Re: Drawing wavy line across the bars

[Andrew Bernard]

H Dimitry,

If you want the wave in the staff, you can use extra-offset:

\version "2.19.58"

{
  \override TextScript.extra-offset = #'(0 . -3)
  c''4
  ^\markup { \draw-squiggle-line #1.2 #'(20 . 0) ##t }
}

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Re: Drawing wavy line across the bars

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Dimitry

\version "2.19.58"

{
  c''4
  ^\markup { \draw-squiggle-line #1.2 #'(20 . 0) ##t }
}

NR Section A.11.3.

No custom engraver required.

As to text with whiteout, I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader to
look up in the NR also - I'm sure you can find that.


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Drawing wavy line across the bars

[Dmitry]

Hi,

Attached is an excerpt from the famous jazz arrangement book by Georgy
Garanian.


(In fact, I can't name any other jazz arrangement book in Russian that
would be that profound and complete; needless to say, the terminology
and notation introduced in the book is widely accepted here in Russia.)

What I'm interested in is that wavy line that comes across the bars (or
sometimes between the staves), usually preceded by some text with a
\whiteout-like effect. The meaning of this symbol is, "play exactly
what other instrument plays". How can I reproduce the same in Lilypond?

>From what I've learned yet, I'll have to create an engraver (in Scheme)
that should create a spanner (as the object could span several bars).
Additionally, I guess we already have some graphical primitive for wavy
line, used in glissandos and trills. But it's a bit obscure for me how
to bind the things together. I'm a bit new to extending Lilypond, so
I'll be grateful if someone experienced gives an outline of the
solution.

Thanks in advance!
Dmitry

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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[tisimst]

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Son_V [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n201838...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> @Abraham
> Thanks, You're gentle.
> But... if nabble is not the correct way, where should I post?
> Remember, I just googled for "Lilypond forum" and I got nabble.
>

There's nothing wrong with using Nabble, but you must not have actually
subscribed to the lilypond-user mailing list:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user. I suggest you do so
(does Nabble not ask you if you're subscribed to the respective list
anymore? It used to...).

Either way, instead of clicking on "Reply", first click on "More v" and you
should see the option "Reply to author". Click that one instead and it will
automatically add the quoted text from the post you're going to comment on,
then you can add your response below it (after trimming any parts that
aren't directly related to your response, of course).

Best,
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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

@Abraham
Thanks, You're gentle.
But... if nabble is not the correct way, where should I post? 
Remember, I just googled for "Lilypond forum" and I got nabble.

PS I hope to find that damned and wonderful 'interpreter' or what can it be
called, and post again it here, because it's nice.



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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[tisimst]

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Son_V [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n201836...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> @Abraham
> Sorry I wasn't aware of this problem. I just googled for "Lilypond forum"
> and I got nabble. And seeing "Replay" on the side of someone's answer, I
> thought that it was clear who I was answering.
> PS "@Abraham" is good or should I use something else? I don't know...  :-)
>

@Abraham is just fine, no worries there. And I used to do the same thing
when I used the Nabble interface to the mailing list, but I almost never go
there now, relying on emails. So, if you would also include the person's
quoted text (as you see how I'm doing with your comments above), that would
help us understand _what_ you are responding to (i.e., give us some context
for your response). That's almost more important than _who_ you are
responding to, but include that too ;-)

Best,
Abraham




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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

@Abraham
Sorry I wasn't aware of this problem. I just googled for "Lilypond forum"
and I got nabble. And seeing "Replay" on the side of someone's answer, I
thought that it was clear who I was answering.
PS "@Abraham" is good or should I use something else? I don't know...  :-)



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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[tisimst]

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Son_V [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n201834...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> A shot in the dark could give the light to point at the score.  :-)
> But it wasn't enough, sorry.
> I will need to find where in hell have I saved that link. I will post that
> link if I succeed.
>

Yes, please do.

Also, it appears you are only using the Nabble interface to the forum
(which is fine), but since we can't readily see which person you are
responding to, would you mind quoting the person you are directly referring
to in the body of your messages? That would help reduce our confusion, too.
Thanks!

Best,
Abraham




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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

A shot in the dark could give the light to point at the score.  :-)
But it wasn't enough, sorry.
I will need to find where in hell have I saved that link. I will post that
link if I succeed.



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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[David Nalesnik]

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Son_V  wrote:
> Hi all,
> some days ago someone put a link for a web site where it was possible to
> make software request and obtain a Lilypond output. I forgotten the link,
> but it was liked a lot by one or more posters here, so I hope that I can
> receive that link, if anyone can help.
> Thanks.
>

A shot in the dark here: if not lilybin.com, then Abjad?
(https://github.com/Abjad/abjad)

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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

Ehm, if I remember well, a pdf output from a .ly file.



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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Son_V" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 4:39 PM
Subject: An 'interpreter' for lilypond



Hi all,
some days ago someone put a link for a web site where it was possible to
make software request and obtain a Lilypond output. I forgotten the link,
but it was liked a lot by one or more posters here, so I hope that I can
receive that link, if anyone can help.
Thanks.



What do you mean by "a Lilypond output"?  Lilypond code or a PDF?

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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

Thanks, but sorry... it seems to me it's not.



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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Guy Stalnaker]

Sorry, but no, I don't recall such a thing, only lilybin.com, etc.

I did a fair bit of back-and-forth with Martin about his lilybin.php script
because his effort was using some process from his Android tablet for
editing, and seeing the output, of lilypond source. I was very interested
in doing that. I had an editor that did lilypond syntax highlighting,
DroidEdit, but no way to submit the file for compiling. Martin told me
about the Termux application that creates a sandboxed terminal environment
with a package manager to install things like php, curl, vi/vim, or emas.

With that SvenA provided an outline of a php script to submit a lilypond
source file to lilybin.com using curl. Lilybin.com will compile the source
and return a ID for the results. Curl can then be used a second time to get
either pdf or midi results. The php script automates the curl submission
and getting the results.

So, now I can save a composition from Dropbox to the Android tablet
Downloads folder, see it Termux, edit with emacs, then use lilybin.php and
compile, then termux-open to view it, and upload back to Dropbox. This meas
that I need not tote my laptop with me everywhere and since the Android has
far better battery life, that is a good thing.

Guy

On Apr 1, 2017 11:03 AM, "Son_V"  wrote:

> Thanks, but it is not. But because you write:
> > The emails you refer to also provided a means by which one can use a
> > command line application like
> > curl to send a .ly document to lilybin.com and get back, in the terminal
> > environment, the .pdf or
> > .midi output.
> I hope you were one of the readers. I remember (IF I remember well) that
> there was something like a menu where to choose fro various commands and
> obtain an output.
>
>
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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[tisimst]

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Son_V [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n201825...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Thanks, but it is not. But because you write:
> > The emails you refer to also provided a means by which one can use a
> command line application like
> > curl to send a .ly document to lilybin.com and get back, in the
> terminal environment, the .pdf or
> > .midi output.
> I hope you were one of the readers. I remember (IF I remember well) that
> there was something like a menu where to choose fro various commands and
> obtain an output.
>

Perhaps this thread is what you're looking for?

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2017-03/msg00711.html




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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

Thanks, but it is not. But because you write:
> The emails you refer to also provided a means by which one can use a
> command line application like
> curl to send a .ly document to lilybin.com and get back, in the terminal
> environment, the .pdf or
> .midi output.
I hope you were one of the readers. I remember (IF I remember well) that
there was something like a menu where to choose fro various commands and
obtain an output.



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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

Sorry, no. The web page I'm searching was able to make an complex output from
some commands. Surely I've saved that page, but because I use more than a PC
God only knows in what I saved it.
Yours is just a LP interface.
I can only hope that the people who read the message are reading mine now.
Thanks anyway.




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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Guy Stalnaker]

Son_V,

You want lilybin.com. Enter lilypond code on the left, click Preview to see
the engraved score on the right. Enable log to see the lilypond compile
output. If there is an error in the lilypond source that results in a Fatal
error compile condition, the result is usually a "Communications Error" and
NO error log output -- well, in my experience anyway.

The emails you refer to also provided a means by which one can use a
command line application like curl to send a .ly document to lilybin.com
and get back, in the terminal environment, the .pdf or .midi output.

Martin Tarenskeen was the primar developer of a .php application one can
run in a terminal session to do this without running curl at a prompt. I
have attached to this email the last version of his lilybin.php script.

On Apr 1, 2017 10:39 AM, "Son_V"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> some days ago someone put a link for a web site where it was possible to
> make software request and obtain a Lilypond output. I forgotten the link,
> but it was liked a lot by one or more posters here, so I hope that I can
> receive that link, if anyone can help.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: No R in input! (Proposal for discussion)

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 01.04.2017 um 17:21 schrieb David Kastrup:

Polyphony can become rather awkward to read if some voice has a full bar
rest while another has material.

{
 << c''1 \\ R1 >>
}


Well, that has been typographical standard ever since engravers stopped 
center-aligning whole bar _notes_ (around the beginning of the 19th 
century, that was).


Best, Simon

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Re: An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[tisimst]

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Son_V [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n201820...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> some days ago someone put a link for a web site where it was possible to
> make software request and obtain a Lilypond output. I forgotten the link,
> but it was liked a lot by one or more posters here, so I hope that I can
> receive that link, if anyone can help.
> Thanks.
>

lilybin.com?




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An 'interpreter' for lilypond

[Son_V]

Hi all,
some days ago someone put a link for a web site where it was possible to
make software request and obtain a Lilypond output. I forgotten the link,
but it was liked a lot by one or more posters here, so I hope that I can
receive that link, if anyone can help.
Thanks.



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Re: No R in input! (Proposal for discussion)

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> Hello everybody,
>
> once again I find myself typesetting ancient music, which poses
> special challenges with regard to separation of content and
> presentation. Right now, I’m talking about the fact that bar lines are
> an editor’s decision and not part of the musical content – different
> editors might place bar lines after a breve, a semibreve, none at all,
> or only inbetween staves.
>
> This means amongst others that in order to use the same music source
> for different editions, it should not be hardcoded which rests are
> MMRs and which aren’t. Also, I don’t think there’s any ambiguity in
> the following translation: Every rest which fills one or more entire
> bars should be treated as a MMR by the typesetting engine.
>
> Thus, I would like to deliver a plea to perspectively abolish the
> distinction between r and R in LilyPond source code and have the
> engravers handle the difference.
>
> This would also get us rid of one possibility to make mistakes in engraving.
>
> I had this idea right now and it feels too convincing to me to
> actually be as good as it seems. Hence I’d love to hear your
> opinions. What complications are there (aside from the effort of
> implementation) that I fail to see?

Polyphony can become rather awkward to read if some voice has a full bar
rest while another has material.

{
<< c''1 \\ R1 >>
}

Formatting is completely different (multi measure rests are spanners!),
so articulations etc will behave surprisingly if LilyPond switches on
its own initiative.

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No R in input! (Proposal for discussion)

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello everybody,

once again I find myself typesetting ancient music, which poses special 
challenges with regard to separation of content and presentation. Right 
now, I’m talking about the fact that bar lines are an editor’s decision 
and not part of the musical content – different editors might place bar 
lines after a breve, a semibreve, none at all, or only inbetween staves.


This means amongst others that in order to use the same music source for 
different editions, it should not be hardcoded which rests are MMRs and 
which aren’t. Also, I don’t think there’s any ambiguity in the following 
translation: Every rest which fills one or more entire bars should be 
treated as a MMR by the typesetting engine.


Thus, I would like to deliver a plea to perspectively abolish the 
distinction between r and R in LilyPond source code and have the 
engravers handle the difference.


This would also get us rid of one possibility to make mistakes in engraving.

I had this idea right now and it feels too convincing to me to actually 
be as good as it seems. Hence I’d love to hear your opinions. What 
complications are there (aside from the effort of implementation) that I 
fail to see?


Best, Simon


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Re: Now I post again a proposal... A multilingual GRAPHICAL dictionary;

[Son_V]

I've looked at the links that has been suggested, and the closer to what I
was saying is at http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory1.htm . But it still is
not what I was thinking. Nor is
http://www.visualdictionaryonline.com/arts-architecture/music.php , only in
English.
I have a book (I'm no making publicity!), a Merriam-Webster's Compact
5-Language Visual dictionary, where a lot of things are visualized, and for
any of their parts there is description in five (of course) languages. 
But this "Compact" dictionary lacks every musical elements.
The Merriam and Webster's Visual Dictionary, second edition, have a (short!)
section on "musical notation" (page 562-563), but only in English.
I have another book, "Musica - Dizionario terminologico (terminological
dictionary I guess) IT-FR-EN-DE" -Zanichelli editor but just among terms. No
images at all.
I think that a "Visual" dictionary shoul be (let me repeat) something like a
"Rosetta stone", and should be a valuable work for the community.




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Re: German User Forum down

[Malte Meyn]

Am 01.04.2017 um 10:42 schrieb Manuela:
> Hi Malte,
> 
> I really do hope this is a joke (not a good one), if not, we can get a
> backup of our threads. I would participate in the costs of a new forum,
> greetings,
> Manuela

Maybe it’s not a joke but also not the end of the forum. Might be a
server or forum software problem. But I think lomtas’s hoster has a backup.

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Re: German User Forum down

[Manuela]

Hi Malte,

I really do hope this is a joke (not a good one), if not, we can get a
backup of our threads. I would participate in the costs of a new forum,
greetings,
Manuela



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Re: German User Forum down

[Malte Meyn]

Am 01.04.2017 um 06:51 schrieb Manuela Gößnitzer:
> Hi,
> 
> does anybody know anything about the German forum? The page is down since
> yesterday, the site says "End of life". I am really sad because this forum
> is very valuable for me,
> greetings
> Manuela

Hi Manuela,

fugenkomponist from the german forum here. I hope this is an april
fools’ joke ;) But if not:

I hope lomtas (the admin) will give us a chance to archive the threads.
Some years ago he said he cannot transfer the admin access to someone
else because of data privacy issues so if he really wants or has to
close it we would have to start a new forum.

These privacy issues would only apply to user data but not for the
public threads so archiving the threads should be ok.

If this forum comes to an end I would like to start a new one. We could
ask lomtas to sell/transfer the domain lilypondforum.de directly to one
of us. And hosting a forum shouldn’t be that expensive (I know a german
hoster with pay-what-you-want, very good support and very much freedom)
and maybe committed users like harm6, chf, you, me and some others could
share the costs. The old forum then could be found at a subdomain
archiv.lilypondforum.de.

Viele Grüße
Malte

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