date:20140906

Hi Orm,

2014-09-05 13:52 GMT+02:00 Orm Finnendahl 
orm.finnend...@selma.hfmdk-frankfurt.de:


 1. Is there a way to move the override for the font-size in the into
 the definition of parenfermata


Try :

\version 2.19

parenFermata = -\tweak ParenthesesItem.font-size #0
#(let ((m (make-music 'ArticulationEvent 'articulation-type fermata)))
  (ly:music-set-property! m 'parenthesize #t)
  (ly:music-set-property! m 'tweaks
   (acons 'font-size -1 (ly:music-property m 'tweaks)))
  m)

\relative c' {
  c \parenFermata
}


 2. Can this be achieved that it applies to multimeasure rest fermatas
 as well?


\version 2.19

parenFermataMarkup =
-\tweak stencil #(lambda (grob)
   (grob-interpret-markup grob #{
 \markup\concat {
   \fontsize #0 \musicglyph #accidentals.leftparen
   \hspace #.2 \lower #.6
   \fontsize #-1 \musicglyph #scripts.ufermata
   \hspace #.2
   \fontsize #0 \musicglyph #accidentals.rightparen  }
 #}))
-\tweak staff-padding #'()
\fermataMarkup

\relative c' {
  R1
  \parenFermataMarkup
}

HTH,
Pierre
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Re: Score feedback request

2014-09-06 Thread Joram


Hi Aura,

my reply is not complete and mentions only a few things I noticed:

In general it looks good and looks like the output represents what you 
wanted (which is incredible to me if you can't see it).


The most visible issue is that the piano pedal marks are not only under 
the piano staff as usual (below the staff group) but also under the 
right hand of the piano staff (between the two piano staffs). This makes 
it unnecessarily crowded.


The same holds for dynamics which appear three times: once for the voice 
and two times for piano. While this makes sense from a logical point of 
view, it at least one time too much compared to all scores I know. I 
would put it either only between the piano staffs (and on the voice only 
if it differs) or once for the voice and once between the piano staffs.


The sections (A, B) are always marked twice: once correctly at the 
double bar line and once half a note before. The third double bar line 
has no such name - perhaps that is so by intention or it could be named C.


Cheers,
Joram

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Re: Score feedback request

2014-09-06 Thread Simon Albrecht


Hello Aura,

there’s one main thing I notice: the left hand has only one voice 
throughout, so you should better use \oneVoice instead of \voiceOne 
there. The same is for the last two bars of the right hand part.
For the piano staff, a separate Dynamics context between the two staves 
might be in place, only you’d need to separate Dynamics from pedalling 
indications, which should be below the left hand part.

Best regards,

Simon

Am 06.09.2014 um 10:09 schrieb Aura:

Hello

This question may be semi-off-topic. If you feel it is, let me know.

I'm a blind music student learning to typeset my compositions with Lilypond.

I would like to ask feedback from the community about one of my works (it is a
Lied). I ask from Lilypond list for three reasons:
* I can't (obviously) review the visual appearance of my score by myself.
* If/when there are visual glitches in my score, people here can probably tell
me how to fix them.
* There are lots of professional musicians on this list whose opinions I value.

My score and the rendered PDF file can be found at
http://sange.fi/~aura/Lied/.

The score is written with Finnish note names (they are the same as in Germany,
so what in English-speaking countries is b, is h in my score). The source code
also has comments written in Finnish, but they contain no valuable
information.

I'm especially worried about the way I have marked dynamics, because I don't
know about the tradition regarding their positioning (should they be placed
between the two piano staves or should they be marked separately for both 
hands).

My pianism is horrible, if you look at the score and spot something that is
impossible or very difficult to play, you can tell my about it too.

Thank you for your time.




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Re: Force auto-beaming?

Hi Peter,
how about a tiny example ?
Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: Score feedback request

??? I don't know why my message has already been sent while the editor 
window is still open ... So I'll continue here


Hi Aura,

I don't think this question is really off-topic, it's just more rare 
that people ask about _what_ they do with LilyPond instead of _how_.


Am 06.09.2014 10:37, schrieb Joram:

Hi Aura,

my reply is not complete and mentions only a few things I noticed:

In general it looks good and looks like the output represents what you 
wanted (which is incredible to me if you can't see it).


The most visible issue is that the piano pedal marks are not only 
under the piano staff as usual (below the staff group) but also under 
the right hand of the piano staff (between the two piano staffs). This 
makes it unnecessarily crowded.


The same holds for dynamics which appear three times: once for the 
voice and two times for piano. While this makes sense from a logical 
point of view, it at least one time too much compared to all scores I 
know. I would put it either only between the piano staffs (and on the 
voice only if it differs) or once for the voice and once between the 
piano staffs.


The sections (A, B) are always marked twice: once correctly at the 
double bar line and once half a note before. The third double bar line 
has no such name - perhaps that is so by intention or it could be 
named C.


Cheers,
Joram


I agree with what Joram writes and can make some additional remarks - 
some about Joram's comments and some of my own.


In traditional Lied notation dynamics are placed between the piano staves.
I have a hard time finding it in the manual, but what you'd so is create 
the dynamics in a separate music variable (for example dynamics) and 
then write \new Dynamics \dynamics between the two piano staves in the 
\score block.
Some composers do write dynamics to the vocal staff too, but in most 
cases that is only done when they differ. That is a singer expects to 
read the dynamics from the piano.


I think there should be a reminder accidental before the b flats in 
measure 6 and the corresponding measure, at least in the bass line.


You should remove the \voiceOne from the left hand staff definition. 
This command makes the voice behave correctly when there is a second 
voice - which you don't have. In particular this makes all stems point 
upwards and shift the rest upwards. You could write \oneVoice instead, 
but in a case like yours (only one voice present at all) you can simply 
leave that out.


These are the notation-related comments, but I have one more related to 
the piano writing:
The right hand in measures 11-12 and the correspondence at the end is 
somewhat unidiomatic. Well, it _is_ playable without problems, and there 
_is_ piano music where this would be natural, but it's suddenly much 
more complex and difficult than the rest of the piece. It _may_ be 
intended and it _can_ be that it is just the right thing in your 
composition, but I somehow have the impression it is more by accident here.


HTH
Urs

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Re: Upbeat as full measure or not?

I find the version with the upbeat _slightly_ misleading.

But more importantly I'd consider the relation with the last measure in
this kind of music. Usually the last measure plus the upbeat make one
whole measure together.
In your case this would strongly indicate using a full measure with a
leading rest.

In addition, if you compare the beginning with m. 6 (of the full-measure
example) I'd say this isn't actually an upbeat but rather a rhythmic
gesture - which also points in the same direction.

HTH
Urs

Am 02.09.2014 12:21, schrieb Alexander Kobel:

Dear all,

I wonder whether a large partial measure should be notated as a full
measure (rest+upbeat) or a partial measure. More specifically, it's
the beginning of the following piece:

- version 1, as partial

http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/images/6/6c/Becker-albert_bleibe-abend-will-es-werden.pdf

- version 2, as full measure

http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/images/archive/6/6c/20140721085342%21Becker-albert_bleibe-abend-will-es-werden.pdf

It's a time 4/4 { r4 c c c }-style beginning; for time 2/2 { r4 c c c
}, or time 4/4 { r8 c c c c4 c }, I'd prefer a full measure, but here
my intuition is gone. What looks more sound to your eye? Or could
anybody consult a copy of Gould or similar?

Thanks,
Alexander

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Re: Include a file if it exists



Am 06.09.2014 11:43, schrieb Urs Liska:


Am 06.09.2014 00:40, schrieb Urs Liska:


Am 06.09.2014 00:36, schrieb Urs Liska:

Hi all,

I'm looking for a solution to conditionally include a file if it exists


Oops.

Well, the question is real, but of course I intended to add more to 
it ...


The idea is to include a file with a number of music variables and 
then include files that contain one music variable each, overriding 
one variable from the first included file.
So if no file is included the (empty) variable from the first file is 
used, otherwise the individual variable from the single file.


Urs


A first approach may point in a direction, although it doesn't work at 
all.


please consider the attached files: collect.ly tries to include 01 through

#(ly:parser-parse-string (ly:parser-clone parser) \\include \01.ily\))
(an approach that worked successfully in another situation).


But obviously it doesn't understand the content of 01.ily, as I get

01.ily:4:3 0: error: unrecognized string, not in text script or \lyricmode

c d e f g


errors (and subsequently one more for each of the notes).

So how can I include a file containing music variables through Scheme 
(in order to generate the filenames to be included programatically)?



TIA
Urs


\version 2.19.13

music = {
  c d e f g
}
\version 2.19.13

#(ly:parser-parse-string (ly:parser-clone parser) \\include \01.ily\))

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Re: fermatas in parentheses

2014-09-06 Thread Orm Finnendahl

Hi Pierre,

 thanks, works like a charm. This'll save me a lot of typing (and
time), I really appreciate your help!

I consider this input invaluable for understanding some of the inner
workings of lilypond for practical purposes even if it's only on a
surface level!

--
Orm

Am Samstag, den 06. September 2014 um 10:37:23 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Pierre 
Perol-Schneider:
 Hi Orm,
 
 2014-09-05 13:52 GMT+02:00 Orm Finnendahl 
 orm.finnend...@selma.hfmdk-frankfurt.de:
 
 
  1. Is there a way to move the override for the font-size in the into
  the definition of parenfermata
 
 
 Try :
 
 \version 2.19
 
 parenFermata = -\tweak ParenthesesItem.font-size #0
 #(let ((m (make-music 'ArticulationEvent 'articulation-type fermata)))
   (ly:music-set-property! m 'parenthesize #t)
   (ly:music-set-property! m 'tweaks
(acons 'font-size -1 (ly:music-property m 'tweaks)))
   m)
 
 \relative c' {
   c \parenFermata
 }
 
 
  2. Can this be achieved that it applies to multimeasure rest fermatas
  as well?
 
 
 \version 2.19
 
 parenFermataMarkup =
 -\tweak stencil #(lambda (grob)
(grob-interpret-markup grob #{
  \markup\concat {
\fontsize #0 \musicglyph #accidentals.leftparen
\hspace #.2 \lower #.6
\fontsize #-1 \musicglyph #scripts.ufermata
\hspace #.2
\fontsize #0 \musicglyph #accidentals.rightparen  }
  #}))
 -\tweak staff-padding #'()
 \fermataMarkup
 
 \relative c' {
   R1
   \parenFermataMarkup
 }
 
 HTH,
 Pierre

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Re: Removing all dynamic markings from a score

Hi,

2014-09-04 18:31 GMT+02:00 David Bellows davebell...@gmail.com:

 \layout { \context { \Score \override DynamicText.stencil = ##f } }

 Perfect! And thank you! (Now to figure out how to squeeze that sucker in
 there...)


\layout { \context { \Score \omit DynamicText } }


in a shorter way
Cheers,
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Re: Breaking notes up across bar lines when using lyrics

Hi David,

2014-09-04 22:47 GMT+02:00 David Bellows davebell...@gmail.com:

In the following code, if you comment out the \addlyrics bit then it works
 as it should, but if you leave it in then it doesn't. Does anyone know of a
 solution or have any suggestions?


I have seen issues about this with older version. Cannot find any
workaround though...
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Re: Force auto-beaming?

2014-09-06 Thread PMA


Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:

Hi Peter,
how about a tiny example ?
Cheers,
Pierre


Hi Pierre,

Ok, I'll whittle down a big one (to remove home-grown
non-culprit conditions you'd otherwise have to wonder
about) and send the still-botching Tiny.

All I want, really, is a command that says to the auto-
beaming gremlin, Force this, even under \cadenzaOn
with some barlines crammed in -- ALWAYS -- period!

So that a beam will break _only_ for a non-beamable
note or for a rest.

Thanks,
Pete


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How to color a text spanner


\override TextSpanner.color
won't color the TextSpanner.

What would I have to do to achieve that?

TIA
Urs
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Re: Reduce vertical space between \score's?

2014-09-06 Thread PMA

PMA wrote:

Abraham Lee wrote:

On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Kieren MacMillan
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:

Hi Pete,

Trouble is, the vertical space between \score's is too big.
This was not so in the original version (2.12.3), but is
now after my upgrade to version 2.18.2.

Is it possible to reduce LP-1.18.2's default value for the
vertical space between \score blocks?

Have you thoroughly read
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables#list-of-flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables

If so, what are your questions, specifically?

Hope this helps!
Kieren.
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If the vertical spacing is really your question, then you'll find this
helpful (with the description in the link that Kieren provided.

Regards,
Abraham

Thanks Abraham Kieren!

My issue was, How can I reduce the vertical space between the last
(actually the only) system of a \score and the top (only) system of
the next. After scrounging in paper-defaults-init.ly as suggested, I
found what I needed to tease: params for score-markup-spacing.
Now my between-score spaces have the needed reduction!

For the record, extra fuss was forced by documentation var names
NOT matching those in paper-defaults-init.ly.

That latter lists: But the doc page lists:
between-system-spacing markup-system-spacing
between-scores-system-spacing* score-markup-spacing*
after-title-spacing score-system-spacing
before-title-spacing system-system-spacing
between-title-spacing markup-markup-spacing
top-system-spacing last-bottom-spacing
top-title-spacing top-system-spacing
bottom-system-spacing top-markup-spacing

* The Left var's param-set here turned out to work with the Right
varname. But I suspect this same-line matchup was due to luck.
Maybe those Right names -- improvements, I reckon -- could get
due mention in the init file.

Thanks again for steering me!
Pete

Uh-oh. No, the result is _no_ different. My eyes
must be tired. I'll experiment more tomorrow.

Hi Abraham Kieren!

Editing an example to send you, and sniffing
more in the LP docs, I happened to trip over
#(set-global-staff-size 20) .

When I told my score to reduce that default
by 1, the vertical-space problem evaporated.

So my original question -- How reduce space
between same-page \score's? -- is moot, at
least for this time around.

Thanks, tho, for your responses.
Pete

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Re: How to color a text spanner

Urs,



On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:

  \override TextSpanner.color
 won't color the TextSpanner.

 What would I have to do to achieve that?


This works fine for me:

 \version 2.19.10

{
  \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = #foo
  \override TextSpanner.color = #red
  c'1\startTextSpan
  c'1\stopTextSpan
}


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Re: How to color a text spanner



Am 06.09.2014 16:08, schrieb David Nalesnik:

Urs,


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org 
mailto:u...@openlilylib.org wrote:


\override TextSpanner.color
won't color the TextSpanner.

What would I have to do to achieve that?


This works fine for me:

 \version 2.19.10

{
  \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = #foo
  \override TextSpanner.color = #red
  c'1\startTextSpan
  c'1\stopTextSpan
}

--David




Oops, I was completely wrong.
My question should have been: Which grob draws a \crestTextCresc?

And of course I could find out that it's the DynamicTextSpanner that I 
wanted to override ...


Best
Urs
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Re: How to color a text spanner

2014-09-06 Thread Joram


My question should have been: Which grob draws a \crestTextCresc?

And of course I could find out that it's the DynamicTextSpanner that I
wanted to override ...


For these cases for which I made this:
http://www.joramberger.de/files/lilypond_visualindex.pdf

And I can add a question: What is the difference between 
DynamicLineSpanner and Hairpin?


Joram

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Re: How to color a text spanner

On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Joram noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote:


 And I can add a question: What is the difference between
 DynamicLineSpanner and Hairpin?


See
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/dynamic_005falign_005fengraver

A DynamicLineSpanner is a grob which groups hairpins and dynamic texts so
they can be lined up.

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Re: How to color a text spanner

2014-09-06 Thread Simon Albrecht


Am 06.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb David Nalesnik:



On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Joram noeck.marb...@gmx.de 
mailto:noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote:



And I can add a question: What is the difference between
DynamicLineSpanner and Hairpin?


See 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/dynamic_005falign_005fengraver


A DynamicLineSpanner is a grob which groups hairpins and dynamic texts 
so they can be lined up.
Perhaps it would be helpful to add a clear indication (in the IR, or 
possibly in the NR?) stating that it doesn’t produce any visible output 
on its own, or to group grobs by those who print something and those who 
only collect and manage other grobs. I can imagine that this makes 
understanding easier. And yes, I know that the Internals Reference may 
not be modified as easily.


Yours,
Simon
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Re: Lyric word engraver bug

Simon,

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.de
wrote:

It proved difficult to provide a minimal example worth the name, so you get
 the one attached, which has a full page of music and two include files.
 Sorry for that. The instances of the bug mentioned are at the beginning of
 the third, fourth, and last lines of the page.


I don't yet know what is causing the problem, but here's a more
stripped-down version:

\version 2.19.8

\include lyric-word.ily

\paper {
  indent = 0
  line-width = 4\cm
}
\layout {
  \context {
\Global
\grobdescriptions #all-grob-descriptions
  }
  \context {
\Lyrics
\consists \collectlyricwordEngraver
\wordcompress 0.3
  }
}
\new Staff {
  \repeat unfold 8 {
c'1
  }
}
\addlyrics {
  \repeat unfold 2 {
vol -- un -- ta -- tis
  }
}

--David
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Re: Lyric word engraver bug

Hi,


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:04 PM, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com
wrote:


 I don't yet know what is causing the problem...


OK, I think I may have solved it.  Fingers crossed.

The problem occurs when the callback which creates a stencil for the hyphen
creates nothing.  Now why that would be the case I couldn't say.  After
all, a hyphen does appear!  (I wonder if that is a bug.)

Anyway, your example and mine compiles nicely with a simple change from the
 operator to =  in a function from your file lyric-word.ily (as I've done
below)

#(define (compress-pair syl-a hyphen syl-b threshold)
   (let* ((hyphen-sten (ly:lyric-hyphen::print hyphen))
  (hyphen-ex
   (if (ly:stencil? hyphen-sten)
   (ly:stencil-extent hyphen-sten X)
   (cons (/ threshold -2) (/ threshold 2)
 (if (= (interval-length hyphen-ex) threshold) ;; now
greater-than-or-equal-to
 '() ; no compression--DO NOTHING!


Let me know if you run into any problems with this change.
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Re: Removing all dynamic markings from a score

2014-09-06 Thread David Bellows

\layout { \context { \Score \omit DynamicText } }

in a shorter way


And nicer looking (as in easier to understand to the average person) --
thanks!


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Pierre Perol-Schneider 
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 2014-09-04 18:31 GMT+02:00 David Bellows davebell...@gmail.com:

 \layout { \context { \Score \override DynamicText.stencil = ##f } }

 Perfect! And thank you! (Now to figure out how to squeeze that sucker in
 there...)


 \layout { \context { \Score \omit DynamicText } }


 in a shorter way
 Cheers,
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Re: Breaking notes up across bar lines when using lyrics

2014-09-06 Thread David Bellows

I have seen issues about this with older version. Cannot find any
workaround though...

Dang,if a solution doesn't present itself then I'll have to make some tough
decisions aesthetics vs functionality.

But thanks!


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Pierre Perol-Schneider 
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi David,

 2014-09-04 22:47 GMT+02:00 David Bellows davebell...@gmail.com:

 In the following code, if you comment out the \addlyrics bit then it works
 as it should, but if you leave it in then it doesn't. Does anyone know of a
 solution or have any suggestions?


 I have seen issues about this with older version. Cannot find any
 workaround though...

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Re: Henle Music font

2014-09-06 Thread Abraham Lee

On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Nicolai Pfeffer 
nicolai.pfef...@gmx.de wrote:

Hi Abraham!

I’m a clarinetist and music editor from Cologne, Germany and I’ve 
worked as an engraver for some of the major German publishing houses. 
I highly appreciate your effort of creating a Henle-like music font 
for public use. Since I presume that their current fonts are all 
copyrighted it might be best to imitate the old font from the 
Würzburg Stürtz engraving company. These engravers did most of the 
engraving for Henle until the late 1990s. Here you can find an 
example:


https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/view/10730737/pdf-dokument-in-der-staatlichen-bibliothek-passau/7

A closer look at a modern Henle edition (with the copyrighted fonts) 
can be made on:

http://www.henle.de/download//1198_Va1_Va2.pdf
or
http://www.henle.de/download/hoffm.pdf


Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you.

All best wishes and many thanks!
Nicolai


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Nicolai,

Thank you for the information! Yeah, I think we don't want to imitate 
the current Henle font for the reasons you describe. Sounds like you 
have quite a lot of experience with Henle. I look forward to your 
feedback in the future!


Regards,
Abraham

P.S. Can anyone who has an interest in this comment on the scores that 
Nicolai mentioned? The more I look into Henle, the more font designs I 
discover.
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Re: Lyric word engraver bug

Here's an unrelated suggestion.

When you use \wordcompress with a value which triggers the warning, the
music function doesn't return music, so you end up with a fatal error
(rather defeating the gentle purpose of a simple warning!)

Why not something like:

wordcompress =
#(define-music-function (parser location num) (number?)
   (cond
(( num 0.5)
 (and (ly:warning Attention: 0.4 is a rather large value for
\\wordcompress already!)
  (make-music 'Music)))
(( num 0)
 (ly:error \\wordcompress should get a non-negative value.))
(else #{
  \override LyricWord.after-line-breaking = #(lyric-word-compressor num)
  \override LyricHyphen.minimum-distance = #0
  \override LyricSpace.minimum-distance = #1
  #})))
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Re: How to color a text spanner

2014-09-06 Thread James

On 06/09/14 21:17, Simon Albrecht wrote:
 Am 06.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb David Nalesnik:


 On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Joram noeck.marb...@gmx.de
 mailto:noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote:


 And I can add a question: What is the difference between
 DynamicLineSpanner and Hairpin?


 See 
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/dynamic_005falign_005fengraver

 A DynamicLineSpanner is a grob which groups hairpins and dynamic texts
 so they can be lined up.
 Perhaps it would be helpful to add a clear indication (in the IR, or
 possibly in the NR?) stating that it doesn’t produce any visible output
 on its own, or to group grobs by those who print something and those who
 only collect and manage other grobs. I can imagine that this makes
 understanding easier. And yes, I know that the Internals Reference may
 not be modified as easily.

Find a place in the NR where you think we need to add something and come
up with some words, send it to the bug list and we can do the rest.

James


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Re: Lyric word engraver bug