Re: Previous version of Lilypond found

[Joshua Nichols]

I have found the problem: Windows was hiding a version of Lilypond in the
program files. I deleted that and was able to install the program.

All Best,
Joshua Nichols


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 10:00 AM Joshua Nichols 
wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I went to install 2.19 on my Windows 10 machine, but it said it found a
> previous version of lilypond. This was okay, as I installed it, but I
> continued to get the same error message. I then tried restarting my
> machine, ran the installer, and the it said that a previous version was
> found. How can I install it?
>
> All Best,
> Joshua Nichols
>

Previous version of Lilypond found

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello all!

I went to install 2.19 on my Windows 10 machine, but it said it found a
previous version of lilypond. This was okay, as I installed it, but I
continued to get the same error message. I then tried restarting my
machine, ran the installer, and the it said that a previous version was
found. How can I install it?

All Best,
Joshua Nichols

Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts

[Joshua Nichols]

I just found it in Frescobaldi. This is what is displayed:

Garamond Premr Pro Disp

So! That means that the best method is to display the fonts and find their
naming using a search function. I managed to get it to work! Thanks for the
lead!
--
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On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 1:17 PM Abraham Lee 
wrote:

> Hey!
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM Joshua Nichols 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in MacOS. I completely forgot about that function. How do I check
>> that?
>> --
>> Josh
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:52 PM Abraham Lee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Josh!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM Joshua Nichols 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 22:12:52 -0400
>>>>> From: Ben 
>>>>> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts
>>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/2/2018 9:50 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
>>>>> > I guess it would be helpful that when I try to call:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     \override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display")
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I cannot get the override, and thus the font reverts to sans. I have
>>>>> > the font installed on my system, so I know it's not an issue of the
>>>>> > font being installed. Perhaps this helps.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Josh
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:40 PM Joshua Nichols
>>>>> > mailto:josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hello all!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am trying to use different variants of Garamond Premier,
>>>>> > especially the Display weight and Narrow Widths. at any moment's
>>>>> > notice. I seem to be able to do it for some of them, but not
>>>>> > others. In particular, I'll use the narrow variant of Minion Pro
>>>>> > for lyrics by calling:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > \override LyricFont.font-name = "Minion Pro Cond"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > in \layout{}. But, when I want to change just a single instance
>>>>> of
>>>>> > the font in, let's say, a \markup{}, I can't find a way to do it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm sure I'll eat my shoe, but I'd appreciate the help here.
>>>>> Thank
>>>>> > you in advance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Josh
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> You could use this technique perhaps...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/change-the-font-for-all-markups-td171730.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends I guess on how you setup your document fonts and how many
>>>>> markups you are wishing to change (all/one)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The problem I am still having is getting pango or lilypond to recognize
>>>> the variant widths and weights of these pro line fonts. as soon as I use
>>>> \override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display") nothing happens.
>>>> It reverts to sans.
>>>>
>>>> Does this help clarify? So it's still not working. :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> What OS are you on? I know it’s a bit overwhelming, but have you checked
>>> to see what font names show up with the show-available-fonts option? This
>>> may help narrow down why it can’t be found by Pango. With as complex as the
>>> Garamond Pro family is, it’s possible that Pango isn’t parsing the font
>>> metadata correctly (or maybe the metadata itself isn’t formed correctly) to
>>> identify that specific variant.
>>>
>>
> I’m not at a computer to confirm the exact syntax, but it’s a command line
> option “-dshow-available-fonts”. If you’re using Frescobaldi, there’s a
> menu option for it under “Tools” I think.
>
> Best,
> Abraham
>
>>
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Re:Using various weights and widths of fonts

[Joshua Nichols]

>
>
> On 11/3/2018 12:31 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 22:12:52 -0400
> > From: Ben  > <mailto:soundsfromso...@gmail.com>>
> > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org <mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org>
> > Subject: Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts
> > Message-ID:  > <mailto:cb400bb1-f626-c328-2c00-3b244658b...@gmail.com>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> >
> > On 11/2/2018 9:50 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
> > > I guess it would be helpful that when I try to call:
> > >
> > >? ? ?\override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display")
> > >
> > >
> > > I cannot get the override, and thus the font reverts to sans. I
> > have
> > > the font installed on my system, so I know it's not an issue of the
> > > font being installed. Perhaps this helps.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Josh
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:40 PM Joshua Nichols
> > > mailto:josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >? ? ?Hello all!
> > >
> > >? ? ?I am trying to use different variants of Garamond Premier,
> > >? ? ?especially the Display weight and Narrow Widths. at any
> moment's
> > >? ? ?notice. I seem to be able to do it for some of them, but not
> > >? ? ?others. In particular, I'll use the narrow variant of Minion
> Pro
> > >? ? ?for lyrics by calling:
> > >
> > >? ? ? ? ?\override LyricFont.font-name = "Minion Pro Cond"
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?in \layout{}. But, when I want to change just a single
> > instance of
> > >? ? ?the font in, let's say, a \markup{}, I can't find a way to
> > do it.
> > >
> > >? ? ?I'm sure I'll eat my shoe, but I'd appreciate the help here.
> > Thank
> > >? ? ?you in advance.
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?--
> > >? ? ?Josh
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You could use this technique perhaps...
> >
> >
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/change-the-font-for-all-markups-td171730.html
> >
> > Depends I guess on how you setup your document fonts and how many
> > markups you are wishing to change (all/one)...
> >
> > Does this help?
> >
> >
> > The problem I am still having is getting pango or lilypond to
> > recognize the variant widths and weights of these pro line fonts. as
> > soon as I use \override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display")
> > nothing happens. It reverts to sans.
> >
> > Does this help clarify? So it's still not working. :(
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Make sure you have the font exactly correct, otherwise it defaults back
> to sans :) Sometimes fonts are installed have names slightly different
> than you'd expect them to have (as far as what the system 'sees'.)
>
> Also, did you try the markup overrides I put in my later emails? It
> should work as long as you have the font 100% correct named :)
>
> {
>  ?c1^\markup {? \override #'(font-name . "Minion Pro") "hello" } c
> c^\markup {? \override #'(font-name . "InformalRoman") "hello" }
> c c^\markup {? \override #'(font-name . "Raleway") "hello" } c
> }
>

I must be missing something in the naming scheme. I've tried every variant,
such as "Garamond Premier Pro Disp", "Garamond Premier Pro Display",
"Garamond Premier Pro-Display", "Garamond Premier Pro-Disp",
"GaramondPremrProDisp" etc... still nothing. :(
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Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm in MacOS. I completely forgot about that function. How do I check that?
--
Josh


On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:52 PM Abraham Lee 
wrote:

> Hi, Josh!
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM Joshua Nichols 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 22:12:52 -0400
>>> From: Ben 
>>> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>>> Subject: Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>>
>>> On 11/2/2018 9:50 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
>>> > I guess it would be helpful that when I try to call:
>>> >
>>> > \override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display")
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I cannot get the override, and thus the font reverts to sans. I have
>>> > the font installed on my system, so I know it's not an issue of the
>>> > font being installed. Perhaps this helps.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Josh
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:40 PM Joshua Nichols
>>> > mailto:josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello all!
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to use different variants of Garamond Premier,
>>> > especially the Display weight and Narrow Widths. at any moment's
>>> > notice. I seem to be able to do it for some of them, but not
>>> > others. In particular, I'll use the narrow variant of Minion Pro
>>> > for lyrics by calling:
>>> >
>>> > \override LyricFont.font-name = "Minion Pro Cond"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > in \layout{}. But, when I want to change just a single instance of
>>> > the font in, let's say, a \markup{}, I can't find a way to do it.
>>> >
>>> > I'm sure I'll eat my shoe, but I'd appreciate the help here. Thank
>>> > you in advance.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Josh
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> You could use this technique perhaps...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/change-the-font-for-all-markups-td171730.html
>>>
>>> Depends I guess on how you setup your document fonts and how many
>>> markups you are wishing to change (all/one)...
>>>
>>> Does this help?
>>>
>>>
>> The problem I am still having is getting pango or lilypond to recognize
>> the variant widths and weights of these pro line fonts. as soon as I use
>> \override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display") nothing happens.
>> It reverts to sans.
>>
>> Does this help clarify? So it's still not working. :(
>>
>
> What OS are you on? I know it’s a bit overwhelming, but have you checked
> to see what font names show up with the show-available-fonts option? This
> may help narrow down why it can’t be found by Pango. With as complex as the
> Garamond Pro family is, it’s possible that Pango isn’t parsing the font
> metadata correctly (or maybe the metadata itself isn’t formed correctly) to
> identify that specific variant.
>
> Best,
> Abraham
>
>>
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Re:Using various weights and widths of fonts

[Joshua Nichols]

>
>
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 22:12:52 -0400
> From: Ben 
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> On 11/2/2018 9:50 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
> > I guess it would be helpful that when I try to call:
> >
> > \override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display")
> >
> >
> > I cannot get the override, and thus the font reverts to sans. I have
> > the font installed on my system, so I know it's not an issue of the
> > font being installed. Perhaps this helps.
> >
> > --
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:40 PM Joshua Nichols
> > mailto:josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > I am trying to use different variants of Garamond Premier,
> > especially the Display weight and Narrow Widths. at any moment's
> > notice. I seem to be able to do it for some of them, but not
> > others. In particular, I'll use the narrow variant of Minion Pro
> > for lyrics by calling:
> >
> > \override LyricFont.font-name = "Minion Pro Cond"
> >
> >
> > in \layout{}. But, when I want to change just a single instance of
> > the font in, let's say, a \markup{}, I can't find a way to do it.
> >
> > I'm sure I'll eat my shoe, but I'd appreciate the help here. Thank
> > you in advance.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Josh
> >
> >
>
> You could use this technique perhaps...
>
>
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/change-the-font-for-all-markups-td171730.html
>
> Depends I guess on how you setup your document fonts and how many
> markups you are wishing to change (all/one)...
>
> Does this help?
>
>
The problem I am still having is getting pango or lilypond to recognize the
variant widths and weights of these pro line fonts. as soon as I use
\override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display") nothing happens.
It reverts to sans.

Does this help clarify? So it's still not working. :(
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Re: Using various weights and widths of fonts

[Joshua Nichols]

I guess it would be helpful that when I try to call:

\override #'(font-name . "Garamond Premier Pro Display")


I cannot get the override, and thus the font reverts to sans. I have the
font installed on my system, so I know it's not an issue of the font being
installed. Perhaps this helps.

--
Josh


On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:40 PM Joshua Nichols 
wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I am trying to use different variants of Garamond Premier, especially the
> Display weight and Narrow Widths. at any moment's notice. I seem to be able
> to do it for some of them, but not others. In particular, I'll use the
> narrow variant of Minion Pro for lyrics by calling:
>
> \override LyricFont.font-name = "Minion Pro Cond"
>
>
> in \layout{}. But, when I want to change just a single instance of the
> font in, let's say, a \markup{}, I can't find a way to do it.
>
> I'm sure I'll eat my shoe, but I'd appreciate the help here. Thank you in
> advance.
>
>
> --
> Josh
>
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Using various weights and widths of fonts

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello all!

I am trying to use different variants of Garamond Premier, especially the
Display weight and Narrow Widths. at any moment's notice. I seem to be able
to do it for some of them, but not others. In particular, I'll use the
narrow variant of Minion Pro for lyrics by calling:

\override LyricFont.font-name = "Minion Pro Cond"


in \layout{}. But, when I want to change just a single instance of the font
in, let's say, a \markup{}, I can't find a way to do it.

I'm sure I'll eat my shoe, but I'd appreciate the help here. Thank you in
advance.


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Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

Hi David,

I'll look into GraphicsMagick.

Thanks!

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 12:22 AM, David Wright 
wrote:

> On Fri 22 Jun 2018 at 13:15:36 (-0400), Joshua Nichols wrote:
> > I think you miss it because the functionality is within Frescobaldi
> itself.
> > It's run in the preview, and it allows me to customize aliasing,
> > resolution, etc, and it captures to png, as Ben pointed out.
> >
> > Any form of screen capture would be insufficient.
>
> Yes, I see what you're doing now. The "scrot" method is what I would
> use to produce the image that Ben posted, whereas you are lacking the
> functionality illustrated within that image: ie capture of the blue
> rectangle.
>
> > Frescobaldi also allows you to automatically crop the image to the
> > boundaries of the music, which is primarily why I use it.
>
> Would this imply that you normally capture the entire music, surrounded
> by white margins? Is it unsuitable to run LP so that it produces a
> PNG file (rather than PDF) with   --png -dresolution=1200
> (or whatever value is appropriate)?
>
> Programs like GraphicsMagick can crop a PNG image; GM's terminology
> for cropping in this manner is "trim", ie "removes any edges that are
> exactly the same color as the corner pixels."
>
> Aside: I don't know what your workflow is, but with PNG files (which
> are rasters) you have to worry about resolution, whereas with a PDF
> file workflow, the images are vectors and remain sharp regardless of
> the magnification. There are programs like pdfcrop that crop/trim
> PDFs in the same manner.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
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Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

I know how to work around, that's what I've been doing. I'm trying to
regain functionality because I'm working through hundreds of examples and
to crop and custom size every single one of these is going to be a big task
(3x the work).

Do you have any advice otherwise? How can I get my hands on 3.0? Or what
about a different reinstall process?

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 13:36 Ben  wrote:

> On 6/22/2018 1:16 PM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
>
> Ben, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Using the auto-crop feature
> is so useful when including pictures in scholarly works, etc. That's
> actually what I was working on before it crashed.
>
> > I think the system-style approach should work as a workaround like you
> said, yes.
>
> ​I don't follow.​
>
>
> --
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Ben  wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2018 12:42 PM, David Wright wrote:
>>
>> On Fri 22 Jun 2018 at 11:38:35 (-0400), Joshua Nichols wrote:
>>
>> I have tried to install 3.0 but I cannot self-compile from the source (I am
>> not capable of doing that). I also have very limited resources to install
>> from a place like MacPorts.
>>
>> Have any other ideas?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "PNG capture", whether it's PNG
>> generation from LP using --png, or screen capture using the
>> Mac equivalent of scrot, or something else entirely (I don't
>> use Fresco).
>>
>> Would the scrot-style approach be a suitable workaround?
>> (I don't know whether MacOS is sufficiently unix-like to
>> actually run scrot.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
> I'm not an OSX person, but isn't there a feature where you can just take a
> screenshot of the display from within the system itself? I'd be surprised
> if that didn't exist. (think: printscreen /
> https://www.itg.ias.edu/content/keyboard-shortcuts-capture-screen-shot-mac-os-x
> )
>
> Once you had that screenshot, you could at least use a software to crop,
> annotate, etc. - as a workaround right?
>
> i..e on Windows, Irfanview, Greenshot, etc.
>
>
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Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

Ben, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Using the auto-crop feature is
so useful when including pictures in scholarly works, etc. That's actually
what I was working on before it crashed.

> I think the system-style approach should work as a workaround like you
said, yes.

​I don't follow.​


--
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Ben  wrote:

> On 6/22/2018 12:42 PM, David Wright wrote:
>
> On Fri 22 Jun 2018 at 11:38:35 (-0400), Joshua Nichols wrote:
>
> I have tried to install 3.0 but I cannot self-compile from the source (I am
> not capable of doing that). I also have very limited resources to install
> from a place like MacPorts.
>
> Have any other ideas?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "PNG capture", whether it's PNG
> generation from LP using --png, or screen capture using the
> Mac equivalent of scrot, or something else entirely (I don't
> use Fresco).
>
> Would the scrot-style approach be a suitable workaround?
> (I don't know whether MacOS is sufficiently unix-like to
> actually run scrot.)
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>
> David,
>
> I thought he was talking about the function within Frescobaldi, which is
> just a simple right click drag type screenshot:
> (see attached)
>
> I think the system-style approach should work as a workaround like you
> said, yes.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

I think you miss it because the functionality is within Frescobaldi itself.
It's run in the preview, and it allows me to customize aliasing,
resolution, etc, and it captures to png, as Ben pointed out.

Any form of screen capture would be insufficient.

Frescobaldi also allows you to automatically crop the image to the
boundaries of the music, which is primarily why I use it.

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:42 PM, David Wright 
wrote:

> On Fri 22 Jun 2018 at 11:38:35 (-0400), Joshua Nichols wrote:
> > I have tried to install 3.0 but I cannot self-compile from the source (I
> am
> > not capable of doing that). I also have very limited resources to install
> > from a place like MacPorts.
> >
> > Have any other ideas?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "PNG capture", whether it's PNG
> generation from LP using --png, or screen capture using the
> Mac equivalent of scrot, or something else entirely (I don't
> use Fresco).
>
> Would the scrot-style approach be a suitable workaround?
> (I don't know whether MacOS is sufficiently unix-like to
> actually run scrot.)
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
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Re:Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

I have tried to install 3.0 but I cannot self-compile from the source (I am
not capable of doing that). I also have very limited resources to install
from a place like MacPorts.

Have any other ideas?

--
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:52:12 -0400
> From: Ben 
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5
> Message-ID: <1efe7d36-d585-a734-43ca-ca06ac0a3...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> On 6/21/2018 11:36 AM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
> > The most current version: Frescobaldi 2.20.0
> >
> > --
> > Josh
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 09:36:05 +1000
> > From: Andrew Bernard  > <mailto:andrew.bern...@gmail.com>>
> > To: lilypond-user Mailinglist  > <mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org>>
> > Subject: Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5
> > Message-ID:
> > ? ? ? ?
> >  > <mailto:CAK5QfnWB9qL986H63uUGePht%2B123LpGpjHdi%
> 2be54dcq5ldz...@mail.gmail.com>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Apologies - your subject has the Mac OS version. Missed that in my
> > haste.
> >
> > What version of Frescobaldi?
> >
> > Andrew
> > -- next part --
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> >
>
> The most current stable concurrently is also v3.0 - have you tried that?
> Maybe that could help...?
> (I'm not on OSX)
>
> https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/releases
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Re:Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

The most current version: Frescobaldi 2.20.0

--
Josh

>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 09:36:05 +1000
> From: Andrew Bernard 
> To: lilypond-user Mailinglist 
> Subject: Re: Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5
> Message-ID:
>  mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Apologies - your subject has the Mac OS version. Missed that in my haste.
>
> What version of Frescobaldi?
>
> Andrew
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Cannot PNG capture with Frescobaldi macOS 10.13.5

[Joshua Nichols]

I have tried to use the PNG capture feature in the viewer on Frescobaldi
and it will no longer work. It was working literally one moment before. Any
ideas what to do? I did a fresh install of Frescobaldi before pasting the
error below.

Traceback (most recent call last):
> File
> "/Applications/Frescobaldi.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python3.5/frescobaldi_app/musicview/__init__.py",
> line 312, in copyImage
> File
> "/Applications/Frescobaldi.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python3.5/frescobaldi_app/copy2image.py",
> line 57, in copy_image
> File
> "/Applications/Frescobaldi.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python3.5/frescobaldi_app/copy2image.py",
> line 108, in __init__
> File
> "/Applications/Frescobaldi.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python3.5/frescobaldi_app/copy2image.py",
> line 150, in readSettings
> TypeError: unable to convert a QVariant of type 10 to a QMetaType of type
> 67


Any ideas? Thanks!

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Re: Re[2]: Re-direct write processes in Frescobaldi?

[Joshua Nichols]

I could conceive of a designer that would do that (solder things to the
motherboard) to increase the likelihood of planned obsolescence in a
device. But, this is only if the parts that are being used are actually
designed that way: and thus cheaply built machines have a higher rate
of obsolescence... Hence my hesitation.

Thank you for your feedback!

--
Josh

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Brian Barker <b.m.bar...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> At 17:30 18/02/2018 -0500, Joshua Nichols wrote:
>
>> I really need this SSD to last a long time, though, as the SSD is
>> soldered directly to the motherboard.
>>
>
> My guess would be that this is the most significant evidence so far.
> Soldering something to the motherboard is good engineering design for a
> component that is likely to outlast the computer itself, but not for
> something that is likely to need replacement during its life. The system's
> designer evidently had more confidence than you.
>
> Brian Barker
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Re: Re[2]: Re-direct write processes in Frescobaldi?

[Joshua Nichols]

Thank you, I already save all of my data to a separate drive, so everything
that goes on the SSD is trivial and retrievable (such as purchased apps,
etc). I really need this SSD to last a long time, though, as the SSD is
soldered directly to the motherboard... This would mean an expensive
replacement of a computer I've spent a lot of money on.

--
Josh

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 4:11 AM, Trevor  wrote:

>
> Andrew Bernard wrote on 17/02/2018 08:40:12
>
> Myths about SSD's arise from early days. You have a new computer with
> presumably a current SSD. Such SSD's can sustain petabyte (that's petabyte)
> writes before they fail. If you write a terabyte of Frescobaldi data to the
> disk in a year, which is utterly unreasonable, you can expect to get 1000
> years use out of it. The electronics in your computer will fail sometime in
> that period. :-) There are admittedly other factors relating to hard drive
> failure, but mechanical drives suffer the same factors.
>
> I wish people would relax about this topic or read the extensive
> literature on contemporary drive testing,
>
> Here's a five paragraph summary article on this type of testing:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/worried-about-ssd-wear-you-
> probably-dont-need-to-be/
>
> There also exist many very learned papers on the same topic, showing very
> high endurance figures for consumer SSD's.
>
> In spite of this my Samsung SSD has started to fail after around 4 years
> fairly intensive use in my main laptop, fortunately just a month after I
> invested in a new laptop (complete with SSD).  When the old SSD warms up,
> after little more than 15 mins use, it fails and causes my laptop to
> crash.  I know it's the SSD as it has the same effect on two laptops which
> are both fine with HDDs.  Of course it could be the electronics in the SSD
> rather than the store itself, but the effect is much the same.
> Nevertheless the benefits far outweigh the dangers - just make sure you
> make frequent backups of anything critical, just as you would with any
> other type of drive.
>
> Trevor
>
>
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Re: Re-direct write processes in Frescobaldi?

[Joshua Nichols]

The reason I asked was not because I didn't know this, but because an
article said "under normal use, SSDs will last longer than the computer
themselves." I don't know if constantly saving, writing, and compiling
lilypond files with temporary files saved in Frescobaldi would be
considered "beyond normal use." I appreciate your explanation of this.

I'm not trying to baby my computer; I'm only trying to be considerate of
any limitations there might be for an SSD currently.

--
Josh

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:40 AM, Andrew Bernard 
wrote:

> Hi Joshua,
>
> Myths about SSD's arise from early days. You have a new computer with
> presumably a current SSD. Such SSD's can sustain petabyte (that's petabyte)
> writes before they fail. If you write a terabyte of Frescobaldi data to the
> disk in a year, which is utterly unreasonable, you can expect to get 1000
> years use out of it. The electronics in your computer will fail sometime in
> that period. :-) There are admittedly other factors relating to hard drive
> failure, but mechanical drives suffer the same factors.
>
> I wish people would relax about this topic or read the extensive
> literature on contemporary drive testing,
>
> Here's a five paragraph summary article on this type of testing:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/worried-about-ssd-wear-you-
> probably-dont-need-to-be/
>
> There also exist many very learned papers on the same topic, showing very
> high endurance figures for consumer SSD's.
>
> Andrew
>
>
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Re-direct write processes in Frescobaldi?

[Joshua Nichols]

Does anyone have any experience re-directing the writing and temporary
files created with Frescobaldi? I just received a new computer and it
contains an embedded SSD, and I don't want to wear it out prematurely from
constant writing of the drive.

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Re: Generate Random Pitches and Accidentals?

[Joshua Nichols]

David,

This looks fantastic. I'll play with it. Thank you so much!

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On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 6:19 PM, David Nalesnik <david.nales...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Joshua Nichols <josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi! This is for education!
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2018 3:08 PM, "Karlin High" <karlinh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/8/2018 11:44 AM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for a resource that can generate pitches at different
> >>> octaves, using different spellings, including accidentals.
> >>
> >>
> >> How will this be used? As an educational tool, perhaps? Describing the
> use
> >> case might get better help.
> >> --
> >> Karlin High
> >> Missouri, USA
>
> Here is a worksheet I created with answers and different pitch content
> every time you run it.  Perhaps you will find something useful in it.
>
> (Note: if you're running a development version, you can cut out the
> definition of the table command.  I included it so I could run
> this--and many other "auto" worksheets--using lilybin.
>
> Hope this helps,
> David
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Re: Generate Random Pitches and Accidentals?

[Joshua Nichols]

Unfortunately it does not, and I don't know SCHEME well enough to know what
to do, or even start.

On Jan 8, 2018 5:55 PM, "Thomas Morley" <thomasmorle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2018-01-08 18:44 GMT+01:00 Joshua Nichols <josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>:
> > I'm looking for a resource that can generate pitches at different
> octaves,
> > using different spellings, including accidentals.
> >
> > Has someone already implemented this? I'm trying not to reinvent the
> wheel.
> >
> > --
> > Josh
>
>
> http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=274
> already fits your needs?
>
> Cheers,
>   Harm
>
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Re: Generate Random Pitches and Accidentals?

[Joshua Nichols]

Hi! This is for education!

On Jan 8, 2018 3:08 PM, "Karlin High" <karlinh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/8/2018 11:44 AM, Joshua Nichols wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a resource that can generate pitches at different
>> octaves, using different spellings, including accidentals.
>>
>
> How will this be used? As an educational tool, perhaps? Describing the use
> case might get better help.
> --
> Karlin High
> Missouri, USA
>
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Generate Random Pitches and Accidentals?

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm looking for a resource that can generate pitches at different octaves,
using different spellings, including accidentals.

Has someone already implemented this? I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel.

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Re: print rehearsal marks in multiple parts

[Joshua Nichols]

Kieren,

I felt a little intimidated by the significant snippet you were probably
thinking of. But, Hwaen provided a sufficient hack for my small ensemble
music. :) Thanks! I'll look into that other hack when I feel a little less
intimidated. :/

--
Josh

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Kieren MacMillan <
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Hi Joshua,
>
> > How can I force Lilypond do print tempo marks in multiple places? e.g.
> at the top of the vocal section and at the top of the keyboard
> accompaniment.
>
> Search the archives and LSR for "ScoreMarks" and/or "MarkLine" — you'll
> find lots of hints and templates.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Kieren.
> 
>
> Kieren MacMillan, composer
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
>
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Re: print rehearsal marks in multiple parts

[Joshua Nichols]

Thank you Hwaen: This was exactly what I was looking for!

--
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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Hwaen Ch'uqi <hwaench...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings Josh,
>
> In your \layout block, include this to allow you more flexibility with
> your tempo and rehearsal markings:
>
> \context {
>   \Score
>   \remove Metronome_mark_engraver
>   \remove Mark_engraver
> }
>
> Then, in the approriate staves, include this block
>
> \new Staff \with {
>   \consists "Metronome_mark_engraver"
>   \consists "Mark_engraver"
>     }
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Hwaen Ch'uqi
>
>
> On 7/14/17, Joshua Nichols <josh.d.nich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Elaine Gould recommends that rehearsal and tempo marks be printed in
> > multiple places in addition to the top of the systems.
> >
> > How can I force Lilypond do print tempo marks in multiple places? e.g. at
> > the top of the vocal section and at the top of the keyboard
> accompaniment.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Josh
> >
>
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print rehearsal marks in multiple parts

[Joshua Nichols]

Elaine Gould recommends that rehearsal and tempo marks be printed in
multiple places in addition to the top of the systems.

How can I force Lilypond do print tempo marks in multiple places? e.g. at
the top of the vocal section and at the top of the keyboard accompaniment.

Thanks!
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Changing Page Size in the middle of bookpart?

[Joshua Nichols]

Can it be done? I've tried it in a straight forward manner, but the music
always runs off the page.

​Sincerely,

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Why doesn't h-shift work in monophonic textures?

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm trying to shift a note one place to either direction using the
following:

\once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #1

In monophonic texures. However, It doesn't work/compile.

Why is this so? What is the solution?

forceHShift = { \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #40 }

\relative c' {
  c d e \forceHShift f g f e d c
}

​Sincerely,

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Re: Changing basic distance between stanzas

[Joshua Nichols]

>
> 2.18 already allows for the neater dot-separated list syntax:
>

Thank you.


IX,

Josh

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Simon Albrecht 
wrote:

> On 17.08.2016 04:06, David Nalesnik wrote:
>
>> \override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing =
>> #'((basic-distance . 5))
>>
>
> 2.18 already allows for the neater dot-separated list syntax:
> \override VerticalAxisGroup.non-staff-nonstaff-spacing =
> #'((basic-distance . 5))
>
> See also  ing-alists>.
>
> Best, Simon
>
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Re: Changing basic distance between stanzas

[Joshua Nichols]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:06 PM, David Nalesnik 
wrote:

> \layout {
>   \context {
> \Lyrics
>   \override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing =
> #'((basic-distance . 5))
>   }
>   }
>

​That worked very well! Thanks!

Can anyone comment on why \override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent =
#'(-5 . 40) didn't work?​



IX,

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Re: Changing basic distance between stanzas

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks, I did look into this, and instead of a warning, I get no change.

See below for what I used.

\version "2.18.2"

notesA = {
  c'
}

vOne = \lyricmode {
  a
}

vTwo = \lyricmode {
  b
}

\score {
  <<
\new Voice = "mel" { \notesA }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" { \vOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" { \vTwo }


  >>
  \layout {
  \context {
\Lyrics
  \override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-5 . 40)
  }
  }
}


IX,

Josh

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:56 PM, David Nalesnik <david.nales...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Joshua Nichols
> <josh.d.nich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am looking for a tweak to decrease or increase the vertical distance
> > between multiple stanzas.
> >
> > I found this online (not in the manual):
> >
> > \context {
> > \Lyrics
> > minimumVerticalExtent = #'(0 . 0)
> >   }
> >
> > But, when I compile (with any number in the variable) I get this message:
> >
> > warning: cannot find property type-check for `minimumVerticalExtent'
> > (translation-type?). perhaps a typing error?
> >
> > warning: skipping assignment
> >
>
> I think what you found online applies to any extremely old version of
> LilyPond.  I find this thread:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2005-11/msg00119.html
> which may be of help.  (I haven't tried it to see if the solution
> therein is still current.)
>
> David
>
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Changing basic distance between stanzas

[Joshua Nichols]

I am looking for a tweak to decrease or increase the vertical distance
between multiple stanzas.

I found this online (not in the manual):

\context {
\Lyrics
minimumVerticalExtent = #'(0 . 0)
  }

​But, when I compile (with any number in the variable) I get this message:

warning: cannot find property type-check for `minimumVerticalExtent'
(translation-type?). perhaps a typing error?

warning: skipping assignment


Here is an example:


\version "2.18.2"

notesA = {
  c'
}

vOne = \lyricmode {
  a
}

vTwo = \lyricmode {
  b
}

\score {
  <<
\new Voice = "mel" { \notesA }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" { \vOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" { \vTwo }


  >>
  \layout {
  \context {
  \Lyrics
  minimumVerticalExtent = #'(0 . 0)
  }
}
}


Help?


​Sincerely,

Josh
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Re: Trouble with EPS backend output use

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm on Macintosh.

Perhaps you misunderstand me: I do not have issues viewing or editing any
other EPS file on my system except for the ones created by LilyPond.


IX,

Josh

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Kevin Barry <barr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joshua,
>
> What operating system are you on? On Linux the default PDF viewer is
> usually evince, which can view EPS files. On windows you may have to
> install a program to view them, such as ghostscript/ghostview.
>
> If you use pdflatex I think you need to load an extra package (graphicx
> maybe?) in order to embed EPS files.
>
> Kevin
> On 13 Jul 2016 4:46 a.m., "Joshua Nichols" <josh.d.nich...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I'm having issues embedding EPS files produced in the back end feature in
>> 2.18.x.
>>
>> Whenever I create it, I cannot adequately open it in, lets say,
>> illustrator, or another vector editor, nor can I embed it in a pages or
>> lyx/latex file without getting errors about the file type.
>>
>> I once could get it to inkscape, but it it couldn't produce the note
>> heads and various other vector fonts which I assumed were embedded in the
>> file.
>>
>> I work mainly with Frescobaldi on the front end.
>>
>> Help?
>>
>> ​Sincerely,
>>
>> Josh
>>
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Trouble with EPS backend output use

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello List,

I'm having issues embedding EPS files produced in the back end feature in
2.18.x.

Whenever I create it, I cannot adequately open it in, lets say,
illustrator, or another vector editor, nor can I embed it in a pages or
lyx/latex file without getting errors about the file type.

I once could get it to inkscape, but it it couldn't produce the note heads
and various other vector fonts which I assumed were embedded in the file.

I work mainly with Frescobaldi on the front end.

Help?

​Sincerely,

Josh
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Re: hairpin length

[Joshua Nichols]

​> ​
The only way I know is to use a dynamics context and vary the length of the
spacer rests the occur between the start and end of the hairpin.

​Thanks.​
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Re: hairpin length

[Joshua Nichols]

 > For the opening height:
> ​>​
>  \override Hairpin.height = 2
>
> ​This is great...
>
> > For the length if it?s too short by default:
> > \override Hairpin.minimum-length = 10​
>
> This not the answer I'm looking for. This also changes the length of the
> hairpin and spacing inside the measure. I want to manually adjust the
> hairpin without changing the note spacing. Do you know what I mean now?

​> ​
Not really. If the hairpin is made longer while the note spacings
​> ​
remain the same, then it will either start earlier in the music or
​> ​
finish later. In which case, don't you just need to attach the \< or
​> ​
\> to an earlier moment or the \! to a later moment. This may require
​>​
spacers if it's qualifying, say, a sustained note.

​I would like to define the specific points where the hairpin ends and
begins. "minimum-length" does not allow me to shorten it or lengthen it
without changing the note spacing. Is there a way, kind of like with slurs
and ties, to define the exact placement of the beginning and end of the
hairpin?​
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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 163, Issue 29

[Joshua Nichols]

​> ​
For the opening height:
​>​
 \override Hairpin.height = 2

​This is great...

> For the length if it?s too short by default:
> \override Hairpin.minimum-length = 10​

This not the answer I'm looking for. This also changes the length of the
hairpin and spacing inside the measure. I want to manually adjust the
hairpin without changing the note spacing. Do you know what I mean now?

Thanks,

Josh
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Adjust the manual length or position of hairpins?

[Joshua Nichols]

I've looked all over the notation reference and I can't seem to find a
specific application for adjusting the length of a hairpin manually, or to
what degree it opens.

Anyone know where I can find it or can elaborate? Thanks!

Sincerely​
,

Josh
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Re: Ties across different voices?

[Joshua Nichols]

​>​
From: Andrew Bernard 
​>​
To: lilypond-user 
​>​
Subject: Re: Ties across different voices?
​>​
Message-ID:

​>​
  

Ties across different voices?

[Joshua Nichols]

I've run into the need to do this, and I can't quite figure out how to make
it happen. Please see the attached image.

Basically, for those who can't load it, I want to create a tie from a
"chord" into a "new voice." It's fairly common in classical literature, but
I am wondering if this is possible even, or yet.

Thanks!

​Sincerely,

Josh
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Re: verbose markups?

[Joshua Nichols]

>
> 2. \markup { \normal-text "I'm not bold" }
>

This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

Sincerely, Josh
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verbose markups?

[Joshua Nichols]

I know that the \set stanza = "" is reformatted to be bold. I would like to
changes this to regular (not bolded). Is this possible?

This does relate to other environments, such as the subtitle, etc.

​Sincerely,

Josh
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Good style sheet for hymnal?

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm possibly going to be taking on a hymnal project, and would like to know
if anyone has come up with a good style-sheet for lilypond engraving at
small sizes in hymnals!

Thanks!

​Sincerely,

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Re: Is there a similar command to LaTeX's \vfill?

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​Thanks for the lead. How can I apply this to force the item it puts space
before to the bottom of the page? All I see is application for mm specific
intervals.​



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Is there a similar command to LaTeX's \vfill?

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm looking to force a \markup{} after a score block to the bottom of the
page for a project I am in. In LaTeX, this looks like \vfill, which forces
the next bit of text/content to the bottom of the page. Is there something
like it in LilyPond?

​Sincerely,​


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Re: difficult question to ask about spacing

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks, I feel this particularly nails my problem on the head. I don't know
what to do at this point.


IX,

Josh

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Alexander Kobel n...@a-kobel.de wrote:

 Hi all,

 On 2015-07-24 04:06, Nick Baskin wrote:

 [...] some piano music  [...]


 aha!

  [...] Anywho, I'm trying to break a system mid
 line and re start another one on the same line with a small amount of
 space between where the last one let off. I'm also trying to do it
 in a vocal context with lyrics. [...]


 Would it be possible to use this DS al coda snippet
 (http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=198) for what you want to do?


 YMMV. As far as I know, there is a catch with each and every DS al coda
 snippet out there. Unless I missed some news, there are two approaches:

 1.) Use \stopStaff, spacer rests, and \startStaff, or
 2.) Use a markup line with two scores and a horizontal space in between.

 Let's ignore that you will need to know where line breaks are around the
 line with the gap (in particular for the second version).

 Version 1 is almost perfect for single-staff music - easy to use, looks
 good; you mostly have to make sure that clef, key signature and maybe bar
 numbers are shown again, the gap is reasonably large, and that measure
 numbers are not off. Might be a bit cumbersome, but all of that is well
 supported with built-in methods.
 However, for a score with several staves in groups (piano (!), chorus,
 ...), I am not aware of any way to redraw the SystemStartBrackets or
 SystemStartBraces when \startStaff comes into effect.
 BTW, this approach is what the snippet in the LSR boils down to.

 Version 2 theoretically offers full flexibility, but all spacing (in
 particular, vertical spacing) is computed separately from the overall
 score. If your score is even slightly non-trivial, chances are that you
 will end up with a imperfect solution even after fiddling around with many
 settings,


 Bottom line: does anybody know whether it's possible to redraw a
 SystemStartBrace in the middle of the line and thus solve the issue of the
 first version? I already spent some hours (mostly trial-and-error) on that
 a while ago, but could not achieve anything useful.


 Best,
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Re: difficult question to ask about spacing

[Joshua Nichols]

attached is an example (created with musescore)


IX,

Josh

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Jacques Menu imj-muz...@bluewin.ch wrote:

 Hello Josh,

 Can you send a view of what you’re aiming at, even hand drawn?

 JM

 Le 24 juil. 2015 à 04:06, Nick Baskin amphio...@gmail.com a écrit :


 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 attached is a picture of what I'm attempting (created with MuseScore)


 IX,

 Josh

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I'm thinking about making some piano music that has a very distinct
 section break. I'm not sure how to describe it, so I'm sure I've missed it
 in the manuals somewhere.

 Anywho, I'm trying to break a system mid line and re start another one
 on the same line with a small amount of space between where the last one
 let off. I'm also trying to do it in a vocal context with lyrics.

 Does this make sense? Not sure if I am, and I can draw a picture if you
 all would like. Thanks in advance.

 ​Sincerely,

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 Joshua,

 Would it be possible to use this DS al coda snippet (
 http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=198) for what you want to do?

 ~
 Nick

 --
 And she forgot the stars, the moon, and sun,
 And she forgot the blue above the trees,
 And she forgot the dells where waters run,
 And she forgot the chilly autumn breeze...

 — Keats, Isabella, or the Pot of Basil
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Re: Problem with Percent repeats

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks! This is quite helpful!


IX,

Josh

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

 Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:

  On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 5:26 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
 
  David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes:
 
   Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:
  
   I absolutely sent the wrong example. This is my work around for
 right now,
   here below, and re-attached, is the example I'm having trouble with.
  
   Ok, here's the deal: percent repeats don't work with changed time
   signatures.  The problem is that a change in time signature is
 effected
   by a context property change while typesetting, and the percent
 repeat
   _iterator_ starts making decisions at the time it encounters the
 \repeat
   percent which is earlier.
  
   That's stupid.  It's also the same problem as issue 3693
   URL:https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3693.
 
  It turns out that emulating the broken part is somewhat feasible.
 
 
{
  \time 5/16  a16\[ r c- r a]
  \time 4/16  c16-\! r r8 \mark \markup { \box 191 }
}
\omit\time 9/32
#(make-music 'DoublePercentEvent
  'length (ly:make-moment 9/16))
#(make-music 'DoublePercentEvent
  'length (ly:make-moment 9/16))
 
  There is a whole bunch wrong with that.  But the graphical output in
  _this_ staff (others will likely need to have the time signature made
  invisible as well) seems to be more or less what you want.  Maybe one
  can play around in order to make the input correspond a bit better with
  the logic.
 
  Thank you for your speedy reply and candor. I appreciate this, as now I
 can
  look forward to seeing improvements with an already stellar program and
  tinker with the moment at the same time! Thanks again!

 I've uploaded a patch for issue 3693.  I consider it likely that it will
 have made it through our review process before version 2.19.24 gets
 released (10 days or so).

 This will still not make your particular example work: the meter change
 inside of the percent repeat cannot reasonably reliably be extracted and
 repeated.  However, if you just put the meter changes in a parallel
 passage outside of the percent repeat, stuff will then work fine.

 So your particular code will still require a workaround (unless you
 already have a parallel timing track), but the workaround is much more
 straightforward than currently.

 --
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difficult question to ask about spacing

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm thinking about making some piano music that has a very distinct section
break. I'm not sure how to describe it, so I'm sure I've missed it in the
manuals somewhere.

Anywho, I'm trying to break a system mid line and re start another one on
the same line with a small amount of space between where the last one let
off. I'm also trying to do it in a vocal context with lyrics.

Does this make sense? Not sure if I am, and I can draw a picture if you all
would like. Thanks in advance.

​Sincerely,

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Re: difficult question to ask about spacing

[Joshua Nichols]

attached is a picture of what I'm attempting (created with MuseScore)


IX,

Josh

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm thinking about making some piano music that has a very distinct
 section break. I'm not sure how to describe it, so I'm sure I've missed it
 in the manuals somewhere.

 Anywho, I'm trying to break a system mid line and re start another one on
 the same line with a small amount of space between where the last one let
 off. I'm also trying to do it in a vocal context with lyrics.

 Does this make sense? Not sure if I am, and I can draw a picture if you
 all would like. Thanks in advance.

 ​Sincerely,

 Josh

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Re: difficult question to ask about spacing

[Joshua Nichols]

It looks like it could work in theory, but I'm having a bit of trouble
deciphering it to modify it.


IX,

Josh

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Nick Baskin amphio...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 attached is a picture of what I'm attempting (created with MuseScore)


 IX,

 Josh

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I'm thinking about making some piano music that has a very distinct
 section break. I'm not sure how to describe it, so I'm sure I've missed it
 in the manuals somewhere.

 Anywho, I'm trying to break a system mid line and re start another one
 on the same line with a small amount of space between where the last one
 let off. I'm also trying to do it in a vocal context with lyrics.

 Does this make sense? Not sure if I am, and I can draw a picture if you
 all would like. Thanks in advance.

 ​Sincerely,

 Josh



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 Joshua,

 Would it be possible to use this DS al coda snippet (
 http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=198) for what you want to do?

 ~
 Nick

 --
 And she forgot the stars, the moon, and sun,
 And she forgot the blue above the trees,
 And she forgot the dells where waters run,
 And she forgot the chilly autumn breeze...

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Re: Problem with Percent repeats

[Joshua Nichols]

See attached and also below.

\version 2.18.2

#(set-global-staff-size 17)

\paper {
  paper-height = 3.5\in
  paper-width = 6\in
  indent = 0\in
  right-margin = 0.5\in
  bottom-margin = 0.5\in
  top-margin = 0.5\in
  left-margin = 0.5\in
  ragged-bottom = ##f
  ragged-last = ##f

}

\header {
  tagline = ##f
}


cOn = {  }
cOff = {  }

timp = \relative a, {

\mark \markup { \box 189 }

  \time 5/16 a16\mf\[ r c r a]
  \time 4/16 c\! r r8
  \time 5/16 r8 r8.
  a16[ r c r a]
  r8 r8. \mark \markup { \box 190 }


 \repeat unfold 2  {
  \time 5/16  a16\[ r c r a]
  }
  \alternative {
{\time 4/16  c16\! r r8 }
{\time 4/16  c16\! r r8 \mark \markup { \box 191 } }
  }



  \time 5/16 a16\[ r c r a]
  \time 4/16 c\! r r8
  \time 3/8 a8 c4 \mark \markup { \box 192 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  a8. c8
  \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 194 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 2/4 a c a[ c] \mark \markup { \box 195 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 196 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 197 }
  \time 7/16 a8. r8 c
  \time 2/4 a8 c a c \mark \markup { \box 198 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 2/4 a c a c \mark \markup { \box 199 }
  \repeat percent 3 {
a c a[ c]
  }
  a[ c] a r   \bar ||
}

\score {
  \new Staff \with { \clef F } {
\timp
  }
  \layout {
\context {
  \Score
  \omit BarNumber
  \omit TimeSignature
}
  }
}


IC,

Josh

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:00 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

 Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:

  I've got this snippet:
 
  \repeat percent 2  {
\time 5/16  a16\[ r c r a] |
\time 4/16  c\! r r8
}
 
  and I'm having trouble getting it to show up with the percent correctly
  placed between the barlines.
 
  It also needs to be noted that I have \omit \TimeSignature in my
 \score{}.
 
  Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

 How about putting together a working complete example with all the
 pertinent details?  That way you would be reasonably sure that any
 answer will actually apply to your use case.

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Problem with Percent repeats

[Joshua Nichols]

I've got this snippet:

\repeat percent 2  {
  \time 5/16  a16\[ r c r a] |
  \time 4/16  c\! r r8
  }

and I'm having trouble getting it to show up with the percent correctly
placed between the barlines.

It also needs to be noted that I have \omit \TimeSignature in my \score{}.

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

Sincerely,

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Re: Problem with Percent repeats

[Joshua Nichols]

I absolutely sent the wrong example. This is my work around for right now,
here below, and re-attached, is the example I'm having trouble with.

\version 2.18.2

#(set-global-staff-size 17)

\paper {
  paper-height = 3.5\in
  paper-width = 6\in
  indent = 0\in
  right-margin = 0.5\in
  bottom-margin = 0.5\in
  top-margin = 0.5\in
  left-margin = 0.5\in
  ragged-bottom = ##f
  ragged-last = ##f

}

\header {
  tagline = ##f
}


cOn = {  }
cOff = {  }

timp = \relative a, {
  \override Script.direction = #UP

\mark \markup { \box 189 }

  \time 5/16 a16\mf\[ r c- r a-]
  \time 4/16 c-\! r r8
  \time 5/16 r8 r8.
  a16[ r c- r a]
  r8 r8. \mark \markup { \box 190 }


 \repeat percent 2  {
  \time 5/16  a16\[ r c- r a]
  \time 4/16  c16-\! r r8 \mark \markup { \box 191 }
  }



  \time 5/16 a16\[ r c- r a]
  \time 4/16 c-\! r r8
  \time 3/8 a8 c4 \mark \markup { \box 192 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  a8. c8
  \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 194 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 2/4 a c a[ c] \mark \markup { \box 195 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 196 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 197 }
  \time 7/16 a8. r8 c
  \time 2/4 a8 c a c \mark \markup { \box 198 }
  \time 5/16 a8. c8
  \time 2/4 a c a c \mark \markup { \box 199 }
  \repeat percent 3 {
a c a[ c]
  }
  a[ c] a r   \bar ||
}

\score {
  \new Staff \with { \clef F } {
\timp
  }
  \layout {
\context {
  \Score
  \omit BarNumber
  \omit TimeSignature
}
  }
}


IC,

Josh

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
wrote:

 See attached and also below.

 \version 2.18.2

 #(set-global-staff-size 17)

 \paper {
   paper-height = 3.5\in
   paper-width = 6\in
   indent = 0\in
   right-margin = 0.5\in
   bottom-margin = 0.5\in
   top-margin = 0.5\in
   left-margin = 0.5\in
   ragged-bottom = ##f
   ragged-last = ##f

 }

 \header {
   tagline = ##f
 }


 cOn = {  }
 cOff = {  }

 timp = \relative a, {

 \mark \markup { \box 189 }

   \time 5/16 a16\mf\[ r c r a]
   \time 4/16 c\! r r8
   \time 5/16 r8 r8.
   a16[ r c r a]
   r8 r8. \mark \markup { \box 190 }


  \repeat unfold 2  {
   \time 5/16  a16\[ r c r a]
   }
   \alternative {
 {\time 4/16  c16\! r r8 }
 {\time 4/16  c16\! r r8 \mark \markup { \box 191 } }
   }



   \time 5/16 a16\[ r c r a]
   \time 4/16 c\! r r8
   \time 3/8 a8 c4 \mark \markup { \box 192 }
   \time 5/16 a8. c8
   a8. c8
   \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 194 }
   \time 5/16 a8. c8
   \time 2/4 a c a[ c] \mark \markup { \box 195 }
   \time 5/16 a8. c8
   \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 196 }
   \time 5/16 a8. c8
   \time 3/8 a4 c8 \mark \markup { \box 197 }
   \time 7/16 a8. r8 c
   \time 2/4 a8 c a c \mark \markup { \box 198 }
   \time 5/16 a8. c8
   \time 2/4 a c a c \mark \markup { \box 199 }
   \repeat percent 3 {
 a c a[ c]
   }
   a[ c] a r   \bar ||
 }

 \score {
   \new Staff \with { \clef F } {
 \timp
   }
   \layout {
 \context {
   \Score
   \omit BarNumber
   \omit TimeSignature
 }
   }
 }


 IC,

 Josh

 On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:00 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

 Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:

  I've got this snippet:
 
  \repeat percent 2  {
\time 5/16  a16\[ r c r a] |
\time 4/16  c\! r r8
}
 
  and I'm having trouble getting it to show up with the percent correctly
  placed between the barlines.
 
  It also needs to be noted that I have \omit \TimeSignature in my
 \score{}.
 
  Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

 How about putting together a working complete example with all the
 pertinent details?  That way you would be reasonably sure that any
 answer will actually apply to your use case.

 --
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Re: Problem with Percent repeats

[Joshua Nichols]

Thank you for your speedy reply and candor. I appreciate this, as now I can
look forward to seeing improvements with an already stellar program and
tinker with the moment at the same time! Thanks again!

IC,

Josh

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 5:26 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes:

  Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:
 
  I absolutely sent the wrong example. This is my work around for right
 now,
  here below, and re-attached, is the example I'm having trouble with.
 
  Ok, here's the deal: percent repeats don't work with changed time
  signatures.  The problem is that a change in time signature is effected
  by a context property change while typesetting, and the percent repeat
  _iterator_ starts making decisions at the time it encounters the \repeat
  percent which is earlier.
 
  That's stupid.  It's also the same problem as issue 3693
  URL:https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3693.

 It turns out that emulating the broken part is somewhat feasible.


   {
 \time 5/16  a16\[ r c- r a]
 \time 4/16  c16-\! r r8 \mark \markup { \box 191 }
   }
   \omit\time 9/32
   #(make-music 'DoublePercentEvent
 'length (ly:make-moment 9/16))
   #(make-music 'DoublePercentEvent
 'length (ly:make-moment 9/16))

 There is a whole bunch wrong with that.  But the graphical output in
 _this_ staff (others will likely need to have the time signature made
 invisible as well) seems to be more or less what you want.  Maybe one
 can play around in order to make the input correspond a bit better with
 the logic.

 --
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change font name of just lyrics?

[Joshua Nichols]

I've looked for a hack, but I haven't found one yet. I was wondering if
y'all could expedite my question:

I'd like to be able to change the default lyric font to a different font
within the same font family. I have an expert font that has many different
weights and a condensed form, and I'm not quite sure how to tweak just the
lyrics.

anyone?

Sincerely,

Josh
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Re:Suggest a condensed old style or transitional font for lyrics?

[Joshua Nichols]

 ;-)

You are right. I also continually forget to check the List in addition to
personal replies. I did not intend to not respond to your response. :\

 Hey, from the blog post this looks like a nice font for lyrics. (I think
Joshua didn't want to say that he doesn't _like_ the looks of Minion but I
think he's looking for a free alternative).

Actually, I'm not necessarily looking for a free alternative. Free
alternatives that are excellent take a long time to come by. I am
interested in *any* font, free or otherwise, that can suit the purposes.

 Well, apart from Minion Pro ...

I think what follows is correct. Minion Pro is a *wonderful* font. It is
beautifully designed, with incredible metrics and contrast. It is one of
the nicest fonts I've ever used. But, it is *not quite* what I'm looking
for.

I'm publishing a hymnal. I need to be able to have something that is
readable and not anemic at small font sizes. In addition, I need something
with slightly smaller descenders, and it needs to be economical without
becoming anemic at smaller sizes.

 Opera Lyrics Smooth...

I think it is overkill. At one point in the font's history it wasn't so
homely. It was crisp and clear. A copy of the font scanned roughly into a
font file is not something I'm interested in following up on (besides, it
does look a little wide).

If you are interested in considering a professionally/commercially made
font, I found these in my research are good alternatives:

   - ITC Century Book Condensed
   - ITC Cheltenham Condensed
   - ITC Garamond Condensed
   - Garth Graphic Condensed
   - Kepler Condensed
   - Scala Condensed
   - Times New Roman Condensed*

*I'm not interested in the slightest in using TNR. It is for comparison.

Sincerely,

Josh
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Re: Suggest a condensed old style or transitional font for lyrics?

[Joshua Nichols]

I would be interested in sponsoring! Let me know what I can do.
On Apr 30, 2015 11:51 AM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Old Standard TT http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/old-standard-TT is
 nice and has most of the expected variants (roman, italic, bold, but not
 bold-italic). I've also created a condensed version of the Century
 Schoolbook L family (roman, italic, bold, bold-italic) just for this
 purpose if anyone is interested (Urs, I think you asked me for this). I
 know there are other options out there. I could probably make a condensed
 version of Opera Lyrics Smooth
 http://www.fontspace.com/maltedmedia/opera-lyrics-smooth, but it
 wouldn't have italics.

 I've got a handful of others (perfect for this purpose and just beautiful
 in general) that I'd be willing to recreate from some nice scanned samples
 if anyone was willing to sponsor the effort.

 - Abraham

 On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I'm looking for something other than minion pro. It also needs to have
 serifs (if not clear by the indication in the subject). What do you all use
 (free or otherwise)?


 Thanks,

 Josh

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Re: Suggest a condensed old style or transitional font for lyrics?

[Joshua Nichols]

 What about Romande ADF?

I'll check it out, thanks!

IC,

Josh

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Alexander Kobel n...@a-kobel.de wrote:

 On 2015-04-30 17:20, Joshua Nichols wrote:

 I'm looking for something other than minion pro. It also needs to have
 serifs (if not clear by the indication in the subject). What do you all
 use (free or otherwise)?


 What about Romande ADF?
   http://arkandis.tuxfamily.org/adffonts.html


 Best,
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Suggest a condensed old style or transitional font for lyrics?

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm looking for something other than minion pro. It also needs to have
serifs (if not clear by the indication in the subject). What do you all use
(free or otherwise)?


Thanks,

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Re: Pango Update in new binaries

[Joshua Nichols]

Is there not a procedure for builds that use the same version number but
import newer (fixed) library? Or is the issue about packagers?

I am currently using a MacPorts build of 2.18.2, which gives the desired
output. I also downloaded the 2.19.18 version and am getting great results.
I'm just thinking about the benefit for others to finally have the proper
kerning in the more regularly downloaded versions.

IC,

Josh

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:

 - Original Message - From: Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com
 To: Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 Cc: lilypond-devel lilypond-de...@gnu.org; Mailinglist
 lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Pango Update in new binaries


  2015-04-07 19:47 GMT+02:00 Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com:

  Hello all,

 I apologize if this question has already been asked.

 Has the new version of pango been ported to the binaries on
 mac/windows/linux? I noticed here
 https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 that there
 has
 since been bug issues with a previous version that LilyPond has been
 using,
 and now there's been fixes to those bugs. I noticed its in the latest dev
 release of LilyPond, but my question is: is it being retroactively
 implemented in the stable release?


  Hi Josh

 Nobody replied to you.
 According to a recent discussion in this list, it seems that the new Pango
 version in GUB makes lilypond compile much faster. This would be another
 good reason to make a 2.18.3 release. Unless 2.20 is close... What
 developers think about it? (I'm cc-ing lilypond-devel).



 I don't think an update to 2.18 just to pick up the updated Pango would be
 a good idea.  Updates to stable are there really to correct problems that
 slipped through into the previous version, not to provide upgrades.  If the
 performance improvement is important, I would suggest using 2.19.18.

 --
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Pango Update in new binaries

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello all,

I apologize if this question has already been asked.

Has the new version of pango been ported to the binaries on
mac/windows/linux? I noticed here
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 that there has
since been bug issues with a previous version that LilyPond has been using,
and now there's been fixes to those bugs. I noticed its in the latest dev
release of LilyPond, but my question is: is it being retroactively
implemented in the stable release?

Thanks,

Josh
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Free Fried?

[Joshua Nichols]

This project on indiegogo happened a while ago, and I have a general
question to people who donated for packages:

Have you had those fulfilled? I seem to be out of the loop on the timing of
those things.
Thanks!

Sincerely,

Josh
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Tie Problem?

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm typesetting some Rachmaninoff (G-flat prelude) and I'm running into a
hairy situation. See attached.

Any way to fix this problem? I have tried changing the default spacing, but
it's still the same problem - two itty-bitty ties.

Snippet -

\version 2.18.2

\relative c' { \stemDown \tieDown

e g a8[ ~ q]

}

Sincerely,

Josh
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Re: Tie Problem?

[Joshua Nichols]

 For finer control, you’ll likely want to use Janek’s amazing \shape
function(s).

Yes, This is very good, but I only think it works for single slurs and
ties? I'm looking for something that can deal with individual ties in a
single chord.

IC,

Josh

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Kieren MacMillan 
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:

 Hi Josh,

  I'm typesetting some Rachmaninoff (G-flat prelude) and I'm running into
 a hairy situation. See attached.
  Any way to fix this problem? I have tried changing the default spacing,
 but it's still the same problem - two itty-bitty ties.

 \relative c' {
   \stemDown
   \once \override Tie.minimum-length = #4.2 e g a^~8[ ~ q]
 }

 For finer control, you’ll likely want to use Janek’s amazing \shape
 function(s).

 Hope this helps!
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Re: using \markup to display short rhythms

[Joshua Nichols]

 I think it's { \markup { \score { } } } you're looking for.

Yes. I know of this. Perhaps is there a simpler way than this?:

\version 2.18.2


stencilF = {

\override Score.BarLine.stencil = ##f

\override Staff.Clef.stencil = ##f

\override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = ##f

\override Score.BarLine.stencil = ##f

\stopStaff

}


\markup { blah \score{ \new Voice { \stencilF \repeat unfold 4 { c''8} }
\layout {indent = 0\in} } blah }


Thanks.

IC,

Josh

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:

 I think it's { \markup { \score { } } } you're looking for.

 HTH
 Urs

 Am 29. November 2014 05:02:41 MEZ, schrieb Joshua Nichols 
 josh.d.nich...@gmail.com:

 Has anyone used \markup (or know of a way to use \markup) to create
 beamed rhythms? I imagine being able to do this:

 \markup { \note #8[ 8 8 8] #UP }

 I checked a cursory search for it on the interwebs. Alas, no immediate
 luck.

 Thanks,

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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 144, Issue 104

[Joshua Nichols]

 Someone recently gave \partcombine an option to double-stem unisons...

This looks very promising. Thanks for the update!

Sincerely,

Josh
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using \markup to display short rhythms

[Joshua Nichols]

Has anyone used \markup (or know of a way to use \markup) to create beamed
rhythms? I imagine being able to do this:

\markup { \note #8[ 8 8 8] #UP }

I checked a cursory search for it on the interwebs. Alas, no immediate luck.

Thanks,

Josh
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Re: Registrations on organ and harpsichord

[Joshua Nichols]

Hi Marco,

 It is possible to type to the lilypond notations the registration marks
for Harpsichord, or organ?

I think I know what you are trying to do. Could you give me a little more
detail?

For example, I have done this with lilypond:

\markup { \general-align #Y #0.5 \left-brace #50
\general-align #X #LEFT
   \column{
\line{I. 8' Flute; II/I;}
\line{II: 8' String;}
\line{Ped. 16' Flute, String; II/Ped.}

}
  }

You put this right before your score block. Make sense? Am I missing
something?

HTH,

Josh
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Re: Possible Bug with \partcombine?

[Joshua Nichols]

 The simplest solution here is to keep the voices separate through the
slurs...

Thanks, this is helpful.

Is there talk about improving this feature? Or do you know of a hack for
getting the desired output?

Your solution will be a solid work around from here on out. Thanks.


Josh
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Possible Bug with \partcombine?

[Joshua Nichols]

I was recently typesetting a song, using part combine, from a hymnal. I ran
into a problem: everytime I ran \partcombine, I found that unterminated
slur and cannot end slur, were common warnings. I was confused, and so I
created this small snippet that should reproduce the same issues.

\version 2.18.2

one = {

c' c' c' c'( c') c' c'( c')

}

two = {

b a b \partcombineApartOnce c'( b) a b( \partcombineApartOnce c')

}

\score {

\new Voice {

\partcombine \one \two }

}


Anybody else having the same problem?

Is it a bug? Or is it a amateur mistake (hoping for the latter).

Thanks,

Josh
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Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?

[Joshua Nichols]

To reiterate, most of what is said is over my head. I'll continue to follow
and help as I can.

IC,

Josh

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote:


 Sorry for the late reply.

  This is not correct.  The most important part, namely to write a
  small test program for Pango that should be run on Windows and/or
  64bit GNU/Linux platforms, is *not* done.
 
  I have a couple of development environments for Windows: a gcc-based
  one, which I've used for LilyPad development and a M$ C# one which I
  use more extensively.  If you could point to what the test program
  would need to do, I could write, compile and test it.

 See https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656#c25.

 The smaller the test code, the better.  The basic idea is to isolate
 the problem so that we can ask Pango developers (and/or Behdad, see
 comment #26) to look at, if necessary.


 Werner

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Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?

[Joshua Nichols]

I apologize for not responding sooner.

I went back over the bug report, and I'm more confused now than I was
before. Some seem to suggest that it may be a limitation with the
simplicity of pango, but I know that it is at least working on 32-bit
versions of linux. What needs to be tested then?

I'm imagining that the program would need to test the ... (and correct me
lily-list if I'm wrong)... the pango font hints? I have no idea what I'm
saying. But, to my eyes and mind, it looks like the issue is that something
is glitching when the program calls the pango-something or another...
whatever...

Help at all? *shrugs*

IC,

Josh

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:

 - Original Message - From: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org
 To: josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:55 PM
 Subject: Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?




  I have read it. I know essentially what is happening, but I am not
 experienced at all with testing this sort of thing. It seems that
 the issue reported is stated pretty clearly, and that the questions
 are pretty much answered,


 This is not correct.  The most important part, namely to write a small
 test program for Pango that should be run on Windows and/or 64bit
 GNU/Linux platforms, is *not* done.

  it's just a matter of IMPLEMENTING it.


 I guess that this is not too difficult as soon as we have a test
 program...


Werner



 I have a couple of development environments for Windows: a gcc-based one,
 which I've used for LilyPad development and a M$ C# one which I use more
 extensively.  If you could point to what the test program would need to do,
 I could write, compile and test it.

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Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks for clarifying. What would you call the directory that says when to
use ligatures? Am I on the right track?
On Oct 6, 2014 9:48 PM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Josh,

 It's not the hints. Font hints are instructions for the computer to render
 the glyphs more accurately at small sizes. Unfortunately, it's a different
 issue.

 -Abraham

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I apologize for not responding sooner.

 I went back over the bug report, and I'm more confused now than I was
 before. Some seem to suggest that it may be a limitation with the
 simplicity of pango, but I know that it is at least working on 32-bit
 versions of linux. What needs to be tested then?

 I'm imagining that the program would need to test the ... (and correct me
 lily-list if I'm wrong)... the pango font hints? I have no idea what I'm
 saying. But, to my eyes and mind, it looks like the issue is that something
 is glitching when the program calls the pango-something or another...
 whatever...

 Help at all? *shrugs*

 IC,

 Josh

 On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:

 - Original Message - From: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org
 To: josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:55 PM
 Subject: Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?




  I have read it. I know essentially what is happening, but I am not
 experienced at all with testing this sort of thing. It seems that
 the issue reported is stated pretty clearly, and that the questions
 are pretty much answered,


 This is not correct.  The most important part, namely to write a small
 test program for Pango that should be run on Windows and/or 64bit
 GNU/Linux platforms, is *not* done.

  it's just a matter of IMPLEMENTING it.


 I guess that this is not too difficult as soon as we have a test
 program...


Werner



 I have a couple of development environments for Windows: a gcc-based one,
 which I've used for LilyPad development and a M$ C# one which I use more
 extensively.  If you could point to what the test program would need to do,
 I could write, compile and test it.

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Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?

[Joshua Nichols]

 Read https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656...

I have read it. I know essentially what is happening, but I am not
experienced at all with testing this sort of thing. It seems that the issue
reported is stated pretty clearly, and that the questions are pretty much
answered, it's just a matter of IMPLEMENTING it. IDK, I'm trying to think
of this correctly.

IC,

Josh

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote:


  Last time I checked, this is a problem with Linux 64bit versions as
  well.  But for some reason it only works on 32bit Linux?
 
  I would willingly volunteer to do the work, I just have NO idea
  where to begin. I have no background or experience with this kind of
  coding, anyway...

 Read https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 – maybe
 you can help resolve one of the questions.


 Werner

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Re: Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?

[Joshua Nichols]

 You have rather to actively find a developer interested in Lilypond on a
Windows platform...

Last time I checked, this is a problem with Linux 64bit versions as well.
But for some reason it only works on 32bit Linux?

I would willingly volunteer to do the work, I just have NO idea where to
begin. I have no background or experience with this kind of coding,
anyway...

IC,

Josh

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote:

  I am not astute nor a programmer to know even how to begin fixing
  this issue.  I know it has been discussed as a possible limitation
  of the pango.  However, it seems that it works on some systems and
  others not.
 
  What has to be done to fix the issue?
 
  What would be an appropriate bounty to have this issue fixed?

 I guess it's basically not a bounty issue: You have rather to actively
 find a developer interested in Lilypond on a Windows platform so that
 she or he can test Pango.  Currently, we lack such a person.


 Werner

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Bounty for Fixing Ligature Bug?

[Joshua Nichols]

I am not astute nor a programmer to know even how to begin fixing this
issue. I know it has been discussed as a possible limitation of the pango.
However, it seems that it works on some systems and others not.

What has to be done to fix the issue?

What would be an appropriate bounty to have this issue fixed?

Best,

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Strange happenings with alternate music fonts 2.19.14

[Joshua Nichols]

I wonder if this problem has occurred with 2.18.2, but I have not tried it.

Anyone understand why the composer is coming out all the way to the right
of the margin? see attached.

Sincerely,

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Re: Strange happenings with alternate music fonts 2.19.14

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks Abraham. See attached.

Thank you for the tremendous and hard work you have put to explore
alternate fonts. I am in debt to you (for which I might just donate ;) ).

IC,

Josh

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I wonder if this problem has occurred with 2.18.2, but I have not tried it.

 Anyone understand why the composer is coming out all the way to the right
 of the margin? see attached.

 Sincerely,

 Josh


 Josh,

 I, personally, haven't noticed anything like that as a result of using the
 new music fonts, but that doesn't mean you aren't. Could you please post us
 your exact code (maybe attach the .ly file) that results in this error? I
 believe that there has been some discussion in another thread about this
 composer mis-alignment error already, but let's see if that is indeed the
 issue or if it's something else.

 Regards,
 Abraham

\version 2.19.14

#(set-global-staff-size 20)

\paper {
  #(set-paper-size letter)
  left-margin = 0.7\in
  right-margin = 0.7\in
  top-margin = 0.5\in
  bottom-margin = 0.5\in
  system-system-spacing = #'((basic-distance . 1) (padding . 5))
  page-count = #1
  #(define fonts
(set-global-fonts
#:music paganini
#:brace emmentaler
#:roman Century Schoolbook L
#:sans sans-serif
#:typewriter monospace
#:factor (/ staff-height pt 20)
  ))
}

\header {
  title = You Are My King (Amazing Love)
%subtitle = \markup {\smallCaps anna 8.7.8.7 }
composer = Billy J. Foote
%poet = Joshua Nichols, 2012
copyright = \markup {
  \center-column { \line {CCLI Song # 2456623 }
   \line {© 1996 worshiptogether.com songs}
   \line {For use solely with the Song Select Terms of Use. All rights reserved. www.ccli.com}
   \line {CCLI License #147742}
  }
}
tagline = 
}


global = {
  \numericTimeSignature
  \time 4/4
  \key e \major
  \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'()
\set Timing.baseMoment = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)
\set Timing.beatStructure = #'(1 1 1 1)

}



sopRefrainNotes = \relative c'' {
  \tempo \markup { \box { Refrain } }
  
  \repeat volta 2 { 
   r8. e,16 b'8 b16 b~ b4. cis8~
   cis b4 b8 fis16( e8.~ e4)
   r8. e16 e fis( e) gis~ gis8 gis16 a( gis8) fis16 fis~
   fis1
   r8. e16 b'8 b16 b~ b4. cis8~
   cis b4 b8 fis16( e8.~ e4)
   r4 e16 fis( e) gis~ gis8 gis16 a( gis8) fis16 fis~
  }
  \alternative { { fis1 } {fis2 r8 gis16 fis~ fis8 e~ } }
  e8 fis( e4) r8 fis fis e16 e~
  e2 r
  R1 \bar ||
  \tempo \markup { \box { Bridge } }
  gis2. fis16( e) fis8~
  fis e4. r2
  gis2. fis16( e) fis8~
  fis e4. r4 e8 fis
  gis2. fis16( e) fis8~
  fis e4. r4 e8 fis
  gis2. fis16( e) fis8~
  fis e4. r2 \bar ||
  
  
}

sopVerseNotes = \relative c'' {
  \global \tempo \markup { \box { Verse } }
 \repeat volta 2 { 
 r4 gis8 fis16 fis~ fis e8.~ e b16
 gis'8 a16 gis~ gis8 gis16 gis~ gis fis8. r4
 r gis8 fis fis e4.
 r8 gis16 gis~ gis8 fis16 fis~ fis2
 r4 b8 b16 b~ b8 b16 fis( e8) e
 gis a16 gis~ gis8 a16 gis16~ gis8 fis r8. dis16
 e4 gis8 fis~ fis fis16 fis~ fis8 e16 e~
 e2 r \break
 }
  
  
}

refrainLyrics = \lyricmode {
 A -- maz -- ing love, __ how __ can it be __
 that You, my __ King, __ would die __ for me? __
 A -- maz -- ing love, __ I __ know it's true; __
 it's my __ joy __ to hon -- or You. __  _ In all __ I __
 do __ I hon -- or You. __
 You are __ my __ King,
 You are __ my __ King. Je -- sus, You are __ my __ King.
 Je -- sus, You are __ my __ King.
 
}

verseLyricsOne = \lyricmode {
 I'm for -- giv -- en __ be -- cause You were __ for -- sak -- en.
 I'm ac -- cept -- ed; You were __ con -- demned. __
 I'm a -- live __ and well, __ Your Spir -- it is __ with -- in __ me
 be -- cause You died __ and rose __ a -- gain. __
}




 \score { 
 
   
\new Staff = top { \clef treble

 \new Voice = sopVrs { \sopVerseNotes }  
 \new Voice = sopRef { \sopRefrainNotes } 
}

\new Lyrics \lyricsto sopRef { \refrainLyrics }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto sopVrs { \verseLyricsOne }
  
 }
   
  \layout {

indent = 0.0\cm
\context {
  \Score
  \remove Bar_number_engraver

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Re: Strange happenings with alternate music fonts 2.19.14

[Joshua Nichols]

 (or rather, the empty markup)...

What do you mean? I don't see an empty markup.

 So it must be the current composer...

Is it too long?

IC,

Josh

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Abraham. See attached.

 Thank you for the tremendous and hard work you have put to explore
 alternate fonts. I am in debt to you (for which I might just donate ;) ).

 IC,

 Josh

 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I wonder if this problem has occurred with 2.18.2, but I have not tried
 it.

 Anyone understand why the composer is coming out all the way to the right
 of the margin? see attached.

 Sincerely,

 Josh


 Josh,

 I, personally, haven't noticed anything like that as a result of using
 the new music fonts, but that doesn't mean you aren't. Could you please
 post us your exact code (maybe attach the .ly file) that results in this
 error? I believe that there has been some discussion in another thread
 about this composer mis-alignment error already, but let's see if that is
 indeed the issue or if it's something else.

 Regards,
 Abraham


 Josh,

 I compiled your file on 2.18.2 and it worked just fine with the composer
 in the right place, so it must be the current composer (or rather, the
 empty markup) spacing issue.

 Regards,
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Re: Strange happenings with alternate music fonts 2.19.14

[Joshua Nichols]

 It's not that YOU put empty markup in it,

Oh, that is a relief. I'm always afraid of being more blatantly stupid in
this things. Thanks for clarifying!

I did go through the motions of getting 2.18.2 to work, and you are exactly
right. I apologize for being lazy and not trying that first. At any rate, I
look forward to implementing these in the future!




On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com
wrote:

IC,

Josh
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Possible Bug with \numericTimeSignature

[Joshua Nichols]

I've never experienced this before now...

I go to use the following settings:

global = {

\key c \major

\numericTimeSignature

\time 4/4

\tempo 4=100

}


and I got the attached picture. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, or if
this is a bug worth noting.
I was using absolute pitch mode. Thanks in advance.


Sincerely,

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Re: Whiteout Sextuplet

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks!

IC,

Josh


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.ukwrote:


 Joshua Nichols wrote Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:21 AM


 I just realized that I had isolated the problem to other layers getting
  priority over it, so it wouldn't become whiteout. Is it the higher the
  level number, the farthest forward that that engraver sits?

 You can learn about layers here:


 http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/visibility-of-objects#painting-objects-white

 Trevor

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Whiteout Sextuplet

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello all,

I'm having trouble with this:

global = { \override TupletNumber.whiteout = ##t }

working in my project. I've also tried: \override
Score.TupletNumber.whiteout... and \override Staff.TupletNumber.whiteout...

Am I missing something? I obviously am somewhere...


IC,

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Re: Whiteout Sextuplet

[Joshua Nichols]

I just realized that I had isolated the problem to other layers getting
priority over it, so it wouldn't become whiteout. Is it the higher the
level number, the farthest forward that that engraver sits?

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Pierre Perol-Schneider 
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

 \override TupletNumber.layer = #2




IC,

Josh
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Re: Printing Title Pages; has it been a thought?

[Joshua Nichols]

 I think that this would be an interesting feature, but the issue with this
 is
 giving a default title page. It would require a user to adjust the title
 page to fit the needs of the user. I have created a personal title page
 template, if you will. I'll attach it in the email to see what you think.
 Note that my title page has my logo on it, so you'll have to change the .ly
 file accordingly. Ryan McClure

ryanmichaelmccl...@gmail.com
Music Education Major, Shepherd University
Luna Music Engraving




I tried the template, and I was very pleased with the results. It is a most
excellent

I think we can learn a lot from Sibelius here... They seem to have an idea
of how to organize a title page. We could also look at (who would have
thought...?) old Baerenreiter editions, and figure out the consensus. I
mean: If LaTeX can figure it out, why cannot we??
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Printing Title Pages; has it been a thought?

[Joshua Nichols]

I am curious overall on what might be a useful enhancement:

Has anyone thought about writing a permanent title page feature for
lilypond? You know, something that I could invoke through the paper block?

I perused a very light search for this kind of thing, and I didn't find
anything.

I'm surprised why this hasn't been introduced into Lilypond's code. For
example, it could look something like this in the \paper block:

print-title-page = ##t

... and it could be set to be ##f by default. It would print all the
information inside the \header{} of course... I think this could be really
useful, but I wonder if I am missing something here as to why it hasn't
been done yet.

I am not familiar with scheme, nor a programmer by any means, but I would
be willing to pay for this feature. How hard could it be?

I know that with Sibelius, there is a default title page, perhaps we could
gleam from that as far as sizing, spacing, etc?

I'm wanting to get people's thoughts.


Sincerely,

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Status of the kerning and Ligature bugs on Windows machines

[Joshua Nichols]

Does anyone have a fix to this problem? I'd really like to have my ff,
fl, and other such things work within the font systems with Windows. Last
time I check, it looked like it was a GhostScript problem...? Not sure what
I'm saying at the moment, but I'd like to know the status of this, or if
anyone knows a way to get this things to appear without manually calling
them within the special character map within the OS.


Sincerely,

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Re: Status of the kerning and Ligature bugs on Windows machines

[Joshua Nichols]

I wish I could help, but I am no programmer, unless there is something I
should look at... Is this all in relationship to scheme?

IC,

Josh


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:

  No fix.  See http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2657 and
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656.  I think there
 are 2 options; offer to help fix them or run Linux in a VM.

 --
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 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 *To:* Mailinglist lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:09 PM
 *Subject:* Status of the kerning and Ligature bugs on Windows machines

 Does anyone have a fix to this problem? I'd really like to have my ff,
 fl, and other such things work within the font systems with Windows. Last
 time I check, it looked like it was a GhostScript problem...? Not sure what
 I'm saying at the moment, but I'd like to know the status of this, or if
 anyone knows a way to get this things to appear without manually calling
 them within the special character map within the OS.


 Sincerely,

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Continuing issues with variable \markup issues in footers

[Joshua Nichols]

So, after taking the advice of the forum, I supplanted the following
snippet:

oddFooterMarkup = \markup \fill-line { \fontsize #2

\on-the-fly #not-first-page \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string

\on-the-fly #first-page \fromproperty #'header:copyright

}


and compiled. What I'm getting is a first page which the copyright is not
centered at the bottom of the page, though it says \fill-line. When I try
other variable ways of getting this effect, I either get error codes and
fatal returns, or my even footer markup does not show up.


Does anyone know how to get the copyright centered on the first page?

Thanks!


Sincerely,

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Printing Copyright on title page

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello List,

I'm having trouble getting the copyright notice to show up on the first
page when I'm using the following (in the \paper block):

oddFooterMarkup = \markup \fill-line { \fontsize #2 \on-the-fly

#not-first-page \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string }

evenFooterMarkup = \markup \fill-line { \fontsize #2 \on-the-fly

#not-first-page \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string }


anybody have ideas? Thanks!

Sincerely,

Josh
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Removing markups in piano reduction

[Joshua Nichols]

Hello all,

I am transcribing Mendelssohn's He Watching Over Israel from Elijah.

The setup I have has a vocal reduction. One of the things I'm using is text
markup for cresc. and dim. because I don't want the text spanners in
the regular commands.

My question is, how do I remove the markup engraver in the context of the
vocal reduction? Or, how do I remove the actual spanners from the preset
\dim and \decresc?

Thanks a bunch!

Sincerely,
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Re: Removing markups in piano reduction

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm sorry, but it doesn't work.

blah = \relative c' { c\dim d e f\!}

\score {

\new Staff { \blah}

\layout { \context {

\Dynamics

\override DynamicTextSpanner #'style = #'invisible

} } }


The snippet does not work.


IC,

Josh


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Glen Larsen glenl@gmail.com wrote:

 To your second question, remove the text spanners throughout with,

 \layout {
   \context {
 \Dynamics
 \override DynamicTextSpanner #'style = #'none
   }
 }



 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hello all,

 I am transcribing Mendelssohn's He Watching Over Israel from Elijah.

 The setup I have has a vocal reduction. One of the things I'm using is
 text markup for cresc. and dim. because I don't want the text spanners
 in the regular commands.

 My question is, how do I remove the markup engraver in the context of the
 vocal reduction? Or, how do I remove the actual spanners from the preset
 \dim and \decresc?

 Thanks a bunch!

 Sincerely,
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Re: Removing markups in piano reduction

[Joshua Nichols]

I'm sorry, it should read #'none. It does not work even there.

IC,

Josh


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm sorry, but it doesn't work.

 blah = \relative c' { c\dim d e f\!}

 \score {

 \new Staff { \blah}

 \layout { \context {

 \Dynamics

 \override DynamicTextSpanner #'style = #'invisible

 } } }


 The snippet does not work.


 IC,

 Josh


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Glen Larsen glenl@gmail.com wrote:

 To your second question, remove the text spanners throughout with,

 \layout {
   \context {
 \Dynamics
 \override DynamicTextSpanner #'style = #'none
   }
 }



 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Joshua Nichols 
 josh.d.nich...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 I am transcribing Mendelssohn's He Watching Over Israel from Elijah.

 The setup I have has a vocal reduction. One of the things I'm using is
 text markup for cresc. and dim. because I don't want the text spanners
 in the regular commands.

 My question is, how do I remove the markup engraver in the context of
 the vocal reduction? Or, how do I remove the actual spanners from the
 preset \dim and \decresc?

 Thanks a bunch!

 Sincerely,
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Re: On features planned for 2.20 and Documentations on Contemporary Music

[Joshua Nichols]

Thanks to Kieren, David, and Phil for your responses. Kieren, that was a
fantastic snippet.

I guess I would be willing to help, but I have no where to begin to start
that process. I would love to come up with some documentation on
contemporary music, but it seems that LilyPond does convential stuff REALLY
well, in contrast to contemporary music which takes heavy tweaking and
coding to accomplish it.

So, if there is something I can do to help out with the documentation, let
me know!

IC,

Josh


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Kieren MacMillan 
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:

 Hi Josh,

  I was wondering if any examples of contemporary notation were ever
 going to be put in the documentation. I know there is a spot for that, and
 when I've checked back several stable versions, and alas... nothing.

 As others have pointed out, we [the community] need to step up and fill
 that gap.

  Perhaps fractional time signatures, like 3/3, or 3/(dotted sixteenth)?”

 Here’s something I’ve been using:

 \version 2.17

 tsModern =
 #(define-music-function
   (parser location dur)
   (ly:duration?)
 #{
   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil =
 #ly:text-interface::print
   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'text =
 \markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) \center-column {
   \number #(number-string (car (ly:duration-factor dur)))
   \note-by-number #(ly:duration-log dur) #(ly:duration-dot-count
 dur) #DOWN }
   \time #(cons (ly:moment-main-numerator (ly:duration-length dur))
   (ly:moment-main-denominator (ly:duration-length dur)))
 #})

 theMusic = {
  \tsModern 16.*7 R16.*7 |
  \tsModern 4*3 R4*3 |
  \tsModern 16*12 R4*3 |
  \tsModern 32*5 R32*5 |
 }

 \score { \theMusic }

 Hope this helps!
 Kieren.
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Re: On features planned for 2.20 and Documentations on Contemporary Music

[Joshua Nichols]

 Maybe something like a Wiki where you can also upload scanned images?


I like that idea! I see stuff all the time, I'll start collecting image
files. Who should be in charge of setting up the wiki? (I wouldn't mind)

IC,

Josh


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:



 Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com schrieb:
 Thanks to Kieren, David, and Phil for your responses. Kieren, that was
 a
 fantastic snippet.
 
 I guess I would be willing to help, but I have no where to begin to
 start
 that process. I would love to come up with some documentation on
 contemporary music, but it seems that LilyPond does convential stuff
 REALLY
 well, in contrast to contemporary music which takes heavy tweaking and
 coding to accomplish it.
 
 So, if there is something I can do to help out with the documentation,
 let
 me know!

 Maybe a good start would be to set up a place and collect things that
 _you_ would like to have. Once that is in place others can add items or
 solutions.

 Maybe something like a Wiki where you can also upload scanned images?

 Urs
 
 IC,
 
 Josh
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Kieren MacMillan 
 kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 
  Hi Josh,
 
   I was wondering if any examples of contemporary notation were
 ever
  going to be put in the documentation. I know there is a spot for
 that, and
  when I've checked back several stable versions, and alas... nothing.
 
  As others have pointed out, we [the community] need to step up and
 fill
  that gap.
 
   Perhaps fractional time signatures, like 3/3, or 3/(dotted
 sixteenth)?”
 
  Here’s something I’ve been using:
 
  \version 2.17
 
  tsModern =
  #(define-music-function
(parser location dur)
(ly:duration?)
  #{
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil =
  #ly:text-interface::print
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'text =
  \markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) \center-column {
\number #(number-string (car (ly:duration-factor dur)))
\note-by-number #(ly:duration-log dur)
 #(ly:duration-dot-count
  dur) #DOWN }
\time #(cons (ly:moment-main-numerator (ly:duration-length
 dur))
(ly:moment-main-denominator (ly:duration-length dur)))
  #})
 
  theMusic = {
   \tsModern 16.*7 R16.*7 |
   \tsModern 4*3 R4*3 |
   \tsModern 16*12 R4*3 |
   \tsModern 32*5 R32*5 |
  }
 
  \score { \theMusic }
 
  Hope this helps!
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On features planned for 2.20 and Documentations on Contemporary Music

[Joshua Nichols]

So I check the documentation for the dev version, and I notice that there
are a few ideas for the next release. Any ideas not mentioned via
documentation?

Also, I was wondering if any examples of contemporary notation were ever
going to be put in the documentation. I know there is a spot for that, and
when I've checked back several stable versions, and alas... nothing.

This brings me back to features: are there any glyph ideas for handbells,
or miscellaneous percussion? Perhaps fractional time signatures, like 3/3,
or 3/(dotted sixteenth)?

I don't, in proposing these things, actually advocate their use; but I know
that it's all the rage in some circles (and the more we can reach out to
Finale users or other types of users, the better)...

Thoughts?


Sincerely,

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Re: Changing the thickness of clusters

[Joshua Nichols]

Shane,

Wow. Thank you! :) What you have provided is certainly MUCH MUCH better
than what I had before...

I will certainly play with this, and report back any substantial finds.
This is very helpful.

IC,

Josh


On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net wrote:

 Josh,

 Rummaging around I discovered this.
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/clusterspannerbeacon

 It looks like the y extent is hard coded.

 But also found this
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/internals/cluster_002dinterface

 It seems to indicate that the style can be changed and offers several
 varieties.

 Therefore after fiddling a bit with the semi inscrutable instructions
 I tried these two things. The padding value -.25 seems as small as it
 wants to go. Maybe other values would work better, just did some
 guesswork on that. It is really easy to make wonderfully large blobs
 of clustery goodness by making arbitrary positive values.

 \version 2.18.0


 \relative c' \makeClusters { \override ClusterSpanner.padding =
 #'-0.25 b2 d' a f f4 g a b f f a a d4 e f g a b c b f g g g a g }


 \relative c' \makeClusters { \override ClusterSpanner.style =
 #'leftsided-stairs b2 d' a f f4 g a b f f a a d4 e f g a b c b f g g g
 a g }

 Shane


 On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I am absolutely baffled by this question.
 
 
  Tell me about it.
 
  ...it might be simplest to reduce
  the note head sizes. Tried it that does not work either.
 
 
  Same here.
 
  What on earth are clusters good for anyway? Aleatoric strangeness.
 
 
  You are right, and I am definitely not a fan nor in agreement with
 clusters
  and other types of graphical notation, but I am working for people who do
  favor them, and I need to be able to do at least some of it (I draw the
 line
  at hand-drawn graphs like Crumb and Cage, where even the publishers
 wouldn't
  touch it).
 
  But, this kind of notation is really useful for outlining general cues in
  pre-recorded tracks (hence my email). But, I understand if this has
 never
  been asked before; It would be cool to see where LilyPond takes in that
  direction. We definitely have competition; Finale 2014 can apparently
 do it
  all and can compose stuff like George Crumb stuff.
 
  Has anyone thought about this? About advanced Contemporary Music? What
 about
  our (somewhat) competitive brother Belle, Bonne, Sage?
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net
 wrote:
 
 
 
  IC,
 
  Josh

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Re: Weirdness With Fonts and Font Tree Snippet

[Joshua Nichols]

 The function `ly:font-config-display-fonts' (available via the
`-dshow-available-fonts' command line option of lilypond)

I don't even know how to access that. I don't see an option from the GUI to
be able to do that.
I tried doing some of the things aforementioned through Frescobaldi's
command line option (in the GUI), but I could never type in any characters,
let alone a full line command.

IC,

Josh


On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote:


  Indeed, I have found that on Mac OS X, the system is very picky
  about what it sees and doesn't see.  For instance, I use the
  SkyFonts program to install fonts from the Google Fonts site.
  Apparently, it doesn't install them as system fonts, so if I want to
  use them in LilyPond (and PT Sans Narrow, one of the fonts in that
  collection, is the font I currently use for LilyPond), I have to go
  ahead and download the ZIP file and install them through FontBook,
  but almost every other program I use has no issue with it.  I think
  Inkscape might be picky as well, but I don't do enough stuff with
  those fonts in that program to remember.

 Hmm.  The function `ly:font-config-display-fonts' (available via the
 `-dshow-available-fonts' command line option of lilypond) shows
 exactly which directories lilypond's fontconfig is looking into,
 besides a list of fonts it recognizes.  It also lists the
 configuration files together with the directories fontconfig is
 searching for configuration files.  Doesn't this work as expected?


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Re: Weirdness With Fonts and Font Tree Snippet

[Joshua Nichols]

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com wrote:

 open the terminal of Mac and write:

 lilypond -dshow-available-fonts


I got:
-bash: lilypond: command not found


IC,

Josh
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