Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, David Kastrup wrote: What is wrong with specifying the paper size you want in the \paper block? More often than not, the global staff size and manual tweaks are set to achieve a certain page layout. If LilyPond changed its behavior on different computers, stuff would stop working without the user having a clue that this was not intended output. Yes, this is a good reason why Lilypond does not respect LC_PAPER If - for whatever strange reason - you always want US-letter papersize: On Linux you can put an alias in your .bashrc file alias lilypond='lilypond -dpapersize=letter' After that, if you run lilypond from the commandline, you don't have to type that option manually everytime. But: Not recommended. -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, Pavel Roskin wrote: Quoting David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: What is wrong with specifying the paper size you want in the \paper block? I want to make the scores available to everybody. I want users across the world to be able to find the music, create the PDF and print it with no problems on the paper they have. I live in a a4 country. I always try to set the borders in my scores wide enough so that at least everything will be readable on both A4 and Letter pages, even though the score has been created and tested for a4 paper. QUESTION: This reminds of a question I have had for some time: I would like - for testing purposes - draw/print a box exactly around the page borders of my score. This way I want to be able to preview what a page would look like for example on a5 paper, or on iPad or Postcard dimensions, even if I print it on a4 paper. Can this be achieved with some lilypond/scheme magick ? -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Quoting David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: What is wrong with specifying the paper size you want in the \paper block? I want to make the scores available to everybody. I want users across the world to be able to find the music, create the PDF and print it with no problems on the paper they have. But they will have problems when their paper size is one you have not tested. Specifying \paper would make the choice for the users. Printers might ask for paper that is not readily available. Actually, Mutopia doesn't want \paper to be specified. Probably because they want scores to work (or not) consistently out of the box (which in this case means that the default favors the majority of the world rather than the U.S.A., as opposed to what LaTeX does). More often than not, the global staff size and manual tweaks are set to achieve a certain page layout. If LilyPond changed its behavior on different computers, stuff would stop working without the user having a clue that this was not intended output. Now that's a strong argument against LC_PAPER. I'm guilty of making such tweaks too. Of course it happens to some degree with major version changes as well. But it is rare that something _stops_ fitting due to spacing changes. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Felipe Castro fef...@gmail.com writes: I want to make the scores available to everybody. I want users across the world to be able to find the music, create the PDF and print it with no problems on the paper they have. Specifying \paper would make the choice for the users. Printers might ask for paper that is not readily available. Actually, Mutopia doesn't want \paper to be specified. If the printer has just letter size paper to print an A4 PDF-file, will not the PDF-reader be able to stretch it a little bit, so that the content will fit to the new size and aspect ratio? Usually the most annoying misfeature ever. More often than not, the global staff size and manual tweaks are set to achieve a certain page layout. If LilyPond changed its behavior on different computers, stuff would stop working without the user having a clue that this was not intended output. Now that's a strong argument against LC_PAPER. I'm guilty of making such tweaks too. And also, the good thing with those environment variables is that most users should be used to them. The bad thing is that most users don't know them. Personally, I think it would be reasonable if LilyPond editors like Frescobaldi or Emacs, when asked to insert a basic document template, would do so with a paper setting corresponding to the current locale/environment/whatever. But LilyPond itself should behave the same with the same input. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
On 30 Aug 2012, at 08:55, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: I always try to set the borders in my scores wide enough so that at least everything will be readable on both A4 and Letter pages, even though the score has been created and tested for a4 paper. QUESTION: This reminds of a question I have had for some time: I would like - for testing purposes - draw/print a box exactly around the page borders of my score. This way I want to be able to preview what a page would look like for example on a5 paper, or on iPad or Postcard dimensions, even if I print it on a4 paper. Can this be achieved with some lilypond/scheme magick ? Perhaps an option where you specify both paper sizes, and music is drawn within the smallest rectangle of them. Hans ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:19:48 +0200 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Hello! I have noticed that Lilypond 2.16.0 uses A4 paper size even if the locale is set to en_US.utf8. I can force the letter output by using -dpaper-size=\letter\ but that seems inelegant. Is there any way to make Lilypond default to letter pages without adding anything to the command line? I used strace and didn't see Lilypond open any file in the home directory, such as ~/.lilypondrc or something. Should not Lilypond respect the LC_PAPER setting from the locale? I don't think that LilyPond should produce different output on different systems for whatever reason. Doesn't TeX respect LC_PAPER? I can understand that Lilypond should not look at any local settings to interpret the input, as the input is Lilypond-specific. But I don't see why Lilypond should ignore local setting for the output. Paper is paper, whether it's used for text or music. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:19:48 +0200 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Hello! I have noticed that Lilypond 2.16.0 uses A4 paper size even if the locale is set to en_US.utf8. I can force the letter output by using -dpaper-size=\letter\ but that seems inelegant. Is there any way to make Lilypond default to letter pages without adding anything to the command line? I used strace and didn't see Lilypond open any file in the home directory, such as ~/.lilypondrc or something. Should not Lilypond respect the LC_PAPER setting from the locale? I don't think that LilyPond should produce different output on different systems for whatever reason. Doesn't TeX respect LC_PAPER? No. TeX/LaTeX is letterpaper by default. You have to ask for a4paper in the LaTeX source (or, in plain TeX, meddle with \hsize, \vsize and stuff) explicitly to change the layout. While dvips has a default paper size setting, that does not concern the dvi file (and consequently the text layout), but merely the offsets for placing the page content on a particular printer. I can understand that Lilypond should not look at any local settings to interpret the input, as the input is Lilypond-specific. But I don't see why Lilypond should ignore local setting for the output. Paper is paper, whether it's used for text or music. If you are asking for LilyPond to behave like TeX/LaTeX, the result is exactly _not_ catering to LC_PAPER. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Quoting David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Doesn't TeX respect LC_PAPER? No. TeX/LaTeX is letterpaper by default. You have to ask for a4paper in the LaTeX source (or, in plain TeX, meddle with \hsize, \vsize and stuff) explicitly to change the layout. While dvips has a default paper size setting, that does not concern the dvi file (and consequently the text layout), but merely the offsets for placing the page content on a particular printer. I can understand that Lilypond should not look at any local settings to interpret the input, as the input is Lilypond-specific. But I don't see why Lilypond should ignore local setting for the output. Paper is paper, whether it's used for text or music. If you are asking for LilyPond to behave like TeX/LaTeX, the result is exactly _not_ catering to LC_PAPER. Oh well, it looks like LC_PAPER is not getting as much respect from typesetting software as I thought. I guess I'll have to readjust my taste and write a wrapper around Lilypond. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Quoting David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Doesn't TeX respect LC_PAPER? No. TeX/LaTeX is letterpaper by default. You have to ask for a4paper in the LaTeX source (or, in plain TeX, meddle with \hsize, \vsize and stuff) explicitly to change the layout. While dvips has a default paper size setting, that does not concern the dvi file (and consequently the text layout), but merely the offsets for placing the page content on a particular printer. I can understand that Lilypond should not look at any local settings to interpret the input, as the input is Lilypond-specific. But I don't see why Lilypond should ignore local setting for the output. Paper is paper, whether it's used for text or music. If you are asking for LilyPond to behave like TeX/LaTeX, the result is exactly _not_ catering to LC_PAPER. Oh well, it looks like LC_PAPER is not getting as much respect from typesetting software as I thought. I guess I'll have to readjust my taste and write a wrapper around Lilypond. What is wrong with specifying the paper size you want in the \paper block? More often than not, the global staff size and manual tweaks are set to achieve a certain page layout. If LilyPond changed its behavior on different computers, stuff would stop working without the user having a clue that this was not intended output. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Quoting David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: What is wrong with specifying the paper size you want in the \paper block? I want to make the scores available to everybody. I want users across the world to be able to find the music, create the PDF and print it with no problems on the paper they have. Specifying \paper would make the choice for the users. Printers might ask for paper that is not readily available. Actually, Mutopia doesn't want \paper to be specified. More often than not, the global staff size and manual tweaks are set to achieve a certain page layout. If LilyPond changed its behavior on different computers, stuff would stop working without the user having a clue that this was not intended output. Now that's a strong argument against LC_PAPER. I'm guilty of making such tweaks too. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
LC_PAPER and default paper size
Hello! I have noticed that Lilypond 2.16.0 uses A4 paper size even if the locale is set to en_US.utf8. I can force the letter output by using -dpaper-size=\letter\ but that seems inelegant. Is there any way to make Lilypond default to letter pages without adding anything to the command line? I used strace and didn't see Lilypond open any file in the home directory, such as ~/.lilypondrc or something. Should not Lilypond respect the LC_PAPER setting from the locale? -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LC_PAPER and default paper size
Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: Hello! I have noticed that Lilypond 2.16.0 uses A4 paper size even if the locale is set to en_US.utf8. I can force the letter output by using -dpaper-size=\letter\ but that seems inelegant. Is there any way to make Lilypond default to letter pages without adding anything to the command line? I used strace and didn't see Lilypond open any file in the home directory, such as ~/.lilypondrc or something. Should not Lilypond respect the LC_PAPER setting from the locale? I don't think that LilyPond should produce different output on different systems for whatever reason. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
