Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
Hi, On Thursday, 2012-07-12 16:20:37 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 23:03 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I tend to agree and disagree. I think that ultimately it could dampen creativity but we have to consider some of the facts: Heh - well, there is ongoing work to make us more interoperable. Last I looked there were some patches on the dev list in this vein. I would ask the developers in that area eg. Eike whether they want to have to deal with the hassle of managing dozens of bugs in this area; AFAICS that is unlikely to improve their productivity, even if it tracks the current state better :-) But of course if they want that / would find it helpful that's fine. I love being suddenly Cc'ed on threads of a mailing list I'm not subscribed to.. so, what's this about? Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD pgppRpk7K0Hpf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-07-12
Cor Nouws píše v Pá 13. 07. 2012 v 15:46 +0200: Hi all, I heard that Bjoern is ill and not able to join. For me it's a bit unsure (some work to finish). Who else expects to join? I tried to open the line but I did not succeed. I guess that there was needed some extra pin that I did not have. I suggest to postpone the call by one or two weeks. I wish Bjoern to get well soon. Best Regards, Petr PS: I wont be able to join the call the following week because I have vacation and will not be close to a computer. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 available
Dear Community, The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first release candidate of LibreOffice 3.6.0. The upcoming 3.6.0 will be our fourth major release in two years, and comes with a nice set of new features. Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 is not ready for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.5 for that. The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ The (still growing) list of features for the upcoming 3.6.0 is on our wiki - please help filling gaps there, e.g. by providing more screenshots: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test (and the announcement mail: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-December/022464.html) For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can e.g. contribute code: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.5 or help with funding our operations: http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/ A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 3.6.0 RC1 is available from our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.6.0/RC1 Please find the list of changes against LibreOffice 3.6.0 Beta3 here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-release-3.6.0.1.log Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have been possible without your help. Yours, The Document Foundation Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint pgpMAIHNAzWlM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
Thanks for responding Eike. Summary is that I was bug triaging and came across a bug that had a list of functions in excel that are currently not supported in LO. I wanted input from QA and Devs to see what the best approach is. The options I came up with: 1. Leave excel bugs as is, keep that bug open with the list of functions, in the comments I'll confirm individual functions as problematic in LO (harder to track progress, harder for devs to pick up individual functions out of the list) 2. Leave excel bugs as is, close bug that has so many functions in one, tell user that we need them as individual bug reports (easier to track progress this way) 3. Make a meta excel bug just for the functions, then I'll create individual bugs for each bug listed by the user and make the meta bug dependent on them (similar to most annoying) 4. Make a meta excel bug, separate the function bug into individual bug and make meta bug dependent on ALL excel bugs (not just the functions one from the original FDO) Michael CC'ed you on it because he said you're currently the go to for excel compatibility. My argument is that anything to make it easier to be fully compatible with Excel is a plus if the goal is to convince MS Office users that we can provide a better product than MS can. Thanks for the feedback, Joel On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, On Thursday, 2012-07-12 16:20:37 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 23:03 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I tend to agree and disagree. I think that ultimately it could dampen creativity but we have to consider some of the facts: Heh - well, there is ongoing work to make us more interoperable. Last I looked there were some patches on the dev list in this vein. I would ask the developers in that area eg. Eike whether they want to have to deal with the hassle of managing dozens of bugs in this area; AFAICS that is unlikely to improve their productivity, even if it tracks the current state better :-) But of course if they want that / would find it helpful that's fine. I love being suddenly Cc'ed on threads of a mailing list I'm not subscribed to.. so, what's this about? Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Report from the bug hunting session WAS Re: feedback on the fr bug hunting session
Hi all, Sophie Gautier wrote (09-07-12 10:47) Hi all, Thanks for sharing Sophie! I just ran two queries on BugZilla. They are available when you go to your Preferences (top menu bar in BugZilla) tab Saved searches second table Names are - July6-7_3.6Related-New (34 issues) - July6-7_All-New (82 issues) I did not try to do (and won't do either) any statistics to see how much extra did happen compared to other day's / weekends. I see there is some issues in the queries that ask for confirmation etc. Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
I closed the bug as INVALID and put a comment on there. I also will move the list to the wiki, not sure where it's preferred to go or if I'm making a new wiki page. Thanks for the feedback Joel On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Joel, On Wednesday, 2012-07-11 15:53:07 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I'd like to make a meta bug for functions that Excel has but that aren't currently supported or are problematic in Calc. This stems from FDO 47164: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47164 Taking Regina's answer this actually was about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46918 For my takes on this topic see the mail I just sent to you and the QA list. And now we have the situation that cross-posting to multiple lists isn't always a good idea because each list doesn't know how things evolve on the other list, as answers on the QA list apparently did not include the dev list and vice versa. So, I'm including my answer here again: | On Friday, 2012-07-13 07:46:36 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: | | Thanks for responding Eike. Summary is that I was bug triaging and came | across a bug that had a list of functions in excel that are currently not | supported in LO. | | Cross-reading the dev list I found | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46918 | with a nice attachment listing functions. | | 1. Leave excel bugs as is, keep that bug open with the list of functions, | in the comments I'll confirm individual functions as problematic in LO | (harder to track progress, harder for devs to pick up individual functions | out of the list) | | Better close the bug that otherwise would live for months and years and | end up with 300 comments or so that no one would read anyway.. better | add the there attached list (that would be outdated already after the | first function was implemented) to the wiki from which individual bugs | or implementation notes could be linked then. Such implement dozens of | features bugs weren't helpful at any time. | | 2. Leave excel bugs as is, close bug that has so many functions in one, | tell user that we need them as individual bug reports (easier to track | progress this way) | | We really don't need dozens of bugs open one for each function not | implemented. I'd rather prefer to open a bug for a specific function | only once a developer starts to implement it so we can (discuss if | necessary and) refer it in the commit summary when done. Also, if users | open bugs for functions they actually miss in their daily work it helps | us more than doing that ourself in advance for all functions we know. | | 3. Make a meta excel bug just for the functions, then I'll create | individual bugs for each bug listed by the user and make the meta bug | dependent on them (similar to most annoying) | | See above about my take on creating individual bugs, plus I don't see an | advantage in having a meta bug for this unless it would be there to have | a quick listing of its dependents. | | 4. Make a meta excel bug, separate the function bug into individual bug and | make meta bug dependent on ALL excel bugs (not just the functions one from | the original FDO) | | We might also use something like an interoperability whiteboard keyword | or some such to query for instead. | | Well, you may have deduced from my answers that I'm not a friend of meta | bugs, unless they are there to mail a pointer to the dev list like the | most annoying meta bugs. In short, it's ok for me if QA wants to create | a meta bug to track existing things, but opening a bunch of bugs to be | tracked just for the sake of having everything in that we _might_ want | to implement over time of years doesn't make sense to me. | | Michael CC'ed you on it because he said you're currently the go to for | excel compatibility. My argument is that anything to make it easier to be | fully compatible with Excel is a plus if the goal is to convince MS Office | users that we can provide a better product than MS can. | | Specifically when having dozens of bugs open for functions that only | a very minority of users would use anyway it would be counterproductive | pointing potential users to deficiencies they otherwise would even never | have noticed or heard of ;-) Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
Hi Joel, On Friday, 2012-07-13 09:00:28 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I closed the bug as INVALID and put a comment on there. I also will move the list to the wiki, not sure where it's preferred to go or if I'm making a new wiki page. Thanks for the feedback Please create a new page, i.e. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions and link to it from http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Calc For overview, in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions also place pointers to the pages that Regina mentioned in this thread, so we'll have it all in one place. Thanks Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD pgphmbg5Itpk3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
