RE: Horizontal note spacing

2016-11-23 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Abraham,

 

What a great help. I have been wanting this for a very long time. Overriding

 

Score.NoteSpacing.knee-spacing-correction

 

allows the kneed beamed grace notes to be evenly spaced, with trial and error 
for the right number.

 

Very much appreciated.

 

This is almost worth an LSR snippet, don’t you think? It is pretty hard to 
figure this out even if you pore through the reference manuals for months, if 
you don’t know what you are looking for.

 

 

Andrew

 

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Re: request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley  writes:

> 2016-11-23 11:30 GMT+01:00 Thomas Morley :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with guilev2.
>>
>> I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
>> an entire sinfony or the like.
>> I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
>> May I ask if somebody could send me one?
>> It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.
>>
>> A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
>> Please try zipped or a private mail.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Harm
>
> Many thanks for all the links and files.
>
> Currently I'm waiting for a doc-build to get finished.
> In the 5th hour now, this is getting insane ...

At least it hasn't crashed yet.

This is only partly our doc build process I think.  Of course I don't
really know just how slow your computer actually is.  I think a main
holdup may be Guilev2, likely partly due to our current code base not
being able to work with precompiled .go files, and partly because the
Guile developers are of the opinion that the performance of interpreted
code does not matter since "everything should be compiled anyway".
Which we of course cannot do for embedded Scheme that is encountered
ad-hoc in the files.

The performance problem will likely be quite resilient, and once
dependable numbers for comparison have been collected, it might make
sense to contact the Guile developer list with the findings and ask for
help finding remedies.

The tricky thing will be engaging them to do provide more meaningful
help than "you must be doing it all wrong".

We are practised in pounding the table demanding minimal examples and
reproducible recipes: of course providing such to the Guile developers
will be helpful as well, and for that a dependable Lilydev might be a
good anchoring point for such a recipe.

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Re: request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-11-23 11:30 GMT+01:00 Thomas Morley :
> Hi all,
>
> currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with guilev2.
>
> I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
> an entire sinfony or the like.
> I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
> May I ask if somebody could send me one?
> It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.
>
> A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
> Please try zipped or a private mail.
>
> Thanks,
>   Harm

Many thanks for all the links and files.

Currently I'm waiting for a doc-build to get finished.
In the 5th hour now, this is getting insane ...

I'll report back after testings, likely not before tomorrow evening, though.

Thanks,
  Harm

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Re: Adding Openlilylib snippets

2016-11-23 Thread Urs Liska
Hi Eric,

thank you for coming to us with this proposal.

Am 23.11.2016 um 19:29 schrieb ET de Boone:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Let me first say I love lilypond!
> 
> I got into it thanks to LaTeX and musicTeX, wanting to write drumscores for 
> pipebands. Luckily, quite some work was done already by Sven and a french 
> guy. All I've been doing was a little bit of tweaking. My repo can be found 
> at https://github.com/kastdeur/lilydrum
> 
> If somebody could give me some pointers for modifying/correcting the code to 
> add it to openlilylib I would gladly submit it. 
> 

I suggest you do the following:

1)
"fork" the openlilylib/snippets repository (in the Github web interface)
and make sure your local repository points to your clone

2)
Create a new branch for your code

3)
Find a suitable directory for your code

4)
Copy your code in there, look in other snippets about the header fields etc.

5)
Create one definitions.ily and one example.ly file. Including multiple
subfiles is OK.

6)
Create a Pull request.

I think this is the fastest way to actually reach a point where we can
discuss any details about updating your code.

Best wishes
Urs

> Cheers,
> Eric Teunis   de Boone
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Adding Openlilylib snippets

2016-11-23 Thread ET de Boone
Hi everybody,

Let me first say I love lilypond!

I got into it thanks to LaTeX and musicTeX, wanting to write drumscores for 
pipebands. Luckily, quite some work was done already by Sven and a french guy. 
All I've been doing was a little bit of tweaking. My repo can be found at 
https://github.com/kastdeur/lilydrum

If somebody could give me some pointers for modifying/correcting the code to 
add it to openlilylib I would gladly submit it. 

Cheers,
Eric Teunis   de Boone

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Re: Horizontal note spacing

2016-11-23 Thread tisimst
Hey, Andrew!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Andrew Bernard [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n197023...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> I have tried setting new spacing sections every which way with no success.
> I think it is the dodecaphonic accidental style combined with the cross
> staff kneed beaming that causes the difficulty. Unless I just don’t
> understand how to use them. Plus I think this is muddied by the overall
> score proportional spacing settings, but I am really not sure how they
> interact with new spacing sections. But I have not thought of your
> suggestion. What settings of the SpacingSpanner grob would be in play here?
>

I have to apologize. I was going off of memory and (sigh) remembered wrong.
I meant to point you at the NoteSpacing grob (
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/internals/notespacing). This
grob controls the optical corrections that are applied in situations like
kneed beams, opposing stems, etc. I don't have a good answer for your
search, but you might be able to tailor those properties to your needs by
either increasing or decreasing their values (and in case you're wondering,
setting the numeric ones to zero and the boolean one to #f makes the output
even worse, so the values should probably be increased, if anything).


> And something I have wanted to ask just forever – what is this springs and
> rods business? The IR is rather terse, as is its wont.
>

I can't tell you the details (because I don't fully understand how they are
implemented, but "springs and rods" refers to how LilyPond spaces things.
Certain dimensions behave more like a spring and can expand or contract
(like the space between notes or between staves). Others are relatively
fixed in length like a inextensible rod (e.g., the space before/after
barlines, accidentals, etc.). Does that make more sense, at least what it's
means in theory? Sorry I can't be of more help than that.

Best,
Abraham




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Re: How to set the font size for the repeat symbol.

2016-11-23 Thread john ware
David, that is very nice, thank you!

I'll get Dusty Miller up there soon; it has been on my list of tunes to
learn for too long.

john

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine <
ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: john ware 
>> To: lilypond-user 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:13:50 -0700
>> Subject: How to set the font size for the repeat symbol.
>> Hi, I am using lilypond to generate scores(with chord names) and chord
>> charts all from the same source. And what a wonderful tool you have created.
>>
>> The chord chart is simply the score with only the chord names and bar
>> lines visible. And the chord names are shifted down between the bar lines.
>>
>> I am able to set the size of the BarLine's with bar-extent and the size
>> of the ChordName's with font-size.
>>
>> My issue is, when I do this the colon for the repeat symbol does not
>> resize. So, I get big bar lines and a tiny colon for the repeat.
>>
>> Here's my tiny example:
>>
>> \version "2.14.2"
>>
>> \score {
>>  \new ChordNames \with {
>>  \override BarLine #'bar-extent = #'(-1 . 20)
>>  \override ChordName #'font-size = #20
>>  \override ChordName #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -1)
>>  \consists "Bar_engraver"
>>  }
>>  {
>>\relative a' {
>>  \chordmode {
>>\partial 4  s4
>>\repeat volta 2 { a1 g c a  }
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And, if you are interested, the results of this project can be viewed at:
>>
>> http://boulderhomegrown.com/fiddletunes
>>
>> There are scores, chord charts and lilypond synthesized audio tracks at
>> different tempos for each tune.
>>
>> The issue described above can be seen at the site given.
>>
>> thank you for your time,
>>
>> john ware
>>
>>
>
> I suppose this problem arises since the repeat sign is moreso part of the
> staff than a text colon.
>
> you could scale the entire staff to the desired size and avoid fiddling
> with the font.
>
> I also removed two levels of nesting unnecessary for this demo, the  {
> \relative a' { } }
>
> Nice work on your site.  Any chance of seeing Dusty Miller up there?
>
>
> \version "2.14.2"
>
> #(set-global-staff-size 60)
>
> \score {
> \new ChordNames \with {
> \override BarLine #'bar-extent = #'(-1 . 1)
> \override ChordName #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -1)
> \consists "Bar_engraver"
> }
> \chordmode {
> \partial 4  s4
> \repeat volta 2 { a1 g c a  }
> }
> }
>
>
> HTH
>
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Re: request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread David Kastrup
Sven Axelsson  writes:

> On 23 November 2016 at 11:30, Thomas Morley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with
>> guilev2.
>>
>> I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
>> an entire sinfony or the like.
>> I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
>> May I ask if somebody could send me one?
>> It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.
>>
>> A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
>> Please try zipped or a private mail.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Harm
>>
>
> Maybe something from Nicolas Sceaux? Several complete operas with lots of
> complex Scheme-processing going on.

"Lots of complex Scheme-processing" is not helpful since it increases
the likelihood of version incompatibilities outside of convert-ly's
reach, and of Guile version problems not related to the migration.

The problem area we are dealing with are large complex scores, but
written in a boring manner and style (regarding the LilyPond source),
preferably not even involving significant amounts of Scheme.

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Re: request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread karl
Thomas:
> currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with guilev2.
> 
> I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
> an entire sinfony or the like.
> I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
> May I ask if somebody could send me one?
> It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.
> 
> A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
> Please try zipped or a private mail.

Not huge and maybe not for the latest dev version, but you are more 
than welcome to use any of (and others):

http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/musik/CamilleSaintSa%C3%ABns/oratorio_de_noel/
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/musik/GabrielFaur%C3%A9/Op48_Requiem/
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/musik/WAMozart/requiem/

Result is in http://turkos.aspodata.se/choir/osthammar/

Ehh, you might need to clone the repo to make the makefile to work
git clone git://turkos.aspodata.se/musik.git since I use a somewhat 
eigenversion of lilypond-book. Maybe its easier for me to test your
guilev2-version of lilypond instead if you point to a repo to clone.

Regards,
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Re: [Spam] request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread Rutger Hofman
You can check if my typeset of Berg's Adagio (Kammerkonzert) works. It 
is here: http://imslp.org/wiki/Kammerkonzert_(Berg,_Alban) then under 
the list of parts, there is a zip with the source, with a Makefile to 
build score and all parts (make -j  should work). (This is 
also a nice test if I really bundled everything :-) ) I think 2.19.48 or so.


If you like, I can also submit my ongoing work on the Rondo from the 
same piece. It has a solo piano, and Berg uses all the typesetting 
tricks in the book. Even so, it is *far* from finished, but it compiles 
for me.


Rutger

On 11/23/2016 11:30 AM, Thomas Morley wrote:

Hi all,

currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with guilev2.

I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
an entire sinfony or the like.
I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
May I ask if somebody could send me one?
It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.

A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
Please try zipped or a private mail.

Thanks,
  Harm

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Re: request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread Sven Axelsson
On 23 November 2016 at 11:30, Thomas Morley 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with
> guilev2.
>
> I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
> an entire sinfony or the like.
> I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
> May I ask if somebody could send me one?
> It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.
>
> A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
> Please try zipped or a private mail.
>
> Thanks,
>   Harm
>

Maybe something from Nicolas Sceaux? Several complete operas with lots of
complex Scheme-processing going on.
http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/

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Re: request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread Mike Solomon



On 23 November 2016 at 12.31.24, Thomas Morley (thomasmorle...@gmail.com) wrote:

Hi all, 

currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with guilev2. 

I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like 
an entire sinfony or the like. 
I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand. 
May I ask if somebody could send me one? 
It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty. 

A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list. 
Please try zipped or a private mail. 

Thanks, 
Harm 


https://github.com/horndude77/open-scores
not sure about the recent devel version part, but convert-ly should work on 
most of the simple ones.
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Hidden Dynamics staves taking up vertical space

2016-11-23 Thread kmg
I'm sorry, I can't figure out MWE for this, because it seems specific for
my score now. I tried replicating it by having empty dynamics/piano
material, but in the new score it doesn't seem to generate extra space...
So first, the issue: by adding two dynamics contexts (one between the piano
staffs, one below, for pedaling), the hidden staffs seem to generate extra
vertical space. First page: http://i.imgur.com/goOiYCW.png ; Second page:
http://i.imgur.com/KDX4IQF.png . When I disable both dynamics lines, it
looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/0QSUDE8.png . Note how just having
dynamics makes the gap betweeen  trumpet so huge.. one not really good
workaround I found is to use \override
VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing.padding = #-0.2 on the
middle dynamics, but it applies to the whole score, can't be set
temporarily, and dynamics are not spaced correctly later on. So, here is
the code for those two pages (again sorry, couldn't replicate it by having
piano staff+dynamics with multi rests; also uncomment %\override
VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing.padding = #-0.2 to see the
'workaround' difference).


\version "2.19.51"


%\include "mtf-cadence.ily"
\language "deutsch"
\paper {
  %system-system-spacing.basic-distance = #8
  %systems-per-page = 5
  %bottom-margin = 0
  indent = 22
  print-first-page-number = ##t
  first-page-number = ##t
  print-page-number = ##t
}
\header {
  title = \markup { \vspace #6 "PREMIERE PIECE" }
  subtitle = \markup { \vspace #2 \tiny "POUR TROMPETTE ET PIANO" }
  composer = \markup { \vspace #1 "J. Deprez" }
  tagline = ##f
}
global = {
  \key b \major
  \numericTimeSignature
  \time 3/4

}

trumpetBb = \relative c'' {
  \transposition b
  % Music follows here.
  \once \override Score.MetronomeMark.font-size = #-2
  \tempo  4=108
  c4~  c8 g16 g c8 d |
  g f16 g e4 \tuplet 3/2 { d8 e c } |
  g'2 r4 |
  c,4~\p c8 g16 g c8 d |
  g f16 g e4 \tuplet 3/2 { d8 e c } |
  fis(->-\markup { \italic "cresc." } g~ g4) r8 c, |
  dis->( e~ e4) r8 h |
  c--([ dis)] e--([ fis)] g--([ e)] |
  c4\f\<~ c8 g16 g c8 g |
  c4\ff\<~ c8 g16 g c8 g |
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature.break-visibility = ##(#f #f #t)
  \time 3/4
  c2.*2/20 \fff \stopStaff
  s1*3/4*10
  s1*3/4*3
  s1*3/32
  s1*3/4*5
  s2.*18/20 |
  \startStaff
  \once \override Score.MetronomeMark.font-size = #-2
  \tempo "Tempo" 4=108
  c4\f~ c8 g16 g c8[ d] |
  g f16( g) e4 r8 c |
  f e16( f) d8[( c] h c) |
  d2 g,4 |
  c4~ c8 g16 g c8[ d] |
  g f16( g) e4 c |
  a f' a,8( c) |
  h--( c d2) |





}

up = \relative c'' {

  % Music follows here.
 \once \override Score.KeySignature.X-offset = #-4
 \global
  R1*3/4*10
  \cadenzaOn
  \small
  \autochange
  \relative {
  \stemDown
  \shape #'((0 . 3) (10 . 3) (-10 . 3) (0 . 3)) PhrasingSlur
  des,32\([ es ges as b!]
  \stemUp des[ es ges as b]
  \stemDown des[ es ges as b]
  \stemUp des[ es ges as b]
  \stemDown \ottava #1 des[ es ges as b]
  \stemUp 
  \stemDown b[ as ges es des]
  \stemUp \ottava #0 b[ as ges es des]
  \stemDown b[ as ges es des]
  \stemUp b[ as ges es des]
  \stemDown b[ as ges es des]\) |
  \bar "|" \break |
  \cadenzaOff }
  \cadenzaOn
  \autochange es'
  \relative {
  \set Score.currentBarNumber = #12
  \override Score.Accidental.transparent = ##t
  \shape #'((0 . -4) (0 . 1) (-1 . 1) (0 . 0)) Slur
  b,,([ f' b] \stemUp f'[  g])
  \shape #'((0 . -2) (2 . 0) (-2 . 0) (0 . 0)) Slur
  \stemDown f([ b d] \stemUp f[  g])
  \shape #'((0 . -4) (1 . 1) (-2 . 1) (0 . -1)) Slur
  \stemDown f([ b d] \stemUp f[  g])
  \ottava #1
  \stemDown  f([ b d] f[  g])
  \cadenzaOff }
  \slurNeutral
  \tieNeutral
  \bar "|" \break
  \ottava #0
  \stemNeutral
  \normalsize
  \set Score.currentBarNumber = #13
   b'4~ \stemUp b8 f16 f \stemUp \once \slurUp b8( c) |
  \override Score.Accidental.transparent = ##f
  \stemNeutral f e16( f) d4~ \stemUp d8 b |
  \stemDown es d16( es) c4~ \stemUp c8 b |
  \stemDown
  \shape #'((0 . -1) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0)) Slur
  a4(~ \stemUp a8 b16 h c4) |
  \stemNeutral
  b4~ \stemUp b8 f16 f \stemUp \once \slurUp b8( c) |
  \slurNeutral
  \tieUp
  \slurUp
  f2~f8. e32( f) |
  f2~ f8( e16  f) |
  f2.\fermata |
  \tempo "Marcato" 4=108
  \stemNeutral
  \tieNeutral
  \slurNeutral
  4. 16 q 8  |
   16  4. 8 |
   16  4. \once \stemUp8 |
  \tuplet 3/2 4 {
8 } |
  4. 16 q 8  |
  4. 16  q8 16 
|
  4. 16  q8 16  |
  4. 16  q8 16  | \break
  2 4 |
  2 4 |
  2 4 |
  \tuplet 3/2 4 {
8    } |
  \ottava #1 2-> \ottava #0  4 |
  2 4 |
  8 16  8  4 |
  4 q8  4 | \break








}




down = \relative c' {
  \global
  R1*3/4*10
  R1*3/4*3
  R1*3/32

\tuplet 3/2 4 {
\stemDown
\shape #'((0 . 2) (0 . 5) (-1 . 0) (-0.2 . -0.5)) Slur
b,,8( f' b d f b \stemDown \change Staff = "up" d f b) |
\shape #'((0 . 1.5) (1 . 5) (-4 . 0) (-0.4 . -0.6)) Slur
\change Staff = "down" d,,,( a' d f a d  \change Staff = "up" f a d) |
\shape #'((0 . 2) (0 . 5) 

request for help: huge score

2016-11-23 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi all,

currently there's some ongoing heavy work to make LilyPond work with guilev2.

I'd like to test the current state with a huge score, something like
an entire sinfony or the like.
I don't have a huge score of this kind at hand.
May I ask if somebody could send me one?
It should compile with a recent devel-version to ensure comparabilty.

A huge score may be too much for an attachment on the list.
Please try zipped or a private mail.

Thanks,
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Re: How to set the font size for the repeat symbol.

2016-11-23 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: john ware 
> To: lilypond-user 
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:13:50 -0700
> Subject: How to set the font size for the repeat symbol.
> Hi, I am using lilypond to generate scores(with chord names) and chord
> charts all from the same source. And what a wonderful tool you have created.
>
> The chord chart is simply the score with only the chord names and bar
> lines visible. And the chord names are shifted down between the bar lines.
>
> I am able to set the size of the BarLine's with bar-extent and the size of
> the ChordName's with font-size.
>
> My issue is, when I do this the colon for the repeat symbol does not
> resize. So, I get big bar lines and a tiny colon for the repeat.
>
> Here's my tiny example:
>
> \version "2.14.2"
>
> \score {
>  \new ChordNames \with {
>  \override BarLine #'bar-extent = #'(-1 . 20)
>  \override ChordName #'font-size = #20
>  \override ChordName #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -1)
>  \consists "Bar_engraver"
>  }
>  {
>\relative a' {
>  \chordmode {
>\partial 4  s4
>\repeat volta 2 { a1 g c a  }
>  
>
>
>
>
> And, if you are interested, the results of this project can be viewed at:
>
> http://boulderhomegrown.com/fiddletunes
>
> There are scores, chord charts and lilypond synthesized audio tracks at
> different tempos for each tune.
>
> The issue described above can be seen at the site given.
>
> thank you for your time,
>
> john ware
>
>

I suppose this problem arises since the repeat sign is moreso part of the
staff than a text colon.

you could scale the entire staff to the desired size and avoid fiddling
with the font.

I also removed two levels of nesting unnecessary for this demo, the  {
\relative a' { } }

Nice work on your site.  Any chance of seeing Dusty Miller up there?


\version "2.14.2"

#(set-global-staff-size 60)

\score {
\new ChordNames \with {
\override BarLine #'bar-extent = #'(-1 . 1)
\override ChordName #'extra-offset = #'(0 . -1)
\consists "Bar_engraver"
}
\chordmode {
\partial 4  s4
\repeat volta 2 { a1 g c a  }
}
}


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