Re: Patchy up and running now
Hello, On 4 March 2012 11:10, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 08:10:59AM +, James wrote: Anyway, I'm back at home this evening and will have a few more test runs (with cron just to make sure I can leave it unattended) and then by Monday I should be running 'lilypond-patchy-staging.py' as often as people want me to. Any specific schedule? I suggest either every 12 hours or every 6 hours. If we had other systems running cron then it might be nice to spread the load by staggering the runs, but it sounds like Phil only runs it manually after booting that machine. It would be nice if somebody else with a fast computer could set it up as well, just so that more people know how to do it... but it seems like the CG is relatively good at explaining patchy staging-merge, so I'm not too fussed about that now. I cant seem to get cron jobs to run on my LilyDev - I've done all the cron.allow etc. I was wondering (if anyone knows immediately) if stating the command in cron requires anything special if using two concatenated commands. I.e. I run cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py which works at the CLI but not when I enter that literally in cron. I tried surrounding it in ' but that didn't seem to make any difference. I'll look more on the internet to see (man page wasn't that helpful). Anyway, for now I have a 'while true do patchy then sleep 6 hours done' loop running on my box at home which does the job just as well until I figure why cron isn't working. So I think after tonight you can consider patchy staging running on my machine at home 24 x 7 (internet connection accepted :) ). Phil, can I add you as a cc to patchy in case it all goes wrong and you [don't]get the notification? -- -- James ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
Hello, On 5 March 2012 07:45, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Colin Hall colingh...@gmail.com Let's drop Lilypad. It's getting in the way of regular releases. Disagree. Disagree. I'm with Colin. I've already said that I can't see the point of it on Windows: it's a cut-down version of notepad. If it's the same on Mac, I don't see the value. \PointAndClickOn That was a great feature for a 'mac user' like me. While I can run CLI in terminal.app, getting another editor to work with pointAndClick was fruitless and frustrating (at least for 2.12 and 2.13.x when I had my mac). So I'm with Graham on this one. -- -- James ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: On 4 March 2012 11:10, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 08:10:59AM +, James wrote: Anyway, I'm back at home this evening and will have a few more test runs (with cron just to make sure I can leave it unattended) and then by Monday I should be running 'lilypond-patchy-staging.py' as often as people want me to. Any specific schedule? I suggest either every 12 hours or every 6 hours. If we had other systems running cron then it might be nice to spread the load by staggering the runs, but it sounds like Phil only runs it manually after booting that machine. It would be nice if somebody else with a fast computer could set it up as well, just so that more people know how to do it... but it seems like the CG is relatively good at explaining patchy staging-merge, so I'm not too fussed about that now. I cant seem to get cron jobs to run on my LilyDev - I've done all the cron.allow etc. I was wondering (if anyone knows immediately) if stating the command in cron requires anything special if using two concatenated commands. I.e. I run cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py which works at the CLI but not when I enter that literally in cron. I tried surrounding it in ' but that didn't seem to make any difference. What is your complete cron line? You are aware that the PATH variable is set to a quite basic path? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 5 March 2012 07:45, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Colin Hall colingh...@gmail.com Let's drop Lilypad. It's getting in the way of regular releases. Disagree. Disagree. I'm with Colin. I've already said that I can't see the point of it on Windows: it's a cut-down version of notepad. If it's the same on Mac, I don't see the value. \PointAndClickOn That was a great feature for a 'mac user' like me. While I can run CLI in terminal.app, getting another editor to work with pointAndClick was fruitless and frustrating (at least for 2.12 and 2.13.x when I had my mac). So I'm with Graham on this one. As far as I understand, in spite of the initial activities of core LilyPond developers, LilyPad is basically an external application that we just wrap and don't actively codevelop (meaning that its overlap with actual LilyPond development nowadays is rather minimal). The principal goal is setting up the user with an environment where he can start working right away. We could pick a different target for that purpose. Personally, I want to get to a state where Emacs will make a compellingly useful part of the music creation toolchain. But it would still not be something you would want to install as part of an installer for LilyPond. It's more like it would be nice to have some functionality looking for an installed version of Emacs and integrating with it. I think Frescobaldo might be a nice fit by now (as far as I understand, it does no longer require KDE, merely Qt). It does quite more than LilyPad, integrates nice with a GUI, and still does not obscure working with LilyPond, like the applications NtEd and similar do. If you take a look at URL:http://frescobaldi.org/download, you'll find that it is almost but not quite in a situation where we could use it on all supported platforms when precompiled. It would be more challenging to let GUB actually compile it (and dependencies). A perspective for delivering it as an integrated part of installers for those platforms where we have to offer a complete bundle due to a lack of sane packaging systems. Oh, by the way: any of the OSX users have an idea what is up with Fink? I see URL:http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/browse.php?summary=lilypond lilypond2.12.2-1GNU Music Typesetter lilypond-devel 2.13.5-1GNU Music Typesetter Which is not exactly impressive. But I am digressing. The point I wanted to make is that if one can cut out a coherent set of requirements, it might be possible to get people from the Frescobaldi community involved, and challenged into making MacOSX work if that's a precondition for getting Frescobaldi into our installers. The problem is that we can't even cut out a coherent set of requirements for keeping LilyPad supported, let alone start on something new. So it would be clear that whoever was going to get interested in this project would have to start with a _lot_ of fumbling in the dark with uncertain outcome. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
Hello, On 5 March 2012 09:41, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: I cant seem to get cron jobs to run on my LilyDev - I've done all the cron.allow etc. I was wondering (if anyone knows immediately) if stating the command in cron requires anything special if using two concatenated commands. I.e. I run cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py which works at the CLI but not when I enter that literally in cron. I tried surrounding it in ' but that didn't seem to make any difference. What is your complete cron line? You are aware that the PATH variable is set to a quite basic path? It was 15 * * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py I intended to leave it for a few hours to see if I got the expected behaviour In the end I hope to use 0 */6 * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py -- -- James ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 5 March 2012 09:41, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: I cant seem to get cron jobs to run on my LilyDev - I've done all the cron.allow etc. I was wondering (if anyone knows immediately) if stating the command in cron requires anything special if using two concatenated commands. I.e. I run cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py which works at the CLI but not when I enter that literally in cron. I tried surrounding it in ' but that didn't seem to make any difference. What is your complete cron line? You are aware that the PATH variable is set to a quite basic path? It was 15 * * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py Hopefully in one line. Where does it get the LILYPOND_GIT variable? Is it set elsewhere in the cronfile? If not, you need to write something like LILYPOND_GIT=/home/james/lilypond-git python ... instead of just python ... -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
Hello, On 5 March 2012 10:32, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 5 March 2012 09:41, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: I cant seem to get cron jobs to run on my LilyDev - I've done all the cron.allow etc. I was wondering (if anyone knows immediately) if stating the command in cron requires anything special if using two concatenated commands. I.e. I run cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py which works at the CLI but not when I enter that literally in cron. I tried surrounding it in ' but that didn't seem to make any difference. What is your complete cron line? You are aware that the PATH variable is set to a quite basic path? It was 15 * * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py Hopefully in one line. yes :) Where does it get the LILYPOND_GIT variable? Is it set elsewhere in the cronfile? If not, you need to write something like LILYPOND_GIT=/home/james/lilypond-git python ... instead of just python ... That's set in my .profile or .bashrc - cannot remember off hand - LilyDev has this set and I know I use echo $LILYPOND_GIT it reports back /home/james/lilypond-git. The python scripts also 'complain' if you don't have it set, they check and report back, so again I know from that perspective it all works. Don't waste too much of your own time David, I just wanted to make sure that running two commands in cron didn't need some special 'qualifier' or that I should use ';' instead of '' (although i know the difference). I'll try to figure it out. -- -- James ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
2012/3/5 James pkx1...@gmail.com: What is your complete cron line? You are aware that the PATH variable is set to a quite basic path? It was 15 * * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py I intended to leave it for a few hours to see if I got the expected behaviour In the end I hope to use 0 */6 * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py My humble advice is to put only a script call here. Then the script can do multiple things, echo progress comments, etc. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
Francisco On 5 March 2012 10:57, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: 2012/3/5 James pkx1...@gmail.com: What is your complete cron line? You are aware that the PATH variable is set to a quite basic path? It was 15 * * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py I intended to leave it for a few hours to see if I got the expected behaviour In the end I hope to use 0 */6 * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py My humble advice is to put only a script call here. Then the script can do multiple things, echo progress comments, etc. Yes you are probably right. :) -- -- James ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: templates for writing mysicological book
2012/3/4 James pkx1...@gmail.com: Do you know is Lilypond plugin for OpenOffice updated regularly. I could not find decently new versions for Libre Office. You mean this: http://ooolilypond.sourceforge.net/ I use that under libreoffice, works perfectly. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Patchy up and running now
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 11:00:38AM +, James wrote: Francisco 15 * * * * cd /home/james/lilypond-git python /home/james/patchy/lilypond-patchy-staging.py cron ignores your ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc, etc. Remember that shell script I sent you a few month ago, along with my sample config files? You need something like that. My humble advice is to put only a script call here. Then the script can do multiple things, echo progress comments, etc. +1, including having that script call your ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc to give you the environment you need. Yes you are probably right. :) He is. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:45:35AM -, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Colin Hall colingh...@gmail.com Let's drop Lilypad. It's getting in the way of regular releases. Disagree. Disagree. I'm with Colin. I've already said that I can't see the point of it on Windows: it's a cut-down version of notepad. If it's the same on Mac, I don't see the value. It's different on mac. Not by a huge amount, but it *does* have more functionality. This is the single most important thing -- not just for osx, but for all binary building. However, AFAIK there is no help available for GUB. This would make a great project - like my make doc work. I don't have the time now, but I reckon it's a case of finding a GUB problem, fixing it, moving on. Be even better if there were a document what I've found stage in there. Yes, pretty much. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 11:08:38AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: As far as I understand, in spite of the initial activities of core LilyPond developers, LilyPad is basically an external application that we just wrap and don't actively codevelop (meaning that its overlap with actual LilyPond development nowadays is rather minimal). Note that lilypad-osx and lilypad-windows are completely different beasts. Different functionality, different GUI, different code base. If you take a look at URL:http://frescobaldi.org/download, you'll find that it is almost but not quite in a situation where we could use it on all supported platforms when precompiled. It would be more challenging to let GUB actually compile it (and dependencies). I'm not eager to double the download size of a lilypond binary. I'm not at all certain that we want to bundle an editor such as frescobaldi... but of course it's worth considering and discussing. The problem is that we can't even cut out a coherent set of requirements for keeping LilyPad supported, let alone start on something new. So it would be clear that whoever was going to get interested in this project would have to start with a _lot_ of fumbling in the dark with uncertain outcome. But nothing can happen without GUB getting under control. Nothing can change in terms of the end-user GUIs -- but also once I leave Glasgow in a few months, nothing will happen in terms of binary releases at all. I'm not going to install ubuntu 10.04 when I'm in Vancouver. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: But nothing can happen without GUB getting under control. Nothing can change in terms of the end-user GUIs -- but also once I leave Glasgow in a few months, nothing will happen in terms of binary releases at all. I'm not going to install ubuntu 10.04 when I'm in Vancouver. At one point of time, we are going to settle on a permanent Ubuntu version. Probably Grumpy Gazelle. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Pushing someone else's patch
I'd like to push Reinhold's patch at http://codereview.appspot.com/5674101/ but don't want to usurp ownership. If I look at the patch on Reitveld, there's no identification information. Is there any way to get this from Reitveld to push the correctly-identified patch? -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Pushing someone else's patch
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:16:11PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: I'd like to push Reinhold's patch at http://codereview.appspot.com/5674101/ but don't want to usurp ownership. If I look at the patch on Reitveld, there's no identification information. Is there any way to get this from Reitveld to push the correctly-identified patch? No, but you can fake it with git commit --author Fluffy the wonder cat ki...@awesome.com - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
LM - Remove obsolete statement (issue 5713053)
LGTM http://codereview.appspot.com/5713053/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 5 March 2012 07:45, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Colin Hall colingh...@gmail.com Let's drop Lilypad. It's getting in the way of regular releases. Disagree. Disagree. I'm with Colin. I've already said that I can't see the point of it on Windows: it's a cut-down version of notepad. If it's the same on Mac, I don't see the value. \PointAndClickOn That was a great feature for a 'mac user' like me. While I can run CLI in terminal.app, getting another editor to work with pointAndClick was fruitless and frustrating (at least for 2.12 and 2.13.x when I had my mac). So I'm with Graham on this one. As far as I understand, in spite of the initial activities of core LilyPond developers, LilyPad is basically an external application that we just wrap and don't actively codevelop (meaning that its overlap with actual LilyPond development nowadays is rather minimal). The principal goal is setting up the user with an environment where he can start working right away. We could pick a different target for that purpose. Personally, I want to get to a state where Emacs will make a compellingly useful part of the music creation toolchain. But it would still not be something you would want to install as part of an installer for LilyPond. It's more like it would be nice to have some functionality looking for an installed version of Emacs and integrating with it. I think Frescobaldo might be a nice fit by now (as far as I understand, it does no longer require KDE, merely Qt). It does quite more than LilyPad, integrates nice with a GUI, and still does not obscure working with LilyPond, like the applications NtEd and similar do. generally +1. I'd do this in this way: when the installer installs LilyPond, ask the user if he wants to install Frescobaldi too. Thus, we won't make our installer larger and won't have to compile Frescobaldi on our own. cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Google Summer of Code, LilyPond and GNU
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Rodrigo Rodrigues da Silva pita...@members.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 23:56 +, Graham Percival wrote: Hmm. My instinct would be to try it separately, anyway. We're not the size of gcc or gnome, but we're not trivial: [...] Sure, you can always try. And if you don't make it you are welcome back to the GNU umbrella =] Rodrigo Rodrigues da Silva Okay, so i understand that we try applying individually. If on March 16 we won't be listed in accepted projects, we'll contact GNU and they'll add us to their umbrella, listing our projects on their Ideas List and so on. I will make a patch adding GSoC Ideas List to our webpage - Graham, will you recompile it? The patch should be ready before tomorrow 17:00 UTC. Graham, i understand that you'll be our project administrator. When Ideas List will be up, you'll have to register at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 and fill our application (it consists of answering the 16 questions - for which we already have answers - and agreeing to admin agreement). Who will be backup administrator? I think i don't qualify since i'm going to be the student. Carl? Anyone else? Backup admin is mandatory and has to register at GSoC webpage too. cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: LilyPond 2.14.2 is in Ubuntu 12.04 software centre
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Just in case anyone was interested. Thanks to whoever sorted this out - it used to be 2.11 or even 2.10 not so many months ago. +1! ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Google Summer of Code, LilyPond and GNU
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 10:48:28PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Rodrigo Rodrigues da Silva pita...@members.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 23:56 +, Graham Percival wrote: Hmm. My instinct would be to try it separately, anyway. We're not the size of gcc or gnome, but we're not trivial: [...] Sure, you can always try. And if you don't make it you are welcome back to the GNU umbrella =] Okay, so i understand that we try applying individually. If on March 16 we won't be listed in accepted projects, we'll contact GNU and they'll add us to their umbrella, listing our projects on their Ideas List and so on. Hmm, I'm not certain that's quite what he meant, but ok. I will make a patch adding GSoC Ideas List to our webpage - Graham, will you recompile it? No. Put the patch on rietveld, and once people have commented, it gets pushed to staging. Graham, i understand that you'll be our project administrator. When Ideas List will be up, you'll have to register at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 and fill our application (it consists of answering the 16 questions - for which we already have answers - and agreeing to admin agreement). What happens about the tax form? I'm not signing any legal document unless I'm certain it's the right thing. Is GNU submitting that foreign income thing for us ? ... although I suppose that GNU is an American organization, so they'd file a different tax form? - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: MacOS X development and support
2012/3/5 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: I'd do this in this way: when the installer installs LilyPond, ask the user if he wants to install Frescobaldi too. Thus, we won't make our installer larger and won't have to compile Frescobaldi on our own. Then you wouldn't be able to do offline installations. (And it would add more complexity to the installer; NSIS can do that pretty easily on Windows, but I'm highly doubtful when it comes to Mac and GNU/Linux.) If anything, I think it's _Frescobaldi_ that should include a recent LilyPond build. Not sure if Wilbert has enough available co-developers to handle it, though. (Much less for multiple platforms.) Anyway: please tell me if I should update my job offer for a Mac OS X maintainer on the latest LilyReport :-) Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Google Summer of Code, LilyPond and GNU
On 3/5/12 3:17 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: What happens about the tax form? I'm not signing any legal document unless I'm certain it's the right thing. Is GNU submitting that foreign income thing for us ? ... although I suppose that GNU is an American organization, so they'd file a different tax form? I just registered. As part of the terms of service, we have to agree to supply either a W-9 or a foreign certification. As a US resident, I'd have to do a W-9 if I did it. A non-resident could use the foreign certification. Maybe we could take this conversation off-line. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: LilyPond 2.14.2 is in Ubuntu 12.04 software centre
2012/3/5 James pkx1...@gmail.com: Hello, Just in case anyone was interested. Thanks to whoever sorted this out - it used to be 2.11 or even 2.10 not so many months ago. 330.7 MB to download, 905.2 MB when installed? Synaptic says size 4293 kB, download 1535 kB for v 2.12.3-7ubuntu1 in my Ubuntu 11.04 system. Looks very wrong. Or, does that include all of texlive or something? -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
