Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 14.12.2013 08:56, schrieb James: On 14/12/13 07:14, Urs Liska wrote: Am 14.12.2013 04:53, schrieb Graham Percival: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:06:38PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? I suggest deleting it. There's no evidence that the proposed mentors are still available or interested, and those specific proposals are a small subject of the available issues in the tracker. - Graham I assume that all infos about project examples are present on the tracker? http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=1q=gsoc ? James This isn't exactly the info about the project ideas but mainly what has actually been done during that time. I think the project ideas of that page should be kept in the tracker. If you agree and the content shouldn't silently be dumped I see two ways: 1) Adding one issue pointing to this patch https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2381 where Janek entered the ideas list for the page. 2) Adding new issues for each list item, copying the text from the website. Or do you think this could silently be discarded? After all, I think _anything_ on this list should have been tracked as issues for quite some time, isn't it? Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:06:38PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? I suggest deleting it. There's no evidence that the proposed mentors are still available or interested, and those specific proposals are a small subject of the available issues in the tracker. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 14.12.2013 04:53, schrieb Graham Percival: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:06:38PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? I suggest deleting it. There's no evidence that the proposed mentors are still available or interested, and those specific proposals are a small subject of the available issues in the tracker. - Graham I assume that all infos about project examples are present on the tracker? So we wouldn't lose information through deleting it (apart from it being in the Git history of course) Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
On 14/12/13 07:14, Urs Liska wrote: Am 14.12.2013 04:53, schrieb Graham Percival: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:06:38PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? I suggest deleting it. There's no evidence that the proposed mentors are still available or interested, and those specific proposals are a small subject of the available issues in the tracker. - Graham I assume that all infos about project examples are present on the tracker? http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=1q=gsoc ? James ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Website questions: GSoC
The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? Immediate reaction: Put it on the attic. But: Would it be useful to write a summary of what of it actually happened? If yes: Is there something willing and able to do that? Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? Immediate reaction: Put it on the attic. But: Would it be useful to write a summary of what of it actually happened? If yes: Is there something willing and able to do that? Urs Janek participated in that - I was his mentor. I’d recommend you ask him about that, perhaps in a personal mail, as he’s taken a leave of absence. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? Immediate reaction: Put it on the attic. But: Would it be useful to write a summary of what of it actually happened? If yes: Is there something willing and able to do that? Urs Janek participated in that - I was his mentor. I’d recommend you ask him about that, perhaps in a personal mail, as he’s taken a leave of absence. Cheers, MS I know that Janek participated - and couldn't finish his project. So this is all we have: One participant who failed? Then I suggest completely removing the page from the website. It's nothing to be embarrassed about, but also nothing to put on your website IMO. Question: Should the ideas on that page be preserved as ideas for future development? This could be on the tracker or on some other page. Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Urs Liska wrote Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska lt; ul@ gt; wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? What about just changing it to GSoC (dropping the 2012) and make it a general GSoC page. Assuming we're still interested in attracting future GSoCoders, having this page shows our interest, our past participation, and some examples of what future projects might look like. Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light: he learned a lot, the task turned out to be more involved than was first thought, but he is still working on finishing it and is still actively contributing to the project in other ways as well etc. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Website-questions-GSoC-tp155646p155661.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 12.12.2013 16:39, schrieb Paul Morris: Urs Liska wrote Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska lt; ul@ gt; wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? What about just changing it to GSoC (dropping the 2012) and make it a general GSoC page. Assuming we're still interested in attracting future GSoCoders, having this page shows our interest, our past participation, and some examples of what future projects might look like. Sounds good. Could be made into sth like: These are some ideas. Maybe you're interested in such a project? What would be the basic requirement to apply for/participate in a future GSoC? Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light: he learned a lot, the task turned out to be more involved than was first thought, but he is still working on finishing it and is still actively contributing to the project in other ways as well etc. If we turn it into a generic GSoC page that's certainly possible. Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 12.12.2013 16:39, schrieb Paul Morris: Urs Liska wrote Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska lt; ul@ gt; wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? What about just changing it to GSoC (dropping the 2012) and make it a general GSoC page. Assuming we're still interested in attracting future GSoCoders, having this page shows our interest, our past participation, and some examples of what future projects might look like. Sounds good. Could be made into sth like: These are some ideas. Maybe you're interested in such a project? What would be the basic requirement to apply for/participate in a future GSoC? Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light: he learned a lot, the task turned out to be more involved than was first thought, but he is still working on finishing it and is still actively contributing to the project in other ways as well etc. If we turn it into a generic GSoC page that's certainly possible. I'd let the topic of the last GSoC rest until there are more tangible followup results. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 12.12.2013 16:51, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 12.12.2013 16:39, schrieb Paul Morris: Urs Liska wrote Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska lt; ul@ gt; wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? What about just changing it to GSoC (dropping the 2012) and make it a general GSoC page. Assuming we're still interested in attracting future GSoCoders, having this page shows our interest, our past participation, and some examples of what future projects might look like. Sounds good. Could be made into sth like: These are some ideas. Maybe you're interested in such a project? What would be the basic requirement to apply for/participate in a future GSoC? Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light: he learned a lot, the task turned out to be more involved than was first thought, but he is still working on finishing it and is still actively contributing to the project in other ways as well etc. If we turn it into a generic GSoC page that's certainly possible. I'd let the topic of the last GSoC rest until there are more tangible followup results. What do you exactly mean by that? Leaving the page as it is currently? Or removing the page completely? I can't tell what you suggest. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 12.12.2013 16:51, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 12.12.2013 16:39, schrieb Paul Morris: Urs Liska wrote Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska lt; ul@ gt; wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? What about just changing it to GSoC (dropping the 2012) and make it a general GSoC page. Assuming we're still interested in attracting future GSoCoders, having this page shows our interest, our past participation, and some examples of what future projects might look like. Sounds good. Could be made into sth like: These are some ideas. Maybe you're interested in such a project? What would be the basic requirement to apply for/participate in a future GSoC? Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light: he learned a lot, the task turned out to be more involved than was first thought, but he is still working on finishing it and is still actively contributing to the project in other ways as well etc. If we turn it into a generic GSoC page that's certainly possible. I'd let the topic of the last GSoC rest until there are more tangible followup results. What do you exactly mean by that? Leaving the page as it is currently? Or removing the page completely? I can't tell what you suggest. I suggest to let the topic of the _last_ GSoC rest until there are more tangible results. That concerns the Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light angle. That does neither mean leaving the page as it is currently, nor removing it completely. It just means that we should not try selling something as a success until we have more to show for it. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 12.12.2013 17:09, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 12.12.2013 16:51, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 12.12.2013 16:39, schrieb Paul Morris: Urs Liska wrote Am 12.12.2013 14:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Urs Liska lt; ul@ gt; wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? What about just changing it to GSoC (dropping the 2012) and make it a general GSoC page. Assuming we're still interested in attracting future GSoCoders, having this page shows our interest, our past participation, and some examples of what future projects might look like. Sounds good. Could be made into sth like: These are some ideas. Maybe you're interested in such a project? What would be the basic requirement to apply for/participate in a future GSoC? Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light: he learned a lot, the task turned out to be more involved than was first thought, but he is still working on finishing it and is still actively contributing to the project in other ways as well etc. If we turn it into a generic GSoC page that's certainly possible. I'd let the topic of the last GSoC rest until there are more tangible followup results. What do you exactly mean by that? Leaving the page as it is currently? Or removing the page completely? I can't tell what you suggest. I suggest to let the topic of the _last_ GSoC rest until there are more tangible results. That concerns the Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light angle. That does neither mean leaving the page as it is currently, nor removing it completely. It just means that we should not try selling something as a success until we have more to show for it. Thanks. That's clear now. So my suggestion is: - Rename GSoC 2012 to GSoC - Add a general introduction, saying sth like maybe we could participate again in the future - keep the topic suggestions (apart from Janek's topic) I think this could be left until someone feels the need to clarify/add/update anything. Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
David Kastrup wrote I suggest to let the topic of the _last_ GSoC rest until there are more tangible results. That concerns the Janek's GSoC work can legitimately be presented in a positive light angle. That does neither mean leaving the page as it is currently, nor removing it completely. It just means that we should not try selling something as a success until we have more to show for it. That makes sense to me. No need to either hide it as a failure or sell it as a success before the results are in. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Website-questions-GSoC-tp155646p155668.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Urs Liska wrote Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:27 PM Question: Should the ideas on that page be preserved as ideas for future development? This could be on the tracker or on some other page. Most if not all of Janek's work is preserved in the LilyPond git repository under various incomplete branches with 'Janek' in the name. Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: Website questions: GSoC
Am 12.12.2013 18:36, schrieb Trevor Daniels: Urs Liska wrote Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:27 PM Question: Should the ideas on that page be preserved as ideas for future development? This could be on the tracker or on some other page. Most if not all of Janek's work is preserved in the LilyPond git repository under various incomplete branches with 'Janek' in the name. Trevor Actually I was talking about the _other_ stuff, Our 2012 ideas list. Now I see that Janek's work isn't on that page at all. Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
