Re: end of Python2

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I guess "more prepared" was an understatement ...Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: end of Python2Van: Urs Liska Aan: Martin Tarenskeen ,lilypond-user mailinglist ,lilypond-devel mailinglist Cc: Hi Martin,23. September 2019 11:17, "Martin Tarenskeen"  schrieb:> Hi,> > This has been discussed here before but https://pythonclock.org made me > wonder in which direction LilyPond and Frescobaldi are currently going. Well, if you're wondering about the direction then you might just read up the corresponding threads from the last days.> > Unlike Lilypond, Frescobaldi3 is already more prepared for Python3.Frescobaldi is not "more prepared" for Python3. Frescobaldi is fully ported to Python3 and hasn't even worked with Python2 anymore  for some years now.Urs___
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Re: Notes name

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Re: Discussion about Lilypond(for GSoC 2019 project)

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As mentioned before please don't use the terms "notations" and "real music". It's not clear what you exactly mean to discuss.MTVerzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Discussion about Lilypond(for GSoC 2019 project)Van: AKSHITA TYAGI Aan: Urs Liska Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.orgHiLilypond allows you to get the notations for the real music. I was thinking of a new feature for users -Allowing them to create a new music.With notations, it would be new and innovative way, which can catch everyone's attention.On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 11:59 PM Urs Liska  wrote:

Am 7. März 2019 16:54:33 MEZ schrieb David Wright :
>On Thu 07 Mar 2019 at 19:32:27 (+0530), AKSHITA TYAGI wrote:
>> I mean like there are files in MIDI and for that we can get
>notations.
>> But we can also use those stored notations as input and get real
>music as
>> output.
>> Like we give 2 options-
>> 1.music to notations (the usual one)
>> 2.notations to music- In which we can give user the notations to
>enter and
>> he/she will get to listen to the music generated by those notations.
>
>I'm getting very confused by the terminology in this thread.
>So far we have:
>
>MIDI files
>notations (stored)
>real music
>music
>notation (given) to enter to something
>translations of notations (stored)
>audio
>lyrics
>suggestions of notations (popping up)
>
>I understand the following:
>
>M) MIDI files with the filename foo.mid or foo.midi
>L) LilyPond source with the filename foo.ly
>P) LilyPond program source with filenames like foo.scm and bar.ly
>                        (leaving aside binaries)
>S) Scores, varying from a Bach manuscript to printed editions of the
>same
>J) Real music which I hear in the concert hall or off the radio/MP3
>player
>G) Synthesised music which I hear when I play MIDI files on various
>devices
>
>LilyPond can do L→S and L→M using various fragments of P.
>Frescobaldi does much the same, displaying L and S on the screen.
>midi2ly does M→basic L, and I've tried Rosegarden for this too.
>
>I think programs exist that can turn a scanned S into a proprietary
>program's version of L, say, a .sib file.

More generally: from scanned sheet music to MusicXML, from which it can be converted to LilyPond source files. Both steps need manual proofreading.

Urs

>
>Given those terms, I can't quite figure out what's being discussed
>here.
>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:20 PM Karlin High 
>wrote:
>> 
>> > If replies to lilypond-user messages are only addressed to the
>sender,
>> > the rest of the list will not see them. Please include
>> > lilypond-user@gnu.org as a TO or CC address in future messages. A
>GSoC
>> > discussion requires input from others besides me.
>> >
>> > On 3/7/2019 3:42 AM, AKSHITA TYAGI wrote:
>> > > Translating to real music- like we input the notations and get
>music as
>> > > output. For that maybe we can reverse the program or we can
>create a new
>> > > library which stores the translation of the notations maybe a bit
>> > > complicated but worth trying I think.
>> > > Maybe we can add more features and make it look better as display
>it is
>> > > translated to both audio and lyrics.
>> > > And pop up with suggestions of notations.
>> > > And for more languages we can add on more languages in the
>library.
>> > > Because India and China are one of the top most countries that
>are found
>> > > of music.
>> >
>> > The Frescobaldi editor for LilyPond has a MIDI player. It plays the
>MIDI
>> > files made by LilyPond for the given notation. Would your feature
>for
>> > translating to real music be something like that?
>
>Cheers,
>David.
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Re: Edition Engraver in 2.19

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Hi,I, like the original poster, was also intrigued, by people's enthusiastic comments about the power of OpenLilyLib and the Edition Engraver. And like the O.P. I never really got started.I guess the question is: How complex a LilyPonds score has to be before EE really starts making things easier instead of just adding more difficulties?MTVerzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Edition Engraver in 2.19Van: Kieren MacMillan Aan: Reggie Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List Hi Reggie,> is that all the documentation for such a powerful tweak tool in lilyPond?Yes, unfortunately.And, to be accurate, it’s not "in" Lilypond — it’s a separate library.> How do new users learn this tool and all its possibilites?I learned by looking at the examples, trial and error, and asking Jan-Peter (the author) every now and then.  =)Cheers,Kieren.Kieren MacMillan, composer‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___
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Re: Introducing Hacklily, another online LilyPond editor

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I tried hacklily on Linux Fedora, not extensively, but it worked.Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Introducing Hacklily, another online LilyPond editorVan: Blöchl Bernhard Aan: lilypond-user@gnu.orgCc: Actually tried https://www.hacklily.org on linux.The only action is a message in the right window  "Could not connect to server ..."Has anybody successfully tried  hackily on linux? If not, please send me a message so I can put that thread on my spam list. Does it work on Windows? May be it's such a Mac thingy only working on that platform contradicting the spirit of open source?RegardsPS: The ingredients Docker, Node, Yarn, Qt5, qmake are available and running on linux.Am 08.01.2018 12:23, schrieb Blöchl Bernhard:> I am completely confused.> > Hackily did not impress me, but due to this "not Windows" discussion I > opened> https://github.com/hacklily/hacklily> and read> "... It consists of a frontend Lilypond editor using monaco (the> editor that powers vscode) and a backend Lilypond renderer. ..."> monaco is a visual script editor. Visual script is a Microsoft> language and available for the Mac, there is a link> https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux, never tried it.> monaco looks interesting, downloaded with> npm install monaco-editor@0.10.1> npm is the package manager for _javascript_ and the world’s largest> software registry. _javascript_ is alanguage I am interested and ahe one> preferece (beside some others).> If I find some time I may check the code for curiosity.> > To say it diplomatically, I do not have any problem with "an OS that> is not Windows" and do not say to appreciate this statement. But> beside strong liking of other OS, is there a technical reason for this> and which?> > Regards> > > Am 08.01.2018 10:34, schrieb Thomas Morley:>> 2018-01-08 6:31 GMT+01:00 Hugh S. Myers :>>> 'OS that is not Windows'…so you are saying to hell with 7 out of 10 >>> users?>>> Well, that's one way to cut down on all that annoying customer noise!>>> >>> --hsm>>> p.s. I write multi-platform modules for CPAN and yes it is a great >>> deal of>>> extra work but it is pretty much 'the right thing to do'…>> >> >> >> Let me quote a little more from https://github.com/hacklily/hacklily >> README>> >> ">> [...]>> Running locally>> >> Dependencies>> >> You need:>> >> Node -- tested with Node 7, earlier versions may or may not also work>> Yarn>> Qt 5 -- with qmake in your path (installing using the version from>> Qt's website is recommended on macOS)>> Docker>> an OS that is not Windows (if you make it work, please contribute your >> fix!)>> [...]>> ">> >> Sounds a little different, doesn't it?>> >> >> >> -Harm>> >> ___>> lilypond-user mailing list>> lilypond-user@gnu.org>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user> > > ___> lilypond-user mailing list> lilypond-user@gnu.org> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___
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Fw: midi volume single note

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Fw: Lilypond document reformatting script?

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Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?Van: m.tarensk...@zonnet.nlAan: Devon LePage Cc: Maybe an alternative option is to write a python script to manipulate the musicxml code, befóre feeding it to musicxml2ly?After that such code might be useful to improve musicxml2ly in the future?Just a thought.Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?Van: Devon LePage Aan: Urs Liska ,lilypond-user@gnu.orgCc: Rémy—Whenever I use musicxml2ly on a MusicXML file generated by Smart Score X2, I get LilyPond code that looks something like this:{    a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4    g2 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8    b8 \times 2/3 {        a8 b8 c8    }}I would like to create a Python script that would reformat the code to look like this:{    a4 b4 c4 d4 |    e4 f4 g2 |    g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 \times 2/3 { a8 b8 c8 } |}Please see my response to Urs for more information and more examples of “messy” code generated by musicxml2ly.-Devon.On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:20 AM Devon LePage  wrote:Urs—Here are 2 gists that contain “messy" excerpts from a MusicXML file:https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/7b6b373bd4a16aac92eae68f7534113ehttps://gist.github.com/devonlepage/6c92575e38f3e6e2bd78d07b35c6059cThese are from a transcription of a John Coltrane performance, unrelated to my main project. When I use musicxml2ly on any MusicXML files created in Smart Score X2, I have similar issues. As you can see:—there is not a bar-check after every measure—bar-checks occur infrequently and in more-or-less random locations within the document (in the full document, they occur at bars 62, 65, and 68, but then not another until bar 105!)—sometimes bar-checks appear as “\barNumberCheck” followed by the expected bar number, but these checks also seem to occur at random—the first notes of a measure do not reliably appear at the beginning of a line of code—tuplets are always spaced across 3 lines—inconsistent whitespace around braces, especially tuplets (look at the final one in the 2nd gist)-Devon.On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:20 AM Urs Liska  wrote:



Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon
  LePage:


  I’m currently working on a project that involves
importing a lot of music into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before
this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed in Smart Score X2, if that
is relevant.)


Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy
  and difficult to read. I'd like to reformat these files so
  that there’s only one measure on each indented line.


Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time,
  so I’ve been trying to create a python script that uses the
  ly.lex package to do this. Has anyone already done this? I
  couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it myself. But after
  four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I might
  be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too
  many moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring
  out how to add a newline in the middle of a small lilypond
  document. I’m also unsure how to incorporate tuplets into the
  determination of a measure.


I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list
  who might be able to help me out? (Another dream would be to
  have a function that adds a second newline after every group
  of N-measures.)


At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the
  right direction: what do I need to read/understand to figure
  this out? How would one go about doing this?
  


I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every
measure. So you can simply use *these* to identify possible line
breaks, without actually going down the road of analyzing the
content.

But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so
I don't see your problem. Could you please share some of that
"messy" LilyPond code?

Urs


  


Thanks,
-Devon.
  
  
  
  
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Re: OOoLilyPond

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Shouldn't this go in a real bugreport/patchsuggestion somewhere, so we can expect a new OooLP some day? The latest release is quite old. Is someone maintaining it?MTVerzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: OOoLilyPondVan: Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl>Aan: Klaus Blum <benbigno...@gmx.de>Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.orgOn Thu, 29 Dec 2016, Klaus Blum wrote:> In the OooLilyPond macros, there is a section "LilyPond" containing a> function named "CallLilyPond()".> For composing the Windows command, there is a line that reads:>> --> sCommand = sCommand & " " & sBackendOpt & " -f png -dresolution=" &> iGraphicDPI & " OOoLilyPond.ly >OOoLilyPond.out 2>&1" (10)> -->> This line should be replaced by:>> --> sCommand = sCommand & " -dno-delete-intermediate-files --png " & sBackendOpt> & " -dresolution=" & iGraphicDPI & " OOoLilyPond.ly >OOoLilyPond.out 2>&1"> (10)> --Thanks for this info. I used OooLilyPond regularly with LibreOffice and LilyPond on Linux Fedora, until it stopped working with newer releases. This helped me to make it work again :-)(Fedora 25, LilyPond 2.19.53, LibreOffice 5.2.3.3)-- MT___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___
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Re: Long Compile time with version 2.19.44

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Re: Ask about the typesetting of Lilypond

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In my experience it's often better to wait with adding \break commands until the score is complete. Sometimes Lilypond automatically chooses better linebreak choices then.MT Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Ask about the typesetting of LilypondVan: bb Aan: lilypond-user@gnu.orgCc: 
  
  
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/line-breaking
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/line-breaking
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Am 22.05.2016 um 09:51 schrieb
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Hello :
   I am using Lilypond to make a music score.
   But I found there are many bars in one line, and it is not
  very  beautiful as the picture below shows. 
   Could I ask u how to define the number of bars of each line? 
  Thank you very much. 
  

  
  
  
  

   
  
  
  
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Re: Python 3, was Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.19.0

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How much python code are we talking about within the complete LilyPond project? The discussion until now seems to be a discussion about Python2/3 transitions in general. But maybe the situation isn't that bad. Many python syntax can be compatible with both Python2 and Python3 without much effort. There are in practice only a few things that are a bit harder. For example strings/unicode/binary datatypes. If it's only a limited amount of old code that requires some effort to make it compatible with both Py2 and Py3 than that might be worth considering. Writing new code using a common subset isn't that difficult. That's where the six library can help.MT Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Python 3, was Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.19.0Van: David Kastrup Aan: Werner LEMBERG Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.orgWerner LEMBERG  writes:>> So far we only have an offer for a hard and incompatible transition>> to Python3-only>> Actually, I dislike this.  Similar to you, I don't see a convincing> reason to not write python code that is compatible with both version 2> and version 3.Well, #!/usr/bin/guile can mean either Guile-1 and Guile-2 whereas#!/usr/bin/python is more or less guaranteed to mean Python-2 for quitea bit of time, even while there may be only Python-3 available at somepoint of time.So it does look like we are in for a hard change with regard todistributed LilyPond versions anyway.  However, the configure processvery well could substitute #!@TARGET_PYTHON@ (most installed scripts) aswell as #!@PYTHON@ (the build scripts) with either a Python-2 or aPython-3 hashbang, depending on availability/configuration of eitheroption.So we definitely have a use case for supporting both: then a choice canbe made by scripts or user at configure time.-- David Kastrup___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___
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Re: Python 3, was Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.19.0

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Has anyone considered using the six library? Six has helped me a lot in my own Python projects to write code that is compatible with both python2 and python3. MT Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Python 3, was Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.19.0Van: David Kastrup Aan: Urs Liska Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.orgUrs Liska  writes:> Am 24.04.2016 um 09:56 schrieb David Kastrup:>> Noeck  writes:>>  So how do you define "the default">> As written before: What ships with the default installation.>> >> So python3 needs to be invoked using #!/usr/bin/python3 in the scripts>> (what happens when Python 4 gets created), and we need to either support>> Python2 and Python3 in parallel (including from GUB) _or_ make a hard>> switch where we change _every_ script to use Python3 _and_ change GUB>> from one version to the next.>> >> _And_ Wols insists that he does _not_ want to use a common subset of>> Python2 and Python3 even temporarily but do this right away using>> Python3-only features.>> >> Now having a separate prescribed #!/usr/bin/python3 shebang may seem to>> make testing half-way reliable.  But in reality, the LilyPond code base>> does not contain #!/usr/bin/python to any sizable degree (there is a>> single script which might be an oversight) but instead #!@TARGET_PYTHON@>> so again, there does not seem to be much of an alternative for an>> all-or-nothing approach, and trying to mix this with making use of new>> language features at the same time seems like a logistic nightmare.>> >> OK, but what happens when we face the situation that some distros have> #!/usr/bin/python to Python 2 and other to Python 3?> This is something we can't control at all, so at latest *then* we'd be> in that situation, with the difference that *now* we have at least a> chance to control the transition.>> I think this is about what Federico meant with this Guile 1.8/2> comparison - he didn't mean to say that we are in that situation *now*> but that we might run into it when the decisions of the distros are taken.Our scripts run with either Guile-1.8 or Guile-2.0 as far as I can tell.Which is sort-of a soft transition.  It's just core LilyPond which hasnot yet been ported over to the Guile-2 kernel and linkable libraries.But we have statements here to the effect that those interested in theporting are not interested in using a common subset for the Python3effort (which we won't likely be able to put off forever).  I ampointing out the consequences of such an approach.  It will cause awhole lot of work and fallout, and it's not at all clear to me that thebulk of those consequences will rest on the shoulders of those who wantto have it done in that manner.And I haven't seen _any_ compelling argument yet _why_ there is nouseful common ground between Python2 and Python3 that could do the jobwithout major rewrites of the current code base.-- David Kastrup___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___
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Re: How to get swing feel from dotted notation?

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Re: How do we specify the midi instrument sine wave in Lilypond

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Lilypond supports the 128 instruments that are specified by the General Midi version 1 ( GM1) standard. Sinewave is not included in that list. But use for example "flute" as instrument in your Lilypond source, and then let your soundsource replace the corresponding programchange number with a sinewave. P.S. I have always wanted to be able to select Midi Programs by number instead of by name in Lilypond. Not every soundsource (softsynth, soundfont, hardware synth) has sounds organized as GM standard instruments. Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: How do we specify the midi instrument sine wave in LilypondVan: Salil Kashyap Aan: lilypond-user@gnu.orgCc: Hello,Does anybody have an idea as to how can we specify the midi instrument--sine wave-- in Lilypond?Looking forward to hearing from someone.Sincerely,Salil___lilypond-user mailing listlilypond-user@gnu.orghttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user___
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