Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Dear Neil,
your tweak of the score inside markup is indeed a GREAT improvement. I
altered the scm/define-markup-commands.scm according to you suggestion and
the score inside markuplines is now split into multiple lines as necessary.
Nevertheless, for flawless output, I can see still one problem, regarding
the start of the staff. The staff always begins at the start of a new line,
leaving the previous line of the text half empty. This is not the case when
the music is very short: then it is exactly in-line (i.e. staying at the
same line as the surrounding text), but when the music is multi-line, it
always tends to start at a new line. This is not so big problem, but when
you need justified lines in the markupblock - and you do need justified
lines in a top-quality publication - then this will ruin the half-empty line
before the score, since the words will be spaced very wide apart (please see
the appended example). This is not quite acceptable. Either I would need to
let the last text line before the music ragged, or - better - I would need
the staff to start exactly at the same line with the text to fill the rest
of the half empty line, and only then break to a second line. This would be
the most perfect solution. Is this possible, or am I asking too much?
Also, please forgive my inability with Lilypond - I did read the
documentation for the vertical spacing - but I still did not figure out how
to make the systems inside the markuplines block appear closer together. As
you can see from the example below, I was trying \override VerticalAxisGroup
#'minimum-Y-extent = #'(0 . 0), also between-system-padding = #0.0 and
between-system-space = #0.0 and still, the staves are wider spaced than
necessary. At best, the system vertical spacing should imitate the tight
spacing of the lines of the surrounding text. Any help appreciated.
%begin Lily - Example
\version 2.12.2
\markuplines {
\justified-lines {
the inline music:
\vcenter
\score { \new Staff \relative c'
{ \repeat unfold 12 {r4 a d f a d f2} }
\layout {
indent = 0.0\cm
\context {
\Staff
fontSize = #-12
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(0 . 0)
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -12)
\override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep -12)
\remove Time_signature_engraver
}
\context {
\Score
\remove Bar_number_engraver
between-system-padding = #0.0
between-system-space = #0.0
}
}
}
the text continues after the music...
}
}
%end Lily - Example
Neil Puttock wrote:
If you don't mind amending scm/define-markup-commands.scm, you can try
the following tweaks.
(define-builtin-markup-command (score layout props score) [...]
Despite the rudimentary formatting here (you can only set the distance
between the systems; paper variables set in \layout will be ignored),
I think this would be a useful improvement on the current behaviour,
so I'll prepare a patch with these changes.
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Re: RE: centering rests
I think that's a bug as R2 is not centered. Original message From: Erik Appeldoorn ursus.k...@ziggo.nl Sent: 29 Oct 2009 18:39 +01:00 To: 'Kieren MacMillan' kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: RE: centering rests You are quite right, and I have never even bothered to check. Although I have a quite substantial library and am over 25 years active with music. Erik -Original Message- From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca] Sent: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:29 To: Erik Appeldoorn Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: centering rests Hi Erik, when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't. In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the *only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space - all other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s). Hope this helps! Kieren.= ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: website so close, and yet so far
Patrick McCarty wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com wrote: Am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 17:23:18 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: Am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009 schrieb Valentin Villenave: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Federico Bruni brunol...@gmx.com wrote: I have to admit I'm pretty disappointed with the user community. Wow, is this normal: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/ This link points to the non-officially-published website's homepage??? I just look on it and would like to mention that the site has some problems with Konqueror 3: The content from the heading (Documentation for Lilypond 2.13.6) to above of the footer is embedded in a scrolling area. (see attached screen shot). Yes, because it's a div with overflow set to scrolling in the CSS... IIRC, this hack is needed to push the footer to the bottom of each web page (over the floating content). It works in every browser I've tested, but apparently there are issues with Konqueror 3. there is the same issue with Konqueror 4 If anyone has a more portable fix, please let me know. I would use this solution, it's reported to work fine also with Konqueror: http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/ Cheers, Federico -- Federico Bruni | http://www.gnurag.net/blog/ LibrePlanet Italia http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/LibrePlanetItalia ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: centering rests
Bertalan Fodor wrote:
I think that's a bug as R2 is not centered.
??? An R2 is certainly centered within the measure if you have 2/4 time:
\new Staff \relative c'{ \time 2/4 c8 d e f }
\new Staff {R2 }
However, as was pointed out by Kieren, a half note rest in the beginning
of a 4/4 measure should be left aligned with the first note of the
measure, not centered in the first half of the measure, according to
common typesetting practice.
/Mats
Original message
From: Erik Appeldoorn ursus.k...@ziggo.nl
Sent: 29 Oct 2009 18:39 +01:00
To: 'Kieren MacMillan' kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: RE: centering rests
You are quite right, and I have never even bothered to check. Although I
have a quite substantial library and am over 25 years active with music.
Erik
-Original Message-
From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca]
Sent: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:29
To: Erik Appeldoorn
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: centering rests
Hi Erik,
when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks
awfull. So how do I align these rests centered?
If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way
through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at
the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't.
In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the
*only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space - all
other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the
flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s).
Hope this helps!
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bracket and staff names
I have a snipped of code that doesn't quite come out is expected / wanted.
The score is a choir SATB with organ (two staffs)
I would like the normal bracket to be in front of the SATB staffs. It now
extends to the last staf.
2nd I'm missing the names of the voices before the staves although I use the
\set Staff.instrumentName.
Any other hints also very welcome.
\score {
\new ChoirStaff
{
\new Staff = Sopraan \sop
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
}
{
\new Staff = Alt \alt
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Alt
}
{
\new Staff = Tenor \ten
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Tenor
}
{
\new Staff = Bas \bas
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Bas
}
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = ManualOne
\new Voice { \rh }
\new Staff = ManualTwo
\new Voice { \lh }
}
Hou je goed / Keep well,
Erik
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Re: website so close, and yet so far
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Federico Bruni brunol...@gmx.com wrote: Patrick McCarty wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com wrote: there is the same issue with Konqueror 4 If anyone has a more portable fix, please let me know. I would use this solution, it's reported to work fine also with Konqueror: http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/ That looks great! Would you be willing to add this to our CSS stylesheet? I don't really have the time/interest right now to pursue this. If you or anyone else are interested, the current stylesheet is located here: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/lilypond-web.css Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: bracket and staff names
Erik Appeldoorn wrote:
I have a snipped of code that doesn’t quite come out is expected /
wanted. The score is a choir SATB with organ (two staffs)
I would like the normal bracket to be in front of the SATB staffs. It
now extends to the last staf.
Yes, since you include all the staves within the ChoirStaff. I think you
rather want to follow the structure used in the Learning Manual template
SATB + piano:
\score{
\new ChoirStaff
% Here comes the two staves for the SATB ...
\new PianoStaff
% Here comes the two staves for the organ
}
I would recommend to use indentation as I did above and as is done in
the examples in the manual, to make it easier to see the overall
hierarchical structure of the score.
/Mats
2^nd I’m missing the names of the voices before the staves although I
use the \set Staff.instrumentName.
Any other hints also very welcome.
\score {
\new ChoirStaff
{
\new Staff = Sopraan \sop
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
}
{
\new Staff = Alt \alt
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Alt
}
{
\new Staff = Tenor \ten
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Tenor
}
{
\new Staff = Bas \bas
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Bas
}
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = ManualOne
\new Voice { \rh }
\new Staff = ManualTwo
\new Voice { \lh }
}
//Hou je goed / Keep well,//
//Erik//
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Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Jiri Zurek (Prague) zu...@ics.cas.cz writes: your tweak of the score inside markup is indeed a GREAT improvement. I altered the scm/define-markup-commands.scm according to you suggestion and the score inside markuplines is now split into multiple lines as necessary. Nevertheless, for flawless output, I can see still one problem, regarding the start of the staff. The staff always begins at the start of a new line, leaving the previous line of the text half empty. This is not the case when the music is very short: then it is exactly in-line (i.e. staying at the same line as the surrounding text), but when the music is multi-line, it always tends to start at a new line. This is not so big problem, but when you need justified lines in the markupblock - and you do need justified lines in a top-quality publication - then this will ruin the half-empty line before the score, since the words will be spaced very wide apart (please see the appended example). This is not quite acceptable. In such an arrangement, justified text is simply a bad idea to use. The same problem occurs with typesetting mathematics when writing inline formulas of more than a few characters in length. I would always prefer avoiding music line breaks in text. To make this work not just by accident, ragged-right is better to use than justified text. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: bracket and staff names
Erik Appeldoorn wrote:
2nd I'm missing the names of the voices before the staves although I use
the
\set Staff.instrumentName.
if yout set the instrument names *before* the notes they will be displayed:
\new Staff = Sopraan {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
}
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RE: bracket and staff names
Mats,
Bracket problem solved
I just miscounted the place for the closing
It now looks slightly different and brackets are in place as I want them.
But still no names before the staffs
Thanks, Erik
-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se]
Sent: vrijdag 30 oktober 2009 11:00
To: Erik Appeldoorn
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bracket and staff names
Erik Appeldoorn wrote:
I have a snipped of code that doesn't quite come out is expected /
wanted. The score is a choir SATB with organ (two staffs)
I would like the normal bracket to be in front of the SATB staffs. It
now extends to the last staf.
Yes, since you include all the staves within the ChoirStaff. I think you
rather want to follow the structure used in the Learning Manual template
SATB + piano:
\score{
\new ChoirStaff
% Here comes the two staves for the SATB ...
\new PianoStaff
% Here comes the two staves for the organ
}
I would recommend to use indentation as I did above and as is done in
the examples in the manual, to make it easier to see the overall
hierarchical structure of the score.
/Mats
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RE: bracket and staff names
Eluze
Thanks for the explanation, but solving one problem creates a new one.
The names of the staves now are correct. But the lyrics belonging to the
notes are completely misplaced. Lyrics of voices now get collected all in
one go below the bass staff.
More to learn I guess. Here is how it is looking now.
\score {
\new ChoirStaff
\new Staff = Sopraan {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
}
\new Staff = Alt {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Alt
\alt
}
\new Staff = Tenor {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Tenor
\ten
}
\new Staff = Bas {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Bas
\bas
}
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff = ManualOne
\new Voice { \rh }
\new Staff = ManualTwo
\new Voice { \lh }
}
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From: lilypond-user-bounces+ursus.kirk=ziggo...@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-
user-bounces+ursus.kirk=ziggo...@gnu.org] On Behalf Of -Eluze
Sent: vrijdag 30 oktober 2009 11:20
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bracket and staff names
Erik Appeldoorn wrote:
2nd I'm missing the names of the voices before the staves although I use
the
\set Staff.instrumentName.
if yout set the instrument names *before* the notes they will be
displayed:
\new Staff = Sopraan {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
}
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Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Dear David, thank you for your valuable opinion but, in my case, the text needs to be justified and the music inside markuplines should wrap along the lines of the surrounding text. I am using it for a musicological apparatus accompanying the piece and if the systems of the piece and other texts of the book are well justified, it makes no sense to interrupt the flow with ragged-right apparatus. Imagine, this book will have several hundred pages and hundreds of small musical pieces - liturgical antiphones, each accompanied by the apparatus. It must be justified. I still hope there is a solution for my problem, and I even suspect that it may be again very easy. Imagine, that if you have very short score inside markup, it is already now printed in-line, not at the new line!!! So, the functionality is already present. Therefore, according to my understanding, there might a function in Lilypond which tells: if you encounter a score block which is longer than the empty rest of the line, then jump to a new line. This made sense when there was no break within the score possible. Now, that thanks to Neil we have the score block inside markuplines breakable, the function should be simply disabled. The music would start at the same line with the text and when the end of line is reached, it would simply break to another one. Any help appreciated. David Kastrup wrote: In such an arrangement, justified text is simply a bad idea to use. The same problem occurs with typesetting mathematics when writing inline formulas of more than a few characters in length. I would always prefer avoiding music line breaks in text. To make this work not just by accident, ragged-right is better to use than justified text. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Inline-score-inside-markup---bugs-in-music-alignment-tp26111727p26128111.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: bracket and staff names
Thanks again all. I found the problem
\new Staff = Sopraan {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
}
Should be
\new Staff = Sopraan
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
And all looks well now. Probably have more questions later, but for now I am
content.
Keep well, Erik
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user-bounces+ursus.kirk=ziggo...@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Erik Appeldoorn
Sent: vrijdag 30 oktober 2009 11:45
To: '-Eluze'
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: RE: bracket and staff names
Eluze
Thanks for the explanation, but solving one problem creates a new one.
The names of the staves now are correct. But the lyrics belonging to the
notes are completely misplaced. Lyrics of voices now get collected all in
one go below the bass staff.
More to learn I guess. Here is how it is looking now.
\score {
\new ChoirStaff
\new Staff = Sopraan {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
}
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Scheme code snippet: lyric newlines/paragraphs
Peer review requested! I've added a snippet to LSR, showcasing my absolute brilliance in coding Scheme (hey, it's the first thing I've ever done in the language - gimme a break!!), to solve a problem between vanBasco's Karaoke Player for Windows, and the printed score. Am I going about things entirely wrong, and is there a really really easy solution to the problem? Snippet is here: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1id=644 ChrisA ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Jiri Zurek (Prague) zu...@ics.cas.cz writes: Dear David, thank you for your valuable opinion but, in my case, the text needs to be justified and the music inside markuplines should wrap along the lines of the surrounding text. I am using it for a musicological apparatus accompanying the piece and if the systems of the piece and other texts of the book are well justified, it makes no sense to interrupt the flow with ragged-right apparatus. Imagine, this book will have several hundred pages and hundreds of small musical pieces - liturgical antiphones, each accompanied by the apparatus. It must be justified. I still hope there is a solution for my problem, I recommend magic. At some point of time reality has to intrude. If there is no way to find an arrangement meeting all requirements by hand, the computer can do no better. Now, that thanks to Neil we have the score block inside markuplines breakable, the function should be simply disabled. The music would start at the same line with the text and when the end of line is reached, it would simply break to another one. Any help appreciated. I happen to be the author of a LaTeX style file that typesets footnotes, and tries merging several footnotes into one line automagically where appropriate (TM). Getting to the point where thousands of pages would be cranked out with footnotes of wildly varying size (single words to dozens of pages) _one_ algorithm without pages that would look better when done manually was quite some hard work. It involved a lot of fine-tuning and a solid bunch of fuzzy logic. Applying some of this to the context of scores, you would not want to have a _multi-line_ excerpt broken across lines. And not have one five-line excerpt end at the start of a line, have a few words of text, and the next excerpt start in the same line. And don't break a score excerpt if you don't save some space. And so forth and so on. Justifying text deals with other stretchabilities as justifying music. They don't match very well. There is no simple solution for your problem that would yield satisfactory output. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
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Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
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RE: bracket and staff names
Erik Appeldoorn wrote:
Thanks again all. I found the problem
\new Staff = Sopraan {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
}
Should be
\new Staff = Sopraan
\set Staff.instrumentName = #Sopraan
\sop
And all looks well now.
this highly depends on what you have written in \sop!
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Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
David Kastrup wrote:
I recommend magic. At some point of time reality has to intrude. If
there is no way to find an arrangement meeting all requirements by hand,
the computer can do no better.
I do not think I am trying to do something magical. Although I have to admit
with great respect to the creators of Lilypond that the software is capable
of doing magic things. My deepest reverence towards the authors of Lilypond.
Nevertheless, I have still good hope that there might be an able scheme
coder who could find the function making the score to jump to the start of a
new line when it is a longer excerpt and disable it for me. I am so sorry
that I did not study computer science so that I would understand scheme
coding, but to my greatest misfortune it is above my capabiblities. I am
alone to be blamed for this, but this is the reason that I am looking for
someone to help.
David Kastrup wrote:
I happen to be the author of a LaTeX style file that typesets footnotes,
This is EXCELLENT. Do you know that
http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-lilyp...@gnu.org/msg13795.html I offered
sponsorship for someone who would built footnotes into the Lilypond? THere
was even a rich man who promissed to make a double match for footnotes to be
programmed. I would be most delighted if you took up the challenge! Of
course, complete markup and score (breakable at any point) and freely
mixable with the text should be native to lilypond footnotes.
David Kastrup wrote:
Applying some of this to the context of scores, you would not want to
have a _multi-line_ excerpt broken across lines. And not have one
five-line excerpt end at the start of a line, have a few words of text,
and the next excerpt start in the same line. And don't break a score
excerpt if you don't save some space. And so forth and so on.
Why do you think I would not like that? I am aiming exactly at that. For me
it would be beneficial, if music would finish at the start of a line, then
few words of a text, and then new excerpt starting - better than when the
new exceprt starts a new line, disturbing the justified half-empty line
above. This is exacly my goal: making from the music and the text something
like one uninterrupted flow which would go from one line to another. If this
function is built into Lilypond for a single line, if we have multi-line
markuplines, if we now have multi-line score inside it, then it should be
minimum effort to make it function for more than one line. We are almost
there, it is enough - in my humble opinion - to disable the function which
instructs the longer score to start a new line. If you wish, I am offering
sponsorhip for this function. Again, help is appreciated and just ask for
reward if it is not a trivial task. Although I am not really rich man, I
would try hard to meet your requirements.
David Kastrup wrote:
Justifying text deals with other stretchabilities as justifying music.
They don't match very well.
This is not quite true. For a single line, the stretchability works
extremely well (see the appended example). Why should it not work for more
than one line?
With the best wishes and best hopes,
Jiri Zurek
%begin lilypond example
\version 2.12.2
\markuplines {
\justified-lines {
1st manuscript variant:
\vcenter
\score {
\new Voice = cantus { \clef G_8 f g c'( d') e' }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto cantus { A -- ve, ve -- rum }
\layout { indent = 0.0\cm
\context {
\Staff
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(0 . 0)
fontSize = #-7
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -7)
\override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep -7)
}
\context {
\Lyrics
\override LyricText #'font-size = #-4
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-0 . 0)
}
}
}
and so on; consider 2nd manuscript variant:
\vcenter
\score {
\new Voice = cant { \clef G_8 f4 a4 c' (d') }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto cant { A -- ve, -- ve. }
\layout { indent = 0.0\cm
\context {
\Staff
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(0 . 0)
fontSize = #-7
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -7)
\override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep -7)
}
\context {
\Lyrics
\override LyricText #'font-size = #-4
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-0 . 0)
}
}
}
and so on... no problem with short excerpts. They are perfectly inline,
music and the text.
}
}
%end lilypond example
http://old.nabble.com/file/p26129806/Komentar_s_notama_vice.pdf
Komentar_s_notama_vice.pdf
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Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Jiri Zurek (Prague) zu...@ics.cas.cz writes: David Kastrup wrote: I happen to be the author of a LaTeX style file that typesets footnotes, This is EXCELLENT. Do you know that http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-lilyp...@gnu.org/msg13795.html I offered sponsorship for someone who would built footnotes into the Lilypond? THere was even a rich man who promissed to make a double match for footnotes to be programmed. I would be most delighted if you took up the challenge! Of course, complete markup and score (breakable at any point) and freely mixable with the text should be native to lilypond footnotes. Different problem space. LaTeX can already do footnotes. It just has a number of deficiencies that become particularly glaring once you juggle with multiple layers and when footnotes start breaking across pages. In that case, TeX basically disables all its mechanisms for choosing aesthetically pleasing page breaks. The Lilypond challenge is not doing footnotes well. It is doing them at all. Applying some of this to the context of scores, you would not want to have a _multi-line_ excerpt broken across lines. And not have one five-line excerpt end at the start of a line, have a few words of text, and the next excerpt start in the same line. And don't break a score excerpt if you don't save some space. And so forth and so on. Why do you think I would not like that? Because I have run through literally years of ok, formally this meets the specs, but it looks ugly. If somebody did that manually, he'd do this differently. Make this look better somehow or we won't be able to get this printed. You are in the phase of handing out the specs. Been there, done that, sweated through a lot of T-shirts. I am aiming exactly at that. I have no doubts. At the current point of time, I think that you'll be better served by others. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
tempter
Can I tempt anyone? After learning on one voice only pieces, I have now finished my first multi-voice / multi-file piece. The resulting pdf looks fine but I'm open to feedback. Would anyone be tempted to give it the once over and give that feedback? Some info on the project: For my choir I'm restoring a piece once performed in 1892. The score has only survived in bits and pieces which I'm attempting to put together again. With lylipond I have started with part 4. choir SATB and organ. Choir 44 bars text and notes. Organ notes completely missing at this point. Project has 8 files. SATB, organ RH and LH, a style file to replace the time signature and the main file that binds it all together. Hou je goed / Keep well, Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tempter
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Erik Appeldoorn ursus.k...@ziggo.nl wrote: The resulting pdf looks fine but I’m open to feedback. Would anyone be tempted to give it the once over and give that feedback? I'm not sure what you mean by that; I can have a look at your code if you send me the .ly files. (I'm not an expert but I've been using LilyPond quite a lot.) Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: centering rests
But in 4/4 with partial? I don't have access to lily now but i think i saw that
failing.
Original message
From: Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se
Sent: 30 Oct 2009 10:00 +01:00
To: Bertalan Fodor lilypondt...@organum.hu
Cc: Erik Appeldoorn ursus.k...@ziggo.nl, lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: centering rests
Bertalan Fodor wrote:
I think that's a bug as R2 is not centered.
??? An R2 is certainly centered within the measure if you have 2/4 time:
\new Staff \relative c'{ \time 2/4 c8 d e f }
\new Staff {R2 }
However, as was pointed out by Kieren, a half note rest in the beginning
of a 4/4 measure should be left aligned with the first note of the
measure, not centered in the first half of the measure, according to
common typesetting practice.
/Mats
Original message
From: Erik Appeldoorn ursus.k...@ziggo.nl
Sent: 29 Oct 2009 18:39 +01:00
To: 'Kieren MacMillan' kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: RE: centering rests
You are quite right, and I have never even bothered to check. Although I
have a quite substantial library and am over 25 years active with music.
Erik
-Original Message-
From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca]
Sent: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:29
To: Erik Appeldoorn
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: centering rests
Hi Erik,
when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks
awfull. So how do I align these rests centered?
If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way
through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at
the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't.
In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the
*only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space - all
other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the
flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s).
Hope this helps!
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Lilypond Editing Environments and output file names
This is a heads up for those like Bert and Wilbert who write editing support environments for Lilypond. I currently have a patch in for review which will allow Lily to redirect the backend output to another file for particular \book blocks. Currently you do this by setting environment variables like output-suffix. I've noticed that LilypondTool and Frescobaldi can get fooled using their internal pdf viewers about where the successfully compiled output is. I wonder if you editor guys can take an enhancement to make your PDF viewers sensitive to the code writing the final format to a different file name? Tracker no is 836, Patch code is at http://codereview.appspot.com/143055/show if you want to see what's there. Hope this helps you to keep your Lilypond layered projects ready for 2.14. (If my patch gets through, that is). Cheers, Ian ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote: ...elision by Patrick ... I am so sorry that I did not study computer science so that I would understand scheme coding, but to my greatest misfortune it is above my capabiblities. I am alone to be blamed for this, but this is the reason that I am looking for someone to help. Don't feel bad. I have a Masters in Computer Science and I don't understand Scheme at all in spite of having an AI class that used Scheme about a million years ago. Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Patrick Horgan phorg...@yahoo.com wrote: Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote: I am so sorry that I did not study computer science so that I would understand scheme coding, but to my greatest misfortune it is above my capabiblities. Don't feel bad. I have a Masters in Computer Science and I don't understand Scheme at all in spite of having an AI class that used Scheme about a million years ago. sarcasm Yes, don't feel bad. Despite speaking, reading, and writing a language (English) for over 20 years, I can't understand a single sentence of Turkish. /sarcasm Scheme is not hard to learn if you want to learn it. If you make no attempt to learn it, then you obviously won't understand it! We have contributers writing scheme who haven't taken a single CS class, let alone getting a degree in the subject. I have no problem with Jiri's initial request for help, but don't claim that scheme is hard to learn. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Inline score inside markup - bugs in music alignment
Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Patrick Horgan phorg...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't feel bad. I have a Masters in Computer Science and I don't understand Scheme at all in spite of having an AI class that used Scheme about a million years ago. sarcasm Yes, don't feel bad. Despite speaking, reading, and writing a language (English) for over 20 years, I can't understand a single sentence of Turkish. /sarcasm Scheme is not hard to learn if you want to learn it. If you make no attempt to learn it, then you obviously won't understand it! We have contributers writing scheme who haven't taken a single CS class, let alone getting a degree in the subject. I have no problem with Jiri's initial request for help, but don't claim that scheme is hard to learn. Now Graham, you know I never once claimed it was hard to learn. Best regards, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, alternate input: Frescobaldi information
Thanks, added. I'd rather keep the links, for added readability in (espeically printed) pdf docs. Cheers, - Graham On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 03:50:09PM +0100, Wilbert Berendsen wrote: Hi, at http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/Alternate-input.html the Frescobaldi description is missing a link to its homepage: www.frescobaldi.org (and the image is not linked to its larger version[1]). Maybe it's best to just make the first word (Frescobaldi) of the description clickable or add a sentence like Frescobaldi's homepage can be found at www.frescobaldi.org. [1] available at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbsoft/files/frescobaldi-lilypond- editor.png best, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ Nederlands LilyPond forum: http://www.lilypondforum.nl/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Editing Environments and output file names
Op vrijdag 30 oktober 2009 schreef Ian: I've noticed that LilypondTool and Frescobaldi can get fooled using their internal pdf viewers about where the successfully compiled output is. I wonder if you editor guys can take an enhancement to make your PDF viewers sensitive to the code writing the final format to a different file name? It is no problem to implement, Frescobaldi will probably implement support for this as soon as it reaches stable LilyPond and is documented. Currently Frescobaldi looks for files with the same basename and globs for possible suffixes. best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ Nederlands LilyPond forum: http://www.lilypondforum.nl/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: website so close, and yet so far
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:01:24PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to add the tweaks suggested by Graham. So if someone else is able to do it, he's free to emprove the (attached) file (read the TODO section in the beginning). Ok, well, I give up. I've added this as it is. I suppose that even with the collisions and whatnot, it still looks more impressive than the current example. It would be nice if somebody could spend 10 minutes tweaking it, but I guess we take what we can get. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
website Features page
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 05:44:16PM -0300, Leonardo Herrera wrote: Well, I offer my help as web monkey. I don't have time for big commitments, but little things (small rendering errors, missing links, etc.) I can do. Great! Let's tackle the Features page first: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/Features.html Could you check/compare the three old links with the current page. Have we missed any important info? If it looks ok to you, I'll declare this page done, remove the old links, etc. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
X/Y offset tweak...
Hello Any easier/compacter way to do d8 -\tweak #'X-offset #-6 -\tweak #'Y-offset #-2 -\mf Thanks :) ALberto Alberto Simões ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Harmonica tablature notation
bradford powell wrote Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:32 AM I would appreciate any comments. One area in particular that I have questions about is cleaning up the case statement that converts pitch to markup-- specifically in that I am weirdly interspersing lilypond syntax (with the '(markup #:flat #:flat #:circle 2)'-type statements). I would prefer to have a function like for blow and for draw that can incorporate parameters for the hole and the number of bends. I've tried: #(define draw hole bends) (markup (make-list-markup (append (list #:simple) (make-list bends #:flat) (list hole) This doesn't work, any suggestions? This is not very elegant and not very Scheme-like, but I think it works. I'm sure someone can show us how to code a tail-recursive version of this. #(define (draw hole nbends) (define bend-glyphs ) (while ( nbends 0) (set! bend-glyphs (markup #:flat bend-glyphs)) (set! nbends (1- nbends))) (markup bend-glyphs #:circle hole)) Call with ((1) (draw 4 1 )) etc in your case statement. BTW, thanks for your example showing how to use \applyMusic - it helped me with a similar problem. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
tempo mark in large score for each group
I just checked Honegger's score for Jeanne d'Arc and tempo marks are above the top staff and then below for the strings. I've looked in the manual 2.12 and snippets and I don't see a way to do this. I tried setting it for the top instrument in each group and that did not work. Thanks Yours- Jay Jay Hamilton www.soundand.com 206-328-7694 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tempo mark in large score for each group
Hi Jay, I just checked Honegger's score for Jeanne d'Arc and tempo marks are above the top staff and then below for the strings. I've looked in the manual 2.12 and snippets and I don't see a way to do this. I tried setting it for the top instrument in each group and that did not work. What about creating a custom RehearsalMarks context, and then adding it to your score at the bottom? It would only have to \consist of a couple of engravers... Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
