Re: Figured Bass support
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: For the moment, you could use markup texts. For example: Thanks for the suggestion - however it is much more important to me that the scores I am writing are structurally sound (i.e. the figured basses are really figured basses, with their own durations etc - I'm working on a graphical editor for LilyPond that understands them) as I won't be re-writing the scores later. I really just filed this note about the aesthetics of your figured bass output because I understand that you want LilyPond to be taken up because the output does not look stiff and computer-like. For practical purposes the figures are reasonably easy to play from as they are, though overall a bit far away from the notes. Richard ___ Lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Figured Bass support
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I sent a sample output from 1.8.0 to a composer (who had only seen
finale, sibelius etc before) he commented
Thanks for sending it to me. The quality is very impressive, and
aesthetically pleasing.
Good to hear!
One thing he pointed out (amongst other things I am working through)
is that the figures in the bass are unconventionally far from the
notes they refer to. The figures all begin at the same vertical
offset, computed to miss the worst case note. In the hand engraved
scores I've looked at the figures start a short distance below the
note, or the bottom staff line if the note is entirely within the
staff. (i.e. they are ragged top and bottom).
This is rather verbose - is there some tweak available to make the
figures automatically sit just below whatever is above? I have a
In effect, you are saying that you want the bass figures to behave
like texts and fingerings wrt. notes. Implementing this is possible,
and not even that difficult - but not very high on my current priority
list.
For the moment, you could use markup texts. For example:
\header
{
texidoc = An alternate method to make bass figures is to use
markup texts.
}
\version 1.9.4
nat = \markup { \musicglyph #accidentals-0 }
sh = \markup { \smaller \raise #0.6 \musicglyph #accidentals-1 }
fl = \markup { \musicglyph #accidentals--1 }
\score {
\context Voice \notes {
\clef bass
\property Voice.TextScript \set #'font-family = #'number
\property Voice.TextScript \set #'font-relative-size = #-3
\property Voice.TextScript \set #'baseline-skip = #1.4
dis4_\markup { 6 }
c_\markup { 7 }
d_\markup { \column { 6 \sh } \bracket { \nat } }
ais_\markup { \column 6 5 \bracket { 3 \sh } }
}
}
Useiso. for 1.8, and quote the numbers, i.e.
\column { 6 \sh } ...
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Figured Bass support
hi,
The example given in the manual for a figured bass seems to be missing a
\notes directive - if I put it inside a \score {} thus
\score {
\context FiguredBass
\figures {
_! 3+ 5- 4
[4 6] 8
}
\context Voice { c4 g8 }
\paper {
}
}
then I get an error
warning: Junking request: `Lyric_req': \context Voice { c4 etc...
When I put in the missing \notes directive I get a message
programming error: No StaffSpacing wishes found (Continuing; cross thumbs)
This doesn't always happen depending on the relative lengths of the
parts I think. Any suggestions for eliminating this would be welcome,
meanwhile here is a revised example with the \notes and that is more
realistic
\context Voice \notes { \clef bass dis4 c d ais}
\context FiguredBass
\figures {
6 4 7 8 6+ [_!]
6 4 6 5 [3+]
}
By the way, I notice that the character $ is allowed after the \ in
lilypond, is this an old feature - it does not seem to be used for
anything? I can't see a reference to it in the ChangeLog. (It is being
output by denemo, but I don't think it means anything).
Richard Shann
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Re: Figured Bass support
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (a first attempt to post seemed to go into a black hole ... try again ...) The figured bass support in lilypond (wonderful!) is a little tricky to use for three reasons: 1) The figures have to be entered in the reverse order (that is a six-four chord is entered 4 6). Of course, this assumes that you do call it that and not a four-six chord, but I *think* is universally so. In dutch, c' f' a' (absolute pitches) is called a 4-6 chord, not 6-4; that's what you mean, right? yes I'm not sure about the proper names in English. Can you do some more research to find out what is the Right Way? yes - with classic anglo-saxon myopia I referred to the English nomenclature as universal ... the research for the Right Way turned out to be very easy - typing six four chord into Google yielded 137 hits and four six chord yielded 7 hits. For example: Six-four chord (siks for kord) A chord consisting of three notes, the bass note, the interval of a fourth above the bass note, and a sixth above the bass note. ... from this site www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/texts/Six-fourchord.html and likewise for four six chord, though less common. However, it occurs to me that I've started us thinking along the wrong lines here - what matters is what people who may want to write figured basses into lilypond will find most natural. I jumped to the conclusion that the reason I write 6 followed by 4 when writing out figured basses was because I call it a six four chord. In fact, since the figures are always aligned at the top there is a much stronger reason why, when writing out the figures you start at the top and work downwards, and hence why you write them out as six followed by four (to continue the example). If you didn't write downwards, you would have to guess where to start writing the figures, judging by how many figures you had to fill in. This all presupposes that figured basses are indeed aligned horizontally at the top: I am sure this is always so, based on sampling Italian, French, English and German 17th 18th c. sonatas from my bookshelf and thirty odd years of knocking round in early music circles. In fact, I think anything else would appear outlandish, because the commonest figures (a # or b or a six on their own) would have to be placed at some distance from the bass note, depending on the maximum number of figures to be found on any one note in the piece. A # would then frequently appear to be associated with some note on the next line, which usually either means that the editor thinks *that* note should be sharpened (or if ornamented, the ornament should be sharpened). (I feel perhaps I'm labouring the point now ...). I've added #'direction for the BassFigure grob, so you can the stacking direction. (1.7 cvs) The default should be the normal direction else we risk creating another standard in figured bass notation! Best regards, Richard Shann ___ Lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Figured Bass support
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: ... 1) The figures have to be entered in the reverse order (that is a six-four chord is entered 4 6). Of course, this assumes that you do call it that and not a four-six chord, but I *think* is universally so. In dutch, c' f' a' (absolute pitches) is called a 4-6 chord, not 6-4; that's what you mean, right? I'm not sure about the proper names in English. FYI, in German language, c' f' a' is called Quart-Sext-Akkord, i.e. we also first consider the 4th, and then the 6th. Greetings, Juergen ___ Lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re[2]: Figured Bass support
Hello, Since Han-Wen implemented necessary resolution, it's probably unnecessary to discuss this further. However, if any of you are interested, I uploaded a collection of Grove articles on the subject at http://www.lumbroso.fr/figuredbass.zip And if my One-Hour ticket isn't used up, you may want to check the concise and very full dictionary for yourself, at www.grovemusic.com using the follow identification information (quickly): onehour_pass_84577 93836 Please, enjoy this... -- Best regards, Jérémiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Figured Bass support
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (a first attempt to post seemed to go into a black hole ... try again ...) The figured bass support in lilypond (wonderful!) is a little tricky to use for three reasons: 1) The figures have to be entered in the reverse order (that is a six-four chord is entered 4 6). Of course, this assumes that you do call it that and not a four-six chord, but I *think* is universally so. In dutch, c' f' a' (absolute pitches) is called a 4-6 chord, not 6-4; that's what you mean, right? I'm not sure about the proper names in English. Can you do some more research to find out what is the Right Way? I've added #'direction for the BassFigure grob, so you can the stacking direction. (1.7 cvs) The last problem is easily fixed: \property FiguredBass.BassFigure \override #'font-relative-size = #-3 just before the figures does the trick. I've added this to scm/grob-description.scm -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hanwen ___ Lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
