kaganski
+ Still working on new help packaging Makefiles (Olivier)
+ Started to work on an online XHP editor (Mike)
  + Contacted Jean Spiteri (liongold) and Ilmari (buovjaga) for 
assistance  and collecting ideas (Mike)
+ Documentation team now looking for latest features to add contents to 
guide
+ Please add new features to wiki page.
+ Vote for next book cover blog post (Heiko)
  + Please vote! 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/11/08/cover-for-libreoffice/ 
  + can Olivier monitor and answer comments

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
261(261) (topicUI) bugs open, 383(383) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(5) 20(0) 48(5)  118(3)  
 commented 72(27)   268(38)   674(109)   2445(77) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  5(-1)  21(0)  
  resolved  7(1) 25(2) 55(0)  240(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 152 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 116 changes in 1 month, and 1163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 48 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 48 changes in 1 month, and 384 changes in 
1 y
  Cor Nouws made 46 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 34 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 407 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year

+ new default table style
+ new meeting time (evening either today or yesterday)
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Heiko, Stephan, Christian, Michael M,
  Sophie, Michael S, Caolán, Mike Saunders, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Miklos, Eike, Shinnok

* Completed Action Items:
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
[ patch appears to work, but we already have them in the installer
  if you do an admin-install they are already installed.
  we ship them twice – once as LibreOffice, but once as a run-time 
module
  not entirely elegant.
  for 5.4 – merge it as-is, for 6.0 do something clever.
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/tdf_108580/

]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ working actively on this (Olivier)
  expect to have a solution quite fast.
  WIP patch pushed to gerrit for core/ (Kendy)
  checks if HTML help is installed or not,
  will add opening of pages later
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43963/ 
]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
[ have one name without running the script ]
+ provide / check web-page on dev certification process (Kendy)
[ poke Italo to find out what to check (Kendy) ]
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.3 RC2
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4-3 
  10 patches waiting
+ plan to tag this evening
+ please help review things.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 released as final today
  Resolves: tdf#111428 implement CellStoreEvent::swap() in 
ScColumn::SwapCol()
  possible ugly bug – 5.3.8 ?
+ Eike found a nasty bug, is it enough to do a 5.3.8
+ can lead to non-re-calculated values; would be nice to fix in 5.3
+ do we need a new release ? (Michael)
+ fixed in released 5.4.3 bits
+ merge it to the -5-3 branch in case of new release ?
+ quite a specific scenario (Eike)
   + would like to get it out if we can.
+ fine to encourage people to use 5.4 (Cloph)
   + move people to 5.4 a bit earlier too perhaps.
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 6.0 feature freeze: week 47 (Nov 20th)
+ late features
+ HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   + can’t build on baseline anyway (Michael S)
   + bundling GPG-4-Win – a 25Mb package for GPG
 encrypt/sign for Win? (Thorsten)
   + pointer for an extra download ?
   + License ? (Michael)
   + mix of GPL/LGPL (Thorsten)
   + want access to encryption reasonably easily
   + maintenance / security updates etc. an issue.
   + 10% increase – for perhaps minority benefit.
AI:+ mail the list (Thorsten)
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
+ Updating service – expected to miss 6.0 (Cloph)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Broke large script for new help into smaller pieces
+ aim to make easy for build and packaging integration
+ looking into how to hack a makefile
+ https://goo.gl/A8dGVf
+ resuming book editing with doc community for 6.0
+ cover of the book – is under discussion.
+ looking at XML editor for help + workflow (Mike S)
+ a bunch of technical things to investigate here.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 395(395) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-7) 20(-3)43(-1) 115(-2) 
 commented 45(-32)   230(17)   565(17)2368(-14)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  6(0)   21(-1) 
  resolved  6(-1) 23(4) 55(-6) 238(-20)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 134 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 113 changes in 1 month, and 1203 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 57 changes in 1 month, and 475 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 40 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2017-10-26

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Shinok, Thorsten, Xisco, Miklos, Cloph, Stephan, Heiko, Michael S
  Eike, Yousuf, Armin

* Completed Action Items:
+ enable commit & send invite mail to Serge Krot (Thorsten)
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
+ provide / check docs on dev certification process (Kendy)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, but not the breakdown termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
[ patch in progress, but verification is still in progress 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/tdf_108580/
  ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this ]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ still working on this ]
   + it will be python (Olivier)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.3 RC2
+ 5.3.7 RC2 is tagged, on pre-releases server (except Windows)
  + looking forward to drop the old Windows baseline
  + to be announced next week
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 6.0 feature freeze: week 47 (Nov 20th)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
  + intensive discussion in Rome
  + with Kendy and Mike Saunders
+ trying to get everything together in a single format
+ possibly will use XHP
+ need to work on tools (and retire old/buggy ones)
  + plan: remove old-offline help in 6.0
+ from 6.0, offline help would be in-browser help as well
+ does it require connectivity? (Xisco)
  + no, can view offline html in-browser (Olivier)
  + XHP would be the source of on-line help and printed material as well
  + find wysiwyg editor for XHP
  + workflow based on git
  + concern that uno command descriptions get lost (Heiko)
+ has to be considered (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 396(396) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(6) 23(4) 44(9)  117(7)  
 commented 83(41)   219(39)   561(36)2403(-16)
   removed  0(0)  0(-4) 6(0)   22(-3) 
  resolved  7(3) 19(1) 61(-8) 258(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 132 changes in 1 month, and 880 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 109 changes in 1 month, and 1190 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 56 changes in 1 month, and 476 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 43 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 42 changes in 1 month, and 427 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 16 changes in 1 month, and 373 changes in 
1 y
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 76 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 12 changes in 1 month, and 56 changes in 1 year
  Frédéric MASSOT made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Stéphane Aulery made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

   + blog post about icon theme extension published
  
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/10/23/how-to-bundle-icon-themes/

   + blog post about bullets/numbering in Impress in proof-reading

   + update bundled fonts
 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103080
 + remove Libertine (unmaintained, bulky)  
 + remove DejaVu (old, limited unicode coverage) 
 + remove OpenSans (looks like Noto, limited unicode support)
 + add a selection of Noto

 + concern wrt breaking existing documents (Miklos)
   + shares the concern (Xisco)
 + breaking one third of users sounds bad (Cloph)
 + never removing sounds bad (Heiko)
   + not too user-friendly (Thorsten)
 + what is the cost? just some disk space
 + lack of easy way to see missing (but used) fonts (Miklos)
   + on linux you get a popup (Thorsten)
 + DejaVu also replaced Bitstream Vera in the past (Yousuf)
   + not a representative example, they are metric-compatible (Michael S)
   + was handled with font name mapping in configuration
 + feel not so happy about this, bad impact on users (Thorsten)
 + fonts in extensions? (Heiko)
   + not happy extending the extension mechanism this way (Stephan)

 => currently removing bundled fonts is not welcome
 
   + Default line spacing from 100 to 115%
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94464 

   + Spacing between cols in Writer from 0 to 0.5cm
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67670 

   + new 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2017-10-19

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present: Caolán, Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Kendy, Sophie, Stephan, Christian, 
Michael S., Eike, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ switch default to x86_64 / Windows for testing & pre-releases of 6.0 
(Cloph)
[ enabled for all versions – but only for new downloads, not via the 
update
check ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, but not the breakdown ]
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
[ patch in progress, but not verified yet ]
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today ]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ still working on this ]
   + it will be python (Olivier)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.3 RC1 this week
+ tagged, only the win32bit missing; the rest uploaded
+ will upload after the call
+ 5.3.7 RC2 - 1 week after conference.
+ shifted, will be the next week
+ 6.0 Alpha1 – this week
+ 6.0 feature freeze: week 47 (Nov 20th)
+ tagged now – earlier today
+ there will be bughunting session
+ Android
+ found another breakage – nss related
+ issue with rendering
+ Tomaz will have a look soon
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Olivier on vacation

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 392(392) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  3(-3) 19(1)  35(2)  110(-2) 
 commented 42(-13)   180(-30)   525(9) 2419(-82)
   removed  0(0)   4(0)   6(-1)  25(-2) 
  resolved  4(-1) 18(0)  69(-4) 257(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 100 changes in 1 month, and 999 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 1160 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 470 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 45 changes in 1 month, and 453 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 363 changes in 
1 y
  Budea, Áron made 12 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 12 changes in 1 month, and 203 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 10 changes in 1 month, and 24 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year

+ potential issue with joined characters in 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113134
+ joining characters in Hebrew; might be broken in ODF…
+ surprising that appeared now, not earlier (Heiko)
+ still catching up with the email + notes from the conference (Heiko)

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 3 import failures, 1 export failures
- cannot reproduce locally (Caolán)
+ 6 coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: 34 fuzzers active now
- nearly finished shrinking fuzzer sizes to allow more to be built
- working through locally enabled ubsan fuzzers to allow that to be
  enabled upstream. One undefined shift in libstdc++ from mersenne 
random
  number generator
- unreproducible issues are closed 14 days after they stop appearing

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1527 (last 7 days)
  + numbers falling for 5.3.x

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.1.2
+ 3168 (last 7 days)
+ crashes has doubled since Friday 13th, October due to a crash 
in the update checker
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113225
+ mmeeks believes is fixed after Caolan’s epoxy work

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.2.2
  + 598 (last 7 days )
+ NEW to 5.4.2.2 
http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/ScEditEngineDefaulter::SetDefaultItem(SfxPoolItem%20const%20&;)
+ Xisco will look at reproducing it.
  + after c5fcab1ec72be1cf2868215ee71d3cb2668498c1 ?
  + but cannot reproduce it – so not 100% sure :-(

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
+ new plan from Bjoern:
   + 
https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/hackfests-the-next-generation/
 + trying to get these going
 + had a meeting; minutes posted to board-discuss

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M, 
Stephan, Sophie,
  Christian, Eike, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ bisect and analyze bug#112558 (Xisco)
[ Bisected - it points to the Khaled patch: 
34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a
  affects Calc - and reproducible onlt with some fonts,
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112558 ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation / for 6.0 
(Olivier)
[ still working on this, lets discuss next week. ]
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today ]
+ switch default to x86_64 / Windows for testing & pre-releases of 6.0 
(Cloph)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC2 status
+ on mirrors as final, to be announced in the next minutes
+ release-note 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108580 ?
+ added it to the release-notes (Thorsten)
+ no good way to solve this (apparently) - MS don't know either
+ if its missing LibreOffice won't run
+ can ship the DLLs in the tree, or ask the user to install a MS
  re-distributable.
 + VS 2015 re-distributables not everywhere -> the problem.
 + we used to ship them (Michael)
 + was a nicer merge-module in the past (Thorsten)
 + VS 2015 upgrade problem - beggars belief...
=> cheapiest / easiest - is to bundle the DLLs with the build.
AI: + ship the DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
+ sad, but should be easy to do.
+ which systems are lacking this DLL ? (Michael S)
+ de-active updates, and not instal updates or ? ...
+ if not installed, not updated, but not there with a blank 
windows
+ might / usually comes pre-loaded with other software.
+ pristine Win 10 - had this issue.
+ thought the idea of the split here was to make it work 
automatically
+ 5.3.7 RC1 status
+ built and up-loaded to testing, ready for early-testing announce.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 - 1 week after conference.
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 1 week after the conference
+ 6 week gap from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1 ?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0
+ ideal to have 3-4 week after release instead;
=> adjust to 3 weeks; Christian to do something sensible.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ UX team advising on New Help usability / layout (Yousuf)
   + https://goo.gl/qrPQyW
   + Several easyhacks published (Olivier)
   + Brazilians students contributing (Gabriel, Nigel)
+ Documentation team progressing in updating book (Dave, Olivier)
   + going well
+ Published wiki page for code snippets of help files (XHP)
+ Brazilian community getting interest in writing help page contents
 + e.g. pivot charts, XML streams, Presenter Console, Calc Forms

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 396(396) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months   
 added  6(3) 18(-1)31(1)  116(-5)  
 commented 37(13)   206(-6)   491(-22)   2534(-139)
   removed  0(-2) 5(1)  7(1)   30(-3)  
  resolved  3(-1)15(-2)70(3)  269(-1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 100 changes in 1 month, and 1271 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 61 changes in 1 month, and 1151 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 55 changes in 1 month, and 472 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 44 changes in 1 month, and 462 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 42 changes in 1 month, and 370 changes in 
1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Ionita, Teodor-Mircea made 14 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 
year
  Kara, Muhammet made 11 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 11 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
  ^^^ - scripting bug for Shinnok

+ Again not enough people in the weekly meeting to make decisions
+ Mascot voting continues:
+ 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/09/28/libreoffice-mascot/
+ 63 proposals for thumbs up/down.
+ 25k participants of that 10k voted on all
 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2017-09-21

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present
+ Stephan, Armin, Caolán, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Xisco, Kendy, Eike,
  Christian, Sophie, Jan-Marek, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ Added ‘top 10 bugs confirmers’ to the esc minutes (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today ]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ still working on this ]
+ look at breakpad symbol issue for crash-reporting (Christian)
[ symbols look correct, trying to upgrade breakpad, maybe size 
limitation?
  Still investigating ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC2 status
+ available for download 
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled 
+ 6.0 Alpha1 – moved to after the conference
+ 1 week after the conference
+ Android
+ debugging a crash
+ problem with freetype
+ probably not a new problem? (Miklos)
+ crashes even with an example document from the About dialog 
(Cloph)
+ which used to work (Cloph)
+ Online - RC2

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ More help pages updates (Olivier)
+ terminology, new dialog pages
+ Helponline:
+ script tweaks
+ Added more languages support in UI and Custom Search
+ Pro package
+ Help is an essential part of the software (htieze)
+ Security concerns on extension installation in corp env.
+ Extension website “not nice”
+ preserve current download + donation process
+ Pro extension
+ technically easy
+ can loose donation will from users
=> keep MSI as the package on Windows, and other platform’s packaging 
too
 + Books and literature
 + Guide 6.0 on going

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 407(407) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months   
 added  5(-1) 20(2) 33(-1) 126(-4)  
 commented 47(-39)   220(-2)   533(-4)2800(-127)
   removed  1(0)   2(1)  5(0)   33(-7)  
  resolved  3(-3) 17(-4)68(-4) 282(-7)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 1470 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 66 changes in 1 month, and 464 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 50 changes in 1 month, and 1283 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 45 changes in 1 month, and 446 changes in 
1 y
  Foote, V Stuart made 42 changes in 1 month, and 512 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 34 changes in 1 month, and 350 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 22 changes in 1 month, and 70 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 19 changes in 1 month, and 54 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 286 changes in 1 year
  Ionita, Teodor-Mircea made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 
y
   * HIG draft for selections “Use controls for selection depending on content.”
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection 
  + please review esp. actions

* CrashHunting (Caolan)
+ 2 import failures, 0 export failures
+ fixed a lot the last week
+ 7 coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: 33 fuzzers active now
- fodt and fods newly added
- mostly leaks when exceptions thrown

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 896 (last 7 days)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.0.3
+ 4998 (last 7 days)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.1.2
+ 2666 (last 7 days)
  + Most reported bug ( apart from mergedlo.dll) fixed.
+ breakpad debuginfo / dumping issue cf. Markus’ list post

* Hackfests & Events (Bubli)
+ new plan from Bjoern:
   + 
https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/hackfests-the-next-generation/
 + another kickoff call September 17th at 14:30 UTC  for planning.
+ LibreOffice Conference
 + hacknight on Thu evening (Sophie)
+ had a phone call, plan is to have a Hackfest in Hamburg (Eike)
+ Hamburg – 1st new-style hackfest
 + 9th - 10th December
 + just after feature freeze / branch-off / Beta1
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG (Eike)
+ FOSDEM
 + beginning of February
+ Milano? - or somewhere else in Italy - 2nd new-style hackfest
 + in March 

* 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

And apologies again for forgetting to send these out immediately:

* Present
+ Stephan, Jan-Marek, Xisco, Olivier, Sophie, Michael M, Christian, Heiko
  Caolan, Eike, Kendy, Teodor, Michael S, Bubli

* Completed Action Items:
+ restore commit bit + mail (Kendy, Michael)
+ font issues (Xisco)
 [ http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136092
 + picture comes from Thomas – but nothing reported (Xisco)
  + suspend this then.
 + telegram guy says “everything solved” (Heiko)
  + want to buy flowers for Caolan ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today,
  add - enable/disable doxygen / gettext in the wiki ?
  do we recommend a check build for newcomers ?
  + yes – unit testing is important (Michael)
 + will send details on failing CVE test to the list (Shinnok)
 + compiling on Linux – no problems with default (Heiko)
+ on Mac he has to build with –no-build-check
+ also see this regularly (Stephan)
  + got a configuration from Caolan’s tinderbox
  + have pending Mac fix patches (Jmux)
 + pending monotonic ticks patch
  + can we add homebrew in parallel to MacPorts ? (Shinnok)
  + easy to link against homebrew by mistake (Cloph)
 + only autoconf/automake/make etc.
 + if we have macports already, not against homebrew
  + don’t we recommend LODE on Mac ? (Stephan)
 + surely why we created LODE in the 1st instance.
  => if we invest time – invest it in improving LODE on Mac ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC1 status
+ branch & creating RC1
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4 
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 6.0 Alpha1 – moved to after the conference
+ Android
+ not rendering anything except blankness & white-ness
+ some fixes went in nevertheless, but blocking a new release.
+ Tomaz may have a clue – bisected to a specific commit
+ should we build a bibisect repo ? (Michael)
+ compression and/or signature a problem (Kendy)
+ Online
+ create an RC2 later.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + unexpected surgery early this week, recovering well
 + helponline now with tweaked custom search by Google
 + Language segmentation
 + No ads
 + all results in the LibreOffice domain
 + Doc team working on the 6.0 Guides. 
 + revisions and proofreading
 + monitoring Release notes 6.0 for additions.
 + Initial discussion on a rich text XHP editor (Jean Spiteri).
 + how far are we from using the HTML for off-line help (Kendy)
 + alpha is getting close.
 + we are quite close (Olivier)
+ need some skills in C++ to invoke off-line pages in the software
+ can help out with this (Kendy)
+ more worried about packaging, installation etc.
+ a tree of HTML pages that will be compressed & packaged
+ 40MB of disk-space
+ could be an MSI file, or an extension
+ don’t have the knowledge of how to build the files.
+ need to tweak vnd.com.star.sun to a browser understood 
protocol
AI:  + research the best way to build this (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 407(407) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(0) 18(-1)34(2)  130(-3) 
 commented 86(46)   222(42)   537(62)2927(-25)
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  5(1)   40(-3) 
  resolved  6(1) 21(-1)72(4)  289(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 107 changes in 1 month, and 1586 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 68 changes in 1 month, and 463 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 54 changes in 1 month, and 1350 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 300 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 36 changes in 1 month, and 379 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 33 changes in 1 month, and 70 changes in 
1 y
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 30 changes in 1 month, and 490 changes in 
1 y
  dieterp made 14 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Seemingly I forgot to post these last Thursday: apologies !

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Miklos, Kendy, Caolan, Olivier, Shinnok, Xisco, Michael M,
  Stephan, Eike, Jan-Marek, Sophie, Heiko, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ submitted an ESC / architecture discussion talk (Michael)
+ send a nice mail explaining cleanup commit issues (Michael)
+ simplify & update dev-central build details & link to wiki (Shinnok)
 [ found the repo, looked at the code – could simplify it and 
   have pointers to the wiki – doing it as lower prio. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
 [ need to re-compile to find the errors and/or transcribe the text.
   How many tinderboxes on Mac ?
 + three – should have configure line there (Thorsten)
 + both Jenkins and non-Jenkins builders look different (Michael) ]
+ font issues
 [ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
 + have a deeper look / hunt for solutions (Xisco)
+ See below
 + dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look ? (Caolan)
+ 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0c8b749e602b6743857a9bc4efb24b6183690311
+ landed in master: looks like it fixes -lots- of things:
+ gone into all version (Caolan)
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
+ Comparisons before and after:
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136090
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136091
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136061
+ better ceil() than round() to avoid cropping by all means (Jay)
 + we want it to work as the original code did (Caolan)
 + http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136092
 + still not perfect 136092 – attachment, a difference (Heiko)
   + smaller line-spacing vs. 5.1
   + best to get a new bug – with the file (Xisco)
   + pictures less useful ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ this week – nothing.
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 5.4.2 RC1 – branch next Tuesday ...
+ Online
+ Android
 + fixed x86 platform / NSS building & will push patch
 + focus on getting the viewer into shape.
+ will split off the 5.4 project in pootle this weekend
 + and move to actual master strings.
+ do we have a conference gap in the schedule ? (Michael)
 + move it if there is a concern ?

* Documentation (Olivier)
 * Implemented L10n in UI for helponline.libreoffice.org
 + and browser detect language
 + built in https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.0/
 + backporting to 5.4 and 5.3
 * Entering in revision phase for Getting started Guide 6.0,
 + Now waiting for 6.0 new features
+ Please fill the wiki page with the new features

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 408(408) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 19(2) 32(-1) 133(-8) 
 commented 40(4)180(14)   475(-17)   2952(-72)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 4(-1)  43(-1) 
  resolved  5(0) 22(-3)68(-2) 285(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 124 changes in 1 month, and 1588 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 460 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 45 changes in 1 month, and 1428 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 38 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 
1 y
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 562 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 354 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 52 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 12 changes in 1 month, and 470 changes in 
1 y
+ Mascot update
   + more triage work requested
+ OS survey
   + 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Caolán McNamara]

On Thu, 2017-08-31 at 15:49 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Looked for related bugs in Bugzilla (Xisco)
>+ didn’t look in too much detail
> + http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-20
> 17-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
> AI:+ dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look / Caolan ?

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/41933/ is my suggestion, round to
int instead of truncate
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