Re: Some new tutorials in Spanish

2020-05-26 Thread Francisco Vila

El 26/5/20 a las 22:29, Caio Barros escribió:

That's very nice, Francisco. I think this is a very important thing for 
the LilyPond community to have. I found that you took very seriously the 
"ultra-fast" part. Sometimes I feel it is too fast. For instance when 
you begin to explain the clefs [1] there is almost no pause and I feel 
like, as a new user, it would be too much new information before I even 
have time to digest what I already learned.


[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWhZDpnXJPo=43s


Thank you. I think you are right. Maybe I think, the same way I have to 
pause and rewind some video tutorials, I am expecting everybody to do 
the same.


I was (still am) obsessed with the total length so that no one potential 
viewer gets scared away by a 5+ minutes long video, as I often am.


I can do better.

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Some new tutorials in Spanish

2020-05-26 Thread Francisco Vila

Hello,

I'd like to share my last attempt of a series of ultra-fast tutorials in 
Spanish.


I realize they are not useful at all for experienced users (obviously) 
and maybe also not that useful for absolute novices. But it's been fun 
doing them, and I'll hopefully cover the basic features of the language.


I fell in some stupid mistakes in the first one. They were replaced by 
some other stupid mistakes in the second.


First https://youtu.be/7i30bGI6Wmw
Second https://youtu.be/vWhZDpnXJPo

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Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-02 Thread Francisco Vila

El 1/4/20 a las 8:51, Gianmaria Lari escribió:

Off topic but very interesting :)

Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these?

https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI
https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk


If I had to do this, no doubt I'd use the MLT Framework, with no GUI, 
just coding, a la LilyPond.


For only two people, in this case I used Blender VSE. Two imported video 
tracks and transform strips for each, with offset and crop.


Poulenc, sonate (fragment)

* mix.mp40077-0852.mkv (4,6 MB) alojado en *cloud: 
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Document available.

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Re: version 2.18.2 - incorrect bar numbers with full measure rests

2020-03-25 Thread Francisco Vila

El 25/3/20 a las 8:10, Eby Mani escribió:

Thank you all for correcting my understanding.

As Torsten explained, since in 4/4, full-measure rest is coded 
internally as R1*8 and likewise for other time signatures, wouldn't it 
be possible do code to treat full-measure rest as graphically and 
musically based on time signature as the name implies ?.


E.g.
something like r\fmr or \RF would place graphically and musically 
correct rest based on the time signature.

\RF*8 would cover 8 full measures based on the time signature.


So actual timing would be context dependant. Another simultaneous 
expression could change time signature and that would change durations 
in this one.


This would be dangerous for those who expect a robust, hardwired 
duration as usual in lilypond code. Code is not visual, for good or bad.


You can always use macros for this.
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Re: Using Frescobaldi compile functionality - first test failed

2020-03-19 Thread Francisco Vila

El 19/3/20 a las 19:07, Pablo Cordal escribió:
> Hi,
>
> I'm doing the easy first test with this issue. I created a file a.ly
> <http://a.ly> and put it in c:
>
> When I run the command prompt lilypond doesn't find the file (I attach
> the results).
>
> Anybody knows what am I doing wrong?
>
> Regards
> Pablo

It's easier if you put the file in c:\Users\ana

and then just

C:\Users\ana> lilypond a.ly

because all the fuss with slashes, escaping and folders are a source of 
problems.


maybe c: should be C: instead, for example. I don't know

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Re: Three voices in same staff, from two variables

2020-03-18 Thread Francisco Vila

El 18/3/20 a las 20:41, Ben Rosen escribió:
Perhaps I should use something more explicit involving "\new 
Voice"? Is there a way to do this that preserves the variable structure 
I've laid out or is there a better approach for this situation?


Here is how I would write your music.

\version "2.20.0"
\language "english"

melody = \relative c' {
  af'2. af4 |
  af c g4. f8 |
}

harm =  {
  <<
\new Voice \relative c' { \voiceFour 1 }
\new Voice \relative c' { \voiceTwo bf2 af  s}
  >>

}

\score {
  \new Staff <<
\new Voice { \voiceOne \melody }
\harm
  >>
}



I.e. go explicit as often as you can, so you don't lose control over 
which voice number the music is in.


The part

  \voiceFour 1

comes from the aim to be an intermediate secondary voice.

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Re: Text problem

2020-03-18 Thread Francisco Vila

El 18/3/20 a las 9:47, Mariona Reixach escribió:


Could someone tell me how to put a syllable of a word in a grace 
(appoggiatura, for example)?


Mariona,

I hope this example clarifies the docs.


{
  c'4
  \appoggiatura d'8 c'4
  c'4
  c'4
}
\addlyrics {
  Do
  Do % appogg, no syllable
  Do
  Do
  Do }


{
  c'4
  \appoggiatura d'8 c'4
  c'4
  c'4
}
\addlyrics {
  \set includeGraceNotes = ##t
  \set ignoreMelismata = ##t
  Do
  Re %appogg with syllable
  Do
  Do
  Do }

{
  c'4
  \grace d'8 c'4
  c'4
  c'4
}
\addlyrics {
  \set includeGraceNotes = ##t
  Do
  Re %grace
  Do
  Do
  Do }

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Re: lyp

2020-03-17 Thread Francisco Vila

Hello Sami,

El 16/3/20 a las 18:39, Sami Amiris escribió:

At first I had a system version, 2.19.84, which ran fine. I installed lyp,
and wanting to take advantage of all the great stuff it allows us to have, I
uninstalled my system lilypond and re-installed it in lyp, along the all-new
stable version.


Let's clarify, correct me if I'm wrong

I guess you have a Linux OS.

By "System version" do you mean standard package for your distribution?

"In lyp" means in a folder with that name?


I installed all packages as well. To my dismay, it did not
print at all.


Here you should tell exactly which stage of the whole printing process 
you reached. "Printing" is sometimes used in the manuals for "rendering" 
but there are intermediate PS files which could be correct even if 
latest Ghostscript command fails.



Searching the list, I found a similar problem in a thread
about an issue with postscript. I tried to remedy according to what I read,
it did not work.


Please specify the issue with accompanying links and it will be easier 
for everyone to help.



So I uninstalled the lyp-2.19.84 and reinstalled the system
2.19.84. Suddenly it can print, just like before. Of course, the
lyp-installed 2.20 still cannot.

Also, both the lyp version and the system version understand all lyp
commands ("require" etc).


Requisites are dependant packages? Our binary is not a package, it does 
not perform automatic installation of any other packages like your 
package manager does.



The system version which at the moment is the only
one to print, understands them but doesn't render them.


How do you know it understands them?


It probably ignores
them for some reason.


Do you get any messages that suggest so?


For example, I instruct it to print with the bravura
font, but it doesn't follow through.


Trying to render a file with an alternative font is the last thing I 
would ever try before having made a simple file to work.



Any ideas?


Strip the problem, use { b } or any other simple input. Tell me the 
console output from command line run.


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Re: Problems generating MIDI

2020-03-15 Thread Francisco Vila

El 15/3/20 a las 18:52, Pablo Cordal escribió:
Yes, I use Frescobaldi to generate the MIDI, and I use Windows Media 
Player to listen to the midi file.


This is the process:
- I open the .ly with Frescobaldi
- Crtl + M to generate the pdf (music sheet) and the MIDI file
- I listen to the midi file with WMP
- I close WMP
- I modify the .ly file inside Frecobaldi (for instance, I add another note)
- Press Crtl+M
- The midi file is not overwritten

So... I close Frescobaldi, delete the midi file and reopen the .ly file. 
Then I press Crtl+M and then a new midi file is generated. I'd rather 
not having to close Frecobaldi to generate a new midi, makes my work slower.


Any ideas?


I know the problem is now solved, but there is a reason worth knowing, 
why this did now work before.


If you don't have the option 'Save document if possible' in LilyPond 
settings, and you press Ctrl+M on a modified document, or on a new 
document you have not saved yet, then lilypond is run on a temporary file.


That's why the MIDI file is not overwritten.

Please set the option to always save, of get used to the key sequence 
Ctrl+S,Ctrl+M every time.


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Re: Transposing instruments

2020-03-13 Thread Francisco Vila

El 14/3/20 a las 0:18, antlists escribió:

On 13/03/2020 11:29, Francisco Vila wrote:
So my question for Kieren is, for large scores involving transposing 
wind instruments along with strings etc, how do you manage this by 
using only clefs and no transposition? 


This is a double question, seeing as wind instruments rarely transpose 
by an octave. For example, I play the trombone, which is either 
written in bass clef concert, or in treble transposed by a ninth. I 
just don't worry about the 8s on the clef, I transpose a second and 
use the treble_8 clef "as is". Nobody's commented on that extra little 
8 so far ... :-)


Cheers,

Wol


Piccolo transposes an octave up. Usually though, its clef is plain 
treble clef. This is a "transposed score" for the piccolo. In a Concert 
score, however, a G^8 clef is used to indicate explicitly this octave 
up. So this is easy to do, using only clefs. Same for Contrabassoon. 
Same for Double basses.


Now think Bflat Clarinet. You can not just produce a clarinet score from 
concert pitches using only clefs.


For super-easy sheet music, there is no problem. Just put the noteheads 
where you want the clarinet to read them. For full orchestra and parts, 
on the contrary, a coherent plan is mandatory, and I don't see how 
transposing clarinet is different from transposing piccolo. In both 
cases you have different written- and sounding- notes.


So let me ask again, if use of transposition is evil, how can one avoid 
it and stick to clefs only?


I think the answer is "you can't" but I'm still curious about what 
people do.


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Re: Transposing instruments

2020-03-13 Thread Francisco Vila

El 15/2/20 a las 18:10, Kieren MacMillan escribió:

Hi Pierre-Luc,


I now feel a weight have been lifted from my shoulders.


Well, I hope we don’t hear from you years from now saying “For what it's worth, 
I wish somebody would have told me earlier that I
should use clefs rather than transpositions.”  LOL

Cheers,
Kieren.


Just like LilyPond allows engraving a simple song with

  \score {  { b } \addlyrics { Bee } }

(you'd never engrave an opera this way, but you also don't want to be 
unnecessarily overkilling), LilyPond allows the simple case of engraving 
guitar music in G clef and, if no more complex use is to be made from 
this (e.g. reusing) then all is fine. You can get correct pitches on 
MIDI by \transposition.


You can, alternatively, enter correct pitches and a false clef which 
moves the music an octave up and hides the 8. The fact is, guitar music 
is usually written in plain G clef and this is known to sound an octave 
lower. It's common practice.


I also agree on guitar being no essentially different to e.g. clarinet 
on this respect.


So my question for Kieren is, for large scores involving transposing 
wind instruments along with strings etc, how do you manage this by using 
only clefs and no transposition?


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Re: Function operating on header

2020-03-12 Thread Francisco Vila
This shows that header fields behave just like plain markups and can be 
used inside other markups:


\header {
  title="The title"
  composer=\markup{Composer of \italic\title }
}
  { b }


On 7/3/20 18:50, Timothy Lanfear wrote:

On 07/03/2020 14:52, Noeck wrote:

Thank you, Timothy,

this is how far I got already. It is probably a step in the right
direction. But there are two issues with it:

1) I would like to use some Scheme code on the fields (with if etc),
    so I need the 'header:author as a string and #(markup->string …)
    did not work.
2) Can this be put in a command which I can move to a separate file?
    Like \evaluateHeaders

Cheers,
Joram


Ok, so here is an example of a function to create a bookpart 
consisting of a single blank page by clearing all the header 
variables. It should give some clues about how to construct a header 
in Scheme,



\version "2.19.80"

% Print a blank page
blankpage = #(define-void-function () ()
  (let ((bookpart #{ \bookpart { \paper { page-count = 1 
print-page-number = ##f } \markup \null } #})

    (header   (make-module))
    (props    '(dedication title subtitle subsubtitle instrument
    poet composer meter arranger opus piece copyright)))
    (for-each (lambda (prop) (module-define! header prop #f)) props)
    (ly:book-set-header! bookpart header)
    (ly:book-add-bookpart! $current-book bookpart)))



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Re: Transposing an entire score

2017-11-08 Thread Francisco Vila
On 08/11/17 01:52, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote:
> 
> Why? That would only make sense if you used the same variables in
> different scores and wanted to transpose all of them
> 
> 
> 
> I answered the question that was asked.
> And it makes sense: to transpose music, you use the \transpose function.

This is true, but I think what Simon says is that it is better to leave
the music definitions in concert pitch and transpose the choir staff
only, which is a single << >> music expression.

Transposing every definition does work indeed, but it is a potential
source of problems for reusing that music (maybe in another
transposition) unless you want the music definitions transposed at
origin once and forever, for some reason.

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Re: Creating orchestral score

2017-11-05 Thread Francisco Vila
On 05/11/17 02:33, Daniel Mehdizadeh wrote:
> I've been trying to figure out how to creat parts and use them to
> compile an orchestral score. I've finally made some sense of it all
> however am facing one problem:
> I've successfully created some random parts: horn, violin, flute and
> trumpet and they all have this layout:
> 
> \version "2.19.80"
> 
> \header {
>   instrument = "flute"
> }
> 
> fluteNotes = \relative c' {
>   \time 2/4
>   r4 des
>   bes2
>   \time 5/8
>   des8 c2
> }
> 
> \score {
>  { \fluteNotes} 
> }

If this is the code for your parts, you're right, it prints a part. Here
is the problem. You don't want to include this file in a score, because
it still will print a part. For building files by including others,
whatever you include, make sure they don't print any parts by themselves.


> 
> Now I've been trying to \include these part files in a score, and I was
> successful, however the score prints all the parts as a separate line or
> movement AND again it re-prints it together just like a score. So what I
> end up with is the flute part printed and next system with quite some
> space in between the next part and so on, then under all of it the score
> is printed. How can I just have the score? This is my score:
> 
> \version "2.19.80"
> 
> \include "Horn_Part.ly"
> \include "Violin_Part.ly"
> \include "flute_part.ly <http://flute_part.ly>"
> \include "trumpet_part.ly <http://trumpet_part.ly>"

Well it's funny what Thunderbird does to filenames here.

> \score {
> <<
>   \new Staff \hornNotes
>   \new Staff \violinNotes
>   \new Staff \fluteNotes
>   \new Staff \trumpetNotes
>>>
> }
> 
> \header {
>   title = "Test"
>   instrument = "Orchestra"
>   tagline = ##f
>   piece = \markup \smallCaps {"Score"}
> }
> 
> 
> Hope this makes sense. Thanks!

One common setup is the following:

- Define variables for all parts. If this is a separate file, don't put
any score in it.
- Include the file above with the music. Prepare separate score blocks
for parts and the orchestral score. Use the variables you defined.

In short, separate "create and print a score" from "define variables
with music" in separate files so that when you include a file you don't
get unexpectedly printed scores.

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Re: printing the current moment in a context

2017-08-16 Thread Francisco Vila
On 16/08/17 14:53, David Kastrup wrote:
> Kieren MacMillan <kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>>> Something like
>> This is great!
>>
>> …except in the *exact* circumstance I actually need it for:

{
 c d-"@" f g
c d-"@" f g
\cadenzaOn
c d-"@" f g
c d-"@" f g
}

May I ask, after \cadenzaOn there is no moment anymore? Is there some
other internal counter for this?


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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

2017-08-15 Thread Francisco Vila
On 15/08/17 20:55, Francisco Vila wrote:
> All in all, one of the most usefulness of LilyPond is completely lost,
> which is to make beautifully typeset music automatically from a terse,
> meaningful symbolic language.
>
It must be said, however, that a blind Spanish user today told me that
something is far better than nothing, so the feature maybe is still
useful for some people.
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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

2017-08-15 Thread Francisco Vila
On 15/08/17 20:25, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote:
> Hello Francisco,
>
>> - The converted code has \stemUp and \stemDown in every single note,
>> which had to be searched and replaced. Also all articulations are
>> forced up or down. 
>
> Don’t know why musicxml2ly recently enforced such behavior, without
> any option to prevent it.
> The same holds for \pointAndClickOff.
>>
>> - Bar number checks have to be searched as well to delete them. What
>> if you want to insert a measure? it's a nightmare. Even worse, bar
>> number checks are not fixed strings, so you have to compose regular
>> expressions to match them.
>>
> I’ve written a bash/awk script to offset measures numbers, leading to:

That is interesting.
>>
>> - Dynamics are not attached to the note it is meant to, if the author
>> moved them with the mouse.
>>
> Do you mean they’re attached to a rest? I get that frequently after
> scanning with PhotoScore Ultimate and exporting to MusicXML. Or have
> you experienced a thoroughly different phenomenon?

Usually a rest, if rests precede the dynamics, but also any note
preceding the dynamics, if this is in the middle of a measure full of
noteheads. It looks as if Finale users first put the dynamic anywhere in
the measure (thus being hardwired to the beginning), then reposition it
to the corresponding note. It is visually correct (for them), but
internally it loses the meaning.

>> - Just look at this converted block:
>>
>> #(set-global-staff-size 20.6625714286)
>>
>> \paper {
>> paper-width = 21.59\cm
>> paper-height = 27.93\cm
>> top-margin = 1.27\cm
>> bottom-margin = 1.27\cm
>> left-margin = 2.53\cm
>> right-margin = 1.27\cm
>> between-system-space = 2.19\cm
>> page-top-space = 1.27\cm
>> indent = 1.66076923077\cm
>> short-indent = 1.10717948718\cm
>>   }
>>
>> No comments. Except that you have to pay attention to it even if you
>> want to discard it completely, because it's between all else,
>> otherwise useful, code. The work of picking and editing the useful
>> parts is time-consuming.
>>
> The numerous decimal digits could easily be limited to 2 without a
> great loss IMHO.
Yes, eleven decimals look like a bit too many for me.

> The various settings in \paper seem to come from the MusicXML data
> itself, and having them there makes it easy for the user to adapt them
> to what he needs.
All in all, one of the most usefulness of LilyPond is completely lost,
which is to make beautifully typeset music automatically from a terse,
meaningful symbolic language.

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Re: Git version control

2017-08-15 Thread Francisco Vila
On 10/08/17 23:11, Graham King wrote:
> \header {
>
>   tagline = \markup{  \center-column{
> \concat {"Music engraving by Lilypond "
> $(lilypond-version) "-www.lilypond.org
> <http://www.lilypond.org>"
> }
> \line { "Version control for this edition: gitrev "
> \gitrev " " \modts }
> }}
> }
>
>
> Now you can tell whether that paper copy is up-to-date.  Of course,
> you don't want this code cluttering up every lilypond score, so best
> put it in a separate file and \include it.
>

Nice. I have a simpler solution for those who launch a bash script for
rendering en masse. The script has this line:

echo "hash="\"Git version `git log --pretty="%h %s" | head -1`"\"" >
gitversion-header.ily

Then the same script calls lilypond on the files to compile as usual.

The lilypond file or your stylesheet \includes the file
gitversion-header.ily and prints the version with a \markup{\hash} or
similar.

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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

2017-08-15 Thread Francisco Vila
On 15/08/17 15:01, Richard Shann wrote:
> I agree with this advice, which is why Denemo's MusicXML is still so
> primitive. It has a few hiccups but it ignores most of what is not the
> the music per se but is instead decisions about how the music should
> look. I think LilyPond would be well served by a converter that takes
> all the pitches/durations and things like time signatures needed to make
> sense of them and ignores everything else. 

Yes, I'd like to hack the musicxml2ly, if I only could, to filter the
conversion, as we can't do anything on the export from to XML process
from the other side.

As an alternative, smart regular expressions could be of help to filter
out certain elements from the ly code after the conversion. I'll try to
post those I used.

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XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

2017-08-15 Thread Francisco Vila
>From my work on Daahoud Salim's sextet, I can tell to those interested
some things to do and some not to. Today I am focusing on the XML import
alone.

Long story short: avoid it.

This is a very small piece when compared to dozens of huge works we all
in the list have seen on the years, but it is decent-sized for me, at
least big enough so that some mistakes can have a deep effect on the
workflow.

What is obviuos is that a version control system of any kind is
absolutley needed. In my case that saved me from the disaster two or
more times. Branches are very useful, too. But this is well known by git
users. All ponders, do become git users! Some also use Make for
building. I used it for my LaTeX thesis. _My_ problem with Make is that
syntax of makefiles is very hard to read.

The piano part looked cumbersome to type; I knew the composer could give
me exported XMLs from Finale and I thought this was going to make me
save some time. It was rather the opposite. MusicXML puts too many
layout details forced.

- The converted code has \stemUp and \stemDown in every single note,
which had to be searched and replaced. Also all articulations are forced
up or down. Beams are also fixed.

- Page and line breaks are there and you don't want them.

- Tuplet fractions are often almost impossible to understand.

- Line breaks in the code itself are nonsense, e.g. in the middle of a
<> chord or a tuplet.

- Bar number checks have to be searched as well to delete them. What if
you want to insert a measure? it's a nightmare. Even worse, bar number
checks are not fixed strings, so you have to compose regular expressions
to match them.

- Dynamics are not attached to the note it is meant to, if the author
moved them with the mouse.

- Page size is usually US Letter.

- Just look at this converted block:

#(set-global-staff-size 20.6625714286)

\paper {
paper-width = 21.59\cm
paper-height = 27.93\cm
top-margin = 1.27\cm
bottom-margin = 1.27\cm
left-margin = 2.53\cm
right-margin = 1.27\cm
between-system-space = 2.19\cm
page-top-space = 1.27\cm
indent = 1.66076923077\cm
short-indent = 1.10717948718\cm
  }

No comments. Except that you have to pay attention to it even if you
want to discard it completely, because it's between all else, otherwise
useful, code. The work of picking and editing the useful parts is
time-consuming.

My advice to all copyists is: unless you can extract naked pitches and
rhythms from the XML, it is better to forget it.

===

> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
bear in mind > that the composer has found some changes to be done and
therefore the version > is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
what latest changes are.

Grachtenfestival Amsterdam Poem: History of Peoples
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379

Sunday 13 August / 20:30
Muziek
Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
Chausson, E: Poème
Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major

Daahoud Salim
piano, composer
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576=en

Rosanne Philippens
violin
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
http://www.rosannephilippens.com/

Aristos Quartet
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711=en
http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker

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Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

2017-08-14 Thread Francisco Vila
On 14/08/17 16:00, David Bellows wrote:
> [copied to entire list, sigh]
>
> Hey Francisco,
>
> It looks really nice, congratulations!
>
> I was wondering if you could talk a bit about how you and the composer
> chose the license for this work. I license my stuff under a permissive
> CC license but still find it interesting when other composers do as
> well and wonder about their thought process.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave Bellows

First I offered my edition work for free, provided that it would be
freely available. The composer agreed. This alone implies that PDFs are
also available, because in theory anyone could render the PDFs for
themselves, so I thought why not to ship them as well? I wouldn't make
much difference. But to be honest, the part "anyone to render by
themselves" was not fully clear because LilyPond is not excessively
popular among musicians from our close environment.

Then I asked directly for the license of the work itself. My position is
to be clear on this point: all other rights are kept by the composer,
given that a 'strong' copyright is automatically applied to any creative
work, and the fact a PDF is freely downloadable does not mean he can not
benefit from recordings et cetera. He stated that he didn't want to
block people to play the work, be it for free or for profit.

The only concern is, what if someone tries to become rich and/or
prevents others to do the same? Here is where the All Rights Reserved
comes into place. That way he reserves the right to be asked when a use
of the material could potentially be outside of the limits of fair use.

I don't know if the license is perfectly well chosen, but the compromise
looks reasonably safe.


>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Francisco Vila <paconet@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
>>> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
>>> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
>>> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
>>> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
>>> festival programme.
>>>
>>> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
>>> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>>>
>>> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
>>> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
>>> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
>>> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
>>> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
>>> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
>>> satisfying.
>>>
>>> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
>>> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
>>> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
>>> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
>>> thank any comments.
>> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
>> bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
>> therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
>> what latest changes are.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
>>> Poem: History of Peoples
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>>>
>>> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
>>> Muziek
>>> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
>>> Chausson, E: Poème
>>> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>>>
>>> Daahoud Salim
>>> piano, composer
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576=en
>>>
>>> Rosanne Philippens
>>> violin
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
>>> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>>>
>>> Aristos Quartet
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711=en
>>> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
>>> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
>> --
>>
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>> paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com
>>
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Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

2017-08-14 Thread Francisco Vila
On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
> festival programme.
>
> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>
> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
> satisfying.
>
> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
> thank any comments.

Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
what latest changes are.

Kind regards,

> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
> Poem: History of Peoples
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>
> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
> Muziek
> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
> Chausson, E: Poème
> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>
> Daahoud Salim
> piano, composer
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576=en
>
> Rosanne Philippens
> violin
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>
> Aristos Quartet
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711=en
> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
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A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

2017-08-12 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello all,

I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
festival programme.

Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).

Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
(a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
satisfying.

My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
thank any comments.

Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
Poem: History of Peoples
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379

Sunday 13 August / 20:30
Muziek
Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
Chausson, E: Poème
Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major

Daahoud Salim
piano, composer
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576=en

Rosanne Philippens
violin
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
http://www.rosannephilippens.com/

Aristos Quartet
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711=en
http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker


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Re: Getting a new computer

2016-11-18 Thread Francisco Vila
Hi,
AMD FX-3600 here.

real1m26.823s
cpu MHz : 1400.000
bogomips: 7032.75
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Re: Trolling and unacceptable behaviour on the list

2016-11-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-11-18 10:58 GMT+01:00 Federico Bruni <f...@inventati.org>:
>
> I hope that you won't unsubscribe because of a stupid troll.
> Can't you just ignore him?
>
> I never read his emails, as soon as I see his name I delete the email. "Do
> not feed the troll" is the best answer IMO.
> Blacklisting should be the very last choice.

I have only read those messages from the anonymous troll after Andrew
complained. Until then, they lived happily in my inbox, harmless,
hidden under a thread name I was not specially interested on (namely:
multi-figure tuplets). I think it is easy to configure a filter or
just ignore him.

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Re: Stepping down and moving on

2016-11-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-11-18 18:27 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org>:
> Francisco Vila <paconet@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> David: I don't know what to say. I am very grateful to you for your
>> huge, unvaluable work and I wish you luck.
>
> In spite of the respectively English and Latin prefixes having the same
> formal meaning, the meaning of the resulting composites "unvaluable" and
> "invaluable" is surprisingly different.  I will assume that you were
> intending the latter.  Programmer bashing is rarely seen on this list,
> recent exceptions notwithstanding.

:-) Sorry for my sh**ty English.

>> Will you be available for punctual, emergency calls for help?
>
> Punctual?  No.  A full-time job does not allow me timely responses.  It...

Another false friend. I didn't mean Punctual as in 'fast delivery' but
rather tiny and sporadic. "Pointed" maybe?

What I wanted to say is "Thanks", "good luck", and "you will be
missed" both by people and the project.
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Re: Stepping down and moving on

2016-11-18 Thread Francisco Vila
David: I don't know what to say. I am very grateful to you for your
huge, unvaluable work and I wish you luck.

Will you be available for punctual, emergency calls for help?


2016-11-17 18:50 GMT+01:00 Graham King <lilyp...@tremagi.org.uk>:
> David,
> I'll add to the thread my deep thanks for your skill, insight, hard work,
> helpfulness, articulacy, and (yes, really) diplomacy. May your new employer
> prove as congenial and rewarding as they are evidently discerning.
>
> best regards
> -- Graham
>
>
> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 18:09 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>
> Hi folks and team,
>
> ...
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Re: Spanish terms for LH and RH

2016-10-21 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-10-21 16:43 GMT+02:00 Francisco Vila <paconet@gmail.com>:

> 2016-10-21 10:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bernard <andrew.bern...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I am engraving the Soler Fandango, an 18c Spanish piece. the LH and RH
>> indications in the MS I am working from are a little unclear. Given that
>> mano izqueirda is left hand and mano derecha is right hand I would have
>> expected to see I. and D., but the writer uses m. and D. Is this normal? I
>> am not so familiar with the Spanish keyboard conventions of the period.
>> What do Spanish composers use nowdays?
>>
>>
> I think the most used terms are m.d. for right hand and m.s. for left
> hand, and it is italian: mano destra, mano sinistra, if I'm not wrong.
> Spanish scores use them more than any Spanish terms, I think.
> <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
>
>
And if you want to put them in Spanish, they would be m.d. for right hand
(mano derecha, which matches Italian, so there is no confussion here) and
m.i. for left hand (mano izquierda). I vaguely remember to have seen those.


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Re: Spanish terms for LH and RH

2016-10-21 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-10-21 10:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bernard <andrew.bern...@gmail.com>:

> I am engraving the Soler Fandango, an 18c Spanish piece. the LH and RH
> indications in the MS I am working from are a little unclear. Given that
> mano izqueirda is left hand and mano derecha is right hand I would have
> expected to see I. and D., but the writer uses m. and D. Is this normal? I
> am not so familiar with the Spanish keyboard conventions of the period.
> What do Spanish composers use nowdays?
>
>
I think the most used terms are m.d. for right hand and m.s. for left hand,
and it is italian: mano destra, mano sinistra, if I'm not wrong. Spanish
scores use them more than any Spanish terms, I think.
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Re: Zapateado in Lilypond

2016-10-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-10-20 10:51 GMT+02:00 Peter Nærum <peter.nae...@gmail.com>:

> I am trying to use Lilypond to notate Zapateado (footwork in flamenco). In
> the system I use, left foot is marked by a stem going down, while right
> foot has no downward stem. Notes have meanings like: f: flat tap, a: strait
> tap, c: heel tap, e: toe tap.  Besides there are two ways of using the
> heel: With the front foot on the flour and with the foot clear of the
> flour. The first case is marked with a dot in the a-position in the staff.
> I have included three small examples. Do any body have a clue if it is
> polible write these markings in Lilypond?
>
>
Here are some (incomplete) ideas you can use and adapt.

upprA={ \tuplet 3/2{ a8 e c }
  \tuplet 3/2{ a e c }
  \tuplet 3/2{ a e c }
  \tuplet 3/2{ a e c }
}

lowrA={ \tuplet 3/2{ s8 e s }
  \tuplet 3/2{ a s c }
  \tuplet 3/2{ s e s }
  \tuplet 3/2{ a s c } }

\score{
  {  \clef bass << \upprA \\ \lowrA >> }
}

upprB={ c8 c c c <> <> }
lowrB={ s8 c s c s4 s }


\score{
  {  \clef bass << \upprB \\ \lowrB >> }
}

upprC={ f8 c c c c c e c e c e c }
lowrC={ s8 s s c s c s c s c s c }

\score{
  {  \clef bass << \upprC \\ \lowrC >> }
}


doo={ \override NoteHead.stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
  \override NoteHead.text = #(markup #:musicglyph "dots.dot")
  \omit Flag
  \omit Stem
  a' c'' e'' }

\score{
  { \doo }
}


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Re: Formatting two lyrics contexts without staff

2016-06-13 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-06-13 18:31 GMT+02:00 Svetlana Lobanova <eurid...@ya.ru>:
> Dear lilypond users!
>
> I want to align syllables of two text lines one under another without any 
> note staff. Below is a working snippet, which is quite good for my purpose. I 
> would like to gain some more control on layout:
> 1) make some manual line breaks,

Just insert \break where desired.

> 2) add more horizontal spacing around syllables ,

\override Lyrics.LyricSpace.minimum-distance = #1.0

Also, as in plain music, a \paper{ system-count = 4 } setting makes
spacing to be looser.

> 3) make sylables to center vertically,

They are, by default. Only melismata are not.

> 4) make ragged last line,

 \layout { ragged-last = ##t } as usual.

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Re: [ANN] Seven Music Notation Programs

2016-05-29 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-05-29 12:04 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:

> Thank you John.
> Very interesting indeed.
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>

I have two small comments to do. Paper size differ depending on the page,
there are at least three different sizes.

Also, Helvetica font is not embedded but it is standard (this is fine), but
NewBaskerbille-SC and NewBaskerbille-Roman are not embedded and they are
not standard. So, they get substituted, maybe by a different font in every
system.

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Re: OT: high-precision tuner app

2016-05-27 Thread Francisco Vila
2016-05-27 10:44 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl>:

>
> Reminds we of this version of a well known birthday song ...
>
>

For the laziest,

\version "2.19.41"
\header { title = "Fatal Birthday" }
\score {
  \relative {
\time 3/4 \partial 4
deses'8. bis16
cisis4 deses eis
fes2 bis,8. deses16
eses4 bis fisis'
geses2 c,8. deses16
\key cis \major bis'4 beses eis,8. geses16
disis4 eses \fermata ais8. ceses16
\key ces\major gisis4 geses g
geses2 \bar "|."
  }
  \layout{}
  \midi{}
}

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Re: Licence LilyPond Logo?

2016-03-20 Thread Francisco Vila
The original photo of the [single] lilypad is by Krista Scott-Dixon
(stumptuous.com). Taken at the Van Dusen Botanical Garden situated in
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
Somebody made a double lilypad from the photo. Later, saturation and
contrast  were improved by another person. John Mandereau provided a
music snippet for the background. Then I pasted the flower on the
music. So my share of the rights on the logo needs three decimals
after the comma to be properly measured.
I am positive nobody is going to sue you for its use, and it is good
for eye-catching on any lilypond-related material, yet my advice is
that you modify or customize it in some or another way (colors,
background etc) so that its official use by us is unmistakenly related
to us, and otherwise related, unofficial material uses another version
of the logo to avoid confussion.




2016-03-20 22:05 GMT+01:00 Barrios Blue <barrios_b...@yahoo.de>:
> It's not my intention to confuse or even offend anyone by using the Logo on 
> my tiny tutorial site. Although I make it pretty clear right at the beginning 
> that it has nothing to do with  the offical docs, people may skip this. I 
> probably should go looking for another eye-catcher.
>
> cheers Marco
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Re: Music symbols in Inkscape

2015-06-11 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-06-11 1:39 GMT+02:00 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com:

 Thank you!

 Summing up, currently there are 3 ways:

 1) importing the PDF pages with the glyphs
 2) importing an SVG file generated by LilyPond
 3) using the feta fonts as system fonts

 I find the first one not exactly quick and simple; the second one isn't
 good for my case (I need the glyphs, not a score);


An SVG score has all the glyphs. Moreover, some common music such as { b8[
d'] } produces output that you just can not type as glyphs from a font.


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Re: Multiple customized score outputs

2015-06-10 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-06-10 15:58 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Demange mathieu.dema...@gmail.com:
 Hello all,

 For my students, I'd need to be able to enter a simple LilyPond score that
 would be printed multiple times with some custom variables like this :

 \header {
 title = ...
 subtitle = [STUDENT NAME] - [CLASS NAME]
 }

 \score {
  ...
 }

 Which would render a single PDF with each customized header+score.

This is not ideal but it would  work:

% this is common.ly

common =  {a b c}
\header {
  title=A common title
}

% end of common.ly

% this is main.ly

\include common.ly
\bookpart{
  \header { subtitle = Student One }
  \score { \new Staff \common }
}
\bookpart{
  \header { subtitle = Student Two }
  \score { \new Staff \common }
}
\bookpart{
  \header { subtitle = Student Three }
  \score { \new Staff \common }
}

% end of main.ly




The idea is: the title is inherited from common.ly for all scores. The
subtitle is specified for every score. All scores go on different
pages and the result is a single PDF.

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Re: Music symbols in Inkscape

2015-06-09 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-06-09 17:35 GMT+02:00 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de:
 Am 09.06.2015 um 16:12 schrieb Carlo Stemberger:
 Hi,
 I'd like to use LilyPond glyphs[1] in Inkscape.

 You can directly open a LilyPond-produced svg file in inkscape. So you
 make sure all glyphs you need appear in a (dummy-) score and then
 compile it with the svg backend and open it in Inkscape.

\Offtopic{
  Some time ago I used LlilyPond-generated SVG to make a solid G-clef in blender
  https://paconet.org/cloud/index.php/s/FOBYPk2VPuC5at7/download
}

Document available if you like it.


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Re: a proper whiteout function

2015-04-29 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-04-29 13:30 GMT+02:00 Alexander Kobel n...@a-kobel.de:
 A
 minute of googling brought me to the following page, which nicely shows some
 difficulties, and illustrates why it requires significant effort:
   http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/?p=1257

To achieve a whiteout that is useful for music, I think a thick
default 'middle' stroke in white on a lower layer would work. See
example.



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Re: Repeating the same part many times with different transpose

2015-04-11 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-04-10 14:45 GMT+02:00 Eljakim Schrijvers eschrijv...@eljakim.nl:
 Hi there,

 I have an exercise defined as follows (most of the actual notes taken out).

 What I would like to do is transpose that exercise to g, d, a, e, b, fis,
 ..., f
 and have it repeated in each key.  I want each exercise displayed on a new
 page. I would like to have the key printed in the title of each page.

 Currently I just repeat the score for each transpose that I do (first three
 shown below) and the print my PDF, manually write the key on top of it.

 Surely, I must be able to do some kind of for t in (g,d,a,e...) { .. }

I would do this in Python. You need a list of notes and you can use
the same list for the names of the keys if printing them lowercase is
OK for you; or making them uppercase for the sake of printing them in
a header field. Prepare a sample working model just like the one you
posted, then try to print the same model using Python and taking the
note variables from the list.

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Re: OooLilyPond

2015-02-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2015-02-12 0:40 GMT+01:00 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:

 Has anyone used OooLilyPond recently?
 Today I tried it again and was getting an error that didn't happen to me
 when I last used it (quite some time ago).

 The macro fails if I select png output in the the OooLilyPond config
 dialog. If I switch to eps it works again.

 I am using Libre Office 4.3.5.2, LilyPond 2.19.15, OooLilyPond 0.4.0

Jus tested with LibreOffice 4.3.3.2, LilyPond 2.19.16 and OooLilyPond
0.4.0 , works well with png output.

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Re: Including a logo on the title page of a book

2014-12-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-12-05 16:48 GMT+01:00 Markus Baertschi mar...@markus.org:
 I've included a logo in the footer (tagline). I would have liked to
 add it to the top-left of each page, but did not find a simple way
 to do that without everything getting shifted around.

Did you try a toplevel markup before the actual score?

\markup {the logo}

\score {
{ c' }
}


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Re: Including a logo on the title page of a book

2014-12-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-12-05 19:12 GMT+01:00 Markus Baertschi mar...@markus.org:
 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
 Did you try a toplevel markup before the actual score?

 \markup {the logo}

 \score {
 { c' }
 }

 I tried adding it to things in the \header part.

 \header {
 title = \markup { ... \epsfile ... }
 }

 The problem is that this way the logo treated like the title text
 and takes space like it. I'd like to give it a fixed place on a separate 
 layer.
 Sort of 'print the logo 2cm from the top and 3cm from the left of the page',
 independent of any other text.

The this solution works: create a full page with your logo at the
desired location and use pdftk to combine them this way:

pdftk themusic.pdf background thelogo.pdf output overlay.pdf

thelogo.pdf and a PNG render of overlay.pdf attached.

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Re: Including a logo on the title page of a book

2014-12-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-12-06 0:54 GMT+01:00 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
 The this solution works:

Then this solution works.

To create thelogo.pdf I first saved a lilypond score as SVG, then
added the logo with inkscape, then deleted everything but the logo,
then saved as PDF.

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Happy 18th birthday, LilyPond

2014-11-01 Thread Francisco Vila
Sorry for the cross-posting. Just a short note to say LIlyPond is 18
since october if our git history is true.

Congrats to all for using/developing/maintaining/enjoying this great
piece of software.
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Re: Happy 18th birthday, LilyPond

2014-11-01 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-11-01 11:43 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
 So it's more like 19 since July for (work on?) version 1.0.1 though our
 git history seems rather messed up.  Just out of interest: where did you
 get that 18-year number?

You guessed it: I used the most naïve method possible. I moved the
scroll bar in gitk (without --all) at the bottom and there it was:

commit 4f4ad24a3bfeb77cfd0ecca104319607bfd28a63
Author: Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl
Date:   Wed Oct 9 14:04:46 1996 +0100

Initial.

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Messiah version for the sake of updating

2014-07-05 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello. This is mainly for Monsieur N. Sceaux. I have been trying to
compile nenuvar/Haendel/Oratorio/Messiah and the standard way via
'make' does not work for me with lilypond 2.19.9.

First of all, I'd like to update the code to a more recent version,
but my question is, what version is Messiah's code at? I can say
Haendel/Opera/GiulioCesare is in \version 2.11.57 for example, but
did not find any version statement in Messiah.

If you were going to compile all of nenuvar/ , where would you start from?

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Re: Messiah version for the sake of updating

2014-07-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-07-05 16:49 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Sceaux nicolas.sce...@free.fr:
 Le 5 juil. 2014 à 16:09, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hello. This is mainly for Monsieur N. Sceaux. I have been trying to
 compile nenuvar/Haendel/Oratorio/Messiah and the standard way via
 'make' does not work for me with lilypond 2.19.9.

 First of all, I'd like to update the code to a more recent version,
 but my question is, what version is Messiah's code at? I can say
 Haendel/Opera/GiulioCesare is in \version 2.11.57 for example, but
 did not find any version statement in Messiah.

 If you were going to compile all of nenuvar/ , where would you start from?

 I’m just updating the Messiah right now, so if you wait for a couple of
 days you’ll just have to type: make Haendel/Oratorio/Messiah

This is great news.

 As for versions: if you look at
   http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/index.php/2012/02/29/32
 and select from there the desired piece, you’ll see the lilypond version.

 Nicolas


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Ticks

2014-07-02 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello,
From the attached image, I thought I could use percent repeats to
simulate four ticks in a measure. The problem is

   \repeat percent 4 { anything }

always prints anything at least once at the beginning.

How would you print such a tick notation in the very first measure?

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Re: Ticks

2014-07-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-07-02 22:10 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:

 What about

 {
   c' f' b' g'
   \new Voice \with {
 \consists Pitch_squash_engraver
 \improvisationOn
 \omit Stem
   } {
 c c c c
   }
   f'2 g'
 }

 ?

Ah yes, improvisation notes without the stems. Thank you!

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Re: Typesetting b bes! chord

2014-06-12 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-06-12 15:52 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek carsonm...@ca.rr.com:
 In both measures the Paderewski Edition (The Fryderyk Chopin Institute) has
 two note heads on top of the “Y” construct.

Here is what the same edition has in etude 11, Op10, and what lilypond
does (or did some time ago) with a simple

bes aes'! a

https://paconet.org/cloud/public.php?service=filest=ac52b58ec2937de6eef67f51bc07ff9c
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Re: relative pitch with song sections

2014-05-14 Thread Francisco Vila
El 14/05/2014 21:16, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com escribió:

 2014-05-14 20:45 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider
 pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com:
  2014-05-14 18:43 GMT+02:00 Tim Roberts t...@probo.com:
 
 
 
  If the notes really do sound an octave below what is written, then the
8
  under the clef is exactly the right notation.  If they don't sound an
octave
  below what is written, then your transposition is not correct.
 
 
  I cannot think of any rules regarding those ottavated clefs...
  There is a bunch of guitar and bass scores - probably the majority of
them
  (and I'm talking about major publishers) that do not put any 8b clef.

 Yes. I can confirm.

  It is
  simply the editor's choice.

 And the editor's choice is wrong.

I agree.  The correct clef for guitar should be G_8.

 Cheers,
   Harm

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Re: relative pitch with song sections

2014-05-14 Thread Francisco Vila
El 14/05/2014 22:32, Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net escribió:

 On 15/05/2014 5:53 AM, Francisco Vila wrote:


 El 14/05/2014 21:16, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com escribió:
 
  2014-05-14 20:45 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider
  pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com:
   2014-05-14 18:43 GMT+02:00 Tim Roberts t...@probo.com:
  
  
  
   If the notes really do sound an octave below what is written, then
the 8
   under the clef is exactly the right notation.  If they don't sound
an octave
   below what is written, then your transposition is not correct.
  
  
   I cannot think of any rules regarding those ottavated clefs...
   There is a bunch of guitar and bass scores - probably the majority
of them
   (and I'm talking about major publishers) that do not put any 8b clef.
 
  Yes. I can confirm.
 
   It is
   simply the editor's choice.
 
  And the editor's choice is wrong.

 I agree.  The correct clef for guitar should be G_8.


 I would say, based on my fairly extensive collection of guitar scores,
collected over about 40 years, that there are probably more commercially
engraved editions that omit the 8 than those that show it.

IMHO that expresses a high proportion of 8, more than I thought.


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Re: relative pitch with song sections

2014-05-12 Thread Francisco Vila
Using relative per variable at the moment of their definition is robust
pitchwise.
Sorry for top posting
El 12/05/2014 10:48, Carlo Vanoni vanoniiscrizi...@yahoo.it escribió:

 Hi everyone,

 I'm transcribing a song that is, as usual, versex2-chorus-verse-chorus.
 Instead of copying all the notes of the verse/chorus section, I've created
 the verse-chorus sections so than I can just add \verse \chorus in the main
 score to print it.
 I need to display both the score and the tabs. I noticed that I have to
 set different relative pitches for the two notations, otherwise there is an
 octave difference in the two (maybe I'm messing up something... Check the
 example), so I need to state the relative pitch in the \new Staff - \new
 TabStaff sections.
 The problem is that, since I state the relative pitch there, I can't set
 the pitch of the song sections, so I don't know how to let the first note
 of the section to start always at a given pitch.

 Enough talking.
 Here is a simple example:
 
 \version 2.18.0

 verse =
 {
 a'4 b c a | a b c a | \break
 }

 chorus =
 {
 a'4 b c d | d e f g | \break
 }

 song =
 {
 \repeat volta 2
 {
 \verse
 }
 \chorus
 \verse
 \chorus
 \bar |.
 }

 bass = {
 
 \new Staff \with {
 \clef bass
 \omit Voice.StringNumber
 }
 {
 \relative c,
 \song
 }

 \new TabStaff \with {
 \clef moderntab
 stringTunings = #bass-tuning
 }
 {
 \relative c,,   % tabs relative to a lower octave!
 \song
 }
 \set Staff.instrumentName = #Bass
 
 }

 \score {
   \bass
 }
 

 What I want is that each section starts from the same note (a' relative to
 c,). What happens is that each section will be relative to the previous
 section last note, so everything start to jump up an octave.
 This can probably be corrected setting the relative in the section itself
 (verse/chorus). But then the Score and TabScore will display different
 octaves.

 What am I missing?

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Re: relative pitch with song sections

2014-05-12 Thread Francisco Vila
El 12/05/2014 11:42, Carlo Vanoni vanoniiscrizi...@yahoo.it escribió:

 Hi Francisco,

 thanks for the reply.
 But... I didn't understand it very well...
 Did you mean to do something like this?
 
 verse =
 {

Yes.  This brace is not needed.

 \relative c,
 {
 a'4 b c a | a b c a | \break
 }
 }

Neither this is.


 chorus =
 {
 \relative c,
 {

 a'4 b c d | d e f g | \break
 }
 }
 

 As said, this set all verse/note to the correct pitch, but the tabs pitch
will be wrong (the \relative definition in the TabScore section will be
ignored).

Use relative to define the correct pitches in music variables and nowhere
else. Do not nest relative  statements.


 Il Lunedì 12 Maggio 2014 11:16, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com ha
scritto:
 Using relative per variable at the moment of their definition is robust
pitchwise.
 Sorry for top posting
 El 12/05/2014 10:48, Carlo Vanoni vanoniiscrizi...@yahoo.it escribió:

 Hi everyone,

 I'm transcribing a song that is, as usual, versex2-chorus-verse-chorus.
Instead of copying all the notes of the verse/chorus section, I've created
the verse-chorus sections so than I can just add \verse \chorus in the main
score to print it.
 I need to display both the score and the tabs. I noticed that I have to
set different relative pitches for the two notations, otherwise there is an
octave difference in the two (maybe I'm messing up something... Check the
example), so I need to state the relative pitch in the \new Staff - \new
TabStaff sections.
 The problem is that, since I state the relative pitch there, I can't set
the pitch of the song sections, so I don't know how to let the first note
of the section to start always at a given pitch.

 Enough talking.
 Here is a simple example:
 
 \version 2.18.0

 verse =
 {
 a'4 b c a | a b c a | \break
 }

 chorus =
 {
 a'4 b c d | d e f g | \break
 }

 song =
 {
 \repeat volta 2
 {
 \verse
 }
 \chorus
 \verse
 \chorus
 \bar |.
 }

 bass = {
 
 \new Staff \with {
 \clef bass
 \omit Voice.StringNumber
 }
 {
 \relative c,
 \song
 }

 \new TabStaff \with {
 \clef moderntab
 stringTunings = #bass-tuning
 }
 {
 \relative c,,   % tabs relative to a lower octave!
 \song
 }
 \set Staff.instrumentName = #Bass
 
 }

 \score {
   \bass
 }
 

 What I want is that each section starts from the same note (a' relative
to c,). What happens is that each section will be relative to the previous
section last note, so everything start to jump up an octave.
 This can probably be corrected setting the relative in the section
itself (verse/chorus). But then the Score and TabScore will display
different octaves.

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Re: Accents with frescobaldi (OT?)

2014-05-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-05-01 21:10 GMT+02:00 Francois Planiol alicuota...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 I have an annoying issue with frescobaldi.
 To get accented wovels (or whatever accented, cedilled etc) you press
 first the accent then the wovel and the result is the accented wovel.
 But i my configuration:
 - typing accented letters works fine, only in a new file without any
 flavour of markup (-language).
 - typíng them outside of any context rarely works
 - typing them inside of any context (markup, score, relative, lyrics
 etc) also sometimes work. Pressing the accent sets it immediately,
 doesnt wait for wovel

 How do I get consistently the normal use of accented wovels?

I once asked the same
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/frescobaldi/QswzkvR-f7c and
now I can update the report a bit.

- It's not your fault: all other programs behave well and your
keyboard is properly configured. Only Frescobaldi shows the issue.
- Click the PDF music preview once, then click the text editing area
once, then try typing an accented character, it works once, then try
typing another one, it'll fail. In another words, it works first time
only after clicking in the edit area.
- Disabling the predictive auto-complete setting makes dead keys work.
You can still have auto-completing suggestions on demand, by pressing
ctrl+space.

My current approach is leaving auto-complete on for normal music
coding and comments in English: no accents. Then, for comments and
lyrics in Spanish I change to suggestions on demand and accents can be
typed normally.

The bug comes undoubtedly from a conflict between auto-complete
feature and dead keys. HTH,

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A new printed work done with LilyPond

2014-04-30 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello all,

I just wanted to share with you a few photos of this book.

https://secure.flickr.com/photos/pacovila/sets/72157644486452813/

It is published under noncommercial+nonderivative license, but I plan
to publish my own work (this is: the lilypond code itself) under
attribution+sharealike license.

The book, in Spanish, comprises twelve newly composed Christmas carols
talking about my region, Extremadura. It is intended to be used as
teaching materials for music lessons. The authors have written
didactic notes for each and recorded the music on a CD.

The music typesetting work is rather simple, with a minimum of tweaks.
Also, technical needs of this sort of notation aren't complex.

We are fairly satisfied with the results. It is not on sale yet (no
funds for that). What you see in the photos is a b/w homemade print.

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Tablature, unwanted stroke of tied note

2014-04-20 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello all,

in this example

upper = \relative c' {
  r2 b d f2~
  b d f b b e2~
  b b e r2
}

\score {
  \new StaffGroup 
\new Staff { \clef G_8 \upper }
\new TabStaff { \upper }
  
}

the second chord has the same note twice, and that seems to confuse
the tablature engraver making it to show a figure as if one of the
notes had to be stroke again. In the standard staff we can see three
ties on both chords. Image attached.

Do you know why, and how to avoid that? Thank you!

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Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-03-20 10:01 GMT+01:00 pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de:

 On 20.03.2014, at 08:35, Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl wrote:
 Musescore is open source software, why not [try to] use their importer?
 MuseScore will drop their support for LilyPond in version 2.0 (see 
 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-02/msg00087.html).

This is true but he is talking about using their MusicXML importer I think.

Without knowing all the internal details, I can say this sounds easy
but it is Not. Because, it imports, and converts to what exactly?
Certainly not to a LilyPond-usable representation of the music.

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Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-03-19 13:27 GMT+01:00 Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de:

 Did not spot a stand for Sibelius. I looked but did not hunt for it.

Last time I had news of, it was defunct. Sure, they still could be
trying to sell it, but IMHO only a fool would buy a copy.

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Re: Oskar Fried: the Big Bang

2014-03-11 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-03-11 12:07 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
 Hi all,

 Janek and I have made some fuzz recently about that secret March 11, and
 now's the time to disclose the great news:

 Our edition of Oskar Fried's songs was elected BEST EDITION 2014 by the
 German Music Publishers' Association, and we'll receive the award at the
 Frankfurt Musikmesse on Friday!

 :-) :-) :-)


WowWowWow!! Congratulations!!
And in addition, this is a very good advertisment for LilyPond.

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Re: LSR on v2.18

2014-03-10 Thread Francisco Vila
Thank you! I use LSR a Lot.

2014-03-09 17:04 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com:
 Dear all,

 It is my great pleasure to announce that the LSR now runs with v.2.18.
 Have fun !

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Problem with slur priority

2014-02-21 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello,

\version 2.18.0
\relative c' {
\override TupletBracket.direction = #DOWN
\tuplet 3/2 { f8[( e]) f }
\tuplet 3/2 { g8[( f]) g }
\tuplet 3/2 { a8[( g]) a }
\tuplet 3/2 { b8[( a]) b }
}

What makes the slur jump under the tuplet bracket in the last tuplet? See image.
I can not set outside staff priority for the slur because that makes
the slur go completely outside staff.

It's worth noting that lilypond 2.0 (!) behaved correctly here, see
ms.29 of http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ftp/FaureG/O7/apres/apres-a4.pdf
, upper staff.

Thanks

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Re: Problem with slur priority

2014-02-21 Thread Francisco Vila
I forgot the images. They are for 2.0 and 2.19
I added \override TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##f
to match the 2.0 version. So, how to force the same behavior?
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Re: Scorio and GPL

2014-02-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-02-20 8:13 GMT+01:00 Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de:
 OK, this is again the free-software-theme ... \relative c'' { \time 2/4
 \key c \minor r8 g[ g g] | ees2

\fermata % :-)

 | }

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Re: just a frustrated yop...

2014-02-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-02-18 11:20 GMT+01:00 Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net:
 On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Kieren MacMillan
 kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 There are very few out there who are pushing her farther, or promoting her 
 more enthusiastically, than I.

 Hi Kieren,
 (at least) two can play this game :-)

 All we would need -- as I've suggested many times in the past -- is a 
 setting which said this grob can move left/right/up/down to avoid 
 collisions

IMO this is possible but too computationally expensive unless you
explicitly mark single grobs to let him move. Which is not a big step
forward.


 And another thing -- totally unrelated this time -- I've been wishing
 for, would be that the determination of stem direction would be made
 more intelligent and context-aware; for example the following example
 would look a tad better if all the stems were printed upwards:
 \relative c' {
   g' a b a g8 a b a g2
 }
 (I'll be adding that to the tracker if I'm told there's something that
 can reasonably be expected here.)

I really believed lily already did this. In fact, that's what lilypond
page in Spahish wikipedia says. Where did this come from? I must have
been dreaming.

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Re: Layout issue when parsing line

2014-02-06 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-02-06 3:47 GMT+01:00 Antara-Prabhat Kalajian antara_prab...@icloud.com:
 Mr. Francisco,

 I deeply appreciate your assistance :)


 Here is my first example, as slimmed down as I can make it:

 \version 2.18.0
 \include english.ly
 \relative bf' {
 \key df \major

 af4 af af af gf8 [af] bf af gf4 gf
 f8 [f] f f f f gf4 df df8 gf gf f gf16 af16 gf8 ~ gf2. \bar :| }


 And here is my second instance (separate lilypond file) :

 \version 2.18.0
 \include english.ly

 \relative c'' {
 \key gf \major
 \override Glissando #'style = #'trill

 bf8 bf bf4 bf2 \glissando | af4 af af2 | bf4 af bf df | cf1
 df8 df df4 df2 ef8 [df] cf bf cf2 bf8 [af] gf ff ef2 df8 [ef] ff ef df2 \bar 
 :| }

 Both are repeat bar lines- I don't seem to have any trouble with simple bar 
 lines appearing.

 The exact same code, run through WebLily.net (running version 2.12.2) shows 
 the repeat bar lines. How peculiar! ;)

The exact same code as copied from your email does not work anywhere
because somehow the final doublequote for the \bar command has been
changed to another symbol.

However, after entering proper plain old double quote characters, the
bar you are trying to put is not included among the nine available
repeat bars in lilypond 2.18, see

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/bars#bar-lines

Besides, my advice is to use the repeat command for repeats and let
lilypond choose a good barline automatically.

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Re: Layout issue when parsing line

2014-02-04 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-02-04 Antara-Prabhat Kalajian antara_prab...@icloud.com:
 Now I'm trying to figure out why Lilypond sometimes prints bar lines 
 (manually added) at the end of the score, sometimes not. Any suggestions? :)

From a single given lilypond code, or from different codes? If the
latter, minimal examples of both cases would be very useful.

If the former, you found a bug.

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Re: Layout issue when parsing line

2014-02-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-02-01, Antara-Prabhat antara-prab...@antara-prabhat.com:

Just a nitpick, it's not related to your question, but

 \version 2.18.0-1

is that a valid number in a version statement? 2.18.0-1 is certainly
what the download link text states and it may be a package version in
a distribution repository, but does the convert-ly tool manage that
properly? I don't know.

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Re: Survey: Git (G)UIs

2014-01-06 Thread Francisco Vila
2014/1/6 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
 Hi all Git users,

 I'd like to make a survey on how you are working with Git.

 Do you use the command line exclusively, or a GUI (which one(s))?
 Or a GUI for certain tasks and the command line for others?

 I'd be particularly interested in reports of successful or failed
 attempts to learn Git by starting with a GUI tool. I have a strong
 opinion that one should use the command line until one has a good
 understanding of the concepts, but I'd be interested in any differing
 experiences.

After having used git on command line for a time and gitk for
visualizing and searching, I gave git-gui a try for real operations
such as adding, committing or pulling and I couldn't. It was like
hitting a wall. I think most used commands were not put in logical
places on menus and using it happened to be very slow for me because I
never was able to remember where to find a command.

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Re: upgrade and convert-ly

2013-12-30 Thread Francisco Vila
El 30/12/2013 21:31, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com escribió:

 Mark -


 On 12/30/2013 01:22 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:

 Hello,



 Does 2.18 install over the previous version (2.16.2 for me), or must the
previous version be uninstalled first?

 I think this REALLY should be made quite clear in the installation
instructions. It is a question is one might quite reasonably anticipate.

 My own experience is that a new install wipes out the old, but this may
be an illusion - if all that's happening is a pointer is being redirected
to the new install location.


My short experience on Windows says the installer refuses to work unless
you uninstall any previous version it could be installed.
 PLEASE - SOMEONE CLARIFY THIS, then update the installation instructions
at the Ly site so this question is answered right there.

 Tom




http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/usage/invoking-convert_002dly

 gives instructions for converting files.



 My command prompt comes up as

 C:\users\Owner.

 Should I then complete it to be

 C:\users\Owner convert-ly –e *.ly?



 My Lilypond files are in an external hard driver. Does that require some
alternation in the command?



 Thank you for your kind attention.



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Re: Efficient transposition

2013-12-30 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/12/31 Colin Tennyson colintenny...@outlook.com:
 You see, the way I understood the documentation was that the  \transpose
 [note] [note] _must_ be followed _directly_ by a pair of curly braces.
 I'm pretty much stunned by your example, where the  \transpose c' a is
 followed by a \new ChoirStaff

I think docs explain it and examples do exemplify it: lilypond music
expressions are like math expressions: by adding new parts connected
by operators you can build bigger expressions such as -(2+3) from
smaller ones such as 2+3.

Now in lilypond you can have { f g a b } which is a music expression
and so are these:

\relative c { f g a b }
\transpose c c' \relative c { f g a b }
\new Staff \transpose c c' \relative c { f g a b }

et cetera.

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Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Francisco Vila
El 07/12/2013 15:48, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net
escribió:

 I don't see why you assume that.  There's no particular reason why you
need an identical bundled install for every platform -- different platforms
come with different expectations on the part of users, so it should be fine
to have e.g. a Windows installer that bundles Lilypond with an appropriate
IDE, whereas on GNU/Linux you just install Lilypond itself.


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Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/12/5 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com:
 There are modern tools for web development? Seriously, though, except when
 I've been using a package like WordPress, I've pretty much been hand coding
 websites for the last dozen years or so, partly because of popular HTML
 authoring tools generating oodles of garbage that fortunately nobody peruses
 closely.

I don't want my initial proposal to get polluted with issues about
cuteness of our web page. My stronger idea would be:

Let's give new users something they can double-click and start
playing without the need of calling them stupid for having done so

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A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc)

2013-12-04 Thread Francisco Vila
Warning. I this message, Why don't we does not mean do it, you
slave. It means just asking do you think it's a worthwhile idea?

The thread about usability and promoting has forked too much and my
thoughts are somewhat related to both. I am crossposting to hear users
feedback also, sorry for that.

I keep seeing newcomers double-clicking the LilyPond icon on the
desktop despite of our warnings about not to do that. LaTeX is also
just a typesetting engine and people do not try to work with it by
first clicking on a desktop icon, do they? I don't really know what's
the Windows LaTeX experience like, but I can assume the user base of
LaTeX is far greater than LilyPond's, and newcomers have always an
experienced user in the nearby ready to help. That's the critical
mass effect that Finale and Sibelius already have and we don't.

Despite of having a README just in front of your eyes, IMO we should
expect people will always try to open lilypond to work in a typical
program window. Why don't we just give them what they want? That is: a
program you open. All programs are opened and it doesn't matter how
hard we try, most people want to open the program. We could make the
lilypond icon to launch a shell applet to open ly projects and a
button to compile. Of course, a console output window and a PDF
pre-viewer are necessary. I see the drag-drop ritual in the tutorial
too few standard, too weird and too much lilypond-specific. That
scares newcomers.

But wait: this has been done. Valentin Villenave dit it once. A bundle
that installed a PDF viewer and a small button panel with all the most
basic operatons. I don't remember if it included a message output.

But wait again: Frescobaldi already does this. It is super-easy to
install on windows and it has got all the necessary items: an editor,
a pre-viewer and a message output panel. Of course it has many, many
more features, but even so it is lightweight (unlike the now almost
defunct jEdit/lilypondtool). Why don't we do a cut-down
Frescobaldi-like shell for the absolute beginner? The File-Open...
menu entry must include a sub-menu with a lot of ready_to_compile
fancy or real-world examples.

Yes, we already promote easier environments, but in my opinion the
bare minimum we offer is too weak as to be useful for all except
mid-high level nerdies.

I always think all you do to lower the entry threshold is never enough
and ours is currently a bit too high. It's not the language, it's the
experience. And never forget Windows users are potentially way more
numerous than command line users.
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Re: A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc)

2013-12-04 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/12/4 SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com:

 I'm confused. There is a Lilypad for Windows. It comes standard w/ the
 LilyPond installation. ?

Yes. But it opens IIRC when you right-click on a ly document, then choose Edit.
This lilypad editor does have a menu entry to compile. So, it is a
sort of shell/editor. I find this path tortuous. People double-click
the lilypond icon, and don't see this shell as many of them could
expect. Instead, ugly things happen. Therefore, lilypond is ugly. I
think this summarizes the start and the end of a newcomer's
experience.

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Re: A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc)

2013-12-04 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/12/4 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:
 For me, I'd say that we should not install Frescobaldi as a pre-requisite of
 running Lily on Windows.  I'm a heavy Windows user, and would not want
 another program installed by default.

But you _already_ have another program installed by default: the
lilypad editor. What I suggest is to replace this by a proper windows
mini-shell with the essential buttons clearly visible. Open Document.
Edit Document. Compile Document. All with Auto PDF view, a selectable
external viewer in the Edit-Preferences menu. And (very important!)
message output console. Not a paragraph in the docs explaining you
have to find a log and read it. This is impossible to be popular.

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Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-04 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/12/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
 The last time this discussion came up, Frescobaldi did not work on
 MacOSX.  And it comes with its own dependencies.  And installers.

Fresco is now in Macports (whatever that means) and I think that means
it is now very easy to install there.
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Re: Treble clef

2013-11-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/11/19 Luca Rossetto Casel luca.rosse...@email.it:
 I can answer: it's a tenorized treble clef. The elements to the right of the
 G clef represent a stylized tenor clef.(...)

Also, don't be surprised if you find a double treble clef, two closely
overlapped g-clef symbols, with the same meaning.

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Re: And now for something completely different.

2013-11-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/11/2 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes:

 David Kastrup writes:

 No, the PostScript is still fine.  But when you ask Ghostscript to
 convert it to anything else, it has its own idea what to convert.

 Nice.  How did you come by this one?

 Accidentally.  The weird thing is that I then tried using the file name
 lines.ly instead.

 Turns out that those are pretty much the only two more or less
 ordinary words afflicted.

Or zeroline.ly , not true ordinary word but a likely filename.
Some filenames make gs crash; expect bug reports on this sooner or later.
A pity tiger.ly does not work

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Percent repeats and polyphony. Bug?

2013-11-01 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello. I bring this from the Spanish list:

{
  \time 2/4
  \repeat percent 3  b'2 \\ b2 
  \repeat percent 3 b2
}

[image attached]

Here, the repeated part which has polyphony lacks one of the percent
symbols. Anyone knows why? Thanks.

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Re: 2.17 documentation

2013-10-18 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/10/18 Gilberto Agostinho gilbertohasn...@gmail.com:
 Hi all,

 I came across the following page of LilyPond's documentation now (
 http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/changes-big-page.html ) and
 its title reads New features in 2.18 since 2.16. I think it was probably
 meant to be 2.17 instead of 2.18, am I right? Unless someone released a
 version 2.18 and is keeping it secret from me :)

2.17 is unstable and will become eventually the next stable release.
Right? The changes page is intended to tell what changes 2.18 has
since 2.16 and it is not finished until 2.18 is a reality. I agree in
that, given 2.18 does not exist, the page actually shows changes of
2.17, but you will also agree in that 2.17 is not recommended for
general adoption, instead of hiding the page until 2.18 comes out, we
show it and leave it prepared to serve as an actual 2.18 page.

Or, we could name it 2.17 since 2.16 to be clearer, and change this
to 2.18 on its release. That would indeed be clearer because the page
is under lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/ .

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Re: Frescobaldi and pdf

2013-10-16 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/10/13 Mario Moles mario-mo...@libero.it:
 Hi!

 I have a strange message on the log:

 lilypond 2.17.25 [Inno ComoeniusOrch.ly] in avvio...

 attenzione: opzione interna sconosciuta: debug-control-points

 attenzione: opzione interna sconosciuta: debug-voices

 Elaborazione di

 and I also have a strange pdf output as in the image attached.

 I do not know what I clicked on in the menus of Frescobaldi: can you help
 me?

I am confused. Your sample shows control points. There currently is
not any occurrence of debug-control-points in our codebase. The
string is also not found in the docs. I also searched the whole
changes history and I cannot find anything.
Google does not find either
site:lilypond.org/doc/v2.17 debug-control-points
or
site:lilypond.org/doc/v2.17  debug control points

What is happening? Here ends my knowledge. Please send me a copy of
the lilypond source file and/or press Ctrl-Shift-M in Frescobaldi and
tell me what's the content of the commandline area at the bottom in
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Re: Testers needed who use Frescobaldi from Git

2013-10-09 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/10/9 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
 I'm working on adding some Git functionality for Frescobaldi.
...
 So anybody using Frescobaldi from its Git repository is kindly asked to test
 this pull request
 https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/pull/223
 and report any issues or success, to me or the comments section on the pull
 request.

I run and install Frescobaldi from git, but I am not an user of
github. How to test the pull request in a console?

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Re: LilyPond 2.16+ on WINE 1.0

2013-05-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/5/8 Silas S. Brown ss...@cam.ac.uk:
 Hi, I'm trying to set up a recent LilyPond on someone's old
 laptop.

Have you tried the recommended installers? Follow the download link in
lilypond.org

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Re: lilypond 2.16.2 soon in Debian?

2013-05-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/26 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com:

 2013/4/24 Don Armstrong d...@donarmstrong.com

 It will be uploaded to unstable once the current testing releases
 (wheezy). Then it will transition to the new testing (jessie), and
 soon after that I'll make an upload to backports.

 Because 2.16 released well after the freeze of wheezy, it won't be
 included in the release.
...

 Anyway, good to know that 2.16 will reach testing and backports quite soon.

Just a note to point out that Ubuntu Raring (released april) comes
with lilypond 2.16

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Re: latex with PNG images using lilypond-book?

2013-04-30 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/30 Julien Rioux jri...@lyx.org:
 On 29/04/2013 12:07 PM, Francisco Vila wrote:

 Hello. I am trying to create an e-book in ePub format from a latex
 document via lilypond-book and pandoc.

 EPubs can not have images in PDF format, so I'd like to prepare a
 latex file with PNG images.

...


 I imagine that PNG images are created for HTML, but what about PNG for
 latex? Does anybody know how to?

 Thank you,


 To accomplish what you want, I think passing your own lilypond flags through
 lilypond-book should work, for example:

 lilypond-book --process='lilypond --formats=png -dbackend=eps' \
 myfile.lytex

In theory yes, but does this make lilypond-book generate a myfile.tex
that includes the PNG images? I think not.
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Re: latex with PNG images using lilypond-book?

2013-04-30 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/30 Julien Rioux jri...@lyx.org:
 On 30/04/2013 5:56 AM, Francisco Vila wrote:

 In theory yes, but does this make lilypond-book generate a myfile.tex
 that includes the PNG images? I think not.


 The generated .tex file does not specify the file extension for the imported
 graphic files, so that it is up to (pdf)latex to pick the preferred format.

It seems both PDF and EPS are generated, so what should I do to force
latex to pick the PNG and not the EPS? For HTML it looks easy: img
src=file.png / does pick the PNG file, but you're right,
\includegraphics{file} lets latex choose. I really, really thought
lilypond-book made this easy. Instead, do I have to manually remove
all EPS files by hand? It doesn't sound good.
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Re: latex with PNG images using lilypond-book?

2013-04-30 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/30 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes:

 2013/4/30 Julien Rioux jri...@lyx.org:
 On 30/04/2013 5:56 AM, Francisco Vila wrote:

 In theory yes, but does this make lilypond-book generate a myfile.tex
 that includes the PNG images? I think not.


 The generated .tex file does not specify the file extension for the
 imported
 graphic files, so that it is up to (pdf)latex to pick the preferred
 format.

 It seems both PDF and EPS are generated, so what should I do to force
 latex to pick the PNG and not the EPS? For HTML it looks easy: img
 src=file.png / does pick the PNG file, but you're right,
 \includegraphics{file} lets latex choose. I really, really thought
 lilypond-book made this easy. Instead, do I have to manually remove
 all EPS files by hand? It doesn't sound good.

 I don't see the problem.  If you call pdflatex, it will not be
 interested in EPS files.  And you stated you did not want to call LaTeX
 anyway, instead using some ebook converter.

True, but I wanted to start from a working latex file with PNG images
in it, before I passed it through the converter. Neither PDF nor EPS
images are allowed in the final ebook, and the converter just converts
whatever I pass to it. My results so far are that the converted file
has no images except what I explicitly insert. And I think I've found
the problem. Two problems, actually.

One is: I had \includes in my initial tests. I managed to flatten the
document, but with tiny documents I did not bother to flatten them.
lilypond-book files have \input commands and therefore they are
flatten-needing.

The second problem is that lilypond-book generates per-system EPS with
names like cf/lily-481ba953-1.eps along with cf/lily-481ba953.eps (no
-1 here) whilst generated PNGs are just like cf/lily-481ba953.png. The
generated latex file tries to include the image with the -1 suffix and
no extension, so there is no matching PNG for that. My converter can
not guess it. And you can not switch freely between latex and pdftalex
for this reason. That, or I am doing it bad.

I use \usepackage{graphicx} and can manually insert PNG images with
.png extension \includegraphics{}, and it works.

Thank you, I'll perform more tests and will post my results.
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Re: change of plans for this final project

2013-04-29 Thread Francisco Vila
El 29/04/2013 14:03, Daniel Rosen drose...@gmail.com escribió:

 I have, but the entire concept of instrument transposition is sort of
confusing to me in the first place, as a singer and pianist. If I had my
way, the entire world of musicians would pick a day where everyone switched
to C-scores and instruments at the same time, like when the UK went metric
literally overnight. :-P

That which would solve a problem for pianists and composers, not so much
for singers, would pose a new big problem for sax, clarinet  etc.
instrumentalists who had to learn how to play (read for) every size again
from scratch. As long as they have scores especially prepared for them,
their lifes are now happier as they are.

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latex with PNG images using lilypond-book?

2013-04-29 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello. I am trying to create an e-book in ePub format from a latex
document via lilypond-book and pandoc.

EPubs can not have images in PDF format, so I'd like to prepare a
latex file with PNG images. We are saying in the manuals (see
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/usage/lilypond_002dbook.html
Running lilypond-book) the following:

  ... The pictures are created separately, yielding PostScript output
or PNG images, and those are included into a LaTeX or HTML document.

and the --pdf option creates PDF images from lilypond snippets for use
with pdflatex. But if I omit the --pdf option, EPS images are created
for inclusion instead. This compiles fine with the latex command and
dvips, but EPS images are not getting into the resulting ePub from
pandoc, either.

I imagine that PNG images are created for HTML, but what about PNG for
latex? Does anybody know how to?

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Re: latex with PNG images using lilypond-book?

2013-04-29 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/30 Kevin Patrick Barry barr...@tcd.ie:
 Dear Francisco,

 I'm not sure I understand what you want; is it that you want to know how to
 include PNG images in a latex document?  The --png option in lilypond will
 produce png images and they can be included in latex using the graphicx
 package and \includegraphics{}.  Is that what you want?

No; sorry if I was unclear.

The lilypond-book tool makes easy to include lilypond music in latex,
texinfo and HTML documents. Whay you write is the music directly into
the latex document, in a \begin{lilypond} ... \end{lilypond} block.
Then, lilypond-book preprocesses this and generates EPS images and
another document which has the EPS files included as images. The
documentation says you can generate PDF images and PNG bitmaps as
well. So far, so good.

The problem is, I know lilypond-book can produce PNG images for HTML,
EPS images for latex, and PDF images for pdflatex, but what I'd like
is to automatically generate PNGs __for latex__ for including via
\includegraphics{} as you said, but (obviously) without losing the
lilypond-book funcionality, which --as we know-- is to include
lilypond music in your document as lilypond code, preprocess it, and
generate another document with the images of music in it.

Thanks. I suspect I am missing something obvious here.
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Re: Extension:Score

2013-04-24 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/24 Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de:
 Carlo Stemberger schrieb:
 Il 23/04/2013 17:49, Klaus Föhl ha scritto:

Hello,

Just snooping around and discovering that this markup:
score\relative c' { f d f a d f e d cis a cis e a g f e }/score
now [works on|has been enabled for] mediawiki i.e. en.wikipedia.org

 Commands like \time or \key seem not to work...

 You need to get the grouping right, using   or { } as appropriate.

 score  { \time 3/4 \key c \minor { \relative c' { f d f a d f e d cis a
 cis e a g f e } } }  /score does work...
 ...I agree, it may take some try-and-error...

Or apply the lilypond logic instead. In this code, a '' and two
'{}' are unnecessary.

score  { \time 3/4 \key c \minor { \relative c' { f d f a d f e d
cis a cis e a g f e } } }  /score

is the same as

score\relative c' { \time 3/4 \key c \minor f d f a d f e d cis a
cis e a g f e }/score

unless you really need to use several nested music expressions.

Although must confess I also use trialerror for constructs I think I
master but I don't.
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Re: some Musikmesse and MusicXML

2013-04-24 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/24 Vaughan McAlley vaug...@mcalley.net.au:
 (As an aside, I’ve lately been learning Tex by publishing my mother’s
 autobiography. The book should look great. If I want to create a
 version for e-readers, it looks like I have to get to ePub via HTML
 format. It seems a shame, because the Tex source probably contains all
 the information one would need to produce a nice e-book)

Maybe this http://www.latex2html.org/ can help, if you can customise
it for your needs.

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Re: some Musikmesse and MusicXML

2013-04-24 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/24 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
It seems a shame, because the Tex source probably contains all
 the information one would need to produce a nice e-book)

 Maybe this http://www.latex2html.org/ can help, if you can customise
 it for your needs.

Also google for latex to epub and many options arise.

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Re: Feta or Emmentaler

2013-04-22 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/22 Andrew Bernard andrew.bern...@gmail.com:
 When one is writing about Lilypond, is the name of the standard font Feta or
 Emmentaler? I am confused because (at v. 2.17.14) Appendix A.8 is titled The
 Feta Font and then proceeds to enumerate the symbols available in the
 Emmentaler font. I note the otf fonts on disk are called emmentaler.

 What is the proper name for the font?

Read these threads and tell me whether it is of any help:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-05/msg00222.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-03/msg00651.html
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Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-14 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/14 Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de:
I think that you have to associate the .ly extension with Lilypad.

 That would seem to be the case. It's the sort of thing I'd expect the
 installation routine to do automatically.

 Yes, indeed.
 Could someone else on Windows check this and send a bug-report if
 appropriate?

Last time I looked at it, on install under Windows, the .ly extension
was associated with the lilypond compiler executable and
double-clicking a document icon made the PDF to appear. It was a very
long time ago and I remember a .log file appeared, also (say, 2.11.x;
Archaeolilypondlogy.).

Whatever. I think this has some logic if you have nothing else but
lilypond installed. New programs you install could associate with
themselves, which has also some logic.
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Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possiblein Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-10 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/9 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:
 I commented in an earlier message that Sibelius, IMHO, produces witheringly
 appalling graphics output.  Unaliased, with stems that attach to noteheads
 poorly.  The image I attached earlier was not scanned, but used Sibelius's
 export to PNG function at nominal 300 dpi.  This is its attempt at 1200 dpi.

It must have been downsampled at some stage. I see stairs at 100% (1:1
to screen)
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Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possiblein Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-10 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/10 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com:
 It must have been downsampled at some stage. I see stairs at 100% (1:1
 to screen)

Hm, probably I should see stairs in either case because pixels of my
screen are bigger than cone cells of my retina, so to speak, but now I
think I see them because the image is pure b/w, i.e. not antialiased.

For inserting lilypond images in slides and the such, I find it enough
to render at 300 or 600 dpi, or around 1000px tall, antialiased, so
that the PDF viewer downsamples it for the output device, and I must
say I am very satisfied.

I used to recommend to always render at your printer resolution,
insert at 100% size, now I'm not so sure.
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Frescobaldi/LilyPond timelapse video

2013-04-10 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello,

I wanted to share this screencast with you. Duration: 1'29'' at 25x speed.

http://lilypond.es/lilypond/timelapse-screencast/timelapse-aquaplane.webm
also available as
http://lilypond.es/lilypond/timelapse-screencast/timelapse-aquaplane.mp4

It shows trial and error, browsing manuals, pauses for lunch and more.

The webm version plays directly on Firefox when dragdrop from file
manager in my system.

It is a full-screen capture at 1024x600. I used the following console
commands in an Acer Aspire One under Debian Wheezy:

#mkdir png

# save X11 screen @1fps to Ogg Theora; stop with Ctrl+C
avconv -f x11grab -r 1 -s 1024x600 -i :0.0 out.ogv

# convert to png images
ffmpeg -i out.ogv -r 1 -f image2 png/frame%05d.png

# Optionally at this point, delete unwanted png's and rename all numerically.

# convert images to video @25fps
ffmpeg -r 25 -i png/frame%05d.png -r 25 timelapse.mp4

# same for webm VP8
ffmpeg -r 25 -i png/frame%05d.png -vcodec libvpx -r 25 -b1k timelapse.webm

There is much room for improving, so suggestions are appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Kind of title beetween staves

2013-04-01 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/4/1 Eluze elu...@gmail.com:
 Alberto Simões-2 wrote
 Hello

 Although I can add manually text binding it to a note with
 ^\markup{...}, how can I add an annotation to be placed exactly in the
 center of the page, between two staves?

 The manual refers a Separate Text, but it is placed between scores,
 and I would like to keep the score (it is the same music, just a note).

The regression test ‘context-mod-with.ly’ in
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/input/regression/collated-files.html
uses a nice trick to put titles to staves using different
\mark\markup{} . I found it useful for labeling staves.

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