Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Hello,
On 25/01/2020 09:43, Malte Meyn wrote:
Am 25.01.20 um 08:12 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
Before adding it to the bug tracker I want to check this group's
knowledge whether there is a reason that French beams are longer than
normal:
\relative c'' {
r16 f d f
\override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
r16 f d f
}
Looking into scores from French publishers this behaviour seems to be
incorrect.
Another problem that has to do with stem lengths in french beaming:
articulations use the shorter beam length for positioning, resulting
in collisions:
%
\version "2.19.83"
\relative c'' {
\voiceTwo
r16 f-> d-> f->
\override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
r16 f-> d-> f->
}
%
Both beam and articulation positions should be the same for default
and french beams. Probably the easiest solution would be to have
shorter stem stencils without decreasing the stems’ Y extents.
Added as
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/5691/
James
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Am 25.01.20 um 08:12 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
Before adding it to the bug tracker I want to check this group's
knowledge whether there is a reason that French beams are longer than
normal:
\relative c'' {
r16 f d f
\override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
r16 f d f
}
Looking into scores from French publishers this behaviour seems to be
incorrect.
Another problem that has to do with stem lengths in french beaming:
articulations use the shorter beam length for positioning, resulting in
collisions:
%
\version "2.19.83"
\relative c'' {
\voiceTwo
r16 f-> d-> f->
\override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
r16 f-> d-> f->
}
%
Both beam and articulation positions should be the same for default and
french beams. Probably the easiest solution would be to have shorter
stem stencils without decreasing the stems’ Y extents.
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 09:27:07AM +0100, Thomas Morley wrote:
> Am Sa., 25. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Kevin Barry :
> >
> > The minimum length of the stem of the middle note is forcing the beams down.
>
> Not here. It's more the relevant value of
> beamed-extreme-minimum-free-lengths. See:
>
> \relative c'' {
> r16 f d f
> \override Stem.details.beamed-extreme-minimum-free-lengths =
> #'(2.0 0.8) %% original: '(2.0 1.25)
> \override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
> r16 f d f
> }
OK I see. It seems the value is hard coded now, but in the case of
French beaming it would need to be different depending on how many beams
there are (the above code works for semiquavers, but I think the value
needs to be smaller for demisemiquavers).
I am happy to try patching it, but I wouldn't know where to start.
>
> Cheers,
> Harm
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Am Sa., 25. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Kevin Barry :
>
> The minimum length of the stem of the middle note is forcing the beams down.
Not here. It's more the relevant value of
beamed-extreme-minimum-free-lengths. See:
\relative c'' {
r16 f d f
\override Stem.details.beamed-extreme-minimum-free-lengths =
#'(2.0 0.8) %% original: '(2.0 1.25)
\override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
r16 f d f
}
Cheers,
Harm
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Am 25. Januar 2020 08:56:44 MEZ schrieb Werner LEMBERG : > >> What is "french beaming" supposed to do/be? > >No stems within the beam. Ah, yes. Sorry for forgetting that... > > >Werner -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
> The minimum length of the stem of the middle note is forcing the > beams down. Sounds sensible. Can you provide a patch to fix that? The minimum stem length for french beams must be handled identically to the non-french case. Werner
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
The minimum length of the stem of the middle note is forcing the beams down.
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
> What is "french beaming" supposed to do/be? No stems within the beam. Werner
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Am 25. Januar 2020 08:36:08 MEZ schrieb Han-Wen Nienhuys :
>Looks like a bug.
What is "french beaming" supposed to do/be?
>
>On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 8:12 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>>
>>
>> Before adding it to the bug tracker I want to check this group's
>> knowledge whether there is a reason that French beams are longer than
>> normal:
>>
>> \relative c'' {
>> r16 f d f
>> \override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
>> r16 f d f
>> }
>>
>> Looking into scores from French publishers this behaviour seems to be
>> incorrect.
>>
>>
>> Werner
--
Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
Re: french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Looks like a bug.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 8:12 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>
>
> Before adding it to the bug tracker I want to check this group's
> knowledge whether there is a reason that French beams are longer than
> normal:
>
> \relative c'' {
> r16 f d f
> \override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
> r16 f d f
> }
>
> Looking into scores from French publishers this behaviour seems to be
> incorrect.
>
>
> Werner
--
Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanw...@gmail.com - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen
french beaming incorrectly makes stems longer
Before adding it to the bug tracker I want to check this group's
knowledge whether there is a reason that French beams are longer than
normal:
\relative c'' {
r16 f d f
\override Stem.french-beaming = ##t
r16 f d f
}
Looking into scores from French publishers this behaviour seems to be
incorrect.
Werner
