Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES OCTOBER 1999
# 3. Ciao! 3) (Diana) Pirsig says that the four levels of the MOQ are "all there is". But if each level evolved out of the one beneath it, then is it possible for a fifth level to emerge? If so what are the possible candidates for this level and how would we recognize it? MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES OCTOBER 1999
delurking Hi everyone! #3, please. Although I have resolved to not post until after I have completed a full rereading of Lila, I am so enthused about this prospective topic that I just had to vote. I have been contemplating the possibility of the existence of a "fifth level" and would be very interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject. ^,,^ SixToes MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES SEPTEMBER 99
I would like to cast my vote for #6 please. Thank you. Cory __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES SEPTEMBER 99
I vote for topic #1. -John MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES SEPTEMBER 99
1 and don't forget to be gentle Avid icq 6598359 - Original Message - From: Diana McPartlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sonntag, 29. August 1999 04:24 Subject: LS CALL FOR VOTES SEPTEMBER 99 Squad Time to cast your votes. Pls reply to this post stating your choice from the suggestions below. You've got one vote each, and remember even if you suggested one of these topics you still have to formally vote for it. Voting closes at 24:00 GMT on 31 Aug tks Diana -- - 1. (Avid Anand) My suggested topic is "WHAT IS THE BEST FORM OF A SPQ [Static Quality Pattern]". As we know Pirsig makes the primal cut between SQ and DQ. However immersed as we still are in old SOM, we continue to think in its terms. It is hard for us to see/imagine/feel the building stones of MoQ, it cannot be subjects and object, but it should somehow contain them, but how? What is the best "brick" [SPQ] to build MoQ from? How does it reflect the primary of the experience of quality? How does this "brick" [SPQ] relate to the 4 layers? 2. (Bodvar Skutvik) Seen in the light of the MOQ, what is it that is described in the last part of ZMM (The Greeks). Is it the emergence of SOM, the"coming of age" of the Intellectual level, or...? 3. (Kevin Sanchez) i suggest we discuss pragmatic implementations of the metaphysics of quality in the thinking space of the social/political + specifically, how does it concieve.of/ operationalize social agency? and how does it approach matters of (governmental?) policy? - pirisigs' works have much to contribute to philosophies of laws, revolution(aries), economics, free will.vs.determinism, etc. which have tremendous implications for policy-making + let us systematize these meandering (?) political thoughts into one style of thinking + (warning: i'm not suggesting specific stances on political matters; only specific ways of concieving/analyizing/valuing political questions) 4. (Jonathan Marder) "Lila" is Hinduism's dance of the divine. "Lilith" is a mythical temptress (Babylonian and Hebrew mythology) Rigel and Capela are both ancient names given to stars (the atsronomical type, not celebraties). Is Pirsig deliberately alluding to ancient myths? Are there more of them hiding in his novels? -- - MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES SEPTEMBER 99
I will vote for nr. 2 (I'm a newcomer, thanks for having me on the squad) Erik de Vries Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - August 1999
Hi, Sorry for being a bit reclusive this month but I had tons of work for my project, so I didn't really have the time to think further about the subject of self and soul. I thank Bodvar for re-posting my subject, and I vote for it (#2), even though it seems it won't be elected this month... well, we'll see... Hope you're doing well Denis MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - August 1999
I vote for number 2 2) DENIS POISSON (VIA BODVAR): If DNA is the "machine code" between the inorganic and the biological, what's the "machine code" between the biological and the social? Between the social and the intellect (mythos? language?) How do they work? Magnus MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
RE: LS CALL FOR VOTES - August 1999
I'm new. This one sounds like a good one to revisit. I'll vote for Keith's #4: Leaving Quality undefined is a central tenet of the MOQ. We should work towards clearly explaining why this is so and exploring the arguments both for and against this position. Sarah: "Are you teaching Quality this quarter?" "Yes..." - You know what it is. No you don't. Yes you do - Hugh Hugh A. Butler Founder President Computer Consultants Corporation "Your Credit Union Technology Partner" 36 South State Street Beneficial Life Tower Suite 800 Salt Lake City, UT 84111-1401 801 575 5121 800 998 HELP (4357) SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cccorp.com/ If it was easy, anybody could do it. MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - July 1999
I cast my vote for: 1) [Denis Poisson] To further explore the Social and Intelectual Levels in terms of how they work and their composition. Also, if DNA is the "machine code" or interface between the inorganic and the biological levels, what form does the interface between the Biological and the Social levels take and similarly the interface between the Social and the Intellectual levels. __ Keith A. Gillette http://detling.dorm.org/gillette/ MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - July 1999
Horse group. I would have liked to have another go at the "soul" thing, but I think Denis provided a new and very interesting topic that have eluded our attention earlier (if my memory serves me) . So I go for Denis' entry below 1) [Denis Poisson] To further explore the Social and Intelectual Levels in terms of how they work and their composition. Also, if DNA is the "machine code" or interface between the inorganic and the biological levels, what form does the interface between the Biological and the Social levels take and similarly the interface between the Social and the Intellectual levels. Bo "Quality isn't IN the eye of the beholder. Quality IS the eye of the beholder". (Platt Holden) MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - July 1999
number two please 2) [Diana McPartlin Robert Stillwell] Is there a soul or self? If so, how does it fit into the MOQ? MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - July 1999
Hi, Squad, My vote goes for 1). Surprise, surprise... :) Here are the suggested topics for July 99. 1) [Denis Poisson] To further explore the Social and Intelectual Levels in terms of how they work and their composition. Also, if DNA is the "machine code" or interface between the inorganic and the biological levels, what form does the interface between the Biological and the Social levels take and similarly the interface between the Social and the Intellectual levels. 2) [Diana McPartlin Robert Stillwell] Is there a soul or self? If so, how does it fit into the MOQ? 3) [Kevin Sanchez] How would Pirsig unite modernity and postmodernity. Chomsky advocates modernity claiming we need morality to legitimize our actions and justice is the highest ideal of society. Foucault advocates postmodernity claiming that despite our need of it, morality doesn't exists and that society defines its highest ideal as it wishes. It seems Pirsig can't appease the moderns because of his reliance on experience instead of logic and he can't appease the postmoderns because of his acceptance of a universal morality instead of particular morality. 4) Ken Clark As a continuing topic beginning in July take each chapter, in turn, of Lila that is not purely narrative and attempt to reach concensus on the meaning as a group. We could even begin with ZMM. We could either allot a month per chapter or maybe shorten it to two weeks if experience indicated this was enough. MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - July 1999
I vote for #2 2) [Diana McPartlin Robert Stillwell] Is there a soul or self? If so, how does it fit into the MOQ? - Mary MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES - July 1999
Hi All My vote goes to No. 1 Horse 1) [Denis Poisson] To further explore the Social and Intelectual Levels in terms of how they work and their composition. Also, if DNA is the "machine code" or interface between the inorganic and the biological levels, what form does the interface between the Biological and the Social levels take and similarly the interface between the Social and the Intellectual levels. MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES June 1999
Hi Squad All the topics suggest were highly interesting, but I cast my vote for no. 3 as it goes to the very heart of the matter and continues the Dynamic-Static thread 3. Is there a "spirit" or "self" and how does it fit into Pirsig's MOQ? Bodvar MOQ Online - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES May 99
#1: 1. With reference to the examples given in LILA, explain dynamic and static quality and the relationship between them. Jeff Travis MOQ Online - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES May 99
Hi everyone: Qualitative Suggestion Number One (1) Chooses Me rich __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com MOQ Online - http://www.moq.org
Re: LS CALL FOR VOTES May 99
I vote for #2. MOQ Online - http://www.moq.org
