Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
2014-02-24 0:45 GMT+01:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: So, i'd personally lean towards creating a big lilypond-notes repo that everyone from LilyPond community can access. Or maybe we could put this in an existing repo, like https://github.com/gperciva/lilypond-extra ? Opinions? https://github.com/lilypond/roadmap ? Actually I was thinking about putting there other lily stuff as well (so that we don't end up with gazillion differeent repos): - notes about lily promotional materials - my ties research - my various other notes - unfinished stuff (for example unfinished docs like this one http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3273) So, what about lilypond-notes, or staging-area, or development-resources? As discussed, i have created https://github.com/openlilylib/development-resources (and added some stuff to it) Everyone is welcome to contribute. j ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
Hi Janek (et al.), I’ve know someone at Carnegie-Mellon University who is well-connected in the computer and music departments (he is both a composer and a programmer). I approached him recently with the idea of getting involved with Lilypond. He said: One possibility is that sometimes there are software engineering projects looking for tasks, so I might be able to point a class project at Lilypond in the future. I'm curious if there's a short summary of the direction for large-scale work on Lilypond. Is there something we can forward to him, so that he can take it to his department and/or colleagues for consideration? If we could convince a major university to take on [some or all of the] programming — for single projects or the whole enchilada — I think it would be a big boost to the ‘Pond. That would be extremely cool! As for the list of long-term projects, i don't think we have any (which is very bad for the project imo). I would be happy to write something down if there is at least one other developer interested in reviewing and expanding it. No volunteers? :-( Kieren, i'm not sure if it's not too late for this, but _maybe_ i'll manage to write something down anyway. With all due respect for everyone’s time, I am bringing what is in my opinion an unprecedented opportunity to the Lilypond team — and I’ve got no response worthy of bringing back to my contact. Can nobody give me an “official” answer for him? Thanks, Kieren. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 07:07:39PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: I’ve know someone at Carnegie-Mellon University who is well-connected in the computer and music departments (he is both a composer and a programmer). I approached him recently with the idea of getting involved with Lilypond. He said: One possibility is that sometimes there are software engineering projects looking for tasks, so I might be able to point a class project at Lilypond in the future. I'm curious if there's a short summary of the direction for large-scale work on Lilypond. With all due respect for everyone’s time, I am bringing what is in my opinion an unprecedented opportunity to the Lilypond team — and I’ve got no response worthy of bringing back to my contact. Can nobody give me an “official” answer for him? My guess is that people are leery of inviting newcomers who might expect mentoring, when there is clearly no mentoring spots available. Our code base is notoriously difficult to learn, and if we specifically send a list of tasks to a professor, in my mind there's an implicit offer to welcome (if not teach) a student who tries to work on one of those tasks. This doesn't bode well for the long-term survival of lilypond, but that's something that's been discussed off and on for at least the past 8 years, so I don't expect any immediate change on this matter. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
Hi, 2014-02-15 21:16 GMT+01:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: 2014-02-15 18:54 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: I’ve know someone at Carnegie-Mellon University who is well-connected in the computer and music departments (he is both a composer and a programmer). I approached him recently with the idea of getting involved with Lilypond. He said: One possibility is that sometimes there are software engineering projects looking for tasks, so I might be able to point a class project at Lilypond in the future. I'm curious if there's a short summary of the direction for large-scale work on Lilypond. Is there something we can forward to him, so that he can take it to his department and/or colleagues for consideration? If we could convince a major university to take on [some or all of the] programming — for single projects or the whole enchilada — I think it would be a big boost to the ‘Pond. That would be extremely cool! As for the list of long-term projects, i don't think we have any (which is very bad for the project imo). I would be happy to write something down if there is at least one other developer interested in reviewing and expanding it. No volunteers? :-( Kieren, i'm not sure if it's not too late for this, but _maybe_ i'll manage to write something down anyway. best, Janek ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
Am 23.02.2014 13:09, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi, 2014-02-15 21:16 GMT+01:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: 2014-02-15 18:54 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: I’ve know someone at Carnegie-Mellon University who is well-connected in the computer and music departments (he is both a composer and a programmer). I approached him recently with the idea of getting involved with Lilypond. He said: One possibility is that sometimes there are software engineering projects looking for tasks, so I might be able to point a class project at Lilypond in the future. I'm curious if there's a short summary of the direction for large-scale work on Lilypond. Is there something we can forward to him, so that he can take it to his department and/or colleagues for consideration? If we could convince a major university to take on [some or all of the] programming — for single projects or the whole enchilada — I think it would be a big boost to the ‘Pond. That would be extremely cool! As for the list of long-term projects, i don't think we have any (which is very bad for the project imo). I would be happy to write something down if there is at least one other developer interested in reviewing and expanding it. No volunteers? :-( Kieren, i'm not sure if it's not too late for this, but _maybe_ i'll manage to write something down anyway. best, Janek I didn't want to post that because I'm not ready with it yet, but I think I have to comment on this occasion. I was asked by the head of the music informatics (however the correct English term would be) department of a University nearby for suggestions for projects that could be assigned to students for their bachelor, master or PhD thesis'. This will of course be a non-binding list without guarantee that anything will be really done. But it _can_ provide nice input of man-power. I will write together a list with projects, but explicitly from my (i.e. the musicological) perspective. I already have such a document, but that's more a personal sketch. Maybe it's a good idea to do that in a Wiki of github.com/openlilylib? Urs ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
2014-02-23 13:44 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Am 23.02.2014 13:09, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2014-02-15 21:16 GMT+01:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: As for the list of long-term projects, i don't think we have any (which is very bad for the project imo). I would be happy to write something down if there is at least one other developer interested in reviewing and expanding it. No volunteers? :-( Kieren, i'm not sure if it's not too late for this, but _maybe_ i'll manage to write something down anyway. I didn't want to post that because I'm not ready with it yet, but I think I have to comment on this occasion. I was asked by the head of the music informatics (however the correct English term would be) department of a University nearby for suggestions for projects that could be assigned to students for their bachelor, master or PhD thesis'. This will of course be a non-binding list without guarantee that anything will be really done. But it _can_ provide nice input of man-power. Wow, this is awesome!! I will write together a list with projects, but explicitly from my (i.e. the musicological) perspective. I already have such a document, but that's more a personal sketch. Maybe it's a good idea to do that in a Wiki of github.com/openlilylib? Hmm. A wiki would be nice, but maybe it could just be a full-blown repo with lilypond notes? The thing is: editing text files in a repo using github interface is as simple as editing a wiki (the only difference is that you need permission to edit files in the repo, while the wiki can be open to everyone - but we could give permission to everyone who asked). To add images or other files (i.e. non-text stuff) to the wiki, one has to clone it like a repo anyway (github wikis are git repos under the hood). So, i'd personally lean towards creating a big lilypond-notes repo that everyone from LilyPond community can access. Or maybe we could put this in an existing repo, like https://github.com/gperciva/lilypond-extra ? Opinions? best, Janek PS for the people who don't like GitHub: maybe we could use gitlab for that, if someone would volunteer setting the repo up. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
Am 23.02.2014 17:38, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2014-02-23 13:44 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Am 23.02.2014 13:09, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2014-02-15 21:16 GMT+01:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: As for the list of long-term projects, i don't think we have any (which is very bad for the project imo). I would be happy to write something down if there is at least one other developer interested in reviewing and expanding it. No volunteers? :-( Kieren, i'm not sure if it's not too late for this, but _maybe_ i'll manage to write something down anyway. I didn't want to post that because I'm not ready with it yet, but I think I have to comment on this occasion. I was asked by the head of the music informatics (however the correct English term would be) department of a University nearby for suggestions for projects that could be assigned to students for their bachelor, master or PhD thesis'. This will of course be a non-binding list without guarantee that anything will be really done. But it _can_ provide nice input of man-power. Wow, this is awesome!! Let's hope it will lead to something. I talked with this professor as part of my recent lobbying activities, and asked if it would be possible to give students projects of that kind. He was very welcoming and told me that he's always looking for ideas for the students who don't have ideas by themselves (ts, ts ...). As they have the computer science and the musicological institute which don't work together as intensely as hoped, he is quite interested in supporting projects that may promote the relationship of both. I will write together a list with projects, but explicitly from my (i.e. the musicological) perspective. I already have such a document, but that's more a personal sketch. Maybe it's a good idea to do that in a Wiki of github.com/openlilylib? Hmm. A wiki would be nice, but maybe it could just be a full-blown repo with lilypond notes? The thing is: editing text files in a repo using github interface is as simple as editing a wiki (the only difference is that you need permission to edit files in the repo, while the wiki can be open to everyone - but we could give permission to everyone who asked). To add images or other files (i.e. non-text stuff) to the wiki, one has to clone it like a repo anyway (github wikis are git repos under the hood). Makes sense. So, i'd personally lean towards creating a big lilypond-notes repo that everyone from LilyPond community can access. Or maybe we could put this in an existing repo, like https://github.com/gperciva/lilypond-extra ? Opinions? https://github.com/lilypond/roadmap ? Urs best, Janek PS for the people who don't like GitHub: maybe we could use gitlab for that, if someone would volunteer setting the repo up. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
2014-02-24 0:28 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: I talked with this professor as part of my recent lobbying activities, and asked if it would be possible to give students projects of that kind. He was very welcoming and told me that he's always looking for ideas for the students who don't have ideas by themselves (ts, ts ...). As they have the computer science and the musicological institute which don't work together as intensely as hoped, he is quite interested in supporting projects that may promote the relationship of both. Cool! Well, it may turn out that noone will actually start working on lilypond (i tried something similar with my university, but without success - yet) but it's defintiely woth trying. if everyone did this with their university, i'm pretty sure that we would eventually find interested people :) So, i'd personally lean towards creating a big lilypond-notes repo that everyone from LilyPond community can access. Or maybe we could put this in an existing repo, like https://github.com/gperciva/lilypond-extra ? Opinions? https://github.com/lilypond/roadmap ? Actually I was thinking about putting there other lily stuff as well (so that we don't end up with gazillion differeent repos): - notes about lily promotional materials - my ties research - my various other notes - unfinished stuff (for example unfinished docs like this one http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3273) So, what about lilypond-notes, or staging-area, or development-resources? j ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: [SPAM] Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)
Am 24.02.2014 00:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2014-02-24 0:28 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: I talked with this professor as part of my recent lobbying activities, and asked if it would be possible to give students projects of that kind. He was very welcoming and told me that he's always looking for ideas for the students who don't have ideas by themselves (ts, ts ...). As they have the computer science and the musicological institute which don't work together as intensely as hoped, he is quite interested in supporting projects that may promote the relationship of both. Cool! Well, it may turn out that noone will actually start working on lilypond (i tried something similar with my university, but without success - yet) but it's defintiely woth trying. if everyone did this with their university, i'm pretty sure that we would eventually find interested people :) I corresponded with someone at Edirom (www.edirom.de) who wrote that he has the idea of writing a MEI-to-LilyPond converter, exactly with the idea (I assume) of integrating LilyPond in a scholarly workflow. In dem Zusammenhang wäre es aber vor allem spannend, Lilypond in einem Web-Kontext sinnvoll einbauen zu können. Hier scheint sich die Situation zwar inzwischen etwas gebessert zu haben, war bei meiner letzten Recherche aber immer noch alles andere als befriedigend. - In this context it would be particularly interesting to integrate LilyPond in a web context. The situation seems to have improved but when I looked into it for the last time it still was far from satisfying. I replied that LilyPond can of course be called from a web server application, but I think from that kind of perspective it would be especially useful to have LilyPond behave like a library. And I think there really could be some interest from this area of business. They are all involved in encoding of music and therefore with text formats, so this shouldn't be the fundamental barrier that it is in many other areas. [Maybe I should at this point make one thing clear: Of course I know that all the stuff I'm thinking and talking about isn't the purpose of LilyPond, and when I'm pondering about improvements or extensions in that direction I don't want to say that's what LilyPond should be heading to. But it is _one_ important application of LilyPond, and it could be an area where one could get money or developers from.] So, i'd personally lean towards creating a big lilypond-notes repo that everyone from LilyPond community can access. Or maybe we could put this in an existing repo, like https://github.com/gperciva/lilypond-extra ? Opinions? https://github.com/lilypond/roadmap ? Actually I was thinking about putting there other lily stuff as well (so that we don't end up with gazillion differeent repos): - notes about lily promotional materials - my ties research - my various other notes - unfinished stuff (for example unfinished docs like this one http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3273) So, what about lilypond-notes, OK. or staging-area, No. or development-resources? My favourite of this list. Urs j ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
